[00:00] <ermo> jpds: I could try to emit the 'local filesystems' event manuall as per the Upstart wiki.
[00:01] <ermo> *manually
[00:05] <enav> need some orientation pleas....   i chrooted a user using these steps http://is.gd/c9lXs  .... SFTP works perfect  but  when i try to initiate a SSH connection its just froze
[00:07] <penguin42> enav: I *think* that's the ForceCommand internal-sftp line
[00:07] <enav> hum let me google that line
[00:08] <penguin42> enav: I think it's trying to force all ssh connections for that user to be only sftp
[00:08] <enav> nop
[00:08] <enav> i got 2 accounts  admind and webmaster
[00:10] <enav> admin have all powers (SSH, SFTP)  but webmaster is chrooted to a specific folder.... so webmaster only can connect via sftp
[00:11] <enav> i thought chroot an user will jail that user to an specific folder on SSH and SFTP... but for some reason this is disabling SSH cessions
[00:13] <penguin42> my suspicion is that ForceCommand does more than just the chroot
[00:13] <ermo> jpds: Right, I think I know how to proceed. Thanks for your time.
[00:14] <ermo> diabolical_: and thanks for your time too.
[00:15] <jpds> ermo: No worries.
[00:17] <ermo> Next up: A forwarding only postfix setup adapted from my previous gentoo configuration. This should be 'fun'.
[00:17]  * ermo does his *NINJA VANISH* trick
[00:31] <enav> how do you do that funny trick?
[00:43] <ruben23> hi guys
[00:43] <ruben23> happay weekedn to all
[00:43] <ruben23> happy weekend i mean
[00:52] <ruben23> hi anyone here a ubuntu a senior sysadmin i would like to ask if i can apply as an apprenttice or trainee...
[00:53] <ruben23> :)
[00:54] <SpamapS> ruben23: best way to do that is probably get a lot of real world experience... sign on as a jr. admin at a hosting company maybe?
[00:58] <ruben23> SpamapS: its not actually areal job but i want to learn the ways and expertise of senior sysadmin..
[00:59] <ruben23> SpamapS: but thte one your suggesting, hope its possible that would be a good learning ground
[01:20] <dominicdinada> by  default does the ufw send its firewall rules to iptables and if so when?
[01:34] <enav> why a folder to jail some SFTP user need to be owned by root?????
[01:35] <enav> cd /
[01:54] <RoyK> testing a 16 system live is quite niccce
[02:04] <chewbranca> so I setup UEC and got everything configured with a node controller as well, but I have not been able to install an image from the store yet
[02:04] <chewbranca> everytime I do, it downloads and then errors out with: "socket.error: [Errno 110] Connection timed out"
[02:04] <chewbranca> any ideas?
[02:06] <chewbranca> same error as here: http://open.eucalyptus.com/forum/store-image-installation-erro
[02:07] <chewbranca> and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1444503
[02:15] <owen1> after upgrading to lucid i can't login. instead of the text-based login i had, i see a wallpaper. the mouse is working, keyboard does not. (it's a desktop that i removed the gdm)
[02:16] <chewbranca> I get that same error if I try installing M/DB appliance
[02:25] <owen1> chewbranca: r u talking to me?
[02:28] <chewbranca> owen1, no, talking about this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9306716#post9306716
[02:49] <chewbranca> bah... getting the same socket timeout when I try and bundle manually as described here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC/BundlingImages
[04:11] <chewbranca> nice, managed to figure it out, was a configuration error on the keyboard side of things
[04:25] <owen1> is it possible to install lucid server from a usb?
[04:35] <ScottK> owen1: Yes.  Use usb-creator to make a USB key from the server iso.
[04:40] <owen1> ScottK: will do. is there a way to know in advance if my machine support install from usb? it's a few years old desktop
[04:42] <xrol> hello, I'm having problems installing server 10.04 64bits, when base install reach 75% it stops reading the cd, and ask me to change media, however, i still can see the content of the disk, any ideas?
[05:07] <SpamapS> xrol: did you select some special options that maybe aren't on the main cd?
[05:09] <xrol> no, normal install. I check the ubuntu forum, and the bug is reported some days ago, but there is not an answer yet, I also reburn the disk just in case, but nothing
[05:09] <xrol> in some place I read that may be a Sony DVD issue with the new ubuntu
[05:10] <xrol> I mean sony dvd drive
[05:12] <xrol> here is the link to the ubuntu forum where the problem is presented: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1468718&page=1
[05:12] <SpamapS> reading..
[05:13] <xrol> thanks
[05:15] <SpamapS> xrol: kind of looks like that link suggests your DVD is a bit suspect
[05:16] <xrol> the dvd drive?
[05:17] <SpamapS> thats what everybody seems to be suggesting
[05:17] <SpamapS> not necessarily the reader, but the burner too.. could be either
[05:19] <xrol> the problem with that is that I can pess Alt+F2, access the console, and access the dvd contect, from the same server I'm installing, and it doesn't present any read errors, how is taht the installation can't read what I can from the same disk?
[05:20] <SpamapS> Possibly a checksum fails on a package install.
[05:22] <xrol> I'll try another burner and another reader, thank you
[06:20] <owen1> i just installed lucid and noticed that during the installation i got message about no connection to the internet.
[06:20] <owen1> the installation is completed. how to establish connection(wired at first)
[06:32] <fbc-mx> Is there any kind of monitoring service that I can install on my server that will email me when certain thresholds are broken, like CPU goes over 9 for more than 10 seconds, etc
[06:40] <SpamapS> damn.. munin is the perfect answer for fbc-mx
[06:40] <SpamapS> he waited a whole 2 minutes for an answer
[07:10] <Iceman_B|nbk> greetings, im having issues installing 10.04 server on a system with an MSI KT4V mobo
[07:10] <Iceman_B|nbk> has anyone heard of this?
[07:10] <Iceman_B|nbk> disc integrity checks out, I tried a different optical drive on another system (Dell Dimension), setup program seems to run fine
[07:11] <Iceman_B|nbk> when I transfer the dvd drive to the other system, it hangs again at the keyboard select screen
[07:11] <Iceman_B|nbk> whats going on ?
[08:00] <Iceman_B|nbk> nobody? wow
[08:02] <Iceman_B|nbk> oh, https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04%20LTS/installation-guide/ 404's
[08:04] <KurtKraut> I have a transparent Squid cache and behind it severak Ubuntu desktop computers. Will Squid cache package updates and save bandwith? Are APT repositories cachable by default?a
[08:21] <owen1> every rebbot i have to run 'sudo dhcp eth0' to have internet connection. how to tell ubuntu to do it for me?
[08:44] <owen1> what package do i need so i can have a wireless network plugin on my panel? (using xfce)
[08:50] <RoyK> you mean like X?
[09:02] <owen1> RoyK_wrk:solved it already..
[09:09] <owen1> i can't see my any wireless network. how make ubuntu 'discover' my wireless?
[09:09] <owen1> (iwconfig shows me wlan0)
[10:02] <Schmidt> owen1: iwlist wlan0 or something like that
[10:48] <RoyK>  11:48:27 up 1 day, 19:52,  1 user,  load average: 20.40, 20.18, 20.11
[10:52] <RoyK> ubuntu runs quite well on 16 cores :D
[10:55] <Iceman_B|nbk> I wish I could get Ubuntu to run ._.
[10:55] <realV> hi all
[10:56] <realV> someone know some good tutorial for heartbeat?
[10:59] <RoyK> I think that's heartbeat's been superseeded by pacemaker
[11:04] <Mikey^> Hey
[11:04] <Mikey^> I have a 6.06.2 installation
[11:04] <Mikey^> Why is there no mplayer in the repos ?
[11:04] <RoyK> is there a good reason to run 6.06 these days?
[11:04] <Mikey^> I dont have X installed, only commandline.
[11:05] <Mikey^> yes, I just have it for fun
[11:05] <Mikey^> nothing serious
[11:05] <RoyK> upgrading to 8.04 or 10.04 might help
[11:05] <Mikey^> Why cant I use what I want
[11:05] <Mikey^> isnt that the policy of opensource, no forceful updates
[11:05] <Mikey^> I can use what I want
[11:06] <RoyK> of course you can :)
[11:06] <Mikey^> thank you :)
[11:07] <RoyK> but don't complain about the lack of packages in ancient distros
[11:07] <Mikey^> no. I was just asked
[11:07] <Mikey^> asking *
[11:08]  * RoyK installs slackware 2.3 on Mikey^'s box
[11:08] <Iceman_B|nbk> can I use the cd installer to upgrade a 9.10 machine to 10.04?
[11:08] <RoyK> Iceman_B|nbk: it's easier to just run do-release-upgrade
[11:09] <Iceman_B|nbk> doesnt that break all sorts of things?
[11:09] <Mikey^> RoyK: Thank you, I want someone to install slackware :)
[11:09] <Iceman_B|nbk> last time I did that I ended up with 6 kernels
[11:09] <Iceman_B|nbk> and a face that looked like this:  °_°?
[11:09] <Mikey^> 6.06 is not that old.. Its not like I am using debian 1.0 or something
[11:09] <RoyK> it installs a new kernel, yes
[11:09] <RoyK> but it doesn't break things
[11:09] <RoyK> well, mostly it doesn't :)
[11:09] <RoyK> hasn't broken any of my boxes yet
[11:10] <Iceman_B|nbk> okay
[11:10] <Iceman_B|nbk> well I guess it shouldnt, im using very little additional packages
[11:10] <RoyK> the online upgrade will also use the latest packages
[11:10] <RoyK> meaning less bugs
[11:10] <RoyK> or newer bugs :)
[11:10] <RoyK> newer bugs are always better than old ones
[11:10] <Iceman_B|nbk> but, say I do want to delete all other kernels and just use the latest 32-bit server kernel, how would I do that
[11:11] <Iceman_B|nbk> (on 9.10, with aptitude)
[11:11] <RoyK> just apt-get remove them
[11:11] <RoyK> dpkg -l will list install packages - remove the ones you don't want
[11:12] <Iceman_B|nbk> yeah but, I never know which package I need
[11:12] <Iceman_B|nbk> for each kernel, there are 2 or 3 packages
[11:12] <Iceman_B|nbk> some of em are meta
[11:14] <RoyK> pastebin the output of
[11:14] <RoyK> dpkg -l|grep linux-image
[11:14] <Iceman_B|nbk> gimme 5 minutes, need to move my server to its dark hole again and boot it
[11:15] <RoyK> black hole server :)
[11:20] <Iceman_B|nbk> cupboard box :p
[11:21]  * Iceman_B|nbk <-- poor ex-student turned NEET
[11:23] <Iceman_B|nbk> Linux Rin-chan 2.6.31-21-generic-pae #59-Ubuntu SMP Wed Mar 24 08:47:55 UTC 2010 i686 <-- it says this when I log in
[11:23] <Iceman_B|nbk> dpkg paste coming up
[11:23] <RoyK> Iceman_B|nbk: no, it says when the kernel was built
[11:24] <ivoks> that will be removed in maverick
[11:24] <Iceman_B|nbk> RoyK: http://dpaste.com/195207/
[11:24] <ivoks> from motd
[11:24] <RoyK> ivoks: what will?
[11:24] <ivoks> timestamp when kernel was built
[11:25] <RoyK> why?
[11:25] <ivoks> users wouldn't get that info when they log in
[11:25] <ivoks> it's useless
[11:25] <RoyK> ah, in motd, yes
[11:26] <RoyK> Iceman_B|nbk: is this a server?
[11:27] <ivoks> he doesn't have latest updates, fwiw
[11:27] <Iceman_B|nbk> RoyK: ya
[11:27] <ivoks> current kernel is -22
[11:28] <Iceman_B|nbk> I installed it with 9.04 server edition I believe
[11:28] <Iceman_B|nbk> then at some point I did an online upgrade
[11:28] <RoyK> Iceman_B|nbk: uname -r
[11:29] <RoyK> oh
[11:29] <RoyK> I guess it's 2.6.31-21-generic-pae
[11:29] <RoyK> why not -server?
[11:29] <Iceman_B|nbk> I have no clue :)
[11:29] <RoyK> well, just run the upgrade
[11:29] <RoyK> you can clean up later
[11:29] <ivoks> well, you obviously installed ubuntu-desktop package
[11:29] <ivoks> you can't hide from us
[11:29] <Iceman_B|nbk> which I didnt want to ._.
[11:29] <ivoks> we know everything :)
[11:29] <Iceman_B|nbk> noes!
[11:30] <RoyK> you can run, but you can't hide
[11:30] <Iceman_B|nbk> I'll just smoke then :p
[11:30] <Iceman_B|nbk> right so, upgrade time
[11:30] <ivoks> i doubt it got installed by it self :)
[11:31] <Iceman_B|nbk> ivoks: I want the server to run with as little stuff as possible, its running on an 9y/o Dell Dimension
[11:31] <Iceman_B|nbk> "do-release-upgrade" is it?
[11:31] <RoyK> yes
[11:34] <Iceman_B|SSH> well, this machine is upgrading now
[11:35] <RoyK> shouldn't take too long
[11:35] <ivoks> well
[11:36] <ivoks> since he installed ubuntu-desktop, it might take long :)
[11:36] <Iceman_B|nbk> 285 megs
[11:36] <ivoks> maybe you just installed the kernel
[11:36] <ivoks> hm...
[11:36] <ivoks> question; what cpu is that?
[11:38] <ivoks> if it's an older CPU
[11:38] <ivoks> it might not support PAE
[11:38] <ivoks> and, afaik, all -generic and -server package are now pae enabled
[11:38] <ivoks> meaning, you won't be able to boot those kernels
[11:39] <ivoks> fear not, there's -386 version, for those old CPUs
[11:40] <Iceman_B|nbk> ivoks: P4 1.6 Ghz
[11:40] <storrgie> i can log into my machine with my rsa key once, but once i log out it denies me access until I restart the machine.....
[11:40] <Iceman_B|nbk> 256meg RDram
[11:40] <ivoks> right
[11:40] <ivoks> so, it doesn't support pae
[11:40] <Iceman_B|nbk> nope
[11:40] <Iceman_B|nbk> I dont think that existed 9 yrs ago :)
[11:41] <ivoks> there you go
[11:41] <ivoks> now you know why you have -generic kernel
[11:41] <Iceman_B|nbk> okay
[11:42] <Iceman_B|nbk> wait, not okay
[11:42] <Iceman_B|nbk> there are only server kernels with PAE support?
[11:43] <ivoks> server kernels work only on CPUs that support PAE, that's right
[11:45] <ivoks> we have only one kernel now, anyway
[11:46] <ivoks> and that's -generic
[11:46] <ivoks> there's -386 for those with non-pae cpus
[12:04] <Iceman_B|nbk> there it goes
[12:08] <RoyK> on lucid?
[12:09] <Iceman_B|nbk> Linux Rin-chan 2.6.32-22-generic-pae
[12:09] <Iceman_B|nbk> oh
[12:09] <Iceman_B|nbk> ravi@Rin-chan:~$ uname -a
[12:09] <Iceman_B|nbk> Linux Rin-chan 2.6.32-22-generic-pae #33-Ubuntu SMP Wed Apr 28 14:57:29 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:10] <Iceman_B|nbk> seems like it
[12:10] <Iceman_B|nbk> oh fsck
[12:10] <Iceman_B|nbk> well the welcome message said 10.04 LTS
[12:13] <ivoks> it is
[12:13] <ivoks> 2.6.32 is in lucid
[12:14] <RoyK> Iceman_B|nbk: lsb_release -a should show most of it
[12:14] <RoyK> Iceman_B|nbk: there you are - no bugs yet :)
[12:24] <Iceman_B|nbk> well, I only started irssi so
[12:24] <Iceman_B|nbk> lets see if my samba share is still dancing
[12:25] <Iceman_B|nbk> Lady Gaga says yes
[12:25]  * Iceman_B|nbk sings along with "Bad ROmance"
[12:35] <storrgie> How do I set it up so that my home directory is NOT encrypted?
[12:44] <RoyK> don't enable encryption :)
[12:44] <storrgie> I just deleted my user and created him again
[12:44] <storrgie> what a pain
[12:44] <storrgie> using encryption means you cant use key login ssh
[12:44] <storrgie> unless you are logged into the system and your home is mounted
[12:44] <storrgie> :(
[12:45] <RoyK> not for first login, no
[12:45] <RoyK> which is quite understandable
[12:50] <Iceman_B|nbk> bbl
[13:50] <_ruben> storrgie: there's "tricks" to store your pub key in both the encrypted and non-encrypted homedir, or just move the pub key to some place outside your $HOME .. it remains a nasty issue however though :)
[13:52] <penguin42> storrgie: I guess full disk encryption rather than home directory encryption might be easier in that case
[13:53] <penguin42> (Can the standard installer do that?)
[13:53] <storrgie> penguin42: yeah dont do home dir encryption if you want to ssh in with pubkey access
[13:53] <storrgie> penguin42: i am having another ssh issue, mind taking a peek?
[13:53] <penguin42> can try, don't know that much about weirder corners of ssh
[13:54] <storrgie> well have you set up key based auth with ssh?
[13:54] <RoyK> penguin42: I think you should be able to ssh in based on key auth the second time you try
[13:54] <RoyK> iirc linux keeps the encrypted volume mounted after first login
[13:55] <storrgie> RoyK you are correct
[13:55] <RoyK> I'm not entirely sure that's a good thing, though, security-wise
[13:57] <echosystm> honest opinions - how do you guys find ubuntu server in comparison to centos et al ?
[13:58] <echosystm> it seems to be getting taken a lot more seriously these days as a server distro (unlike the past)
[13:59] <echosystm> im curious about it
[14:00] <RoyK> I've been using a lot of distros over the years, but I'm quite confident with using ubuntu
[14:01] <echosystm> i guess my main concern...
[14:01] <penguin42> echosystm: I'd still use Centos/RHEL for a server
[14:01] <RoyK> I guess a lot boils down to taste or even religion for some, but our ubuntu servers work well
[14:01] <echosystm> ive always found quality to be a bit hit and miss in ubuntu as a desktop os, in comparison to debian for example
[14:01] <penguin42> echosystm: Well for a public facing one, for myself I'd use Ubuntu
[14:01] <RoyK> ubuntu is very good for servers
[14:01] <RoyK> we have about 20 ubuntu machines now
[14:01] <RoyK> moving the redhat stuff to ubuntu when we can
[14:02] <echosystm> but things like installing java are about a metric bajillion times easier than on centos
[14:02] <echosystm> and thats a scientific fact
[14:02] <echosystm> ;)
[14:02] <RoyK> I know
[14:02] <echosystm> im drawn to ubuntu for this reason alone really
[14:02] <RoyK> echosystm: we have a bunch of scientists using lots of libraries that aren't even thought of in the redhat camp
[14:03] <RoyK> installing those by hand is a bitch
[14:03] <echosystm> yeah
[14:03] <RoyK> in ubuntu they're all in the repository already
[14:03] <echosystm> yeah, thats what i love about ubuntu
[14:03] <echosystm> everything is in the repo
[14:03] <RoyK> less work, more time off
[14:03] <penguin42> yeh apt and the ubuntu/debian repos are way better than the centos/rhel ones
[14:03] <echosystm> ive noticed parallels have started supporting ubuntu too
[14:04] <echosystm> for plesk
[14:04]  * RoyK just uses vbox
[14:04] <echosystm> so i figure ubuntu can't be too bad
[14:05] <RoyK> I'd recommend using 8.04 for critical servers
[14:05] <RoyK> 10.04 was just released - there might be bugs still
[14:05] <echosystm> isnt 8.04 almost EOL now though?
[14:05] <storrgie> echosystm: i think it has a couple more years
[14:05] <RoyK> supported until april 2013
[14:05] <echosystm> ah, cool
[14:05] <penguin42> it's worth waiting a little while until we all figure out how to debug lucid
[14:05] <echosystm> tbh, i
[14:06] <echosystm> i'd really like to see ubuntu LTS based off debian stable
[14:06] <echosystm> then the 6 month releases off testing/sid
[14:07] <echosystm> i guess that was the idea behind trying to sync the freezes
[14:07] <echosystm> anyway
[14:07] <echosystm> so the basic rule is to only use LTS releases and wait a little while between them, yes?
[14:08] <RoyK> yes
[14:08] <echosystm> ok
[14:08] <echosystm> easy
[14:08] <RoyK> 8.04 is really rock stable
[14:08] <echosystm> im using it at work as my desktop
[14:08] <echosystm> and i notice some bugs still
[14:08] <echosystm> but it could be virtualbox
[14:08] <penguin42> echosystm: But the bugs are known
[14:09] <RoyK> perhaps with X - I don't know many people still using 8.04 for their desktop
[14:09] <penguin42> echosystm: Known bugs, none of them too bad
[14:09] <penguin42> yeh for a desktop I'd move on
[14:09] <echosystm> ive been trying to find the time to update, but work... priorities :P
[14:10] <RoyK> we only have one server in production with 10.04 - just installed - numbercruncher thing - so I don't know yet - seems stable so far, running at a load of about 20
[14:13] <penguin42> RoyK: Does it do anything other than crunch? Does it do any servery like things - e.g. NFS or smb serving heavily?
[14:13] <wortbit> I try to get uec running for the first time. So far I can run "euca-describe-availability-zones verbose" but I get for free/max always 0. I think it has todo with the storage/lvm - does the SC require a special name for the volumegroup?
[14:13] <RoyK> penguin42: not this box
[14:13] <RoyK> penguin42: 16 core baby with 64 gigs of RAM
[14:14] <RoyK> penguin42: modelling volcanic ash transport
[14:14] <penguin42> RoyK: Yeh you said - we can blame you now for our closed airports
[14:14] <penguin42> :-)
[14:15] <RoyK> heh - not really - we're just trying to make the models better so that you can keep them open a little longer
[14:15] <RoyK> one of our scientists have even developed a sort of camera that can be installed in aircraft to detect volcanic ash so they can navigate around it
[14:15] <penguin42> nice
[14:16] <RoyK> http://www.nicarnica.com/
[14:43] <ChaosR> hello people, for some reason my server thinks its a good idea (or just thinks its funny to annoy me) to go into standby mode, does anybody knows how this is possible, and how to disable it?
[14:44] <penguin42> ChaosR: Is it just a power management setting ? (A bit odd for a server, but maybe not if it started off as a desktop install)
[14:46] <ChaosR> I don't even know where to configure power management on a server, and there is no desktop environment installed
[14:46] <Mkools> I want to deploy .war file on tomcat6 for that I have created my own instance I have put up .war file in my instance's webapps directory but still not working. Any suggestions.
[14:46] <Mkools> Can any one please review my PATH settings.
[14:47] <penguin42> ChaosR: It does sound a bit unusual
[14:47] <Mkools> Also added virtual host in server.xml.
[14:47] <penguin42> ChaosR: Does it do it when idle or when busy or no difference?
[14:47] <ChaosR> no difference, and the only way to wake it is to press any key on the attached keyboard
[14:48] <penguin42> weird
[14:48] <Mkools> Using CATALINA_BASE:   /home/mukul/practimp.private
[14:48] <Mkools> Using CATALINA_HOME:   /usr/share/tomcat6
[14:48] <Mkools> Using CATALINA_TMPDIR: /home/mukul/practimp.private/temp
[14:48] <Mkools> Using JRE_HOME:       /usr
[14:48] <ChaosR> although it might have to with me leaving the ssh session idle
[14:48] <ChaosR> but that would be even more odd :P
[14:51] <ChaosR> what happens is that the screen blanks and the network connection is paused (but not dropped)
[14:51] <ChaosR> every new connection from my end to the server times out, and every existing connection will resume as soon as I return the server to the normal state
[14:53] <penguin42> ChaosR: It's sitting at the console?
[14:53] <ChaosR> penguin42: what do you mean?
[14:53] <penguin42> at the text console
[14:53] <ChaosR> yes, asking for user/pass
[14:55] <penguin42> you could try logging in on the console and doing setterm -powersave off  -blank 0           and I think that sohuld disable any monitor powersaving/blank (although I'm not 100% sure-blank 0 is the disable rather than instant!)
[14:55] <penguin42> at least if anything more subtle is happening it might let you see it
[14:56] <penguin42> ChaosR: Is there anything in the logs?
[14:56] <ChaosR> what logs specifically
[14:56] <penguin42>  /var/log/messages
[14:57] <ChaosR> nothing interesting
[14:58] <ChaosR> "possible SYN flooding on port 54289. Sending cookies.", but I guess thats just bittorrent
[15:03] <Mkools> hey can any one help.
[15:03] <ChaosR> penguin42: how can you see the current setterm settings?
[15:03] <ChaosR> Mkools: sorry, I know nothing about tomcat
[15:03] <sommer> ScottK: quick question about opendkim... does it just need to be installed like the older dkim-filter package?
[15:04] <penguin42> ChaosR: Not sure
[15:06] <ChaosR> stty -a does not show any of the power features
[15:10] <teddy> what is a cms for ubuntu-server that uses less memory and fast? I do not want to install joomla or drupal
[15:12] <penguin42> teddy: apt-cache search   is a good way of finding packages - e.g. apt-cache search cms   and then weed out things that are a different meaning of cms
[15:51] <penguin42> does anyone understand what drives /etc/init/bridge-network-interface.conf - I can see that I've got an instance called virtbr0 that must have come from kvm but I don't quite see how it got started (and similarly I don't see what started dnsmasq from libvirt)
[15:51] <penguin42> perhaps a more general question is how do multiple instances work in upstart
[16:00] <egsome> How to share a USB Printer connected to Ubuntu Server with another Ubuntu Computers ?
[16:01] <penguin42> make sure it is shared by cups
[16:01] <egsome> penguin42, how to do ?
[16:01] <penguin42> and then you should be able to give the ipp url of the printer to the other machine
[16:02] <penguin42> egsome: How have you configured it locally?
[16:02] <egsome> penguin42, using hp setup tool
[16:02] <penguin42> hmm, I've not got an hp printer so I'm not too sure what it does - are you running gnome?
[16:03] <egsome> penguin42, No, it's a server as i mentioned, and no Gnome installed there as there's no display device
[16:03] <penguin42> the hp setup tool is command line?
[16:03] <penguin42> ok
[16:03] <egsome> penguin42, yeah
[16:04] <penguin42> check /etc/cups/printers.conf
[16:04] <penguin42> shared should be Yes
[16:04] <egsome> penguin42, already set to Yes
[16:04] <penguin42> check cups is running, check /etc/cups/cupsd.conf allows remote printer sharing
[16:05] <hihihi100> can u help me with an IBUS issue?
[16:05] <egsome> penguin42, cups is running
[16:06] <penguin42> egsome: OK, it may or may not be setup to allow connections from remote machines, but I'd try it - the other machine should be able to browse that machine
[16:08] <egsome> penguin42, i can browse the machine, but i see a folder named "print$", and it ask for password, when i enter the password of my user on the server, it ask again ( means wrong )
[16:08] <penguin42> egsome: Oh, this is sharing to a windows box?
[16:08] <egsome> penguin42, No, All Ubuntu
[16:09] <penguin42> egsome: So in new printer go to network printer and then ipp and put in the host name there
[16:10] <egsome> penguin42, i got "This print share is not accessible."
[16:12] <penguin42> egsome: my guess is it's something in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf  but it's a while since I've fought it - I'd probably use a webbrowser on the serving machine and connect to localhost:631 and go through the config there (I think somehting like w3m or links should be enough)
[16:14] <egsome> penguin42, how to configure using that web interface ?
[16:19] <penguin42> egsome: I can't remember, it's quite a while since I did it - you might prefer to edit /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
[16:20] <penguin42> egsome: /var/log/cups/error_log is also useful to debug
[16:28] <ScottK> sommer: re opendkim, you'll also need to make the same config file changes as you had with dkim-milter.  Be sure to look at the sample as the options are not 100% identical (it's close).
[16:31] <egsome> penguin42, solved ! , only used http://www.cups.org/documentation.php/doc-1.4/sharing.html
[16:32] <penguin42> cool
[16:45] <Igramul> Hi, how can I install misdn in Ubuntu 10.04 server? There seem to be kernel modules (which are also loaded for my AVM FritzCard) but no tools to generate /etc/misdn.conf.
[16:48] <RoyK> Igramul: not using asterisk, are you?
[16:49] <Igramul> RoyK, I want to use asterisk.
[16:50] <RoyK> well, good luck
[16:50] <RoyK> I work with the crap for some years
[16:50] <RoyK> it's not good
[16:50] <RoyK> the misdn drivers are also buggy
[16:50] <RoyK> most of asterisk is buggy
[16:51] <RoyK> since digium doesn't really want to spend money on fixing the code
[16:53] <Igramul> Well, buggy software is used all over the world. I already have a prototype for my phone system. However, that's based on Ubuntu 9 server and chan-capi.
[16:53] <Igramul> Should I stick with chan-capi or use misdn?
[16:53] <RoyK> is Klaus Peter's code still alive? :)
[16:54] <RoyK> I guess capi will be better
[16:54] <RoyK> that is, I don't know
[16:54] <RoyK> I haven't been in that business for two years
[16:54] <RoyK> and I hope I won't go back there
[16:55] <Igramul> hmm - it's not for business in my case, I want to use it for the phone system in my new house.
[16:55] <RoyK> asterisk is a piece of shit
[16:55] <Igramul> Anything better in sight?
[16:55] <RoyK> freeswitch is probably better
[17:03] <funkyHat> RoyK: watch your language please ⢁)
[17:10] <RoyK> funkyHat: watch my hat
[17:10]  * funkyHat watches
[17:10] <RoyK> is funkyHat some sort of christian bot in here?
[17:11] <RoyK> last I checked I wasn't using any words not in the Oxford dictionary
[17:11] <ScottK> RoyK: No.  In Ubuntu channels we do prefer to keep language a bit milder that is common in non-Ubuntu channels.
[17:12] <RoyK> I keep my language to what's in the dictionary
[17:12] <funkyHat> RoyK: in Ubuntu channels we try to keep the discussion family friendly, that includes not swearing.
[17:12] <RoyK> if any religious prats want me to afrain from using the whole of it, be my guest
[17:14] <RoyK> how many kids are using ubuntu servers?
[17:14] <RoyK> and of those kids, which of them aren't used to "swearing"?
[17:15] <funkyHat> RoyK: this is not the proper place for discussion of the rules. If you want to do that please join #ubuntu-ops
[17:15] <ScottK> RoyK: You don't get a special exception from the rules.  There are adults that are uncomfortable with it too.  We want to be open to as broad an audience as possible.
[17:16] <RoyK> ScottK: so stopping people's mouths are opening up the scociety?
[17:16] <RoyK> is ubuntu religiously founded or something?
[17:16] <ScottK> RoyK: Your right to freedom of speech does not include the right to be an ass.
[17:16] <ScottK> No.
[17:16] <RoyK> being an ass is not the same as utilising the English language
[17:17] <RoyK> I didn't accuse anyone for anything
[17:17] <RoyK> I just said my meanings about a certain piece of software
[17:18] <RoyK> using other words won't make it better
[17:18] <RoyK> just worse
[17:19] <ScottK> RoyK: You could have communicated the same thing in other ways.
[17:19] <RoyK> why?
[17:20] <ScottK> Because using language that is offensive to some is not how we do things here.
[17:20]  * ScottK is done.
[17:20] <ScottK> As funkyHat said, this isn't the channel to debate the standards.
[17:20] <RoyK> it doesn't matter which words that are used
[17:53] <SuperLag> wow.
[19:58] <dthacker> Hello.  I've built a postfix server with virtual domains that gets it's account info from MySQL.   The last three users I've added have not had their virtual directories created under /home/vmail/example.org   I'd like to get a pointer to the component that's failing?
[20:02] <dominicdinada> !hostname
[20:07] <dominicdinada> !fstab
[20:16] <metalf88011> isn't there a command that will show me the path to a file?
[20:18] <metalf88011> never mind I was thinking of pwd...  I can't think straight right now
[20:35] <ne7work> hello all please someone help me with proftpd
[20:38]  * SpamapS waves magic wand over ne7work's proftpd
[20:38] <ne7work> SpamapS?
[20:38] <SpamapS> ne7work: well thats all I can do if I don't know what your issue is. :)
[20:39] <dominicdinada> ne7work: i see you asking in both channels whats the problem ne7work
[20:39]  * SpamapS actually must be going
[20:39] <SpamapS> bbl
[20:39]  * SpamapS is afk
[20:39] <ne7work> how to choose directory /var/www
[20:39] <ne7work> to home directory for ftp clients?
[20:40] <dominicdinada> your using proftpd ?
[20:40] <ne7work> dominicdinada yes
[20:40] <ne7work> i install proftpd
[20:40] <dominicdinada> also why would u wanna give the webroot as the home directory
[20:40] <ne7work> yes
[20:41] <dominicdinada> is this for your personal use in the home network to edit web files ?
[20:41] <dominicdinada> if so use samba
[20:41] <dominicdinada> !samba
[20:46] <dominicdinada> need a hand with fstab :/
[20:47] <sh1ny> dominicdinada, shoot, i'm not very good with it, but still :)
[20:47] <dominicdinada> well then Id rather wait i am trying to mount a fat32 external drive :)
[20:48] <dominicdinada> hopefully by drive label
[20:48] <sh1ny> so what's stopping you ?
[20:48] <ne7work> dominicdinada i have ftp user
[20:48] <ne7work> where i can see the password for user ftp
[20:50] <dominicdinada> you still missed my question ne7work if you are running a ftp-server pointing at your webroot it seems you are trying to set it up so you can remote edit or make files correct?
[20:50] <sh1ny> dominicdinada, you can see the device labels with blkid and mount it as vfat ?
[20:51] <dominicdinada> sh1ny: because I want to make sure I am getting the right line for fstab cause the server has no moniter/kb/mouse and if it goes down well...... you get the idea
[20:51] <sh1ny> http://www.technixupdate.com/mount-ntfs-fat32-windows-drive-in-ubuntu/
[20:51] <dominicdinada> not in fstab it needs to be mounted at boot... otherwise it requires a user login
[20:51] <sh1ny> mount -t vfat -o umask=000 /dev/sda1 /media/disk
[20:52] <dominicdinada> sh1ny again stop typing your missing the entire point... on server at reboot it doesnt even acknowledge the drive is there until a user logsin
[20:53] <sh1ny> dominicdinada, yea i get the idea, i support over a hundred debian/ubuntu servers ....
[20:53] <dominicdinada> so it needs to be loaded in fstab
[20:53] <sh1ny> well
[20:53] <sh1ny> the command i pasted above can be put in fstab accordingly ?
[20:53] <dominicdinada> ok
[20:54] <sh1ny> like the UUID ( you get it from blkid ) /mountpoint type options pass
[20:54] <sh1ny> so it will be like
[20:55] <sh1ny> UUID=6e94f1fc-e990-406b-a9f8-bc5f9c9981a9	/somewhere	vfat	umask=000	0	0
[20:56] <dominicdinada> /dev/sdb1: LABEL="meinna" UUID="A6B8AE51B8AE1FB3" TYPE="ntfs"
[20:56] <dominicdinada> !fstab
[20:57] <sh1ny> this is what i have for my windows partition
[20:57] <sh1ny> UUID=FE50CA0F50C9CF19	/media/disk	ntfs-3g	defaults,locale=en_US.utf8	0	0
[20:57] <sh1ny> works for me
[20:57] <dominicdinada> you dont need defaults.... right ?
[20:57] <dominicdinada> brb
[20:59] <SlipperyChicken> anyone looking at the prices of hard drives on Newegg.[com][ca] ?
[21:00] <SlipperyChicken> debating whether to get a cheap 1.5 or a WD/Seagate 2.0TB
[21:01] <sh1ny> first, i'd go with WD, then i am not sure how tested 2TB drives are atm
[21:01] <GoremanX> I have Ubuntu 10.04 setup as a test web hosting server that I'm evaluating for migrating our sites to. Our current server is Ubuntu 9.10. But this new server, while sitting idle, is giving me some strange load numbers (when I check "uptime"): load average: 0.76, 0.70, 0.66. The old 9.10 server never shows numbers that high. It's a single-core system.
[21:01] <SlipperyChicken> sh1ny, what about seagates 1.5 ?
[21:02] <sh1ny> SlipperyChicken, i am biased :)
[21:02] <dominicdinada> SlipperyChicken: www.pricewatch.com
[21:02] <SlipperyChicken> dominicdinada, noted.
[21:02] <sh1ny> SlipperyChicken, i use WD only, so far 1TB's , but as i use stuff for mission critical servers, i'd rather stick with things that are well tested
[21:03] <SlipperyChicken> samsung has a 1.5 for 105 CAD... like..
[21:03]  * SlipperyChicken sighs
[21:03] <dominicdinada> samsung i dont like
[21:03] <dominicdinada> the best drives i ever had were maxtor
[21:03] <SlipperyChicken> arn't they in those Dell PowerEdge server ?
[21:03] <sh1ny> SlipperyChicken, join the dark si...errr WD side :P
[21:04] <GoremanX> the most failed drives I've ever had were from Maxtor :) experiences vary greatly when it comes to hard drives
[21:04] <sh1ny> dominicdinada, did it work ?
[21:04] <dominicdinada> sh1ny i am also not impressed with WD either :(
[21:04] <SlipperyChicken> interesting how HD's becoming the ATI vs Intel debate.
[21:04] <GoremanX> my best experiences so far have always been with WD drives
[21:04] <dominicdinada> GoremanX: I say the same thing in regards to WD also most corrupted drives i ever owned so i went to all Maxtors
[21:04] <sh1ny> dominicdinada, lately i get hwraids blowing up way more often than the drives themselves :(
[21:04] <dominicdinada> HD debates have always been around
[21:05] <GoremanX> it's all a big lottery
[21:05] <SlipperyChicken> WD's green tech is pretty nifty.
[21:05] <sh1ny> dominicdinada, on the interesting side i have a samsung in my desktop, working 24/7 for the last 7 years...still 0 bad blocks
[21:05] <dominicdinada> depending on the enviroments and etc.... but ya Im pro Maxtor for live....
[21:05] <GoremanX> my 1 TB Green drive continues to function flawlessly as a backup recipient in my home server after 2 years
[21:05] <SlipperyChicken> anyone tried a "green" drive and benchmark it ?
[21:05] <dominicdinada> life*
[21:05] <GoremanX> it gets countless gigs written to it every day
[21:05] <sh1ny> so yea, to sum it up, it's 2 kinds of people - those with fried hdd's and those whos hdd's are about to fry :P
[21:06] <GoremanX> meanwhile, can someone help me with my Average Load issue? :)
[21:06] <sh1ny> GoremanX, what's causing the load ?
[21:06] <GoremanX> I have no clue, the system is idle
[21:06] <GoremanX> top shows nothing
[21:06] <sh1ny> GoremanX, i still haven't upgraded my servers to lucid , i usually wait till mid summer
[21:06] <dominicdinada> sh1ny: maybe me being anti Samsung came years back when they were horrible drives and chose never to use them again after losing entire drives
[21:06] <GoremanX> well, nothing interesting
[21:07] <dominicdinada> but on the brighter note when my WD drives went down I could at least externally access them to get the data
[21:07] <guntbert> GoremanX: "top shows nothing" but top shows the same system load values?
[21:07] <sh1ny> GoremanX, hm , no idea, as far as my testing goes, i only know that lucid behaves weird when run in KVM on a karmic host, that's all :(
[21:08] <GoremanX> they're EC2 instances. I have monitoring enabled. The 10.04's monitor shows almost no CPU activity, but the "load average" reported by uptime is consistently in the 0.75 range
[21:08] <SlipperyChicken> dominicdinada, i've got some data at home that needs to be redundant, basicly putting all my work docs, media, vm's, everyhting into a raid.  would it be most cost effective to get one descent drive (WD 2,0TB) and a cheaper samsung 2.0 to back up to.... or get 2x 1.5's that are medium and keep them in RAID-1 all the time ?  Opinions open to all. :)
[21:09] <GoremanX> meanwhile, the instance has 1.7 GB of ram, and apparently only 300 MB of that is free despite the server sitting idle
[21:09] <dominicdinada> SlipperyChicken: well i dont know why that was towards me but you shouldnt backup everything to  1 drive :/ kinda defeats the purpose because if that 1 drive fails you still loose everything
[21:10] <SlipperyChicken> GoremanX, take your used subtract your cached from it.  that will be you actual in use RAM.
[21:10] <SlipperyChicken> i think.
[21:10] <sh1ny> SlipperyChicken, never, and by that i mean NEVER get cheap stuff for backup
[21:10] <sh1ny> SlipperyChicken, i learned that the hard way, so i don't recommend it to anyone
[21:10] <SlipperyChicken> dominicdinada, sh1ny, agreed.
[21:10] <GoremanX> ah, that makes a little more sense. Forgot about the cached memory
[21:11] <dominicdinada> sh1ny: you can also make hard copies ie DVD's
[21:11] <sh1ny> SlipperyChicken, if you really have to, make sure it's on a pc that doesn't spin all the time
[21:11] <sh1ny> dominicdinada, agreed, i use tape for that where appropirate
[21:11] <dominicdinada> unless your working with CAD, Movie software, etc 4.7gigs is alot to back up docs etc...
[21:11] <dominicdinada> sh1ny tape is so 80s
[21:11] <SlipperyChicken> sh1ny, it's going to be a little homemade NAS box, hopefully be able to spin the drives down.
[21:12] <dominicdinada> tape = 30hds backup/restore    ungodly slow
[21:12] <dominicdinada> 30hrs*
[21:12] <sh1ny> dominicdinada, tape is standards and i got companies that must comply with their rules and standards
[21:12] <GoremanX> top - 16:11:52 up 16:00,  1 user,  load average: 0.94, 0.83, 0.74
[21:12] <GoremanX> Tasks: 107 total,   1 running, 106 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
[21:12] <sh1ny> GoremanX, 0.94 is pretty low loadavg :P
[21:12] <dominicdinada> sh1ny dvd would write the data 100% faster
[21:12] <sh1ny> dominicdinada, i agree
[21:12] <GoremanX> I thought 1.0 was maxed out core
[21:12] <sh1ny> dominicdinada, but most of the time the choice is not mine
[21:12] <dominicdinada> sh1ny also with tape you run risk to damage of the tapes
[21:13] <GoremanX> my 9.10 instance consistently shows 0.15 or less
[21:13] <dominicdinada> sh1ny: you could suggest a new technology to them :)
[21:13] <SlipperyChicken> i recently took on the responsibilty of the head admin at this company i work for.
[21:13] <SlipperyChicken> asked them if they tested their tapes.
[21:13] <dominicdinada> think of all the cost savings.... time saved
[21:13] <SlipperyChicken> they didn't.
[21:13] <sh1ny> dominicdinada, not when you use new tapes every time then post them to a bank deposit safe :S
[21:13] <SlipperyChicken> so i checked them....
[21:13] <SlipperyChicken> 4 of 5 had bacd blocks.
[21:13] <SlipperyChicken> bad *
[21:14] <sh1ny> hehe
[21:14] <dominicdinada> SlipperyChicken: well we all know the lesson learned tape backups are outdated and often unreliable
[21:14] <SlipperyChicken> tapes just can't do it anymore.
[21:14] <SlipperyChicken> indeed.
[21:14] <SlipperyChicken> you drop them on the floor and they're prolly junk.
[21:15] <sh1ny> ok , bedtime for me, have a good night
[21:15] <dominicdinada> dvds are a cheap and reliable solution provided you use proper care IE dont have a stack of dvd's sitting there burn and put each into its own jewel case and protect
[21:15] <SlipperyChicken> meanwhile, my 16GB usb has gone through the wash 3 times... and still works.
[21:15] <SlipperyChicken> dominicdinada, they don't last long.
[21:16] <guntbert> GoremanX: no, 0.94 is not maxed out in any way (even on a single core) but I agree that the value is high for an idle machine - I once was able to explain, but today ....
[21:16] <dominicdinada> SlipperyChicken: what doesnt last long ?
[21:16] <SlipperyChicken> 5 years or something ?
[21:16] <guntbert> !ot | SlipperyChicken, dominicdinada
[21:17] <dominicdinada> guntbert: we are talking about server backups and what should be used
[21:17]  * SlipperyChicken sighs
[21:17] <GoremanX> I'm a bit concerned about migrating my sites to a server that's behaving this oddly
[21:17] <dominicdinada> GoremanX: like you said you wait till summer and it should be fixed by then
[21:18]  * GoremanX looks out window... looks like summer to me! :)
[21:18] <guntbert> GoremanX: it might be better anyway to wait until the first "point" release comes out (should be around july, I heard)
[21:18] <GoremanX> *sigh* I was really looking forward to running php 5.3 :(
[21:19] <GoremanX> oh well
[21:19] <dominicdinada> GoremanX: poor guy :)
[21:20] <GoremanX> thanks for the feedback!
[21:20] <elspru> how do I check to see if postfix is working?
[21:20] <SlipperyChicken> one final question:  right now ... 1.0TB , 1.5TB, 2.0TB to last for at least 1 year.  which one everyone ? :)
[21:20] <elspru> like send or receive an email?
[21:22] <elspru> SlipperyChicken: the lower density, the longer life expectancy, general rule
[21:22] <dominicdinada> SlipperyChicken: how often are you doing backups and what kind of backups ? full or ?
[21:28] <dominicdinada> !devicekit
[21:28] <dominicdinada> !udisk
[21:32] <SlipperyChicken> dominicdinada, weekly diff.
[21:33] <SlipperyChicken> if i put a drive into existing RAID.
[21:33] <Jenni0> hi
[21:33] <Jenni0> our admin group got removed from /etc/sudoers by accident
[21:33] <Jenni0> how can we get sudo? :p
[21:34] <SlipperyChicken> Jenni0, log in with root
[21:34] <SlipperyChicken> or boot into single user.
[21:34] <Jenni0> i thought root was disabled on ubuntu
[21:34] <Jenni0> only sudo users?
[21:34] <SlipperyChicken> not if you boot into single.
[21:34] <SlipperyChicken> it bypasses.
[21:34] <Jenni0> root doesnt have a password...
[21:34] <Jenni0> how can we login
[21:34] <elspru> so any idea how to test postfix?
[21:34] <SlipperyChicken> it won't ask you for one.
[21:35] <elspru> like how to send mail using it from command line?
[21:35] <SlipperyChicken> elspru, mutt.
[21:35] <SlipperyChicken> or mail -s "blah"
[21:47] <poningru> elspru, telnet into 25
[21:47] <poningru> and then speak smtp to it
[21:51] <elspru> hmm well it doesn't work
[21:52] <elspru> i didn't receive the email
[21:53] <dominicdinada> !udisks
[21:54] <elspru> so where are the logs kept?
[21:54] <elspru> i'm having a tough time finding them.
[21:54] <elspru> for postfix
[21:54] <elspru> is there any easy way of getting a mail server working on ubuntu?
[21:55] <elspru> maybe there are simpler more reliable mail servers? that work
[22:10] <xomp> hi, I was instructed to ask my question in here so here goes :) could someone please help me with SFTP'ing into my ubuntu VPS? I'm getting an error in WinSCP of http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/323/sftp.jpg
[22:16] <elspru> xomp: try putty http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html
[22:16] <xomp> I can use putty to SSH into the server fine
[22:16] <elspru> psftp
[22:16] <xomp> it's just when I try to use WinSCP to SFTP into it is where the problem comes :(
[22:16] <elspru> well scp is different from sftp
[22:17] <xomp> oh ok
[22:18] <xomp> "Out of Memory" error when trying to use psftp
[22:18] <elspru> check your hardisk, and that of the serve,r, to see which is "out of memory"
[22:19] <xomp> everywhere I turn it points to some sort of .login or .profile issue
[22:19] <xomp> there is plenty of resources on the server
[22:24] <xomp> I guess there is no figuring this one out
[22:25] <xomp> tried touch ~/.hushlogin
[22:25] <xomp> same thing
[22:25] <xomp> out of memory
[22:25] <elspru> hmmm
[22:25] <elspru> might be permision on ~/.profile
[22:25] <elspru> or ~/.login
[22:26] <elspru> needs to be writeable
[22:26] <xomp> I actually don't have a ~/.login
[22:26] <xomp> -rw-r--r--  1 root root  141 Oct 20  2007 .profile
[22:26] <elspru> sometimes when it can't write, it claims it's full
[22:26] <f1yback> xomp, I have noticed winscp has some bugs
[22:26] <f1yback> also about a 2-3 meg/sec transfer speed limit
[22:26] <elspru> xomp: ya certainly seems like permission issue
[22:26] <xomp> f1yback, happens in WinSCP, psftp, Filezilla :(
[22:26] <f1yback> oh
[22:27] <elspru> unless that's the root users .profile
[22:27] <xomp> elspru, it's the root users .profile :3
[22:27] <xomp> Oct 20 2007 though?
[22:27] <elspru> it's okay then
[22:27] <xomp> I just signed up with this host yesterday lol
[22:28] <elspru> well then get them to fix it :-). even if server has lots of resources, doesn't mean you've been allocated much.
[22:28] <xomp> they won't fix because it's an unmanaged server :P
[22:29] <xomp> I guess I can live with not having SFTP access and edit files for the 2 websites I run all via command line making it such a cumbersome chore that I'll likely kill my whole family over out of pure frustration :P
[22:29] <elspru> so did you try psftp.exe?
[22:29] <xomp> or try to use their god awful filemanager to edit small files and pray it doesn't hang on uploading :/
[22:30] <xomp> elspru, yeah, got out of memory error with it too
[22:30] <xomp> Filezilla also uses psftp.exe for it's SFTP connections and it throws the same error too
[22:30] <elspru> hmmm, well it seems like a server side issue.
[22:30] <elspru> sftp might have been disabled.
[22:31] <elspru> can try resinstalling openssh and restoring default config files
[22:31] <xomp> The error message seems to indicate that the service is not properly configured on the server.
[22:31] <xomp> Yes, You will have to contact your server admin to resolve this issue as we do not provide technical support for unmanaged services.
[22:31] <xomp> I am the server admin :3
[22:31] <elspru> so reinstall
[22:31] <xomp> would a reinstall really work you think?
[22:32] <elspru> did you install it?
[22:32] <xomp> no, it was installed already
[22:32] <elspru> so it might help, especially if someone was using it beforehand.
[22:32] <xomp> ok, how would I reinstall it?
[22:32] <elspru> it would be good to have a fresh installation for yourself anyhow.
[22:33] <xomp> it should have been a fresh install to be honest
[22:33] <xomp> it's an unmanaged ubuntu VPS heh
[22:33] <elspru> sudo apt-get remove openssh-server; sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[22:34] <xomp> ok it's reinstalled :)
[22:34] <xomp> lets see what this gets us
[22:34] <xomp> argh.. exact same thing :(
[22:35] <xomp> oh wait
[22:35] <xomp> it failed in WinsSCP but is working with Filezilla/psFTP :D
[22:36] <xomp> oh wait now
[22:36] <xomp> no*
[22:36] <xomp> Error:	Out of memory!
[22:36] <xomp> Error:	Could not connect to server
[22:36] <xomp> I connected to my other working VPS and thought it was fixed earlier haha
[22:40] <xomp> looking at ~/.bashrc for my working VPS compared to this new non-working VPS shows them to be identical
[22:41] <xomp> so it shouldn't be a .bashrc issue
[22:42] <xomp> same exact .profile between the 2 servers too haha
[22:43] <xomp> sorry if I sound a bit frustrated, I've been trying to fix this for the past 11 hours now and have made no progress at all
[22:43] <xomp> 10 hours spent waiting in #ubuntu for someone to help while trying to research it on google myself :(
[22:55] <f1yback> CANUCK
[22:55] <f1yback> CANUCK
[22:55] <jpds> f1yback: Hi.
[22:55] <f1yback> hi
[23:06] <enav> i got noob question   when i run  ls-l  on terminal....  what is the meaning of the "d"  on this output   drwxr-xr-x
[23:06] <jpds> directory.
[23:08] <enav> is just and indicarto really?
[23:08] <enav> indicator
[23:08] <jpds> Yep.
[23:08] <enav> d for directoryes and  -   for  files
[23:08] <enav> thanks mate
[23:09] <jpds> l for symlinks, etc.