[02:28] <brianherman_home> How do I report a bug if the bug system crashed
[02:31] <txwikinger> brianherman_home: bugs.launchpad.net or bugs.kde.org
[02:36] <brianherman_home> I can see it on the right hand side
[02:36] <brianherman_home> cant
[02:37] <brianherman_home> my bad
[02:37] <brianherman_home> i was on the wrong page
[02:38] <brianherman_home> is kubuntu-7 the right one
[03:35]  * ScottK waves from home.
[03:35] <maco> ScottK: welcome back to the DC-ish area!
[03:35] <ScottK> Thanks.
[03:35]  * claydoh waves back
[03:37] <imbrandon> ello ScottK 
[04:18] <ScottK> It would be nice if anyone could offer up any distro specific stuff we have that Debian doesn't in the comments to this post: http://pusling.com/blog/?p=163
[04:22] <imbrandon> ScottK: added, but it says something about moderation
[04:22] <imbrandon> dunno if that is your blog or not
[04:22] <ScottK> No, it's not.
[04:22] <ScottK> They guy is one of the ldead Debian KDE guys.
[04:23] <ScottK> They/the
[04:23] <ScottK> txwikinger: Did you file a bug about the lernid thing?
[04:23] <ScottK> What you've got there is enough to make it reasonably tractable to fix.
[04:23] <txwikinger> ScottK: no not yet
[04:23] <ScottK> OK.
[04:23] <txwikinger> I try to fix it
[04:23] <ScottK> Even better.
[04:24] <txwikinger> I don't know why it uses gnome-keyring
[04:25] <txwikinger> it should use kwallet when on KDE
[04:25] <txwikinger> but then.. I don't think it does not even need it
[10:14] <jussi> ScottK: when you login again, could you remind me of the name of the email app you were recommending to me?
[10:26] <apachelogger> jussi: mutt? ^^
[10:26] <jussi> apachelogger: no, for android ;)
[10:26] <apachelogger> mutt :P
[10:26] <jussi> lol
[10:27]  * apachelogger notes that there is no good email app for android he knows of
[10:27] <apachelogger> quite frankly it does not suprise me after the how to not do development for android talk last week
[10:27] <apachelogger> every android dev does work like that..
[10:27]  * apachelogger better stops before he goes into emergency shutdown again ^^
[10:28] <AlexzAK> Hi everybody
[10:30] <jussi> apachelogger: lol
[10:30] <jussi> apachelogger: ScottK was telling me about one he quite liked, and I just forgot the name
[10:31] <apachelogger> aloha AlexzAK
[10:31] <apachelogger> jussi: well, hence my assumption that it must have been mutt for android :P
[10:31] <apachelogger> only mutt is likeable
[10:31] <apachelogger> everything else is barable
[10:31] <jussi> lol
[10:33] <AlexzAK> I want to try being kubuntu developer... Can anyone help me with it?
[10:33] <AlexzAK> Can you give me some small task to do? 
[10:33] <jussi> Im off in any case.
[10:34] <jussi> AlexzAK: just hang out, Im sure apachelogger or someone will make you a minion and give you minion tasks :D
[10:34] <AlexzAK> jussi: Sounds good :)
[10:34] <apachelogger> omg!!!
[10:34] <apachelogger> omg with the powers of two!!! no danimo!!!
[10:35] <apachelogger> and my qt creator is crashing
[10:36] <apachelogger> AlexzAK: do you have enough time to do "research"?
[10:38] <AlexzAK> apachelogger: What kind of "research"?
[10:38] <apachelogger> finding out how many different versions there are of bug 554514
[10:39] <apachelogger> by versions I mean, possible causes
[10:39] <apachelogger> because from the comments I would say there are at least 3 (too slow machine, broken database, slow startup because of database recovery after incomplete shutdown)
[10:39] <apachelogger> that said
[10:40] <apachelogger> AlexzAK: I think it might help a bit if you'd tell us what exactly youd be interested to do :)
[10:40] <apachelogger> I would very much recommend to "scratch an own itch" as they as
[10:40] <apachelogger> do something about something that annoys you, or that you want to have...
[10:40] <jussi> Im still here and +1 to that suggestion
[10:41] <jussi> but Im going :D
[10:42]  * apachelogger is wondering how many times jussi tries to go off and winds up back here per day ^^
[10:43] <jussi> apachelogger: I came back because I had no idea how much money was in my bank account and I needed to check :D
[10:43] <apachelogger> ^^
[10:43] <apachelogger> oh
[10:43] <apachelogger> jussi: time to get rid of the uds chans
[10:43] <jussi> apachelogger: I need to bother tsimpson about that. 
[10:43] <jussi> but you are correct
[10:44] <apachelogger> well, my quassel has thrown them away already
[10:44]  * apachelogger pets quassel and continues wondering why his qt creator crashses
[10:45] <AlexzAK> apachelogger: I dont know what i want to do... "scratch an own itch" - is good... i have to think about it... 
[10:45] <AlexzAK> apachelogger:  I'll try to find out how many different versions there are of bug 554514
[10:47] <apachelogger> aha!
[10:47] <apachelogger> it's all kde's fault
[10:47] <apachelogger> somehow qt creator runs into a segfault when loading the icon cache for the config dialog
[10:47] <apachelogger> very weird
[11:31] <AlexzAK> apachelogger: I'am can't reproduce bug 554514 :( 
[11:31] <AlexzAK> btw, i have kmail configs created on 9.04 and upgraded to 10.04 :(
[11:32] <AlexzAK> apachelogger: and i'am using it as gnome user...
[11:33] <apachelogger> see, that is the beauty of this bug, I cant reproduce it either
[11:33] <apachelogger> well, actually I can if I logout of a session with a billion apps
[11:33] <apachelogger> then for some reason akonadi might not quit properly and leave the database dirty, hence causing recovery on next login, which then will trigger errors
[11:34]  * apachelogger is tempted to close that report really
[11:34] <apachelogger> it is not a problem it is a symptom of a problem
[11:34] <apachelogger> actually, various problems :(
[11:35] <AlexzAK> apachelogger: I'll try to break my akonadi db.... :) (Of course with backups)
[11:36] <apachelogger> Sput: say you have to store standard cpp objects in a vector, would you concur that storing pointers to the objects is the best way to do it?
[11:36] <Sput> apachelogger: yes, though QList<> internally does that already
[11:36] <Sput> afaik
[11:37]  * apachelogger notes that one needs a copy constructor to push to QList ;)
[11:37] <apachelogger> noticed that yesterday
[11:37] <apachelogger> anyhow, I am working on a course exercise right now
[11:37] <Sput> apachelogger: moving around pointers is also more efficient than copying objects, obviously
[11:37] <apachelogger> AlexzAK: I usually forget backups so I end up breaking useful data ;)
[11:37] <Sput> apachelogger: but yeah, QList does that automagically
[11:38] <apachelogger> yeah
[11:39] <Sput> (I think copying a QList<T> will try to copy the objects though, copying a QList<T*> won't)
[11:40] <apachelogger> ah, that would make sense
[11:41] <apachelogger> ahhh
[11:41] <apachelogger> q_foreach might be why I needed a cctor
[11:41] <apachelogger> IIRC it "simulates" constness by copying the objects first
[11:42] <Sput> apachelogger: yes, that's why you use const refs instead
[11:42] <Sput> foreach(const QVariant &v, myList) { }
[11:42] <apachelogger> ahhh
[11:43] <apachelogger> didnt know that works ^^
[11:43] <Sput> that avoids the copy and is moar efficient if you don't want to modify the elements
[11:43] <Sput> also, sometimes iterators are the better alternative :)
[11:43] <Sput> you should listen to Thiago moar often!
[11:46] <apachelogger> groovy
[11:46] <apachelogger> \o/
[11:46]  * apachelogger hugs Sput
[11:46]  * Sput feels hugged
[11:51] <Quintasan|Szel> hey
[11:52] <Quintasan|Szel> can anyone tell me if there was some sort of upgrade for newtwok manager?
[11:52] <Quintasan|Szel> I can't connect to my home network anymore :/
[11:55] <AlexzAK> apachelogger: I've found bug 572506... I think It is dublicate to Bug #554514.... I marked em as duplicate. Am i doing right?
[11:56] <apachelogger> unlikely
[11:57] <apachelogger> AlexzAK: as I said, the resources agent not found error is rather a symptom, one of the causes can be a crashing akonadi
[11:57] <apachelogger> Quintasan|Szel: check your dpkg.log :P
[11:58] <Quintasan|Szel> hngh I have IP conflicts on DHCP based nedtwork
[11:58] <Quintasan|Szel> network*
[11:59] <apachelogger> must be one crappy dhcp then :P
[12:08] <Quintasan|Szel> hmm
[13:32]  * apachelogger finds it awfully silent today
[13:38] <apachelogger> hm
[13:38] <apachelogger> Nightrose: did you happen to see my passport?
[13:38] <Nightrose> apachelogger: was i supposed to be looking for it? :D
[13:38] <apachelogger> nah, just thought maybe you saw it
[13:39]  * apachelogger cant find it *blush*
[13:41] <Nightrose> heh not good
[13:41] <apachelogger> as if one needed one when going to ch :P
[13:42] <apachelogger> bed linen \o/
[13:42] <apachelogger> CHF \o/
[13:42] <apachelogger> travelling \o/
[13:42] <apachelogger> ah!
[13:43] <apachelogger> I think I know where my passport is
[13:43] <apachelogger> ha!
[13:43] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I can attend the sprint \o/
[13:43]  * apachelogger has a valid passport
[13:44] <Nightrose> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[13:44] <apachelogger> I couldnt go to the US though ^^
[13:44]  * Nightrose can fortunately
[13:44] <Nightrose> and will
[13:44] <Nightrose> wohoooo
[13:44] <apachelogger> \o/
[13:44] <apachelogger> Nightrose: that thiny in portland, wasn't it?
[13:44] <Nightrose> jep jep
[13:44] <apachelogger> \o/
[13:45] <apachelogger> maybe you meet linus, then you can complain about all the brokenness
[13:45] <Nightrose> haha
[13:45] <Nightrose> apachelogger: !
[13:45] <apachelogger> oh
[13:45] <apachelogger> !!
[13:45] <Nightrose> we will see us sooon in randa!!!
[13:45] <Nightrose> \o/
[13:45] <apachelogger> \o/
[13:46] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: So I'm thinking it might be best if you do the akonadi merge.
[13:46] <apachelogger> randa is at 1440 meter above sea level
[13:46] <apachelogger> that means super cold!
[13:46] <Nightrose> :/
[13:46]  * apachelogger packs winter clothing
[13:46] <Nightrose> nooooooooooooooooooo
[13:46] <Nightrose> i want sun
[13:46] <Nightrose> and sea and stuff
[13:46] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: did you have to scare my now Oo -.- :/
[13:46] <JontheEchidna> lol
[13:46] <apachelogger> Nightrose: well, then we should not go do sprinting in the mountains
[13:47] <Nightrose> true that
[13:47]  * apachelogger isnt much of a fan of mountains anyway
[13:48] <apachelogger> Nightrose: we could attract loads of southern european contributors to KDE and then have good reasons to sprint there
[13:48] <Nightrose> yes!
[13:48] <apachelogger> we shall discuss this at the sprint then
[13:49] <Nightrose> i heard greece needs more geardheads
[13:49] <apachelogger> h
[13:49] <Nightrose> -d
[13:49] <apachelogger> oh
[13:49] <apachelogger> greece neads more of everything
[13:49] <Nightrose> :D
[13:49] <apachelogger> but since germany bought greece, we could just ship the KDE devs off to the southern european colony
[13:50] <apachelogger> "Don't forget your walking shoes!"
[13:50] <apachelogger> now
[13:50] <apachelogger> I do not have walking shoes!
[13:50] <apachelogger> I have dancing shoes, I have biking shoes, I have ski shoes, I have skateboard shoes
[13:51] <apachelogger> but I do not have walking shoes -.-
[13:52] <apachelogger> Nightrose: do you know whether we are getting wasted on arrival day?
[13:52] <Nightrose> no idea
[13:52] <Nightrose> i guess we'll find out
[13:52] <apachelogger> well, if we do not, I would stay longer in zurich :P
[13:52] <Nightrose> no way!
[13:54] <apachelogger> get wasted there, then sleep in the train, then hack all night, then be all karp0tt the first day of sprint and come up with world changing idea so that I can go home on the second day
[13:55] <Nightrose> hmmmmm let me think about it
[13:55] <Nightrose> no!
[13:55] <apachelogger> meh!
[13:56] <apachelogger> Nightrose: when are you, where are you, why are you arriving?
[13:56] <apachelogger> and with what or whom or something
[13:56] <Nightrose> no idea - depends on the mightly fregl
[13:57] <apachelogger> and that brings me to the question why fregl is not in here!
[13:57] <apachelogger> that is no way to treat one's downstream -.-
[13:57] <Quintasan> \o
[13:57] <apachelogger> o/
[13:57] <Nightrose> he's traveling 
[13:58] <apachelogger> and that is a reason for not lurking?
[14:00] <Nightrose> hmmm possibly
[14:00] <Nightrose> idunno
[14:00] <apachelogger> so he is not even using quassel!
[14:01] <apachelogger> omg!
[14:01] <apachelogger> horrible
[14:02] <Nightrose> afaik he is
[14:03] <apachelogger> that is even more horrible
[14:03] <Nightrose> you're not exactly making sense ;-P
[14:03] <Nightrose> *hug*
[14:03] <apachelogger> having quassel and not being online!
[14:03] <apachelogger> anyhow
[14:03]  * Nightrose goes and prepares foodish stuff
[14:03] <apachelogger> is http://community.kde.org/ new or something?
[14:03] <Nightrose> semi new
[14:03] <apachelogger> it doesnt seem to know my openid
[14:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: launchpad openid?
[14:05] <apachelogger> no, I meant that literally
[14:05] <apachelogger> my myopenid ^^
[14:06] <shadeslayer> :P
[14:09] <apachelogger> ahhh
[14:09] <apachelogger> I was using my google account
[14:10] <apachelogger> Nightrose: btw, the kde wikis should be hooked up with that ubuntu login service thingy
[14:10] <apachelogger> would be ubercool
[14:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: single sign on
[14:11] <apachelogger> thats what I said, isnt it :P
[14:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ubuntu login service thingy... hahaha
[14:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh btw can you give a talk about kubuntu sometime in august? 
[14:13] <shadeslayer> via skype
[14:13] <apachelogger> via skype? Oo
[14:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: or any other VoIP
[14:14] <shadeslayer> i know its very far off.. still..
[14:14] <apachelogger> ohhh
[14:15]  * apachelogger almost forgot about froscon's cfp
[14:15] <apachelogger> oh my
[14:15] <shadeslayer> kubotu: np
[14:15] <kubotu> shadeslayer_ is listening to "Back in Black" by AC/DC [Back in Black, 1994] [http://open.spotify.com/track/76O4RYvalfxxUb4omvoY2v] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/shadeslayer_ for more
[14:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: well, I suppose I can, but I find it very very very very odd
[14:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: why?
[14:16] <apachelogger> I could just as well write it down and post it as blog post :P
[14:16] <apachelogger> just like irc talks it takes away everything that makes a talk talkworthy
[14:16] <apachelogger> you could post a writen version and then do a Q&A, and it would be no different :(
[14:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hehe.. well ill be holding a meeting sort of thing,and ill be launching 2 socities,a LUG and a coding group
[14:18] <apachelogger> hm, I really need more background information on this, but generally, yes I could do a talk
[14:19] <Quintasan> kubotu: np
[14:19] <kubotu> Quintasan is listening to "SOMEONE ELSE" by Asumi Kana & Fujita Saki & Kitamura Eri -- see http://www.last.fm/user/Quintasan for more
[14:19] <Quintasan> oh
[14:19] <Quintasan> nice
[14:19]  * Quintasan hands apachelogger some cookies
[14:19] <Quintasan> neversfelde: late congrats
[14:19] <apachelogger> Nightrose: btw, I was thinking about proposing a super duper beginners talk for froscon ... stuff like, how to change a wallpaper, how to create a playlist, how to clip my pictures
[14:19] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: theres identi.ca support as well :)
[14:19] <Quintasan> kubotu: order cookies for neversfelde
[14:19]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to neversfelde.
[14:19] <apachelogger> it is the cookies
[14:19] <apachelogger> !
[14:19] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ha? how do I enable it? :D
[14:19] <apachelogger> \o/
[14:20] <neversfelde> Quintasan: thank you
[14:20] <shadeslayer> kubotu: identi.ca
[14:20] <shadeslayer> :P
[14:20] <Quintasan> kubotu: identi.ca
[14:20] <Quintasan> :S
[14:20] <apachelogger> kubotu: help identi.ca
[14:20] <kubotu> no help for topic identi.ca
[14:20] <apachelogger> omg
[14:20] <apachelogger> kubotu: help 
[14:20] <kubotu> help topics: 10 core modules: auth, basics, config, filters, httputil, irclog, remote, unicode, userdata, wordlist; 50 plugins: alias, autoop, autorejoin, bans, bar, botsnack, chanserv, debug, dns, eightball, excuse, factoids, googlefight, greet, hangman, host, identica, iplookup, karma, keywords, lastfm, modes, nickrecover, nickserv, note, q, quote, reaction, remind, ri, roshambo, rot, rss, salut, script, search,
[14:20] <kubotu> seen, shiritori, spotify, time, topic, translator, tumblr, twitter, uno, urban, usermodes, weather, wheeloffortune, wserver (help <topic> for more info)
[14:20] <apachelogger> kubotu: help identica
[14:20] <kubotu> identica status [nick] => show nick's (or your) status, use 'identica friends status [nick]' to also show the friends' timeline | identica dent [status] => updates your status on identi.ca | identica identify [username] [password] => ties your nick to your identi.ca username and password | identica actions [on|off] => enable/disable denting of actions (/me does ...)
[14:20] <apachelogger> ah
[14:20] <apachelogger> there we go
[14:21] <apachelogger> the identify should obviously be done in a query ;)
[14:21] <Quintasan> :D
[14:22] <shadeslayer> kubotu: identica status
[14:22] <kubotu> @neversfelde: he wants to check out the ' new ' features in !maverick :P (2 days, 22 hours, 20 minutes and 17 seconds ago via gwibber)
[14:22] <Quintasan> kubotu: identica status
[14:22] <kubotu> killing @apachelogger 's bot (1 minute and 46 seconds ago via rbot)
[14:22] <Quintasan> awesome
[14:22] <Quintasan> :3
[14:23] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: twitter support as well :)
[14:23] <Quintasan> I have my Twitter linked with Identi.ca
[14:23] <Quintasan> so no need for it :P
[14:23] <Quintasan> I'm also thinking about getting rid of Twitter
[14:28] <JontheEchidna> I can't figure out why pbuilder is failing to satisfy the build dependencies :S http://paste.ubuntu.com/434380/
[14:29] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: any idea how to post from twitter to identi.ca ?
[14:29] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: beats me :/
[14:30] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: universe vs. main?
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: this is a universe package I'm building
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> actually, a package not in ubuntu
[14:30] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that still requires you to have pbuilder configured to include universe :P
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> it should...
[14:30] <apachelogger> since libaqbanking29-dev is in universe that is my best guess
[14:31] <JontheEchidna> I can install libaqbanking29-dev just fine in the pbuilder
[14:31] <apachelogger> is it >= 4.2.4?
[14:32] <apachelogger> cause I only see 4.2.3 in lucid
[14:32] <JontheEchidna> should be in maverick: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libaqbanking/4.2.4-1
[14:32] <JontheEchidna> oh, is this a lucid pbuilder?
[14:33] <JontheEchidna> *facepalm*
[14:33] <apachelogger> ^^
[14:34] <shadeslayer> hehe
[14:38] <JontheEchidna> So it seems that somebody placed an XL UDS t-shirt into the Medium pile :/
[14:38] <shtylman> hahaha
[14:39]  * shadeslayer can only imagine the state of the medium pile
[14:39] <JontheEchidna> ^it was empty, except for that t-shirt, actually
[14:39] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[14:40] <JontheEchidna> oh well, I have the neat crew t-shirt
[15:00] <ryanakca> Hmmm... cmake is on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/MaverickKDEMerges but not merges.ubuntu.com ... I'm guessing that that means I'd have to manually merge the two?
[15:02] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I think they did that so you have to come again to uds-n
[15:03] <apachelogger> narcotic ninja
[15:03] <apachelogger> oh
[15:03] <apachelogger> nude ninja
[15:03] <apachelogger> ^^
[15:09] <AlexzAK> apachelogger: I have bug 554514 8-)
[15:11] <AlexzAK> apachelogger: Fresh kubuntu install; bootup; login; start "akonadi configuration"; have error
[15:12] <apachelogger> that would be the sloweness-cause then
[15:12] <apachelogger> lots of things to do at first start
[15:12] <apachelogger> so the timeout gets exceeded
[15:13] <AlexzAK> apachelogger: I dont think so
[15:13] <AlexzAK> apachelogger: but i need to check it out
[15:14] <apachelogger> AlexzAK: does the error dialog also say that the server is not registered at dbus?
[15:14] <AlexzAK> apachelogger: yes
[15:14]  * apachelogger finds the ordering of errors a bit stupid in the dialog
[15:14] <apachelogger> see
[15:14] <apachelogger> if the server is not registered to dbus
[15:14] <AlexzAK> i'll attach log in a few minutes
[15:14] <apachelogger> it either is dead or was just not registered at the time the check was done
[15:15] <apachelogger> those two cases however imply that no resource agents are found
[15:15] <apachelogger> so the unavailablility of akonadi server is really what causes the no resource agents
[15:16] <AlexzAK> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/Vdpjk1aN
[15:17] <apachelogger> ah
[15:17] <apachelogger> File content of '/home/testuser/.local/share/akonadi/akonadiserver.error':
[15:17] <apachelogger> Control process died, committing suicide!
[15:17] <apachelogger> that is the random-crash-cause
[15:17] <AlexzAK> apachelogger: my buggy kubuntu was idle around 30minues but still have thet problem
[15:18]  * apachelogger couldnt reproduce that at all
[15:18] <apachelogger> File content of '/home/testuser/.local/share/akonadi/akonadi_control.error':
[15:18] <apachelogger> D-Bus session bus went down - quitting
[15:18] <apachelogger> that however looks like dbus died
[15:18] <apachelogger> dbus died -> making the control pocess die -> implying death onto the server
[15:19] <apachelogger> AlexzAK: please attach that to the bug, it's a whole different issue it would seem
[15:19] <apachelogger> thanks :)
[15:19] <apachelogger> AlexzAK: maybe you could also attach the ~/.xsession-errors file
[15:21] <AlexzAK> apachelogger: Do you mean file this issue as a new bug report?
[15:22] <apachelogger> just ditch it in there
[15:22] <apachelogger> I'll need to divide it at some poine anyway
[15:22] <apachelogger> because that makes it 4 issues that lead up to the symptom :S
[15:23] <AlexzAK> http://pastebin.com/arVV4rCc
[15:25] <apachelogger> ryanakca: maybe it does not need merging?
[15:25] <apachelogger> ohm
[15:25] <apachelogger> AlexzAK: and that is on a completely new install?
[15:25] <AlexzAK> apachelogger: yes
[15:26] <AlexzAK> one reboot, and virtual box additions
[15:26] <apachelogger> looks like dbus was either not started at all or crashed not long after that
[15:26] <AlexzAK> apachelogger: Do you understeand anything? %)
[15:26] <AlexzAK> I have that virtual computer here
[15:27] <AlexzAK> What i should to do?
[15:27] <apachelogger> in line 16 kded (the background service app) tried to attach to various dbus interfaces and failed with an error i never saw before
[15:27] <apachelogger> and kded gets started pretty early in the startkde process (hence it is already at line 16 ;))
[15:27] <AlexzAK> Yes
[15:27] <apachelogger> now if you search that log for d-bus or dbus you will find a lot more of similar and not so similar results
[15:28] <apachelogger> all suggesting that no dbus daemon was running or it was rather broken
[15:28] <AlexzAK> This just mean "something wrong with D-Bus"...
[15:28] <AlexzAK> How can i chech it status?
[15:29] <apachelogger> AlexzAK: try a restart
[15:29] <apachelogger> if that does not change the situation then we'll have to digg a lot deeper
[15:30] <AlexzAK> apachelogger: dbus-daemon process running...
[15:30] <AlexzAK> two of them
[15:30] <AlexzAK> I'll do reboot...
[15:32] <Mamarok> folks, where are the KDE and Kubuntu shirts in that pic? -> http://www.flickr.com/photos/kwwii/4610334160/sizes/o/
[15:32] <Mamarok> only found Riddell so far
[15:33] <JontheEchidna> I'm sitting next to Riddell
[15:35] <Mamarok> JontheEchidna: not wearing a blue shirt or a Kubuntu logo :(
[15:35] <JontheEchidna> I did wear my blue "Sonic the Hedgehog" shirt the next day
[15:36] <JontheEchidna> I had crew duty that day, which was why I was wearing the yellow shirt
[15:37] <Mamarok> *sigh* there is a serious lack of Kubuntu evidence in that picture :(
[15:38] <JontheEchidna> We should petition for blue lanyards next time
[15:39] <Mamarok> and wear KDE or Kubuntu shirts, or at least having one ready for the group picture, else people will never even guess there are KDE people there
[15:39] <JontheEchidna> I see agateau in the very center of the picture
[15:39] <JontheEchidna> dantti's to the left of Riddell, and rbelem is behind dantti
[15:41] <Mamarok> and noone is recognizable as a KDE person :(
[15:46] <AlexzAK> apachelogger: Maybe you are right about slow machine... I have this problem again :)
[15:47] <AlexzAK> apachelogger: it is so good when bug can be reproduced :)
[15:47] <apachelogger> AlexzAK: yeah, just make sure you snapshot that virtual machine ^^
[15:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you did not get blue ones?
[15:48] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: nope
[15:48] <apachelogger> outrages
[15:48] <apachelogger> so you had to wear them orange thingies?
[15:48] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[15:48] <apachelogger> Oo
[15:48] <JontheEchidna> well, I suppose we didn't have to, but otherwise we wouldn't have had a nametag
[15:49] <apachelogger> you know what, next uds I will just make sure to attend myself and take kde ones with me
[15:50]  * apachelogger plays spot-the-scott
[15:58] <AlexzAK> apachelogger: It is seems "Akonadi Configuration" just douse not start akonadi server...
[15:59] <AlexzAK> apachelogger: It can be started by pressing "start" button on "Akonadi Server Configuration" tab
[15:59] <AlexzAK> :(
[16:05] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: Could you take a look at kmymoney in new queue? It wasn't autosynced from Debian (and it needed some changes to build anyways) so I did an initial merge and uploaded
[16:09] <ScottK> jussi: K-9 mail
[16:10] <ScottK> apachelogger: ^^^ is at least good enough I didn't return my phone over lack of email clients.
[16:10] <Mamarok> oh, btw, there is a release candidate for the new KMyMoney for KDE 4, any chance to have that soon in the PPA?
[16:10] <AlexzAK> apachelogger: I've just created one contact http://imagepaste.nullnetwork.net/viewimage.php?id=949
[16:12] <JontheEchidna> Mamarok: oh, really? I just uploaded whatever release came before that, it seems
[16:12] <JontheEchidna> to maverick, which is not exactly a ppa though
[16:13] <JontheEchidna> I think claydoh has been doing a KMyMoney ppa
[16:13] <Mamarok> not for the KDE4 version, sadly
[16:13] <Mamarok> unless I missed any news
[16:13] <Mamarok> they released the RC yesterday or today IIRC
[16:13] <JontheEchidna> https://edge.launchpad.net/~claydoh/+archive/kmymoney2-kde4
[16:13] <claydoh> JontheEchidna: Mamarok I do have it in my ppa, the rc 
[16:13] <ScottK> apachelogger: You live in an odd place for a person who is not a fan of mountains.
[16:14] <claydoh> except for lpia, for  some reason
[16:14] <Mamarok> claydoh: oh, then I need to upgrade ASAP, I really missed that
[16:14] <JontheEchidna> lpia support has been dropped, iirc
[16:14] <ScottK> lpia is dead.
[16:14] <Mamarok> ScottK: there are not that many mountains in his place, come to Switzerland if you want to see real high ones
[16:14] <claydoh> JontheEchidna: the failing to build is not to bad then :)
[16:14] <apachelogger> ScottK, jussi: ah k9 is indeed one of the better android clients
[16:14]  * ScottK is still deep in backscroll, but chatview FTW.
[16:15] <JontheEchidna> claydoh: I'm surprised soyuz is still dispatching lpia builds at this point, myself
[16:15] <ScottK> claydoh: Hardy is the only release that has a significant lpia user base.
[16:15] <ScottK> It just does for releases where lpia exists.
[16:15] <apachelogger> ScottK: in Graz the definition of mountain is, lets say, a bit off ;)
[16:15] <ScottK> apachelogger: Fair enough.
[16:15]  * claydoh has very meager packaging skilz anyway. only karmic spat out the error
[16:16] <apachelogger> ScottK: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grazer_Schloßberg
[16:16] <ScottK> lpia on karmic doesn't actually even work, so don't worry about it at all.
[16:16] <apachelogger> oh
[16:16] <apachelogger> well
[16:16] <apachelogger> it is 123 m
[16:16] <apachelogger> which of course the wikipedia artcile doesnt mention ;)
[16:16] <claydoh> ScottK: I haven't been worruing due to lack of complaints
[16:16] <Mamarok> claydoh: you don't have deb packages for it, don't you? WOuld be nice to have
[16:18] <claydoh> Mamarok: in my kmymoney ppa: https://edge.launchpad.net/~claydoh/+archive/kmymoney2-kde4
[16:18] <Mamarok> hm, it didn't prompt me for that, let's see...
[16:19] <apachelogger> ah
[16:19] <claydoh> well Karmic just finished building, literally minutes ago
[16:19]  * apachelogger just debugged inline linker madness -.-
[16:19] <Mamarok> nope, no kmymoney-dbg package in any repo
[16:19] <Mamarok> and I use Lucid
[16:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: does krazy actually complain about inline functions?
[16:19] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: dunno
[16:19] <Mamarok> typo, sorry, I ment debug package
[16:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: cause I think the codying style should forbid inline :P
[16:19]  * apachelogger is all for fobidding madness actually
[16:19] <apachelogger> and inline functions are as mad as it gets
[16:20] <apachelogger> or discourage the use
[16:20] <claydoh> Mamarok: no dbg package
[16:21] <Mamarok> hm, is there an IRC channel for KMyMoney?
[16:22] <claydoh> thoug I should rectify that, and also noticed that the rc is now compatible with the newer aqbanking stuff
[16:22] <Mamarok> it doesn't let me open an older file, talking about a bad passphrase
[16:22] <Mamarok> and I never even typed the passphrase yet
[16:22] <claydoh> Mamarok: mo, iirc. Mostly the user and devel mailing lists
[16:23] <claydoh> Mamarok: I kied there is a #kmymoney probably very idle :)
[16:24] <claydoh> the maine devs seem to be there though
[16:24] <Mamarok> =OK, I try erasing all the config files I have, let's se if that helps
[16:24] <claydoh> er main 
[16:25] <JontheEchidna> Ha, I thought I'd never see they day when the Doctor ran over old people in a milk van.
[16:25] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Instead of changing kde4 to kde in the doc install path you can change it to kde* and it will work on both Debian and Ubuntu.  Please fix that in the Debian packaging svn.  If you don't have access, please let me know and we'll get that fixed.
[16:26] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: ok
[16:26] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Accepted.
[16:26] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: In the future, would it still be worth it to do a merge over boost and the package description?
[16:26] <JontheEchidna> thanks
[16:27] <ScottK> If boost is the only thing, it's not worth keeping.  I'd suggest discussing with Debian a wording that would work in both distros so we can sync.
[16:27] <Mamarok> hm, no way to open the old file :(
[16:27] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: imo mentioning squeeze should be left to the debian/changelog entry that introduced the transitional package
[16:29] <AlexzAK> apachelogger: are you there?
[16:29] <apachelogger> not really, whats up?
[16:30] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I suspect you are correct, but doing it the other way is not wrong, so it's a question of discussion with Debian and coming to a common understanding.
[16:30] <AlexzAK> i think if you start 'kontact' with stopped akonadi you get error
[16:30] <apachelogger> well yeah, kontact includes kaddressbook and kaddressbook does not work without akonadi at all
[16:31] <apachelogger> also kmail indirectly uses kaddressbook for contact lookups
[16:31] <AlexzAK> apachelogger: i have buggy version on virtual pc and dont know what to do :(
[16:32] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: The reason kmymoney didn't get sync'ed is sync-source and sync-source-new are two different things and I don't think anyone ran sync-source-new yet.
[16:32] <AlexzAK> apachelogger: Akonadi MUST start with login?
[16:33] <AlexzAK> apachelogger: or by demand?
[16:33] <ScottK> Currently we start on demand which is a better design,  but it often takes too long.
[17:11] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: you know those conflicts/replaces issues you were talking about at UDS?
[17:12] <ScottK> Vaguely?
[17:12] <JontheEchidna> Where the version wasn't bumped high enough for the backported packages from the previous distro release
[17:12] <ScottK> Ah, yes
[17:12] <JontheEchidna> I believe those all came about during merges with Debian
[17:12] <JontheEchidna> before we upgrade to the beta of KDE 4.next
[17:13] <yuriy> hi everyone
[17:13] <yuriy> are specs from UDS up?
[17:13] <JontheEchidna> yuriy: mostly, I think: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuMaverickSpecs
[17:13] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Perhaps, but they were going to be wrong either way as people used the current version as the baseline for conflicts/replaces and then later 4.3.3 -> 4.3.5 got done
[17:14] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: Agreed. This presents an interesting problem, though. We can't exactly bump it up to 4.4.60 now since it's not in the archive, and < 4.4.3 will cause those upgrade issues
[17:15] <JontheEchidna> Perhaps we should bump to < 4.4.3 for now, making comments in debian/control to revisit this during beta packaging?
[17:16] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I'd hold off on merging such changes and do them with the new release.
[17:16] <JontheEchidna> In the case of kde4libs that would be most of the merge itself. (The huge split)
[17:17] <ScottK> OK, then I'd just defer on that one.
[17:17] <JontheEchidna> Defer the kde4libs merge to beta?
[17:17] <JontheEchidna> (KDE beta)
[17:17] <ScottK> Yes.
[17:17] <ScottK> It's not far off.
[17:17] <JontheEchidna> Ok, I'll make a note on the wiki
[17:18] <ScottK> Would you also please note I want to do workspace?
[17:18] <ScottK> It's sort of semi-merged at the moment and I want to finish it carefully.
[17:18] <JontheEchidna> ok
[17:19] <ScottK> Thanks.
[17:19] <JontheEchidna> Do you happen to know who does dpkg merges? It would be nice if that could get in soon so that I can upload my pkg-kde-tools merge
[17:21] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: cjwatson.  He said he'd have it done soon after the bzr Debian imports were finished.
[17:21] <JontheEchidna> Nice
[17:21] <ScottK> finished/fixed
[17:21] <ScottK> They've been blocked for < 1 week due to breakage in the Debian archive.
[17:21] <JontheEchidna> It looks like we'll actually have infastructure to support the use of symbols files with the new pkg-kde-tools
[17:22] <ScottK> Nice.
[17:23] <ScottK> BTW, if it does make sense to go ahead and move stuff between files, I don't mind a bit uploading with << 4.4.60 now since anyone upgrading to Maverick in the near term ought to be able to deal with any resulting issues.
[17:26] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Did you get a chance to look at the Jockey desktop file issue?
[17:26] <yuriy> rekonq by default huh
[17:26] <ScottK> Yep.
[17:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: its rekonq not Rekonq...
[17:27] <shadeslayer> just a minor change in the wiki..
[17:27] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: I'll do that right now
[17:27] <ScottK> shadeslayer: It's a wiki.  
[17:27] <ScottK> (i.e. fix it)
[17:27] <shadeslayer> ScottK: doing that right now :)
[17:27] <yuriy> well. i hope QtWebkit's memory consumption improves soon
[17:28] <shadeslayer> unfourtunately i have to change my LP details a bit first to login 
[17:28] <ScottK> Excellent.
[17:28] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: Yep, that's the problem right here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/jockey/ubuntu/annotate/head:/kde/jockey-kde.desktop.in
[17:28] <JontheEchidna> Remove the SubstituteUID bit in there and everything'll work
[17:28] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I think we should SRU that.
[17:29] <ScottK> I'll file a bug.
[17:29] <JontheEchidna> ok
[17:32] <shadeslayer> ScottK: done
[17:33] <ScottK> Great.
[17:35] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Bug #581379
[17:39] <shadeslayer> ryanakca: ping
[17:39] <ryanakca> pong
[17:40] <shadeslayer> ryanakca: what is kubuntu.org coded in?
[17:40] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: debdiff attatched. Do I need ubuntu-sru approval before or after the upload to -proposed?
[17:40] <ryanakca> We use Drupal... The theme is PHP + CSS
[17:40] <ryanakca> ScottK: Did you have any luck in cornering lamont re: the website?
[17:41] <shadeslayer> ryanakca: ok,ill be learning PHP in June and July... so i might be able to come up with something to add to the site :)
[17:41] <shadeslayer> i guess ill have to learn drupal too
[17:41] <ScottK> ryanakca: I didn't corner lamont, but I did talk to jpds.  Unfortunately I didn't hear back.
[17:42] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Upload and ubuntu-sru will review in the queue.
[17:42] <shadeslayer> ryanakca: oh and one more thing,someone on identi.ca said they were making a mockup for kubuntu.org...
[17:42] <shadeslayer> i dont remember the name though..
[17:42] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: uploaded to -proposed
[17:42] <ryanakca> shadeslayer: Ah, we have ofirk's theme waiting for the sysadmins to push through.
[17:43] <shadeslayer> ryanakca: is there like a preview?
[17:43] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Great.  No we'll wait ...
[17:43] <ScottK> No/Now
[17:44] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I subscribed ubuntu-sru to the bug.
[17:44] <ryanakca> shadeslayer: 
[17:44] <ryanakca> oops
[17:44] <shadeslayer> :)
[17:47] <ryanakca> shadeslayer: http://violetech.org/kubuntu/staging/
[17:47] <shadeslayer> :)
[17:47] <shtylman> ryanakca: needs new logo
[17:48] <ryanakca> shtylman: *nod*
[17:48] <ryanakca> ofirk: ^^
[17:48] <shadeslayer> its pretty awesome
[17:55] <ScottK> Another reason to be glad we release with KDE SC 4.*.2 and not .0 or .1: http://thomasmcguire.wordpress.com/2010/05/14/akonadi-meeting-and-the-kde-sc-4-5-release/
[18:02]  * ScottK learns something new: http://www.hse.k12.in.us/staff/cvanalstine/echidna_med.jpg
[19:03] <ScottK> Whoever has kubuntu_news on Twitter might ought to update to the new logo.
[19:15] <rgreening> hey ScottK. Make it home ok?
[19:15] <ScottK> Yep.
[19:15] <rgreening> good stuff
[19:16] <rgreening> Imma soo tired still
[19:16] <rgreening> ha
[19:16] <crimsun> my body never adapted to the +6 hr shift, so I've been on a horrendous 20 hr schedule
[19:17] <rgreening> he
[19:17] <ScottK> I just stayed up all night Friday night which pretty effectively unset my body clock.  I'm on the right schedule, just tired.
[20:05] <JontheEchidna> I got home at a sane bedtime, and since I was dead tired I got right back on schedule more or less the next day
[20:51] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: Actually, thinking about it I don't see anything bad that could happen from making the replace versions 4.4.60 and uploading now.
[20:55] <JontheEchidna> The betas usually start at .70 or .80, so we won't have the problem of file overwrites slipping through the cracks when packaging those
[21:04] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: Could you push meta-kde through new queue too, please?
[21:32] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: what is kde-sc-dev-latest ?
[21:33] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: It seems to be a metapackage that Debian is using to ensure that all build depends are at proper versions for new releases
[21:34] <Riddell> it seems to have a different version number from the rest, presumably that's deliberate
[21:34] <JontheEchidna> yeah, they're updating meta-kde each KDE release to bump that number
[21:35] <JontheEchidna> Their kdepimlibs then, for example, build-depends on kde-sc-dev-latest
[21:36] <Riddell> weirdness, it doesn't depend on anything it just Breaks older stuff
[21:37] <Riddell> accepted
[21:37] <JontheEchidna> If it depended on anything it would make the whole dependency tree screwy
[21:38] <JontheEchidna> This hasn't been a huge problem for us, but maybe things are a bit different for Debian
[22:07]  * apachelogger needs to stop writing code
[22:08] <apachelogger>     std::cout << "Got exception: " << e.what() << std::endl;
[22:08] <apachelogger>     std::cout << "Good-bye o/" << std::endl;
[22:08] <apachelogger>     std::cout << "I hope you come visit again soon, I am all alone on your"
[22:08] <apachelogger>         "big harddrive, well except for that p0rn over there :'-(" << std::endl;
[22:08] <apachelogger> stupid exceptions make me write silly output -.-