[02:19] lWhy is there something like abs_builddir in Makefiles? After distribution they'd be worthless, right? [03:22] Hello? [05:34] acpi=off .... how to make stick in 10.04 LL? [05:36] !grub2 | myodisk [05:36] myodisk: GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since Karmic. For more information and troubleshooting on GRUB2 please refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2 [05:36] myodisk: add it to the kernel line after splash [05:38] I have one install (laptop) with /boot/grub/menu.lst and a desktop with out. Why no list? [05:38] (why no menu.lst) [05:39] GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since Karmic - means it is set up diff - it uses grub.cfg [05:40] but grub.cfg gets rewritten with kernel upgrades according to the files mentioned in the bot link [05:40] ahhh...... laptop was upgraded to 10.04 desktop was fresh install... Hmmmmm [05:40] lappy should have grub2 then as well [05:41] is there a grub.cfg on the lappy too [05:41] OK... awesome!! now I have some hope!! Thanks very much! [05:42] np :] === nikolam_ is now known as nikolam [07:19] how much space does xubuntu need? [07:19] !requirements [07:19] Hardware requirements to install, boot and comfortably use Xubuntu are listed at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingXubuntu [07:21] mufasis: you asked the same thing on #archlinux - just trolling or looking for genuine usable info? [07:23] i only have a laptop right now and it has an 80gb ssd drive [07:23] looking at some different distros [07:23] looking to really learn more about linux [07:23] cant figure out what i want to start on [07:23] =/ [07:23] any opinions [07:24] !manual [07:24] The Ubuntu Manual will help you become familiar with everyday tasks such as surfing the web, listening to music and scanning documents. With an emphasis on easy to follow instructions, it is suitable for all levels of experience. http://ubuntu-manual.org/ [07:24] read that [07:24] k - you can use about 2.5G as an absolute minimum with xubuntu - no room for anything else - you might like to try dsl if space is an issue [07:25] moe what do you use? [07:25] mufasis: I use a minimal ubuntu with xfce and arch on my lappy [07:25] !minimal [07:25] The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD [07:26] but you need to know at least the basics of linux [07:28] i dont know much simple things like how to move around directories make directories delete files stuff like that [07:29] you said you use minimal ubuntu with xfce isnt that xubuntu? [07:29] mufasis: go with a normal disto until you learn - xubuntu would be best in that regard [07:30] mufasis: almost - but I select diff apps from some xubuntu ones [07:33] does xubuntu come with a minimal install ? [07:33] A friend of mine *points to Rydian* is having Audio issues with a Wubi install of Xubuntu. You can find the information needed here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1478503 he is describing it as "less latency and more popping" [07:33] mufasis: all *buntus come with the minimal - then diff desktop environments are added [07:34] 'Cause it had a bunch of latency before I removed pulseaudio. ^^; [07:34] heh [07:34] intel audio? [07:34] Yeap, it would be Intel AC79 [07:35] no im saying like is there a minimal net install for xubuntu [07:36] mufasis: earlier I did !minimal to show about that - that's what I started with [07:36] !minimal [07:37] The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD [07:37] *facepalm* Ignore my statement. Sorry. [07:37] It's an FIC AU31 motherboard, nForce2 chipset, I assume the audio is Intel, the wikipedia page on AC97 states so. ^^; [07:38] lspci | grep Audio will tell [07:39] Says "Nvidia Corporation". [07:42] I know nothing about that- what's the full output from lspci | grep Audio ? [07:43] 00:05.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce Audio Processing Unit (rev a2) [07:43] 00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 AC97 Audio Controler (MCP) (rev a1) [07:43] two cards? - that might cause the issue [07:44] which is selected as the default? [07:46] It's onboard and I have no addition sound card, odd. I don't know how to see which one is the default, could you please tell me? [07:47] click the sound icon in the top panel - it might be a right click to see [07:50] Ah, I don't have that icon... it may have something to do with the packages I read to remove/reinstall as part of the troubleshooting steps (listed in the forum thread). Mixer reports "NVidia nForce2 (Alsa mixer)" and "Realtek ALC650F (OSS Mixer)", though the Realtek entry lists far fewer options. [07:51] Ah, turns out I removed that icon when editing the panels. ^^; It reports both of those as well, with the nForce2 one first. [07:56] it seems that card uses the intel hd driver - in the file /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf do you have a line options snd-hda-intel power_save=10 power_save_controller=N ? [07:58] No, I do not. [07:58] k [07:59] next step is lsmod | grep snd [07:59] !paste [07:59] !bot [07:59] thebotisdead... [08:00] http://paste.ubuntu.com pls [08:00] http://paste.ubuntu.com/434229/ [08:01] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [08:01] Hi! I'm ubottu's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins [08:01] yep - that is as should been - have you done an update lately? [08:02] well done ubottu - better late then never [08:02] sudo apt-get ipdate && sudo apt-get upgrade [08:02] Will do, thank you. [08:02] sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade [08:03] seems to be an lod bug... [08:03] old even [08:04] Apparently there's no updates. [08:04] o [08:05] well I'm outta ideas... - not h/ware - tried diff speakers? [08:06] Yes, no change. The thing is some applications have latency issues, and some don't. [08:08] maybe someone else has experienced something similar - you should ask again in a bit or try in #ubuntu - seems strange it is some apps but not others... [08:08] I ran SNES9X (which allows choosing the sound system it uses) to test things, right now PortAudio and Open Sound System play fine. SDL and ALSA play with some latency and cause some gameplay lag, and pulseaudio plays nothing (I removed it as a troubleshooting step, which fixed a bunch of the latency, but not all). [08:09] I've had a thread on the ubuntu forums I've been keeping bumped for the past six days, nobody's posted even once. :( [08:09] pulseaudio both blos and sux [08:10] you can use oss as the default [08:10] Seems so, multiple people that I'd normally go straight to for linux problems don't want to touch pulseaudio with a 20-foot pole. [08:11] most suggest it is easiest to remove it [08:11] I can switch the overall system to use OSS? [08:11] from the panel applet is easiest [08:11] !oss [08:12] I'm not sure what you mean. [08:12] the sound icon in the top panel you have removed? - it lets you select alsa or oss if both are installed iirc [08:13] Ahhh, I thought that only changed which controls were present on-screen (and in the panel). ^^; [08:15] I never use it or the panel here so... [08:15] but I never have sound issues [08:22] Okay. The latency issue was mostly fixed by removing pulseaudio (yay!), though I'm getting some popping in audio. ^^; [08:25] ubottu: !sound | last thing I know about it [08:25] last thing I know about it: If you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !players and !mp3. [08:26] hrm [08:27] weird actually seeing "i386" on one of my systems [08:27] err, wrong channel. Sorry folks [08:27] heh [09:33] hello [09:34] hello [09:35] hello [09:36] mufasis: decide on a installation yet? [09:36] j'ai xubuntu depuis peu, j'ai des pbs pour désinstaller un programme correctement / [09:37] !fr [09:37] Ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en francais, merci de rejoindre #ubuntu-fr, ou #ubuntu-qc. Merci. [09:37] tyur: ^^ [09:38] sorry !! ;-) [09:38] it's not a prob tyur :] [09:39] no thanks bye ! === ManicMalkavian is now known as _Techie_ === _Techie_ is now known as ManicMalkavian === ManicMalkavian is now known as MalkavianManiac === nikolam_ is now known as nikolam === m00se is now known as Dilbert === Dilbert is now known as m00se [12:30] I upgraded to 10.04 and now clicking on Applications doesn't work [12:32] FreeFull, try to readd the panel plugin [12:32] Nope, it still doesn't work [12:33] FreeFull, have you tried killing panel and rerunning it? [12:33] Yes [12:33] The rest of the panel works fine [12:35] if you right click the desktop do you get a usable menu showing applications? [12:35] Doesn't show applications [12:36] you can access apps tho? - i might have remembered it wrong [12:36] No [12:39] I wonder if menu is still installed - try sudo update-menus in terminal FreeFull [12:41] moetunes: Worked, didn't give any messages [12:42] FreeFull: so clicking on applications gives a menu? [12:42] No [12:42] I meant the command terminated successfully [12:42] k [12:43] I wonder if the .desktop files aren't executable - is the application entry a .desktop file knome ? [12:45] FreeFull: does right click on applications give a menu to configure it? [12:46] Yes, but I couldn't do anything to make it work [12:47] Let me check .desktop files [12:47] They still work [12:48] mnight i suggest posting the output of a "ls -l -a" on the panel folders [12:48] MalkavianManiac: all help appreciated :] [12:49] so ls -a .config/xfce4/panel then [12:49] so ls -la .config/xfce4/panel then I meant [12:50] No such file or directory [12:50] Oh wait [12:50] moetunes, just to be sure when refering to items in the home directory use ~/ as users may not necessarily be in their home dir [12:50] Did it in wrong dir [12:50] well picked up MalkavianManiac [12:50] ls -la ~/.config/xfce4/panel [12:51] Going to pastebin it [12:51] k [12:51] default to open terminal is in ~ afaik [12:51] I didn't even notice until now, because I've been using alt+f2 and didn't run much [12:52] without a menu I can appreciate that [12:52] http://pastebin.com/7L28L6tk [12:53] moetunes, can you please check those file permissions against yours, im in win7 atm [12:55] What was the keyboard shortcut to open the applications menu? Should try that too [12:55] here the file permissions are the same [12:56] heh - I'm on my dapper server atm... [12:59] Any ideas? [13:00] Never had this happen to me before, and I started using Xubuntu when it was 6.10 [13:00] I wonder if TheSheep is awake ? [13:01] to help sort out the menu [13:02] FreeFull: in terminal do xfce4 and hit the tab button twice - an option for a menu? [13:02] I have xfce4-panel here but not xfce [13:02] xfce4-popup-menu [13:02] try that but it is unlikely to be the one afaik [13:03] I tried it, terminated without doing anything [13:04] expected it - the popup menu is a diff thing [13:04] there's something definitely wrong if there's no menu on right click [13:05] You mean that there is no applications when you right click on the desktop? [13:05] try moving ~/.config/xfce4 to ~/.config/xfce4-bak then logout/login to make a new .config/xfce4 [13:06] FreeFull: yep - end of the right click menu should have applications [13:06] According to the xfce4-popup-menu manpage, "xfce4-popup-menu - shows the Xfce Menu" [13:06] moetunes: Ok, I'm going to try that [13:07] luck [13:08] Didn't work, all that changed was the theme [13:09] Maybe I should delete .config/menus/applications.menu [13:09] might be a go [13:11] Nope, didn't work [13:12] one min I'll try google [13:13] i love that, when a tech is helping someone, google is considered a last resort === m00se is now known as testestestestest === testestestestest is now known as m00se [13:14] who says I'm a tech? ;] [13:14] i do [13:15] from the right click menu is there an option for desktop settings? [13:15] my desktop image is gone and the icons are messed up. how do i restart the program that manages that? [13:15] [ too much stuff open to be worth the effort of logging out and back in ] [13:16] sudo killall thunar && thunar [13:16] andai: xfdesktop & in terminal might do it [13:16] moetunes: Yes. [13:16] thunar: no process found [13:16] lol [13:17] hrmm, that must be ubuntu [13:17] hm? [13:17] FreeFull: from here - http://orderweb.co.za/linuxshop/xubuntu/ - there is a way to start the menu in there [13:17] xfdesktop & worked tho thanks :D [13:17] woot! [13:17] lol but it died when i closed the terminal [13:17] but restarted [13:17] hm [13:17] andai: Use alt-f2 and [13:18] yeah [13:18] the & means it should run seperate from the terminal [13:19] yeah [13:19] which is why i was like lolwtf when it didn't [13:19] moetunes: That website doesn't say anything about my problem [13:19] heh [13:19] FreeFull: What's your problem? [13:19] & means that it runs in the background, but it is still the child process of your shell [13:19] The net result was that I had to right click on the desktop and choose Desktop Settings from the existing menu to enable the desktop menu [13:19] moetunes: I already did that [13:19] Didn't work [13:20] FreeFull: that was the bit i read [13:22] FreeFull: last shot killall -v xfce4-panel && xfce4-panel & [13:23] show any errors? [13:23] ** (xfce4-menu-plugin:4649): WARNING **: xfdesktop: Could not locate a menu definition file [13:23] there you go - nothing we did would have worked [13:24] so we need a menu definition file [13:24] sudo update-menus terminates with no errors [13:25] Maybe I should delete .config/menus/applications.menu - might have just needed to move it... [13:25] I have a backup, let's try that [13:26] it might have a copt in /etc/xfce [13:26] ohh well done :] [13:27] Still getting the same error [13:32] can you paste that file pls FreeFull ? [13:32] Last time I checked, wasn't there a global menu file that included the local file? [13:33] Or was it the other way round [13:34] Ah, other way round [13:34] http://pastebin.com/AEvtPtiF [13:34] afaik it looks in /etc the home [13:34] "/etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu" [13:34] There is no applications.menu in that directory [13:35] okay, time for me to get 5 hours sleep.. night everyone [13:35] /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu - is where it seems to bork [13:35] night MalkavianManiac [13:35] wish you luck FreeFull [13:36] FreeFull: in /usr/share is there an xfce4 folder with it in [13:37] There is an xfce4 folder, but doesn't have an applications.menu [13:37] k I'll boot my xfce lappy for it [13:40] !paste [13:40] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [13:43] FreeFull: http://paste.ubuntu.com/434365/ [13:43] for the xdg menu [13:44] Thanks [13:46] Doesn't work :/ [13:49] Hmm, http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2008-September/024993.html [13:50] chmod +x the file [13:51] Doesn't do anything [13:52] If I try to run xfce4-appfinder, I get Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-vcDxZVZpNo: Connection refused [13:52] aborting... [13:52] It works if I run it as sudo [13:52] s/as/with/ [13:58] tmp is root owned so yep [13:59] tmp can be written to by normal users [14:01] right click on the desktop - desktop settings - menus tab se;ect show applications menu on right click - nothing changes? [14:02] I already had that [14:02] k [14:08] is there a xfce4-menu file in .config/xfce4/panel FreeFull ? [14:09] Yes [14:11] and killing/restarting the panel with the file added to /etc/xdg did nothing? hmmm [14:14] I found out apparently there is a /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/menus/xfce-applications.menu [14:14] the /etc/xdg/menusxfce-applications.menu file should not be executable - my bad FreeFull [14:16] The menu plugin disappears from panel when I set the file to that though [14:16] Let me check for system upgrades [14:17] disappears when it is set not executable? [14:17] No, when I set the custom menu to /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/menus/xfce-applications.menu [14:20] gksudo update-manager gives me an error [14:21] I would just try sudo apt-get update [14:22] Hmm [14:25] Apparently I didn't have the newest version of libboost, because it was held for some reason [14:25] Using aptitude [14:27] I mean I'm using aptitude right now to fix it [14:27] k [14:30] Going to try messing around with dbus too [14:31] what makes you think dbus is involved if it isn't a rude question? [14:34] I've been getting dbus socket errors [14:34] Eg. when running xfce4-appfinder (didn't work without sudo, and uses libxfce4menu( [14:35] k [14:38] Hey, I managed to fix it somehow [14:38] well done :] [14:39] Either restarting dbus or choosing Xubuntu Session at the login screen did it [14:39] prob the session thing [14:39] as a guess === hhlp is now known as hhlp|work [14:41] I read that the position of the menu file was hardcoded in karmic, but changed in lucid [14:41] I'm going to remove the old session files === hhlp|work is now known as hhlp [15:03] Thanks for the help === jcfp is now known as Guest37155 === Guest37155 is now known as jcfp` === jcfp` is now known as jcfp`` === m00se is now known as SP11 === SP11 is now known as m00se [17:14] hi [17:37] hi I need help in xubuntu 10.04 to install hamachi please [17:45] hey i need help to use a .DAT installation guide on xubuntu 10.04 please [17:47] huevolin1990: what is hamachi; where is the package from? [17:47] hamachi is a VPN's program [17:47] i dont know exactly the origin, but there is a script [17:47] u use to install it [17:47] its a .dat file [17:48] and i can't run it as a program [17:48] it should start with the shell [18:01] just upgraded 9.10 to 10.04 and now it boots to a blank screen and now shows out of range. the xorg.conf files are the same. i think it may be video driver based because i was not using the ATI Raedon drivers on 9.10 due to an install problem with the drivers. how can i get it to just boot with a generic video driver? [18:03] ????? [18:18] just upgraded 9.10 to 10.04 and now it boots to a blank screen and now shows out of range. the xorg.conf files are the same. i think it may be video driver based because i was not using the ATI Raedon drivers on 9.10 due to an install problem with the drivers. how can i get it to just boot with a generic video driver? [18:42] @deci testing [18:42] //help [18:43] test [18:46] !patience [18:46] Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org while you wait. [18:47] Sometimes you have more people in other channels, so you might want to try #ubuntu [19:49] Guys, can you assist me with that bash script http://paste.ubuntu.com/434502/ , i want to reduce mp3 files bitrate but i dont know how to transfer id3 tags to converted files. [20:57] is this xubuntu room????? [20:57] this is Xubuntu support, yes [20:58] cool finally! :D [20:58] i just wanted to know how can mount a fat32 drive [20:58] i'm on 8.04 [20:59] is this the right place to ask? :$ [20:59] yup [20:59] !samba | soona86 [20:59] soona86: Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT. [21:00] Guys, can you assist me with that bash script http://paste.ubuntu.com/434502/ , i want to reduce mp3 files bitrate but i dont know how to transfer id3 tags to converted files. [21:00] Sorry for that repeat ;} [21:00] soona86: as far as I recall, in 8.04 you will need to use samba [21:00] oozy: no problem [21:00] I don't have an answer for you, though [21:01] Huh, ok :} [21:01] samba...i see..will i find that @ add/remove? [21:01] soona86, what is this drive? An external drive, connecting via USB? [21:02] no it's a drive on my hard disk [21:02] ahhh [21:04] i found some terminal codes for mounting...but the problem is i can't get it to auto-mount..i installed the device manager and it did auto mount the drive but the non-english filenames weren't displayed right [21:04] soona86, OH so it does show up but the filenames are garbled? [21:05] What language are the names in, soona86? [21:05] yeah, file names like this = ?????? ?? ???? [21:06] they are in arabic. it's funny that i could manage to mount other (ntfs) drives and they show the filenames correctly, but this one..i still can't find a way [21:07] So, you already have Arabic language support installed, soona86? [21:07] yeah [21:08] can i send the fdisk terminal report here? [21:09] every time my computer starts up, google chrome starts up, and its not even selected in the startup programs. how do i change this? [21:09] !pastebin | soona86 [21:10] soona86: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [21:13] soona86, you may want to make sure you have all ar support. Check this one out: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=873864 [21:14] Disk /dev/sda: 80.0 GB, 80026361856 bytes [21:14] 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9729 cylinders [21:14] Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes [21:14] Disk identifier: 0x3c0a3c0a [21:14] Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System [21:14] /dev/sda1 * 1 1828 14683378+ 7 HPFS/NTFS [21:14] /dev/sda2 1829 5092 26218080 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) [21:14] /dev/sda3 5093 9728 37238670 7 HPFS/NTFS [21:17] i think i installed all these language support files..i clicked on apps>>system>>language support>>then i clicked on arabic..isn't this correct? [21:17] soona86, in the future, you paste that into the pastebin page and then give us that link. [21:17] oh [21:17] every time my computer starts up, google chrome starts up, and its not even selected in the startup programs. how do i change this? [21:17] hehe [21:17] sorry i thought that is how it works.. [21:18] like this : http://paste.ubuntu.com/434540/plain/ [21:18] ? [21:20] Yes [21:20] yeah [21:20] okay [21:20] so what about mounting the drive? [21:21] Can you read the files in the terminal? [21:21] i have other drives contains files in arabic and they are fine....but the problem is with this certain drive [21:21] ...the filenames in the terminal, soona86? [21:21] oh...how can i read the files? [21:21] just give me the command line [21:21] and i'll do it [21:21] :) [21:21] Ummm...is it mounted now? [21:21] yep [21:22] the D and the E [21:22] D is the one with the problem [21:22] Are you familiar with the terminal, soona86? [21:22] well, not so much...actually not at all! :$ :$ :$ [21:23] i just understood some sudo mount lines...but just this line nothing more.. [21:23] You know the "cd" command and the "ls" command? [21:23] oh and i made a directory! :D [21:23] LOL, nice! [21:23] lol :D [21:24] You know the "cd" command and the "ls" command, soona86? [21:24] hmmm all i know is what cd stands for...it stands for change directory [21:25] but don't know how to type the full command line [21:25] :$ [21:25] this is so embarrassing [21:25] :$ [21:25] Okay, another thing you can try is seeing the names in Firefox...in the web address bar type: [21:25] yes? [21:25] file:///path/to/D [21:26] and see if you get a listing of files in FF [21:26] i see..but not google chrome [21:26] ummm...let's stick with FF for right now [21:27] what do path, to, D stand for? [21:28] i mean...should i replace them with things on my hard drive? [21:28] soona86, I do not know where your D drive is attached to...only you do [21:28] yeah i see [21:28] It should be possible to do this, right: Ubuntu 8.04 -> Xubuntu 8.04.1 (through installing xubuntu-desktop from the xubuntu alternate cd) -> Xubuntu 10.04? [21:29] done [21:29] Kuwanger: You have to also remove ubuntu-desktop [21:29] charlie-tca: Yea. I did that. [21:30] there's an arabic filename and it's shown like this : ??????? ???? ????? ????? [21:30] Are you upgrading live? [21:30] You will need to make sure you run updates, to have all the files up to date [21:30] soona86, if it is doing that in FF as well and you have ar support I am out of ideas. :( [21:31] soona86, I would recommend upgrading to 10.04 [21:31]