[00:50] <Red_HamsterX> Less productive than I'd hoped, but I think I've got the full relationship model for the server's database worked out. (And about 40% implemented in code)
[00:55] <daker> guys where can i find the new ubuntu font?
[00:55] <godbyk> daker: It hasn't been released yet.
[00:56] <daker> oki
[01:20] <daker> godbyk, https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual-website/ubuntu-manual-website/uslc
[01:23] <godbyk> daker: cool!
[01:23] <daker> :)
[01:24] <godbyk> You're insanely good at taking pictures and turning them into web pages. :)
[01:25] <daker> not pictures, i sent a email to humphreybc then he sent me the psd
[01:25] <godbyk> ah, cool.
[01:25] <godbyk> still. :)
[01:25] <daker> thanks
[03:16] <happyaron> hi, I've just uploaded several screenshots for zh_CN language, who will review and approve it?
[03:17] <daker> see with ubuntujenkins
[03:17] <happyaron> daker: thanks
[03:18] <happyaron> godbyk: and hi, is there any progress about the pdfs?
[15:09] <Red_HamsterX> ubuntujenkins, I think I've got a solution to the problem of training users to expand windows without maximizing them.
[15:10] <Red_HamsterX> As a plus, it'll allow us to make corners appear rounded.
[15:10] <Red_HamsterX> A simple script-mapping feature on the server that, at approval-time, allows the operator to choose which filters to apply to the image with a few checkboxes.
[15:11] <Red_HamsterX> Each one will take an image and apply a transformation routine to it, like how we patched the button order.
[15:13] <Red_HamsterX> If we add a 1px border tyo images and overlay rounded edges with transparency, we should be able to make maximized windows look consistent enough.
[15:24] <nisshh> check this out: http://poststuff5.entensity.net/051410/flash.php?media=dog.flv
[15:42] <daker> Red_HamsterX, i got something for you
[15:43] <Red_HamsterX> Is it candy?
[15:43] <daker> wait a minute
[15:44] <nisshh> really early christmas present?
[15:45] <daker> no :D
[15:46] <nisshh> awwwwwww
[15:46] <Red_HamsterX> Even if it were, I wouldn't share. =P
[15:50] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: thats a great idea.
[15:51] <Red_HamsterX> I'll try to get a simple multi-window demo done for you during lunch breaks this week.
[15:52] <nisshh> Red_HamsterX: is not a good idea, didnt you know that you HAVE to give me a share in it? :)
[15:52] <Red_HamsterX> It shouldn't be hard to do; I'll just need to find a bit of time.
[15:52] <Red_HamsterX> No... No, I did not.
[15:52] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX:  thanks no rush I have uni work to do at the moment. I finish in a month so down to quickshot then
[16:01] <daker> Red_HamsterX, Bazaar want work for me
[16:01] <daker> give me your email
[16:02] <daker> he starts working :)
[16:02] <Red_HamsterX> red.hamsterx@gmail.com, neil.tallim@gmail.com, flan@uguu.ca (Take your pick)
[16:23] <daker> back
[16:23] <daker> Red_HamsterX, now pull the server branch
[16:28] <Red_HamsterX> Done.
[16:28] <Red_HamsterX> I'll integrate those changes as soon as they become relevant.
[16:28] <Red_HamsterX> (I'm doing a from-scartch redesign right now)
[16:29] <daker> oki
[16:29] <Red_HamsterX> (But I'll consult your code whenever I need to do something visual)
[16:29] <daker> sure
[16:30]  * Red_HamsterX is trying to decide between purely natural keys and surrogates with natural indexes...
[16:31] <Red_HamsterX> The longest natural key would be three columns, with a clear parent-child relationship between them.
[16:31] <Red_HamsterX> So it's more of a data-usage concern than a speed concern.
[16:37] <daker> can you explain what you going to do ?
[16:37] <Red_HamsterX> I'm working on the multiple-projects-on-a-single-server model.
[16:38] <Red_HamsterX> My main concern is with logging events.
[16:38] <Red_HamsterX> Though it's probably not worth the effort I'm putting into it.
[16:38] <Red_HamsterX> The overhead's, like, 20 bytes per row.
[16:39] <Red_HamsterX> ...And I could probably just move that cost into the filesystem.
[16:40] <godbyk> If it's something that can be easily modified/fixed later, then you can put it off. If it'll be a big hassle to change it later, better to fix it now.  At least that's the policy I usually take. :)
[16:40] <Red_HamsterX> Same.
[16:40] <Red_HamsterX> I just really hate surrogate keys.
[16:40] <godbyk> "Move it into the filesystem".. using naming scheme? Or more reads/writes to the fs?
[16:40] <Red_HamsterX> Use a naming scheme.
[16:40] <Red_HamsterX> Possibly a directory hierarchy.
[16:41] <godbyk> ah, gotcha.
[16:41] <godbyk> as long as they're all safe names.
[16:41] <godbyk> (nothing too funky that the fs will disallow as a file/dir name)
[16:41] <godbyk> .. and as long as it won't hit any limitations of the fs (max files per dir, etc.).
[16:42] <Red_HamsterX> A bigger concern is probably making sure the server's owner can freely hack data, if some sort of problem comes up.
[16:42] <godbyk> right.
[16:43] <Red_HamsterX> Which is one of the main reasons why I hate surrogate keys.
[16:43] <godbyk> that's true, too
[16:43] <godbyk> .(especially since I'm the current server 'owner'.) ;-)
[16:43] <Red_HamsterX> (I'll try to expose as much maintenance logic as I can through the project-admin interface)
[16:44] <Red_HamsterX> (This is just for super-unlikely situations like merging two servers)
[16:44] <Red_HamsterX> (If it can be handled through FS-level syncing, then, well, yay)
[19:56] <xuacu> Hi!
[19:56] <xuacu> is there any TeXpert on board?
[19:57] <godbyk> xuacu: Sure. What's up?
[19:57] <daker> hi xuacu
[19:57] <xuacu> I'm tryng to trace an error on asturian build
[19:57] <godbyk> Can you paste the .log file to http://paste.ubuntu.com/ and send me the link?
[19:57] <godbyk> I'll take a look at it for you.
[19:57] <xuacu> I got this output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/434507/
[19:58] <xuacu> sure ;)
[19:59] <godbyk> Hmm.. strange. I'm not sure why po4a care about that.
[19:59] <godbyk> Let me try to compile it here real quick.
[19:59] <xuacu> ok, thx
[20:00] <godbyk> It seems to be working okay here.  Try 'make ubuntu-manual-ast.pdf' and see what happens.  (You may want to run 'make clean' first to clear any old files.)
[20:00] <xuacu> let me see
[20:01] <xuacu> ... the same thing happens
[20:02] <xuacu> let me try one thing
[20:03] <godbyk> k
[20:03] <xuacu> I've the same TeX live I've installed some months ago
[20:03] <godbyk> It's not running tex yet.
[20:03] <xuacu> I'll try to uninstall and get the ppa version
[20:03] <godbyk> po4a is dying.
[20:04] <godbyk> It's not a tex problem.
[20:04] <xuacu> mmm...
[20:04] <godbyk> Let me google around for a moment.
[20:04] <xuacu> ok
[20:08] <godbyk> xuacu: I updated the ubuntu-manual.cls file and pushed it. try 'bzr pull' and then 'make mylang' again.
[20:08] <godbyk> I have no idea if it'll help or not.
[20:09] <xuacu> ok
[20:09] <godbyk> I think the problem may be that the colophon isn't in the translation template.
[20:09] <godbyk> In fact, you shouldn't see that stuff anyway if you're using the lucid-e1 branch.
[20:10] <godbyk> Run 'bzr info' and paste the results here.
[20:11] <xuacu> wow! lucid-e2!
[20:11] <godbyk> aha.
[20:11] <godbyk> yeah, that'd be the problem.
[20:11] <xuacu> I've no idea why it's on e2...
[20:12] <xuacu> actually, I've no idea about bzr :)
[20:12] <godbyk> :)
[20:12] <xuacu> I'll try to fix that, thx
[20:13] <godbyk> well, you can run 'bzr branch lp:ubuntu-manual/lucid-e1' to pull the e1 branch.
[20:28] <xuacu> godbyk: done
[20:29] <xuacu> I got an error when running make mylang
[20:29] <godbyk-android> Now you can try running make mylang again from that branch.
[20:29] <xuacu> but running just make before that fixes the issue
[20:30] <godbyk-android> Okay. Can you paste the  error message again?
[20:30] <godbyk-android> Weird
[20:30] <xuacu> here you are http://paste.ubuntu.com/434526/
[20:33]  * Red_HamsterX ughs at incomplete documentation.
[20:33] <Red_HamsterX> http://www.sqlalchemy.org/docs/05/reference/orm/query.html#sqlalchemy.orm.query.Query.with_lockmode
[20:34] <Red_HamsterX> It'd be nice to know what values are acceptable. :(
[20:34] <c7p> xuacu: I had the same problem and I overcomed it running "make clean"
[20:35] <xuacu> c7p: yes, same for me
[20:35] <xuacu> it looks as if manual needs one make
[20:35] <xuacu> and then all goes fine
[20:41] <godbyk> I'm not entirely sure what the problem is.  I've pushed a couple lines of code that may fix it though.
[20:42] <godbyk> (run 'make clean' and 'rm revision.tex', then try 'make mylang' again -- after bzr pull, of course.)
[20:43] <xuacu> let me see
[20:47] <xuacu> godbyk: ok, now it builds
[20:47] <godbyk> okay.
[20:47] <godbyk> let me know if you see that error in the future.
[20:48] <xuacu> except for errors that I'm hunting, that is :)
[20:48] <xuacu> thx
[20:48] <godbyk> it comes about because po4a is rather dumb. :-(
[20:48] <xuacu> I need to learn really a lot
[21:11] <daker> i have question
[21:12] <daker> who uses wordpress ?
[21:13] <dutchie> i used to, then gave up on it and wrote my own blogging platform
[21:14] <dutchie> daker: why do you ask?
[21:18] <daker> i will make a nice wordpress theme
[21:38] <godbyk> I use wordpress still.
[21:38] <daker> oki
[21:41] <godbyk> I tend to change the theme on my blog every six months or so.
[21:41] <godbyk> I've never found one that I've liked long-term.
[21:41] <dutchie> if anyone fancies doing a design for http://www.joshh.co.uk/, i would be grateful :)
[21:41] <dutchie> seeing as it's quite ugly at the moment
[21:42] <godbyk> Here's my current theme: http://kevin.godby.org/
[21:42] <godbyk> I rather like the minimalist, typography-oriented themes.
[21:42] <godbyk> There aren't many of them though.
[21:44] <daker> i'll try to make a nice one
[21:46] <godbyk> Is daker bored today? :)
[21:46] <daker> yes
[21:46] <daker> i am waiting for replies
[21:46] <daker> for my training
[21:47] <godbyk> ah
[21:48] <daker> and you ?
[21:48] <godbyk> I'm bouncing around between a few different projects at the moment.
[21:48] <godbyk> Can't seem to focus on any one of them today. :-(
[21:54] <daker> question
[21:55] <daker> not necessary :)
[21:55] <godbyk> ok
[22:38] <Red_HamsterX> Has anyone worked with OpenID before?
[22:38] <daker> no
[22:46] <xuacu> godbyk: are you available?
[22:46] <godbyk> xuacu: sure
[22:47] <xuacu> hi. Something is going really wrong here
[22:48] <xuacu> when building asturian manual, the title page appears in english
[22:48] <godbyk> xuacu: that's because an asturian title page probably hasn't been created yet.
[22:48] <xuacu> and the main text is...
[22:48] <xuacu> like Klingon to me.
[22:49] <xuacu> godbyk: it's created
[22:49] <godbyk> hmm..
[22:49] <Red_HamsterX> I wonder what the language code for Klingon would be...
[22:49] <xuacu> titles and margin notes are ok
[22:49] <godbyk> paste your .log file and I'll take al ook.
[22:50] <xuacu> I tried to build galician and english
[22:50] <xuacu> with the same results
[22:51] <xuacu> godbyk: http://paste.ubuntu.com/434581/
[22:52] <godbyk> Class ubuntu-manual Warning: No cover page for asturian found.
[22:52] <godbyk> (ubuntu-manual)              Defaulting to English A4 cover page..
[22:52] <xuacu> however, it's there...
[22:53] <godbyk> xuacu: ah, I see what the problem may be.
[22:53] <godbyk> I've commented out the generate_titlepage function call in the Makefile.
[22:53] <godbyk> (because I got tired of it regenerating the title pages all the time on my PC.)
[22:53] <xuacu> np, usually I generate it
[22:53] <godbyk> does the file titlepage/titlepage-ast.pdf exist?
[22:54] <xuacu> yes, it's already in Launchpad branch
[22:54] <godbyk> not the svg, the pdf.
[22:55] <xuacu> oh...
[22:55] <xuacu> no, it's not
[22:55] <xuacu> but I can regenerate it
[22:55] <godbyk> you can run: 	inkscape --export-text-to-path --export-pdf=titlepage/titlepage-ast.pdf titlepage/titlepage-ast.svg
[22:55] <godbyk> that'll generate it
[23:03] <xuacu> godbyk: the titlepage is now there...
[23:03] <godbyk> 'kay.
[23:03] <godbyk> what was the other problem you were having?
[23:04] <xuacu> main text is some sort of "asdf..."
[23:04] <xuacu> formatted text is ok
[23:04] <godbyk> can you show me the pdf?
[23:05] <xuacu> let me find one of my upload sites
[23:15] <xuacu> godbyk: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=AI05RG92
[23:18] <godbyk> that's quite odd. I don't get that on mine.
[23:18] <godbyk> do you have linux libertine installed?
[23:19] <xuacu> yes, I did pkgs/install-pkgs.sh and all is fine :(
[23:19] <godbyk> Hmm..
[23:20] <xuacu> just in case...
[23:20] <xuacu> I'll try uninstall and then install again
[23:21] <godbyk> 'kay.
[23:28] <xuacu> godbyk:  it didn't work...
[23:35] <godbyk> I'm not sure what the problem is then.
[23:35] <godbyk> Sorry.
[23:35] <godbyk> My version looks like the one here: http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/
[23:39] <xuacu> yes, that's how it looked for me too
[23:39] <xuacu> ok, I'll check system logs in case there's an answer
[23:40] <xuacu> night everyone and thx o/
[23:40] <godbyk> see ya, xuacu