/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/05/17/#kubuntu-devel.txt

ScottKDid we discuss switching from kcm-touchpad to synaptiks?00:18
JontheEchidnaNot at UDS, but it would be a good idea to do so00:22
JontheEchidnaIt needs a few tweaks, though00:22
JontheEchidnaLike currently its daemon throws a notification if the configured system doesn't have a touchpad, which would be all non-laptops00:23
JontheEchidnaBut overall the configuration module is more featureful and the code is more maintainable00:23
ScottKJontheEchidna: Sounds like a good thing to talk to upstream about.00:32
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macohaha wow knotify4 is using 9999% CPU!  O_o03:29
imbrandonfun03:36
ofirkWhy we don't refer to the i386 cd as a 32bit version?08:19
ofirkhttp://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download08:19
tsimpsonwhat do you mean?08:20
ofirkThe download page lists two type of CDs, one is i386 and the other is 64bit08:26
ofirkI am asking, why the i386 version isn't referred to as 32bit?08:27
ofirkIs there any difference between the two?08:27
tsimpsonofirk: I see "Standard personal computer (32-bit x86 computers: Pentium, Celeron, Core, Athlon, Sempron)"08:43
tsimpsonthat says 32-bit08:43
tsimpsonunless you mean the torrents section08:44
ofirkoh, yes. the torrent section...08:48
ofirktsimpson: I am working on a new download page, so I think I will include only 32bit/64bit as versions08:48
tsimpsonyeah, just refer to them as 32/64bit08:49
tsimpsonmost people don't know or care what i386 is08:49
ofirkexactly08:49
ofirkbtw, do you know what supported media is about?08:50
ofirkI read that the CDs are supported but the DVDs are not08:50
tsimpsonyou can burn a CD image to a DVD08:51
tsimpsonwhere is "supported media" mentioned?08:51
ofirkI meant CD images and DVD images08:51
ofirkyou can see that releases.ubuntu.com doesn't contain the DVDs08:52
ofirkwhich means that they are "not supported"08:52
tsimpsonreleases.ubuntu.com _only_ contains CD images08:53
tsimpsoncdimage.ubuntu.com (ironically) contains the DVD images08:53
ofirksee https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/17767108:53
ubottuLaunchpad bug 177671 in ubuntu-website "Checksums for DVD images missing on hashes page" [Undecided,Confirmed]08:53
ofirkand the first post in bug 23098308:53
ubottuLaunchpad bug 230983 in ubuntu "Website should list and explain the various installation media available and methods of obtaining them" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23098308:53
tsimpsonthe only difference between the CD and DVD is that the DVD has more packages in the image08:53
tsimpsonso it can be used by apt in offline mode08:53
tsimpsonboth install the exact same system in the same way, so both are supported install methods08:54
ofirkso there is no difference between the CD images and the DVD images except their location?08:56
ofirkand the contained packages...08:56
tsimpsonwell the DVD has both the "Live" and "alternate" install methods, and more packages08:57
tsimpsonit's more a convenience thing, being able to have them all on one disk08:57
ofirkand it contains only the desktop version, right?08:58
tsimpsonas far as I know08:59
tsimpsonthere may be a server install option, not sure08:59
tsimpsonI haven't needed to boot a DVD image in years08:59
tsimpsonlooks like the DVD is a (Live/Alternate) (Desktop/Server) install09:15
ofirktsimpson: thank you for your help09:21
* apachelogger thinks about ditching google reader in favor of akregator09:35
apacheloggerI think my memeny is broken11:05
apacheloggerah11:05
apacheloggerjust slow ^^11:05
apacheloggerbrr11:06
apacheloggerempathy even supports facebook-chat -.-11:06
apacheloggersomeone should really join the kopete crew and do sucht things to kopete11:07
apacheloggerjussi: so I get this right, a memenu is just an empathy context menu with more socialness?11:09
apacheloggerwow11:09
apacheloggerthat other thingy I dont know the english name of is ludicrous11:09
apacheloggerit got two add buttons and one remov button11:10
apacheloggerI have no idea what either does11:10
apacheloggeroh, now I also have cancel \o/11:10
jussiapachelogger: kopete supports facebook chat also last time I looked...11:10
apacheloggeryeah11:11
apacheloggerBUT11:11
apacheloggerhow is a user supposed to know11:11
apacheloggerand how do I get to my contact list with that memenu thingy?11:11
apacheloggerohhh11:12
* apachelogger just got popup overlaod11:12
apacheloggerhm, gwibber opened11:12
apacheloggerI suppose that silly dialog with add+add+remove+cancel was gwibber setup11:12
apacheloggerand quite frankly the main UI is not much better11:13
apacheloggerseriously now, how do I get to my contact list -.-11:14
apacheloggerohoh11:15
* apachelogger started u1 and awais the arrival of sith lord firefox11:15
apacheloggerkubotu: google ubuntu wiki spec me menu11:19
kubotuResults for ubuntu wiki spec me menu: 1. E17 and Efreet - wiki.enlightenment.org: http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/E17_and_Efreet | 2. Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx And The Social Web | OMG! Ubuntu!: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/12/ubuntu-1004-lucid-lynx-and-social-web.html | 3. [00:00] <ScottK> You can add things to the systray via right click ...: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/05/11/%23kubuntu-devel.txt11:19
* apachelogger is wondering if google is stupid by design or just when kubotu queries something11:20
apacheloggernow I am logged off and dont know why -.-11:30
apacheloggerman11:30
apacheloggerand I dont see how to change this11:30
apacheloggerOo11:32
apacheloggerok, that is too much for me11:32
* apachelogger does neither grasp the advantage of that nor how to use it11:32
apacheloggerwell, other than the advantage of having one point to do social stuffs11:33
apacheloggerthen again I fail to do social stuff because I cant even get to my contact list11:33
jussiapachelogger: heh11:37
ofirkRiddell: here?11:40
Riddellhi ofirk 11:52
ofirkRiddell: how are you?11:54
ofirkRiddell: I have a new version of the download page that suppose to fix bug #23098311:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 230983 in ubuntu "Website should list and explain the various installation media available and methods of obtaining them" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23098311:58
ofirkand I need someone to review the text11:59
ofirkI will really appreciate if you could review it12:00
ofirkhttp://violetech.org/kubuntu-website-screenshot-download-page.png12:00
Riddellofirk: where does the Download Kubuntu image link to?12:06
ofirkRiddell: it opens an iframe12:06
Riddellofirk: Bittorrent, BitTorrent, Bit Torrent  make your mind up :)12:06
JontheEchidnaGood morning12:07
Riddellafter DVD and alternate links on bittorrent section I'd put an "info" link to the explanation at the bottom of the page12:07
Riddellofirk: I'd change "Wubi" to "Wubi - Install from Windows"12:08
Riddell"for Windows 98, 2000, XP, Vista" No Windows 7?12:08
ofirkthe Win7 version is in beta12:09
Riddellmay be a good idea to say that then12:09
jussiId change the wording of "download the kubuntu installer to create your own cd" - sounds like it is something to make a customised live CD?12:09
ofirkso it may cause problems with the boot loader12:09
ofirkthe requirements are from the Wubi website12:10
Riddell"download locations below" the download locations are above12:10
Riddell"Don't" -> "Do not"12:10
Riddellofirk: also add a section for Ports linking to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/releases/10.04/release/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-netbook/ports/releases/10.04/release/ with a large "totally untested and unlikely to work" caveat12:11
Riddellmorning JontheEchidna, didn't see you leave at UDS12:12
ofirkRiddell: what are ports? more platforms? are they supported?12:12
JontheEchidnaRiddell: yeah. :( I had to leave right after the photo to catch my plane12:12
Riddellofirk: more platforms.  not supported in any way, anyone downloading is on their own.12:12
ofirkRiddell: I will add them under More Info12:13
JontheEchidnawell, more technically I stuck around until just before the web browser beatdown, but I couldn't find you before I was to meet up with the guy I was sharing the taxi with12:15
Riddellofirk: also if the download iframe is the same as the current there's no DVD direct download link so maybe link to http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/releases/10.04/release/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/10.04/release/12:15
Riddellofirk: oh and MD5 sums are missing12:16
ofirkRiddell: I added a ports section. see if it is ok: http://imagebin.ca/view/SI8emLv.html12:22
Riddellofirk: tidying up the grammer there "Kubuntu is available on several other computer platforms.  These ports of Kubuntu are largely untested, are not supported in any way and may well not work at all.  Install at your own risk!"12:24
txwikingerMorning13:13
ofirkRiddell: I made the changes to the download page, can you review it again? http://violetech.org/kubuntu-website-screenshot-download-page.png13:16
ofirkRiddell: the iframe is visible this time13:17
Riddellofirk: lovely13:18
Riddell"More Platforms" should be in title case13:18
ofirkRiddell: do you know who is in charge on shipit.kubuntu.org ?13:26
davmor2ofirk: isd13:30
ScottKRiddell: re: ports - The powerpc live image has been tested and is believed to be reasonably functional.13:37
JontheEchidnaI'd appreciate it if an archive admin could push kde4libs through new queue, so that the merges can continue. Thanks.13:38
ScottKJontheEchidna: Did you see Debian uploaded a raft of -2 versions last night?13:38
ScottKIt's probably worth double checking.13:38
JontheEchidnaHmm, no, I hadn't. Thanks for the heads-up13:38
Quintasan\o13:48
QuintasanJontheEchidna: mind doing some sort of update of Project Timelord? I'd like to know if I should focus on translations or something else :P13:49
JontheEchidnaoh my, I still have to finish my UDS blog :S13:49
JontheEchidna~order brain13:49
* kubotu shouts: OMG!!!!! RED ALERT! We lost a brain. Get me a medic, NOW!13:49
QuintasanJontheEchidna: no pressure, I think a wiki page would be more useful than blog posts :P13:50
rbelemhey JontheEchidna 13:51
JontheEchidnaHi13:51
ScottKHello rbelem.13:51
ScottKI hope your travel home was pleasant.13:51
rbelemhey ScottK :-)13:51
rbelemthe travel was very fast13:51
rbelemit took only one day13:52
ScottKRiddell: Can we get the sparc images removed from the Kubuntu ports releases page?  That's known not to work.13:52
rbelemi was very lucky13:52
rbelemi got an executive class13:53
ScottKVery nice.13:53
rbelembecause the plane was full13:53
rbelemand i got the same flight of "european economic mission"13:54
ScottKInteresting.13:54
QuintasanMan, this was the second time I was in queue, I bet this is because I'm still a minor, till January :P13:54
JontheEchidnaOn my flight, the 2 hour NBC/Universal TV show compilation broke an hour and a half in to the trans-atlantic flight, so I got to watch all the shows again, including the "Twilight Scene It!" game :S13:54
rbelemso because of them the flight to brazil were earlier13:55
rbelemeheheh13:55
QuintasanJontheEchidna: <troll>I thought you're a Twilight fan</troll>13:55
Quintasan:P13:55
JontheEchidnaBut on the whole, the return trip was less miserable than the flight there. This is most likely due to the fact of it being less overnight.13:55
JontheEchidna*rage*13:55
JontheEchidna:P13:55
ScottKQuintasan: He only reacts because it's secretly true.13:56
QuintasanScottK: :D13:56
ScottKTransatlantic west is usually easier than east.13:56
rbelemScottK, where do you live?13:56
ScottKrbelem: Outside Baltimore, Maryland in the US.13:56
rbelemScottK, how long was your flight?13:57
ScottKrbelem: Too long.  I had to fly to Atlanta and then back to Baltimore.  We flew almost right over my house two hours before we got to Atlanta.14:04
JontheEchidnaScottK: Could you reject kde4libs please? I'd like to merge kde4libs 4.4.3-2 from Debian.14:04
ScottKJontheEchidna: Will do.14:04
rbelemScottK, wow14:05
ScottKJontheEchidna: It's in binary New now, so it's really too late for a reject, just upload it again.14:05
JontheEchidnaOK14:06
rbelemhey guys do you have packages for  qt4.7? 14:06
QuintasanWas it even released yet?14:06
ScottKQuintasan: Beta is out.14:07
ScottKrbelem: Someone has them in a PPA, I don't recall who.14:07
ScottKrbelem: I think you'll like the package split Debian did for kde4libs.  It's a lot less monolithic now.14:08
rbelemScottK, do we need to work on qt4.7 packages? i already got it compiled. i removed lot of patches that are already in upstream14:09
rbelemScottK, cool! :-) the packages are in debian unstable?14:10
ScottKRiddell: When do you want to move to 4.7 in Maverick?  Now or wait for the RC (I'm asking because of the BIC change that screwed us with 4.6).14:10
ScottKrbelem: Also in Maverick, but watinging in the New queue for archive admin review.14:11
ScottKrbelem: You can see them here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+queue?queue_state=014:11
rbelemcool :-)14:12
QuintasanJontheEchidna: are you doing debdiffs between debian and ubuntu? I think that's pretty useless because it contains changes in code, not in packaging :S14:12
RiddellScottK: I'm planning for tomorrow14:12
ScottKOK.  Thanks.14:12
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: I usually just diff -Nru the debian dirs. I didn't write the guide on that merge page :P14:12
ScottKrbelem: ^^^ there you go, I suspect he's got it about ready already.14:12
rbelemhey Riddell :-)14:12
Riddellhi rbelem, get home ok?14:13
RiddellScottK: I don't think I know how to remove an image from the published page, there may not be a clean way to do it14:13
JontheEchidnarbelem: This is how they will be split up pretty soon: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/4:4.4.3a-0ubuntu1/+build/174167414:13
ScottKRiddell: OK.  I'll ask slangasek if you don't mind.14:13
rbelemyeah :-) the role travel was very fast :-) just one day. it usually takes i day and a half14:13
JontheEchidnaAll kdelibs5 rdepends will need to be rebuild to take advantage of the split14:14
JontheEchidnas/rebuild/rebuilt14:14
QuintasanJontheEchidna: thanks, I think this guide needs a serious rewrite :P14:14
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: iirc rgreening did that during the jaunty cycle or so :P14:14
JontheEchidnaback when we were merging from debian experimental for KDE 4.2 :S14:15
rbelemsweet14:15
QuintasanJontheEchidna: hmm also, why do we have 4.4.2 while debian has 4.4.3?14:15
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: because 4.4.3 was never uploaded to maverick. It's getting done during the merges right now, though14:16
QuintasanHmm, I see it now14:16
QuintasanThat's why I get tons of code inside of the debdiff14:16
Quintasanwut, we have merge from debian on 4.3.3 and debian's changelog says there was no 4.3.3 :O14:27
QuintasanJontheEchidna: one thing, should I be removing our entries from changelog?14:29
RiddellQuintasan: no14:31
QuintasanRiddell:  <our last merge entry> + <changes in debian since last mege> + <rest of our changes> ?14:31
macoyou dont just summarise whatever changes weren't already upstreamed into being the current changelog entry?14:32
RiddellQuintasan: yes14:32
Riddellmaco: I like to keep our complete changelog history, it's often useful14:32
Riddellother teams disagree14:32
macoah so this is one of those things where different core devs give different answers?14:33
Riddellit's one of those things where my answer is the correct answer :)14:33
rgreeningmorning all14:33
* maco rolls eyes14:34
macorgreening: hello 14:34
Quintasanrgreening: \o14:34
Quintasanmaco: hi there14:34
rgreeningIm soooo tired14:34
apachelogger+114:35
Quintasanurgh those merges are giving me a headache14:37
Quintasantoo much damned files14:37
ScottKmaco: The fact that some developers think it's a good idea to lose history doesn't change what the right answer is.14:39
macook14:40
apacheloggermhhh14:43
apachelogger<3 the kolab plans14:44
shtylmanheh14:44
apacheloggerneeds to be buzzed about14:44
shtylmanyea.. me too since it means they will do the testing for us14:44
QuintasanJontheEchidna: kde-sc-dev-latest (>= 4:4.4.3) <-- wtf?14:44
apacheloggeralso makes us appear more businessy14:44
apacheloggerwhich is why it needs to be buzzed about14:44
shtylmanheh14:44
ScottKMaybe now ryanakca can actually do the idea he had several cycles ago about providing Kolab server access for Kubuntu devs.14:45
* apachelogger thinks that a groupware could help with organizational stuff within kubuntu ^^14:47
apacheloggeranyhow14:47
apacheloggerthis->goTo(new Lecture::Databases1());14:47
jjessethatwould be cool14:48
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: That's a new bit Debian introduced14:49
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: It's their solution to making sure that all the build depend tree is there before building14:50
JontheEchidnaOnce I get kde4libs all sorted out it should be possible to continue on with the next layer14:50
QuintasanJontheEchidna: So I should copypasta it?14:51
ofirkdavmor2: What is isd?14:51
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: yeah14:51
davmor2ofirk: Department inside canonical what is the issue you are having14:52
ofirkI want to redesign shipit.kubuntu.org14:53
ofirkso, I want to contact the guys responsible for the shipit website14:55
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: new kde4libs uploaded. Once it passes new queue, just ask and I'll be able to sponsor anything on the first branch of the dependency tree15:07
* rgreening is porting the dell-recovery latest version to KDE/Qt so we can haz easier dell-recovery for Kubuntu with restore partition for Lucid +15:08
* rgreening thinks having dell-community supported kubuntu for installation is teh awesome :)15:09
QuintasanJontheEchidna: urgh, I'm not entriely sure what can I delete, some lines were moved down a few lines so I'm applying it just because it will create confusion later, basically everything deleted in debian should be deleted in our *.install files?15:11
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: could you paste the diff that you're using?15:11
QuintasanJontheEchidna: kdebase-workspace-data.install -> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/69524/debian-to-ubuntu.diff15:13
QuintasanI'm pretty sure we are not moving docs to kde4 dir15:13
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: workspace? ScottK had requested to do that one. the wiki says you're doing runtime15:13
Quintasanomg15:13
QuintasanI'm writing crap15:14
Quintasandon't mind me15:14
Quintasan:P15:14
JontheEchidnaah, kk15:14
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: yes, the doc path should be kept at doc/kde/15:15
Quintasan@_@15:18
Quintasanthis looks like a nightmare15:18
Quintasan:S15:18
Quintasankubotu: ~order brain15:18
Quintasan~order brain15:18
* kubotu shouts: OMG!!!!! RED ALERT! We lost a brain. Get me a medic, NOW!15:18
Quintasan:S15:18
ScottKThat seems to be going around today.15:18
QuintasanIt's inevitable when merging.15:19
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: debian might have moved some files in between .install files too. When that happens, do the same and make the new destination package replace the old package << (4:4.4.60)15:19
macohow do i say "no this doesnt need a merge, it needs a sync" about something on the merge list?15:19
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JontheEchidnamaco: on the KDE merges list? I usually just put the bug number of the sync request there15:20
macono on a universe one but i figured one of you would know anyway ;-)15:20
JontheEchidnaah, merges.ubuntu.com?15:20
macoalso i was already looking at this channel 15:20
macoyes15:20
JontheEchidnaYeah, putting the bug number and a little note about it needing a sync should be fine15:21
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: Oh, have you seen the kubuntu-debian-differences file? That's also a big help15:27
Quintasandamn, I starting from scratch15:34
shtylmanRiddell: do we have qt imported into launchpad yet?15:51
shtylmanif not .. I will start with that15:51
Riddellshtylman: from packages yes but not from git (https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/maverick/qt4-x11/maverick)15:53
shtylmanRiddell: k.. I will request an import from git...  what should it be called?15:53
shtylmanalso... do you have any clue on how it works with the git branches?15:54
shtylmanthe import tool also wants a project to associate the import with15:54
shtylmanseems like I need to create one for qt in launchpad...15:55
shtylmanif I do that... who should I assign it to? cause kubuntu people should be able to update it ... etc15:55
shtylmanthere is this: https://edge.launchpad.net/qt15:56
shtylmanis that the right project?15:56
Riddellthat's the right project15:56
shtylmank15:56
RiddellI've never done a successful code import however so I don't really know any more than you how it works15:56
shtylmank15:56
shtylmanI will attempt to conjure magic15:57
RiddellI also don't understand Git so am unlikely to be helpful there15:57
rbelemi can help with git15:57
rbelem:-)15:57
rbelemhey shtylman 15:58
shtylmanrbelem: hey15:58
rbelem:-)15:58
rbelemwhat do we need to do with git?15:59
shtylmanrbelem: nothing with git... we just need to have launchpad import the qt code (which is in git) into itself15:59
rbelemhum...15:59
QuintasanJontheEchidna: ./usr/share/dbus-1/interfaces/org.kde.nepomuk.OntologyManager.xml <-- Debian has them in not-installed, should I remove them as well?16:00
rbelemshtylman,  do you want to get the 4.7 branch?16:00
shtylmanrbelem: well... first I am gonna try master16:00
RiddellQuintasan: yes (unless the changelog specifies that we install them for a reason)16:00
rbelemor the 4.7-stable?16:00
shtylmanand then see what branches we need from there16:00
shtylmanit will take some poking around to get settled I imagine16:00
QuintasanRiddell: hmm out not-installed says we need them for playground stuff16:01
amichairJontheEchidna: how would one connect bug #422174 to kde bug #209464 ? I think that's the match...16:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 422174 in plasma-widget-networkmanagement "cannot connect to hidden ssid" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42217416:01
ubottuKDE bug 209464 in Wireless "can only connect when network not using hidden ESSID" [Normal,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20946416:01
RiddellQuintasan: then we want to keep them installed16:01
RiddellQuintasan: usually those interface files are not needed but I think in that case we have a package that needs them for building16:02
rbelemshtylman, cool! which url are you using?16:02
shtylmanrbelem: git://gitorious.org/qt/qt.git16:03
JontheEchidnaamichair: There's a link on the top right corner of the page "mark as duplicate"16:03
amichairJontheEchidna: and how do I specify that it's a kde bug?16:04
JontheEchidnaOh, kde bug16:04
macoamichair: ah no not hte duplicate thing16:04
macoamichair: click "also affects project"16:05
JontheEchidnamissed that bit16:05
rbelemshtylman, ok :-)16:05
macoamichair: choose kde, then paste the url into the box16:05
rbelemshtylman, if you need help with git, poke me ;-)16:06
shtylmanrbelem: will do16:07
amichairmaco: thanks16:07
maconp16:07
amichairhopefully some of the many lp reporters will write a note or add a vote to upstream report...16:08
QuintasanJontheEchidna: I think I'm done, do you want all three (sid-current, sid-new, current-new)?16:09
Quintasanthree diffs*16:10
JontheEchidnaI like current-debian, current-merged and debian-merged16:10
Quintasanoh16:12
Quintasank16:12
JontheEchidnaI like current-debian better than debian-current, because it shows what you have to add and remove to get closer to the debian package, which is the point of merging16:14
* Quintasan notes this down16:15
QuintasanJontheEchidna: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/69524/diffs.tar.bz216:15
QuintasanJontheEchidna: be sure to smack me in the head if I'm doing it wrong16:15
Quintasan;)16:15
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: debian/control needs some work. all of the conflicts/replaces on the -kde4 packages can be dropped, for one thing, and it needs a once-over in general16:25
shtylmanRiddell: I can't set the project for the vcs import to "Qt" ... says invalid value :(16:31
shtylmanand I can't search for the qt project cause the search wants at least 3 characters16:32
Riddelllower case?16:32
shtylmanwow16:32
shtylmanoh noes!16:33
shtylmanhttps://code.edge.launchpad.net/~shtylman/qt/trunk16:33
shtylmanit is importing into that...16:33
shtylmanand not the qt project... sigh16:33
macoooh! rekonq doesnt have a statusbar taking up space! <316:33
Riddellshtylman: that is into the qt project16:33
shtylmanRiddell: not directly... that makes it a branch of the qt project under my name16:34
macogoodness why is quassel using over 300mb of ram?16:34
Riddellmaco: nice isn't it, although for some reason it uses a kpassivepopup instead of just a qlabel16:34
shtylmanI was going for more of a direct branch... i.e. lp:qt/trunk16:34
shtylmanI suppose this is a start16:34
macoshtylman: you mark the one under yours as being trunk for the project16:34
macoits an alias16:34
Riddellshtylman: anything like that is an alias16:35
shtylmanooo fancy16:35
maco(i recently learned how to make a project in lp)16:35
macothough umm rekonq seems to go all "i'm just gonna hang and not draw the webpage" quite a bit16:35
macoi wonder if its mishandling flash?16:35
rgreeningshtylman: any pointers to porting gtk ubiquity pliugins to kde?16:49
rgreeningbesides run away :016:49
shtylmanhahaha16:49
shtylmanrgreening: all you have to do is implement the same methods.. usually found in the base class for that plugin16:50
rgreeningshtylman: I am trying to port the dell-recovery app to support kde recovery. The new version uses ubiquity and a couple of plugins16:50
shtylmank16:50
shtylmanif you look at any of the plugins16:50
* rgreening has no experience in ubiquity and plugins16:51
rgreening:)16:51
shtylmanyou will see that there are two classes16:51
shtylmana PageGtk16:51
shtylmaniirc16:51
shtylmanand a PageKde16:51
shtylmansomething like that16:51
shtylmanbasically... the plugin system looks for that class in the plugin file16:51
rgreeninge.g.: http://paste.ubuntu.com/435029/16:51
shtylmanif it finds it16:51
shtylmanyea16:51
shtylmanso you need to make a PageKde(PluginUI) class in that same file16:52
rgreeningya, so, I need to port for example the one pasted above16:52
rgreeningok16:52
shtylmanand the plugin system will find it16:52
rgreeningshtylman: have a look at the one I pasted and point out some of the obvious changes...16:53
rgreeningshtylman: so, for example plugin_widgets would be set to whatever thew kde equiv is16:54
rgreeningright16:54
shtylmanyep16:54
rgreeningQLabel?16:54
shtylmanplugin_widgets needs to be the main widget for the plugin16:54
shtylmanif that is all you want .. then yes16:54
* rgreening doesnt know\\16:55
rgreening:(16:55
shtylmanyou will need to import PyQt4.QtGui QLabel16:55
shtylmanheh16:55
* rgreening is noob for ubiquity16:55
rgreening:)16:55
shtylmanI don't know what this plguin does... so I can't really say what you "need"16:55
apacheloggerthat sounds very ubiquity specific :P16:55
apacheloggercan we use qlabel outside it too?16:55
shtylmanbut whatever it is... plugin_widgets needs to be some sort of widget16:55
apacheloggersounds like a useful thing :P16:56
* apachelogger invokes the merge magic16:56
CIA-6[ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100517155714-hgxfil03spzg6pdk * (30 files in 6 dirs) Merge API branch.16:57
* rgreening needz beer16:58
apacheloggeru1-kde is now at 2467 SLOC16:58
apacheloggerand the api is not even completely implemented :P16:58
txwikingerAnybody else experience lockups with rekonq when opening a new tab?17:50
Riddelltry the daily build17:51
macoRiddell: ppa?17:55
Riddellyes17:55
* maco headdesk17:55
macoWHICH ONE?17:55
RiddellTHIS ONE!17:55
Riddelldeb http://ppa.launchpad.net/rekonq/rekonq-daily/ubuntu lucid main17:55
macothank ya17:56
neversfeldethere is a problem with minitube for GNOME users, I made it depend on phonon, because I thought that is what Debian does, but phonon-backend-gstreamer is not installed, if you use GNOME. The testing packages in my PPA had a dependency on phonon-backend-xine | phonon-backend and they worked. Now I am unsure what is correct?17:57
macoRiddell: you know, we forgot to give seele that chocolate we bought her17:58
Riddellneversfelde: phonon seems to depend on phonon-backend-xine | phonon-backend17:59
Riddellmaco: we did indeed, whatever happened to it?17:59
macoRiddell: its sitting next to me, still in the plastic18:00
neversfeldeRiddell: yes, so GNOME users should get phonon-backend-gstreamer when they install minitube, or is that wrong?18:01
macoseele: we should meet up at some point so you can have the chocolate Riddell and i got your for valentines day18:01
Riddellneversfelde: no they'd get phonon-backend-xine18:01
Riddellmaco: or just post it18:01
macoRiddell: dont know her address18:02
neversfeldeah ok, they should get nothing if phonon-backend-gstreamer is already installed and if not phonon-backend-xine is installed18:02
neversfelde?18:02
Riddellneversfelde: yes18:02
seelemaco: er.. admittedly that's a little weird.18:03
macoseele: the box said "QT" and we thought of you because well... KDE....Qt...18:04
neversfeldethen I think the package has the correct dependency, but that do not solve anything18:04
macoRiddell: maybe we're both just creepy punny18:05
seelemaco: well, thanks for the thought anyway :)18:05
ScottKThought chocolate isn't nearly as satisfying as the eating kind.18:06
macoScottK: right, which is why she ought to meet up with me and retrieve it ;-)18:07
Riddelldantti: back hame?18:08
* ScottK hands Riddell and "o"18:08
ScottKand/an18:08
ScottKRats18:08
* maco suspects Riddell's slipping back into Scots18:08
danttiRiddell: yes :D home sweet home :P18:09
danttiRiddell: btw I have some bug on kubuntu installer18:10
dantti*bugs18:10
Riddelluh oh18:10
danttiI instaled it on my desktop because the font were screewd on my Tv.. gues what .. the bug was on nvidia drivers... :P18:11
neversfeldeRiddell: any idea what I can do to make it work on GNOME desktops? Everyone is crying for a phonon-backend-gstreamer dependency, but I guess no KDE user would like that.18:12
Riddellneversfelde: I don't understand, does it need phonon-backend-gstreamer?18:19
JontheEchidnaRiddell: On the topic of phonon, it looks like QtWebKit is going to be using QtMultimedia for HTML5 stuff in the future18:21
JontheEchidnaIt should either be around by Qt 4.7 or the separate QtWebKit release18:21
RiddellJontheEchidna: from what thiago said that seems to be in Qt 4.8 only18:21
Riddellalthough he wasn't too clear on it18:22
JontheEchidnaoh18:22
Riddellit's not good though, means dragging in gstreamer onto the CD18:22
neversfeldeRiddell: for KDE users it works without problems, for GNOME users only if phonon-backend-gstreamer and some of it's plugins are installed18:22
Riddellneversfelde: so for KDE users it works with phonon xine installed, but Gnome users it doesn't work with phonon xine?18:22
neversfeldeyes18:23
JontheEchidnableh, pulling in gstreamer sucks18:23
Riddellneversfelde: that makes no sense18:23
JontheEchidnaRiddell: would you mind taking a look at kde4libs in new queue?18:23
danttiRiddell: if I select install kubuntu using brazilian portuguese it opens the plasma-desktop instead of the installer, and the installer has some problems with tab flow (as i installed without a mouse...18:24
RiddellJontheEchidna: it does a bit, although it might mean an end to the HTML5 qtwebkit problems with phonon-xine18:24
neversfeldeRiddell: a lot of users confirmed that it does not work with phonon-backend-xine on GNOME. I will have a deeper look on that18:24
Riddellneversfelde: well that makes no sense, there must be some missing package, maybe they don't have libxine1-ffmpeg installed18:24
neversfeldeI am afraid I will have to install GNOME somewhere, thanks Riddell18:25
danttiRiddell: I also had some problems when starting and shuting down the system, it never finished doing that, on one of the shutdowns I pressed ESC and saw a message saying that something was disconnected, then ctrl + alt + del started the reboot process... pretty weird18:26
Riddelldantti: shtylman is the man to poke with installer issues18:27
Riddellneversfelde: a chroot should work18:27
danttiRiddell: k18:28
shtylmanI heard installer issues18:29
danttishtylman: yup18:29
shtylmanI dunno what yall are talking about18:29
shtylmanI know nothing :p18:29
dantti:P18:29
danttishtylman: did you use designer to create the instaler?18:30
shtylmandantti: yea18:30
danttishtylman: so it's pretty ease to fix the tab things you just need to edit the tab order18:31
danttishtylman: also iirc the "proceed" button was not the deafault one so I had to keep using tab to proceed to the next question18:32
shtylmandantti: not quite ... depends what you mean by "tabs"18:32
shtylmanoh.. that tab order18:32
shtylmanyes... that is easy to fix18:32
danttiyup especially the partition part the tab order was quite out of order :P18:32
shtylmanpatches welcome :) .. just note that much of it is being overhauled... especially in the disk areas18:33
danttishtylman: and you should elide middle in the selector of FS because i could not see if it was ext3 or ext4 :P18:34
danttii would send patches if i had mor time :P18:35
danttibut i need to get focused otherwise i can't finish a thing :P18:36
shtylmandantti: indeed... I understand that :)18:41
shtylmanhow do I version something for my ppa which does not exist in ubuntu yet?18:54
shtylmanlets say I have version 1.2.3 of a library18:54
shtylmando I call my version 1.2.3-1ppa1 ?18:55
shtylmanor 1.2.3-0ppa0 ?18:55
shtylmanthis versioning seems a bit confusing :)18:55
rbelem1.2.3-0~ppa118:55
Riddellshtylman: 1.2.3-0ubuntu1~ppa1  probably18:55
shtylmanlordy18:56
Riddellyes it's messy :)18:56
rbelem:-)18:56
Riddellthe ubuntu version would be 1.2.3-0ubuntu1  and the ~ makes it less than the previous version18:56
shtylmanI see18:56
shtylmank... imma try that 18:56
JontheEchidnashtylman: Is this "something" what I'm thinking it is? :318:57
shtylmanJontheEchidna: sadly no :( 18:57
JontheEchidna:(18:57
shtylmanunrelated to qt/kde things18:57
shtylmanbut don't worry.... those will come in due time18:58
JontheEchidna:)18:58
shtylmanqt is importing into lp as we speak18:58
shtylman:( https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~shtylman/qt/trunk19:00
shtylmanot finished and now wants to do it again...19:00
shtylmansadness19:00
rbelemshtylman, https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading versioning for ppa19:01
shtylmanthanks19:03
rbelem:-)19:03
shtylmancan one package be uploaded to multiple series?19:04
shtylmanor does the changelog need to be specified for each one19:04
shtylmani.e. lucid, karmic..etc19:04
JontheEchidnayou might be able to use the ppa copy feature for that19:05
JontheEchidnacopy to your own ppa, but change the series19:05
shtylman... go on...19:05
shtylmanahh I see that19:06
shtylmaninteresting...19:06
shtylmannow to figure out how to make it work...19:06
shtylmanso why does this keep telling me that a newer version is available: https://edge.launchpad.net/~shtylman/+archive/acr19:07
shtylmanI am quite certain I named the version right... :(19:07
debfxshtylman: you need to put the 1: in front of the version19:08
shtylman... what...19:08
shtylmanwhy... how did this happen...19:08
shtylmanwhat does the 1: even mean?19:08
shtylmanseems like it shouldn't be there..19:09
debfxit's called an epoch19:10
shtylmanmeaning...19:10
JontheEchidnaIt means that somebody cocked up the version sometime in the package's history19:10
shtylmangreat..19:11
JontheEchidnaand they had to add 1: in front of it to get the version higher than the cocked up version19:11
shtylmanso what does this mean for all future packages?19:11
JontheEchidnauntil 2.x, yeah19:11
shtylmanare you kidding me?19:11
JontheEchidnanope19:11
JontheEchidnaThe KDE packages have had an epoch of 4 for 10 years or so19:12
shtylman*sigh*19:12
JontheEchidna1119:13
JontheEchidnakdebase (4:1.1-19990207-1) unstable; urgency=low19:13
JontheEchidna  * new upstream version 1.1 and new epoche19:13
Riddellblame coolo for that, it's a suse conspiracy :)19:13
JontheEchidna -- Stephan Kulow <coolo@kde.org>  Sun,  7 Feb 1999 12:12:58 +010019:13
shtylmanheh19:13
JontheEchidnaWe can't drop it until KDE5, which is at least a good 5 years off19:14
Quintasanlol?19:14
QuintasanWhy so?19:14
JontheEchidnabecause 4.x is smaller than 4:4.x19:15
Quintasan:O19:15
shtylmanwhy can't the old changelog entries be purged?19:15
JontheEchidnaUsers that already had the 4:4.4.x couldn't upgrade to the 4.4.x packages, because the version would be smaller19:15
shtylmanbut for a series jump.. ie. maverick...19:16
JontheEchidnadpkg still views it as a downgrade19:16
shtylmancan't we purge entiries and the upgrade still work?19:16
shtylmanwow19:16
txwikingerRiddell I use the daily build.. but I can get the newest one, I guess19:16
JontheEchidnabut we've lived with it for 10 years. It looks a bit messy, but doesn't really do anything too bad. What's waiting 5 more years?19:16
shtylmanhaha19:17
JontheEchidnaWell, maybe more like 8 years19:17
JontheEchidnaSince Aaron said he wanted KDE4 to last for at least 10 years before KDE519:17
* txwikinger has actually the newest pacakges19:18
Quintasanwait, what?19:18
Quintasan10 years!?19:18
shtylmanhaha19:18
* Quintasan is going to be 27 by then19:18
Quintasan@_@19:18
shtylmanheh19:18
* txwikinger is amused about those greenhorns here again19:19
Quintasantxwikinger: ya wanna fight? ;P19:20
txwikingerQuintasan: In your age you should respect your elders ;)19:20
QuintasanThe Ultimate Argumentâ„¢19:21
Quintasantxwikinger: 4219:21
debfxbumping the epoch is much better than having versions like 10.0.1.218+10.0.0.525ubuntu1~hardy1+really9.0.124.0ubuntu2 (flashplugin in hardy-backports) :D19:22
txwikingerYes.. but everybody has forgotten the question19:22
shtylmandebfx: hahahaha19:22
rgreeningRiddell: fixing the usb-creator bugs you submitted19:23
rgreeningRiddell, shtylman: where's the latest svg's for the new Kubuntu branding? I need to update USB Creator branding.19:29
shtylmanrgreening: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuArtwork19:30
shtylmandownlaod the svg19:30
shtylmandon't save as the one on the wiki19:30
shtylmanit is wrong19:30
rgreeningI downloaded the link and its the squished one19:32
rgreeningshtylman: ^19:32
nixternalhola19:33
rgreeningla-ho19:33
rgreening:)19:33
shtylmanrgreening: .... hmm19:34
shtylmanshouldn't be...19:34
shtylmanunless Riddell didn't update the file... but I think he said he did19:34
rgreeningshtylman: got a better linkl for my to try?19:36
Riddellcheck the history19:38
shtylmanrgreening: nope... that svg should be correct.. lemme look at it19:39
shtylmanrgreening: it is correct19:39
rgreeninghmm... still looks squishy19:39
rgreeningmeebee i need glasses19:40
rgreening^ better ^ glasses19:40
shtylmanhaha19:40
shtylmannope..it is right19:40
shtylmanthe png is wrong19:40
shtylmanbut the svg is right19:40
JontheEchidnadang, that's neat: http://www.omat.nl/2010/05/17/accountwizard-demo/19:56
rgreeningRiddell: updated svg/png for usb-creator19:56
JontheEchidnaI always hated going to the gmail help thingy to get all the pop details...19:56
ScottKRiddell: I just had a good chat with notmart about agateau's menubar stuff and using it in netbook.  I sense convergence of ideas coming.20:08
shtylmancool20:13
shtylmancopy package in ppa doesn't want to copy my package21:32
shtylman:(21:32
shtylmanit will only copy binaries... not rebuild my sources... hmm21:33
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shtylmanso launchpad fails to import qt23:06
shtylmanfor some reason it finishes... but never actually makes the branch23:06
shtylmanso it tries to reimport23:06
shtylmanquite amusing23:06
shtylmanis already accepted in ubuntu/hardy and you cannot upload the same version within the same distribution. You have to modify the source version and re-upload.23:16
shtylmanI got that error when uploading to my ppa :(23:16
shtylmanmy pacakge had ~<mystuff>23:17
shtylmanon the end of it23:17
shtylmanwhy does it hate me?23:17
oxymoronHello guys I am on my girls computer and need help with graphics on a SiS 671MX where I cannot change resolution higher than 800x600 and plymouth shows flimmer and ant wars on bootup, the desktop effects doesnt work turning on23:25
ryanakcaScottK: IIRC, I had the whole Kolab thing set up, but was hesitant at sending out all the login stuff at the time because I didn't have very much sysadmin experience and didn't want the whole thing crashing down on me if something went wrong.23:44
ryanakcaScottK: I still have access to the server. Shall I get it back up and running at some point?23:45
Mamarokoxymoron: please don't cross post, support is in #kubuntu23:52
oxymoronMamarok: Sorry I was seeing whch channel answering first and then conitnue there23:54
Mamarokwell, the only support channel is #kubuntu, no need to try the other ones23:54

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