[00:18] <ScottK> Did we discuss switching from kcm-touchpad to synaptiks?
[00:22] <JontheEchidna> Not at UDS, but it would be a good idea to do so
[00:22] <JontheEchidna> It needs a few tweaks, though
[00:23] <JontheEchidna> Like currently its daemon throws a notification if the configured system doesn't have a touchpad, which would be all non-laptops
[00:23] <JontheEchidna> But overall the configuration module is more featureful and the code is more maintainable
[00:32] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Sounds like a good thing to talk to upstream about.
[03:29] <maco> haha wow knotify4 is using 9999% CPU!  O_o
[03:36] <imbrandon> fun
[08:19] <ofirk> Why we don't refer to the i386 cd as a 32bit version?
[08:19] <ofirk> http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download
[08:20] <tsimpson> what do you mean?
[08:26] <ofirk> The download page lists two type of CDs, one is i386 and the other is 64bit
[08:27] <ofirk> I am asking, why the i386 version isn't referred to as 32bit?
[08:27] <ofirk> Is there any difference between the two?
[08:43] <tsimpson> ofirk: I see "Standard personal computer (32-bit x86 computers: Pentium, Celeron, Core, Athlon, Sempron)"
[08:43] <tsimpson> that says 32-bit
[08:44] <tsimpson> unless you mean the torrents section
[08:48] <ofirk> oh, yes. the torrent section...
[08:48] <ofirk> tsimpson: I am working on a new download page, so I think I will include only 32bit/64bit as versions
[08:49] <tsimpson> yeah, just refer to them as 32/64bit
[08:49] <tsimpson> most people don't know or care what i386 is
[08:49] <ofirk> exactly
[08:50] <ofirk> btw, do you know what supported media is about?
[08:50] <ofirk> I read that the CDs are supported but the DVDs are not
[08:51] <tsimpson> you can burn a CD image to a DVD
[08:51] <tsimpson> where is "supported media" mentioned?
[08:51] <ofirk> I meant CD images and DVD images
[08:52] <ofirk> you can see that releases.ubuntu.com doesn't contain the DVDs
[08:52] <ofirk> which means that they are "not supported"
[08:53] <tsimpson> releases.ubuntu.com _only_ contains CD images
[08:53] <tsimpson> cdimage.ubuntu.com (ironically) contains the DVD images
[08:53] <ofirk> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/177671
[08:53] <ofirk> and the first post in bug 230983
[08:53] <tsimpson> the only difference between the CD and DVD is that the DVD has more packages in the image
[08:53] <tsimpson> so it can be used by apt in offline mode
[08:54] <tsimpson> both install the exact same system in the same way, so both are supported install methods
[08:56] <ofirk> so there is no difference between the CD images and the DVD images except their location?
[08:56] <ofirk> and the contained packages...
[08:57] <tsimpson> well the DVD has both the "Live" and "alternate" install methods, and more packages
[08:57] <tsimpson> it's more a convenience thing, being able to have them all on one disk
[08:58] <ofirk> and it contains only the desktop version, right?
[08:59] <tsimpson> as far as I know
[08:59] <tsimpson> there may be a server install option, not sure
[08:59] <tsimpson> I haven't needed to boot a DVD image in years
[09:15] <tsimpson> looks like the DVD is a (Live/Alternate) (Desktop/Server) install
[09:21] <ofirk> tsimpson: thank you for your help
[09:35]  * apachelogger thinks about ditching google reader in favor of akregator
[11:05] <apachelogger> I think my memeny is broken
[11:05] <apachelogger> ah
[11:05] <apachelogger> just slow ^^
[11:06] <apachelogger> brr
[11:06] <apachelogger> empathy even supports facebook-chat -.-
[11:07] <apachelogger> someone should really join the kopete crew and do sucht things to kopete
[11:09] <apachelogger> jussi: so I get this right, a memenu is just an empathy context menu with more socialness?
[11:09] <apachelogger> wow
[11:09] <apachelogger> that other thingy I dont know the english name of is ludicrous
[11:10] <apachelogger> it got two add buttons and one remov button
[11:10] <apachelogger> I have no idea what either does
[11:10] <apachelogger> oh, now I also have cancel \o/
[11:10] <jussi> apachelogger: kopete supports facebook chat also last time I looked...
[11:11] <apachelogger> yeah
[11:11] <apachelogger> BUT
[11:11] <apachelogger> how is a user supposed to know
[11:11] <apachelogger> and how do I get to my contact list with that memenu thingy?
[11:12] <apachelogger> ohhh
[11:12]  * apachelogger just got popup overlaod
[11:12] <apachelogger> hm, gwibber opened
[11:12] <apachelogger> I suppose that silly dialog with add+add+remove+cancel was gwibber setup
[11:13] <apachelogger> and quite frankly the main UI is not much better
[11:14] <apachelogger> seriously now, how do I get to my contact list -.-
[11:15] <apachelogger> ohoh
[11:15]  * apachelogger started u1 and awais the arrival of sith lord firefox
[11:19] <apachelogger> kubotu: google ubuntu wiki spec me menu
[11:19] <kubotu> Results for ubuntu wiki spec me menu: 1. E17 and Efreet - wiki.enlightenment.org: http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/E17_and_Efreet | 2. Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx And The Social Web | OMG! Ubuntu!: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/12/ubuntu-1004-lucid-lynx-and-social-web.html | 3. [00:00] <ScottK> You can add things to the systray via right click ...: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/05/11/%23kubuntu-devel.txt
[11:20]  * apachelogger is wondering if google is stupid by design or just when kubotu queries something
[11:30] <apachelogger> now I am logged off and dont know why -.-
[11:30] <apachelogger> man
[11:30] <apachelogger> and I dont see how to change this
[11:32] <apachelogger> Oo
[11:32] <apachelogger> ok, that is too much for me
[11:32]  * apachelogger does neither grasp the advantage of that nor how to use it
[11:33] <apachelogger> well, other than the advantage of having one point to do social stuffs
[11:33] <apachelogger> then again I fail to do social stuff because I cant even get to my contact list
[11:37] <jussi> apachelogger: heh
[11:40] <ofirk> Riddell: here?
[11:52] <Riddell> hi ofirk 
[11:54] <ofirk> Riddell: how are you?
[11:58] <ofirk> Riddell: I have a new version of the download page that suppose to fix bug #230983
[11:59] <ofirk> and I need someone to review the text
[12:00] <ofirk> I will really appreciate if you could review it
[12:00] <ofirk> http://violetech.org/kubuntu-website-screenshot-download-page.png
[12:06] <Riddell> ofirk: where does the Download Kubuntu image link to?
[12:06] <ofirk> Riddell: it opens an iframe
[12:06] <Riddell> ofirk: Bittorrent, BitTorrent, Bit Torrent  make your mind up :)
[12:07] <JontheEchidna> Good morning
[12:07] <Riddell> after DVD and alternate links on bittorrent section I'd put an "info" link to the explanation at the bottom of the page
[12:08] <Riddell> ofirk: I'd change "Wubi" to "Wubi - Install from Windows"
[12:08] <Riddell> "for Windows 98, 2000, XP, Vista" No Windows 7?
[12:09] <ofirk> the Win7 version is in beta
[12:09] <Riddell> may be a good idea to say that then
[12:09] <jussi> Id change the wording of "download the kubuntu installer to create your own cd" - sounds like it is something to make a customised live CD?
[12:09] <ofirk> so it may cause problems with the boot loader
[12:10] <ofirk> the requirements are from the Wubi website
[12:10] <Riddell> "download locations below" the download locations are above
[12:10] <Riddell> "Don't" -> "Do not"
[12:11] <Riddell> ofirk: also add a section for Ports linking to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/releases/10.04/release/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-netbook/ports/releases/10.04/release/ with a large "totally untested and unlikely to work" caveat
[12:12] <Riddell> morning JontheEchidna, didn't see you leave at UDS
[12:12] <ofirk> Riddell: what are ports? more platforms? are they supported?
[12:12] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: yeah. :( I had to leave right after the photo to catch my plane
[12:12] <Riddell> ofirk: more platforms.  not supported in any way, anyone downloading is on their own.
[12:13] <ofirk> Riddell: I will add them under More Info
[12:15] <JontheEchidna> well, more technically I stuck around until just before the web browser beatdown, but I couldn't find you before I was to meet up with the guy I was sharing the taxi with
[12:15] <Riddell> ofirk: also if the download iframe is the same as the current there's no DVD direct download link so maybe link to http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/releases/10.04/release/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/10.04/release/
[12:16] <Riddell> ofirk: oh and MD5 sums are missing
[12:22] <ofirk> Riddell: I added a ports section. see if it is ok: http://imagebin.ca/view/SI8emLv.html
[12:24] <Riddell> ofirk: tidying up the grammer there "Kubuntu is available on several other computer platforms.  These ports of Kubuntu are largely untested, are not supported in any way and may well not work at all.  Install at your own risk!"
[13:13] <txwikinger> Morning
[13:16] <ofirk> Riddell: I made the changes to the download page, can you review it again? http://violetech.org/kubuntu-website-screenshot-download-page.png
[13:17] <ofirk> Riddell: the iframe is visible this time
[13:18] <Riddell> ofirk: lovely
[13:18] <Riddell> "More Platforms" should be in title case
[13:26] <ofirk> Riddell: do you know who is in charge on shipit.kubuntu.org ?
[13:30] <davmor2> ofirk: isd
[13:37] <ScottK> Riddell: re: ports - The powerpc live image has been tested and is believed to be reasonably functional.
[13:38] <JontheEchidna> I'd appreciate it if an archive admin could push kde4libs through new queue, so that the merges can continue. Thanks.
[13:38] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Did you see Debian uploaded a raft of -2 versions last night?
[13:38] <ScottK> It's probably worth double checking.
[13:38] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, no, I hadn't. Thanks for the heads-up
[13:48] <Quintasan> \o
[13:49] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: mind doing some sort of update of Project Timelord? I'd like to know if I should focus on translations or something else :P
[13:49] <JontheEchidna> oh my, I still have to finish my UDS blog :S
[13:49] <JontheEchidna> ~order brain
[13:49]  * kubotu shouts: OMG!!!!! RED ALERT! We lost a brain. Get me a medic, NOW!
[13:50] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: no pressure, I think a wiki page would be more useful than blog posts :P
[13:51] <rbelem> hey JontheEchidna 
[13:51] <JontheEchidna> Hi
[13:51] <ScottK> Hello rbelem.
[13:51] <ScottK> I hope your travel home was pleasant.
[13:51] <rbelem> hey ScottK :-)
[13:51] <rbelem> the travel was very fast
[13:52] <rbelem> it took only one day
[13:52] <ScottK> Riddell: Can we get the sparc images removed from the Kubuntu ports releases page?  That's known not to work.
[13:52] <rbelem> i was very lucky
[13:53] <rbelem> i got an executive class
[13:53] <ScottK> Very nice.
[13:53] <rbelem> because the plane was full
[13:54] <rbelem> and i got the same flight of "european economic mission"
[13:54] <ScottK> Interesting.
[13:54] <Quintasan> Man, this was the second time I was in queue, I bet this is because I'm still a minor, till January :P
[13:54] <JontheEchidna> On my flight, the 2 hour NBC/Universal TV show compilation broke an hour and a half in to the trans-atlantic flight, so I got to watch all the shows again, including the "Twilight Scene It!" game :S
[13:55] <rbelem> so because of them the flight to brazil were earlier
[13:55] <rbelem> eheheh
[13:55] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: <troll>I thought you're a Twilight fan</troll>
[13:55] <Quintasan> :P
[13:55] <JontheEchidna> But on the whole, the return trip was less miserable than the flight there. This is most likely due to the fact of it being less overnight.
[13:55] <JontheEchidna> *rage*
[13:55] <JontheEchidna> :P
[13:56] <ScottK> Quintasan: He only reacts because it's secretly true.
[13:56] <Quintasan> ScottK: :D
[13:56] <ScottK> Transatlantic west is usually easier than east.
[13:56] <rbelem> ScottK, where do you live?
[13:56] <ScottK> rbelem: Outside Baltimore, Maryland in the US.
[13:57] <rbelem> ScottK, how long was your flight?
[14:04] <ScottK> rbelem: Too long.  I had to fly to Atlanta and then back to Baltimore.  We flew almost right over my house two hours before we got to Atlanta.
[14:04] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: Could you reject kde4libs please? I'd like to merge kde4libs 4.4.3-2 from Debian.
[14:04] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Will do.
[14:05] <rbelem> ScottK, wow
[14:05] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: It's in binary New now, so it's really too late for a reject, just upload it again.
[14:06] <JontheEchidna> OK
[14:06] <rbelem> hey guys do you have packages for  qt4.7? 
[14:06] <Quintasan> Was it even released yet?
[14:07] <ScottK> Quintasan: Beta is out.
[14:07] <ScottK> rbelem: Someone has them in a PPA, I don't recall who.
[14:08] <ScottK> rbelem: I think you'll like the package split Debian did for kde4libs.  It's a lot less monolithic now.
[14:09] <rbelem> ScottK, do we need to work on qt4.7 packages? i already got it compiled. i removed lot of patches that are already in upstream
[14:10] <rbelem> ScottK, cool! :-) the packages are in debian unstable?
[14:10] <ScottK> Riddell: When do you want to move to 4.7 in Maverick?  Now or wait for the RC (I'm asking because of the BIC change that screwed us with 4.6).
[14:11] <ScottK> rbelem: Also in Maverick, but watinging in the New queue for archive admin review.
[14:11] <ScottK> rbelem: You can see them here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+queue?queue_state=0
[14:12] <rbelem> cool :-)
[14:12] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: are you doing debdiffs between debian and ubuntu? I think that's pretty useless because it contains changes in code, not in packaging :S
[14:12] <Riddell> ScottK: I'm planning for tomorrow
[14:12] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[14:12] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: I usually just diff -Nru the debian dirs. I didn't write the guide on that merge page :P
[14:12] <ScottK> rbelem: ^^^ there you go, I suspect he's got it about ready already.
[14:12] <rbelem> hey Riddell :-)
[14:13] <Riddell> hi rbelem, get home ok?
[14:13] <Riddell> ScottK: I don't think I know how to remove an image from the published page, there may not be a clean way to do it
[14:13] <JontheEchidna> rbelem: This is how they will be split up pretty soon: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/4:4.4.3a-0ubuntu1/+build/1741674
[14:13] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  I'll ask slangasek if you don't mind.
[14:13] <rbelem> yeah :-) the role travel was very fast :-) just one day. it usually takes i day and a half
[14:14] <JontheEchidna> All kdelibs5 rdepends will need to be rebuild to take advantage of the split
[14:14] <JontheEchidna> s/rebuild/rebuilt
[14:14] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: thanks, I think this guide needs a serious rewrite :P
[14:14] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: iirc rgreening did that during the jaunty cycle or so :P
[14:15] <JontheEchidna> back when we were merging from debian experimental for KDE 4.2 :S
[14:15] <rbelem> sweet
[14:15] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: hmm also, why do we have 4.4.2 while debian has 4.4.3?
[14:16] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: because 4.4.3 was never uploaded to maverick. It's getting done during the merges right now, though
[14:16] <Quintasan> Hmm, I see it now
[14:16] <Quintasan> That's why I get tons of code inside of the debdiff
[14:27] <Quintasan> wut, we have merge from debian on 4.3.3 and debian's changelog says there was no 4.3.3 :O
[14:29] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: one thing, should I be removing our entries from changelog?
[14:31] <Riddell> Quintasan: no
[14:31] <Quintasan> Riddell:  <our last merge entry> + <changes in debian since last mege> + <rest of our changes> ?
[14:32] <maco> you dont just summarise whatever changes weren't already upstreamed into being the current changelog entry?
[14:32] <Riddell> Quintasan: yes
[14:32] <Riddell> maco: I like to keep our complete changelog history, it's often useful
[14:32] <Riddell> other teams disagree
[14:33] <maco> ah so this is one of those things where different core devs give different answers?
[14:33] <Riddell> it's one of those things where my answer is the correct answer :)
[14:33] <rgreening> morning all
[14:34]  * maco rolls eyes
[14:34] <maco> rgreening: hello 
[14:34] <Quintasan> rgreening: \o
[14:34] <Quintasan> maco: hi there
[14:34] <rgreening> Im soooo tired
[14:35] <apachelogger> +1
[14:37] <Quintasan> urgh those merges are giving me a headache
[14:37] <Quintasan> too much damned files
[14:39] <ScottK> maco: The fact that some developers think it's a good idea to lose history doesn't change what the right answer is.
[14:40] <maco> ok
[14:43] <apachelogger> mhhh
[14:44] <apachelogger> <3 the kolab plans
[14:44] <shtylman> heh
[14:44] <apachelogger> needs to be buzzed about
[14:44] <shtylman> yea.. me too since it means they will do the testing for us
[14:44] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: kde-sc-dev-latest (>= 4:4.4.3) <-- wtf?
[14:44] <apachelogger> also makes us appear more businessy
[14:44] <apachelogger> which is why it needs to be buzzed about
[14:44] <shtylman> heh
[14:45] <ScottK> Maybe now ryanakca can actually do the idea he had several cycles ago about providing Kolab server access for Kubuntu devs.
[14:47]  * apachelogger thinks that a groupware could help with organizational stuff within kubuntu ^^
[14:47] <apachelogger> anyhow
[14:47] <apachelogger> this->goTo(new Lecture::Databases1());
[14:48] <jjesse> thatwould be cool
[14:49] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: That's a new bit Debian introduced
[14:50] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: It's their solution to making sure that all the build depend tree is there before building
[14:50] <JontheEchidna> Once I get kde4libs all sorted out it should be possible to continue on with the next layer
[14:51] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: So I should copypasta it?
[14:51] <ofirk> davmor2: What is isd?
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: yeah
[14:52] <davmor2> ofirk: Department inside canonical what is the issue you are having
[14:53] <ofirk> I want to redesign shipit.kubuntu.org
[14:55] <ofirk> so, I want to contact the guys responsible for the shipit website
[15:07] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: new kde4libs uploaded. Once it passes new queue, just ask and I'll be able to sponsor anything on the first branch of the dependency tree
[15:08]  * rgreening is porting the dell-recovery latest version to KDE/Qt so we can haz easier dell-recovery for Kubuntu with restore partition for Lucid +
[15:09]  * rgreening thinks having dell-community supported kubuntu for installation is teh awesome :)
[15:11] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: urgh, I'm not entriely sure what can I delete, some lines were moved down a few lines so I'm applying it just because it will create confusion later, basically everything deleted in debian should be deleted in our *.install files?
[15:11] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: could you paste the diff that you're using?
[15:13] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: kdebase-workspace-data.install -> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/69524/debian-to-ubuntu.diff
[15:13] <Quintasan> I'm pretty sure we are not moving docs to kde4 dir
[15:13] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: workspace? ScottK had requested to do that one. the wiki says you're doing runtime
[15:13] <Quintasan> omg
[15:14] <Quintasan> I'm writing crap
[15:14] <Quintasan> don't mind me
[15:14] <Quintasan> :P
[15:14] <JontheEchidna> ah, kk
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: yes, the doc path should be kept at doc/kde/
[15:18] <Quintasan> @_@
[15:18] <Quintasan> this looks like a nightmare
[15:18] <Quintasan> :S
[15:18] <Quintasan> kubotu: ~order brain
[15:18] <Quintasan> ~order brain
[15:18]  * kubotu shouts: OMG!!!!! RED ALERT! We lost a brain. Get me a medic, NOW!
[15:18] <Quintasan> :S
[15:18] <ScottK> That seems to be going around today.
[15:19] <Quintasan> It's inevitable when merging.
[15:19] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: debian might have moved some files in between .install files too. When that happens, do the same and make the new destination package replace the old package << (4:4.4.60)
[15:19] <maco> how do i say "no this doesnt need a merge, it needs a sync" about something on the merge list?
[15:20] <JontheEchidna> maco: on the KDE merges list? I usually just put the bug number of the sync request there
[15:20] <maco> no on a universe one but i figured one of you would know anyway ;-)
[15:20] <JontheEchidna> ah, merges.ubuntu.com?
[15:20] <maco> also i was already looking at this channel 
[15:20] <maco> yes
[15:21] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, putting the bug number and a little note about it needing a sync should be fine
[15:27] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: Oh, have you seen the kubuntu-debian-differences file? That's also a big help
[15:34] <Quintasan> damn, I starting from scratch
[15:51] <shtylman> Riddell: do we have qt imported into launchpad yet?
[15:51] <shtylman> if not .. I will start with that
[15:53] <Riddell> shtylman: from packages yes but not from git (https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/maverick/qt4-x11/maverick)
[15:53] <shtylman> Riddell: k.. I will request an import from git...  what should it be called?
[15:54] <shtylman> also... do you have any clue on how it works with the git branches?
[15:54] <shtylman> the import tool also wants a project to associate the import with
[15:55] <shtylman> seems like I need to create one for qt in launchpad...
[15:55] <shtylman> if I do that... who should I assign it to? cause kubuntu people should be able to update it ... etc
[15:56] <shtylman> there is this: https://edge.launchpad.net/qt
[15:56] <shtylman> is that the right project?
[15:56] <Riddell> that's the right project
[15:56] <shtylman> k
[15:56] <Riddell> I've never done a successful code import however so I don't really know any more than you how it works
[15:56] <shtylman> k
[15:57] <shtylman> I will attempt to conjure magic
[15:57] <Riddell> I also don't understand Git so am unlikely to be helpful there
[15:57] <rbelem> i can help with git
[15:57] <rbelem> :-)
[15:58] <rbelem> hey shtylman 
[15:58] <shtylman> rbelem: hey
[15:58] <rbelem> :-)
[15:59] <rbelem> what do we need to do with git?
[15:59] <shtylman> rbelem: nothing with git... we just need to have launchpad import the qt code (which is in git) into itself
[15:59] <rbelem> hum...
[16:00] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: ./usr/share/dbus-1/interfaces/org.kde.nepomuk.OntologyManager.xml <-- Debian has them in not-installed, should I remove them as well?
[16:00] <rbelem> shtylman,  do you want to get the 4.7 branch?
[16:00] <shtylman> rbelem: well... first I am gonna try master
[16:00] <Riddell> Quintasan: yes (unless the changelog specifies that we install them for a reason)
[16:00] <rbelem> or the 4.7-stable?
[16:00] <shtylman> and then see what branches we need from there
[16:00] <shtylman> it will take some poking around to get settled I imagine
[16:01] <Quintasan> Riddell: hmm out not-installed says we need them for playground stuff
[16:01] <amichair> JontheEchidna: how would one connect bug #422174 to kde bug #209464 ? I think that's the match...
[16:01] <Riddell> Quintasan: then we want to keep them installed
[16:02] <Riddell> Quintasan: usually those interface files are not needed but I think in that case we have a package that needs them for building
[16:02] <rbelem> shtylman, cool! which url are you using?
[16:03] <shtylman> rbelem: git://gitorious.org/qt/qt.git
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> amichair: There's a link on the top right corner of the page "mark as duplicate"
[16:04] <amichair> JontheEchidna: and how do I specify that it's a kde bug?
[16:04] <JontheEchidna> Oh, kde bug
[16:04] <maco> amichair: ah no not hte duplicate thing
[16:05] <maco> amichair: click "also affects project"
[16:05] <JontheEchidna> missed that bit
[16:05] <rbelem> shtylman, ok :-)
[16:05] <maco> amichair: choose kde, then paste the url into the box
[16:06] <rbelem> shtylman, if you need help with git, poke me ;-)
[16:07] <shtylman> rbelem: will do
[16:07] <amichair> maco: thanks
[16:07] <maco> np
[16:08] <amichair> hopefully some of the many lp reporters will write a note or add a vote to upstream report...
[16:09] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: I think I'm done, do you want all three (sid-current, sid-new, current-new)?
[16:10] <Quintasan> three diffs*
[16:10] <JontheEchidna> I like current-debian, current-merged and debian-merged
[16:12] <Quintasan> oh
[16:12] <Quintasan> k
[16:14] <JontheEchidna> I like current-debian better than debian-current, because it shows what you have to add and remove to get closer to the debian package, which is the point of merging
[16:15]  * Quintasan notes this down
[16:15] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/69524/diffs.tar.bz2
[16:15] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: be sure to smack me in the head if I'm doing it wrong
[16:15] <Quintasan> ;)
[16:25] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: debian/control needs some work. all of the conflicts/replaces on the -kde4 packages can be dropped, for one thing, and it needs a once-over in general
[16:31] <shtylman> Riddell: I can't set the project for the vcs import to "Qt" ... says invalid value :(
[16:32] <shtylman> and I can't search for the qt project cause the search wants at least 3 characters
[16:32] <Riddell> lower case?
[16:32] <shtylman> wow
[16:33] <shtylman> oh noes!
[16:33] <shtylman> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~shtylman/qt/trunk
[16:33] <shtylman> it is importing into that...
[16:33] <shtylman> and not the qt project... sigh
[16:33] <maco> ooh! rekonq doesnt have a statusbar taking up space! <3
[16:33] <Riddell> shtylman: that is into the qt project
[16:34] <shtylman> Riddell: not directly... that makes it a branch of the qt project under my name
[16:34] <maco> goodness why is quassel using over 300mb of ram?
[16:34] <Riddell> maco: nice isn't it, although for some reason it uses a kpassivepopup instead of just a qlabel
[16:34] <shtylman> I was going for more of a direct branch... i.e. lp:qt/trunk
[16:34] <shtylman> I suppose this is a start
[16:34] <maco> shtylman: you mark the one under yours as being trunk for the project
[16:34] <maco> its an alias
[16:35] <Riddell> shtylman: anything like that is an alias
[16:35] <shtylman> ooo fancy
[16:35] <maco> (i recently learned how to make a project in lp)
[16:35] <maco> though umm rekonq seems to go all "i'm just gonna hang and not draw the webpage" quite a bit
[16:35] <maco> i wonder if its mishandling flash?
[16:49] <rgreening> shtylman: any pointers to porting gtk ubiquity pliugins to kde?
[16:49] <rgreening> besides run away :0
[16:49] <shtylman> hahaha
[16:50] <shtylman> rgreening: all you have to do is implement the same methods.. usually found in the base class for that plugin
[16:50] <rgreening> shtylman: I am trying to port the dell-recovery app to support kde recovery. The new version uses ubiquity and a couple of plugins
[16:50] <shtylman> k
[16:50] <shtylman> if you look at any of the plugins
[16:51]  * rgreening has no experience in ubiquity and plugins
[16:51] <rgreening> :)
[16:51] <shtylman> you will see that there are two classes
[16:51] <shtylman> a PageGtk
[16:51] <shtylman> iirc
[16:51] <shtylman> and a PageKde
[16:51] <shtylman> something like that
[16:51] <shtylman> basically... the plugin system looks for that class in the plugin file
[16:51] <rgreening> e.g.: http://paste.ubuntu.com/435029/
[16:51] <shtylman> if it finds it
[16:51] <shtylman> yea
[16:52] <shtylman> so you need to make a PageKde(PluginUI) class in that same file
[16:52] <rgreening> ya, so, I need to port for example the one pasted above
[16:52] <rgreening> ok
[16:52] <shtylman> and the plugin system will find it
[16:53] <rgreening> shtylman: have a look at the one I pasted and point out some of the obvious changes...
[16:54] <rgreening> shtylman: so, for example plugin_widgets would be set to whatever thew kde equiv is
[16:54] <rgreening> right
[16:54] <shtylman> yep
[16:54] <rgreening> QLabel?
[16:54] <shtylman> plugin_widgets needs to be the main widget for the plugin
[16:54] <shtylman> if that is all you want .. then yes
[16:55]  * rgreening doesnt know\\
[16:55] <rgreening> :(
[16:55] <shtylman> you will need to import PyQt4.QtGui QLabel
[16:55] <shtylman> heh
[16:55]  * rgreening is noob for ubiquity
[16:55] <rgreening> :)
[16:55] <shtylman> I don't know what this plguin does... so I can't really say what you "need"
[16:55] <apachelogger> that sounds very ubiquity specific :P
[16:55] <apachelogger> can we use qlabel outside it too?
[16:55] <shtylman> but whatever it is... plugin_widgets needs to be some sort of widget
[16:56] <apachelogger> sounds like a useful thing :P
[16:56]  * apachelogger invokes the merge magic
[16:57] <CIA-6> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100517155714-hgxfil03spzg6pdk * (30 files in 6 dirs) Merge API branch.
[16:58]  * rgreening needz beer
[16:58] <apachelogger> u1-kde is now at 2467 SLOC
[16:58] <apachelogger> and the api is not even completely implemented :P
[17:50] <txwikinger> Anybody else experience lockups with rekonq when opening a new tab?
[17:51] <Riddell> try the daily build
[17:55] <maco> Riddell: ppa?
[17:55] <Riddell> yes
[17:55]  * maco headdesk
[17:55] <maco> WHICH ONE?
[17:55] <Riddell> THIS ONE!
[17:55] <Riddell> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/rekonq/rekonq-daily/ubuntu lucid main
[17:56] <maco> thank ya
[17:57] <neversfelde> there is a problem with minitube for GNOME users, I made it depend on phonon, because I thought that is what Debian does, but phonon-backend-gstreamer is not installed, if you use GNOME. The testing packages in my PPA had a dependency on phonon-backend-xine | phonon-backend and they worked. Now I am unsure what is correct?
[17:58] <maco> Riddell: you know, we forgot to give seele that chocolate we bought her
[17:59] <Riddell> neversfelde: phonon seems to depend on phonon-backend-xine | phonon-backend
[17:59] <Riddell> maco: we did indeed, whatever happened to it?
[18:00] <maco> Riddell: its sitting next to me, still in the plastic
[18:01] <neversfelde> Riddell: yes, so GNOME users should get phonon-backend-gstreamer when they install minitube, or is that wrong?
[18:01] <maco> seele: we should meet up at some point so you can have the chocolate Riddell and i got your for valentines day
[18:01] <Riddell> neversfelde: no they'd get phonon-backend-xine
[18:01] <Riddell> maco: or just post it
[18:02] <maco> Riddell: dont know her address
[18:02] <neversfelde> ah ok, they should get nothing if phonon-backend-gstreamer is already installed and if not phonon-backend-xine is installed
[18:02] <neversfelde> ?
[18:02] <Riddell> neversfelde: yes
[18:03] <seele> maco: er.. admittedly that's a little weird.
[18:04] <maco> seele: the box said "QT" and we thought of you because well... KDE....Qt...
[18:04] <neversfelde> then I think the package has the correct dependency, but that do not solve anything
[18:05] <maco> Riddell: maybe we're both just creepy punny
[18:05] <seele> maco: well, thanks for the thought anyway :)
[18:06] <ScottK> Thought chocolate isn't nearly as satisfying as the eating kind.
[18:07] <maco> ScottK: right, which is why she ought to meet up with me and retrieve it ;-)
[18:08] <Riddell> dantti: back hame?
[18:08]  * ScottK hands Riddell and "o"
[18:08] <ScottK> and/an
[18:08] <ScottK> Rats
[18:08]  * maco suspects Riddell's slipping back into Scots
[18:09] <dantti> Riddell: yes :D home sweet home :P
[18:10] <dantti> Riddell: btw I have some bug on kubuntu installer
[18:10] <dantti> *bugs
[18:10] <Riddell> uh oh
[18:11] <dantti> I instaled it on my desktop because the font were screewd on my Tv.. gues what .. the bug was on nvidia drivers... :P
[18:12] <neversfelde> Riddell: any idea what I can do to make it work on GNOME desktops? Everyone is crying for a phonon-backend-gstreamer dependency, but I guess no KDE user would like that.
[18:19] <Riddell> neversfelde: I don't understand, does it need phonon-backend-gstreamer?
[18:21] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: On the topic of phonon, it looks like QtWebKit is going to be using QtMultimedia for HTML5 stuff in the future
[18:21] <JontheEchidna> It should either be around by Qt 4.7 or the separate QtWebKit release
[18:21] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: from what thiago said that seems to be in Qt 4.8 only
[18:22] <Riddell> although he wasn't too clear on it
[18:22] <JontheEchidna> oh
[18:22] <Riddell> it's not good though, means dragging in gstreamer onto the CD
[18:22] <neversfelde> Riddell: for KDE users it works without problems, for GNOME users only if phonon-backend-gstreamer and some of it's plugins are installed
[18:22] <Riddell> neversfelde: so for KDE users it works with phonon xine installed, but Gnome users it doesn't work with phonon xine?
[18:23] <neversfelde> yes
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> bleh, pulling in gstreamer sucks
[18:23] <Riddell> neversfelde: that makes no sense
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: would you mind taking a look at kde4libs in new queue?
[18:24] <dantti> Riddell: if I select install kubuntu using brazilian portuguese it opens the plasma-desktop instead of the installer, and the installer has some problems with tab flow (as i installed without a mouse...
[18:24] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: it does a bit, although it might mean an end to the HTML5 qtwebkit problems with phonon-xine
[18:24] <neversfelde> Riddell: a lot of users confirmed that it does not work with phonon-backend-xine on GNOME. I will have a deeper look on that
[18:24] <Riddell> neversfelde: well that makes no sense, there must be some missing package, maybe they don't have libxine1-ffmpeg installed
[18:25] <neversfelde> I am afraid I will have to install GNOME somewhere, thanks Riddell
[18:26] <dantti> Riddell: I also had some problems when starting and shuting down the system, it never finished doing that, on one of the shutdowns I pressed ESC and saw a message saying that something was disconnected, then ctrl + alt + del started the reboot process... pretty weird
[18:27] <Riddell> dantti: shtylman is the man to poke with installer issues
[18:27] <Riddell> neversfelde: a chroot should work
[18:28] <dantti> Riddell: k
[18:29] <shtylman> I heard installer issues
[18:29] <dantti> shtylman: yup
[18:29] <shtylman> I dunno what yall are talking about
[18:29] <shtylman> I know nothing :p
[18:29] <dantti> :P
[18:30] <dantti> shtylman: did you use designer to create the instaler?
[18:30] <shtylman> dantti: yea
[18:31] <dantti> shtylman: so it's pretty ease to fix the tab things you just need to edit the tab order
[18:32] <dantti> shtylman: also iirc the "proceed" button was not the deafault one so I had to keep using tab to proceed to the next question
[18:32] <shtylman> dantti: not quite ... depends what you mean by "tabs"
[18:32] <shtylman> oh.. that tab order
[18:32] <shtylman> yes... that is easy to fix
[18:32] <dantti> yup especially the partition part the tab order was quite out of order :P
[18:33] <shtylman> patches welcome :) .. just note that much of it is being overhauled... especially in the disk areas
[18:34] <dantti> shtylman: and you should elide middle in the selector of FS because i could not see if it was ext3 or ext4 :P
[18:35] <dantti> i would send patches if i had mor time :P
[18:36] <dantti> but i need to get focused otherwise i can't finish a thing :P
[18:41] <shtylman> dantti: indeed... I understand that :)
[18:54] <shtylman> how do I version something for my ppa which does not exist in ubuntu yet?
[18:54] <shtylman> lets say I have version 1.2.3 of a library
[18:55] <shtylman> do I call my version 1.2.3-1ppa1 ?
[18:55] <shtylman> or 1.2.3-0ppa0 ?
[18:55] <shtylman> this versioning seems a bit confusing :)
[18:55] <rbelem> 1.2.3-0~ppa1
[18:55] <Riddell> shtylman: 1.2.3-0ubuntu1~ppa1  probably
[18:56] <shtylman> lordy
[18:56] <Riddell> yes it's messy :)
[18:56] <rbelem> :-)
[18:56] <Riddell> the ubuntu version would be 1.2.3-0ubuntu1  and the ~ makes it less than the previous version
[18:56] <shtylman> I see
[18:56] <shtylman> k... imma try that 
[18:57] <JontheEchidna> shtylman: Is this "something" what I'm thinking it is? :3
[18:57] <shtylman> JontheEchidna: sadly no :( 
[18:57] <JontheEchidna> :(
[18:57] <shtylman> unrelated to qt/kde things
[18:58] <shtylman> but don't worry.... those will come in due time
[18:58] <JontheEchidna> :)
[18:58] <shtylman> qt is importing into lp as we speak
[19:00] <shtylman> :( https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~shtylman/qt/trunk
[19:00] <shtylman> ot finished and now wants to do it again...
[19:00] <shtylman> sadness
[19:01] <rbelem> shtylman, https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading versioning for ppa
[19:03] <shtylman> thanks
[19:03] <rbelem> :-)
[19:04] <shtylman> can one package be uploaded to multiple series?
[19:04] <shtylman> or does the changelog need to be specified for each one
[19:04] <shtylman> i.e. lucid, karmic..etc
[19:05] <JontheEchidna> you might be able to use the ppa copy feature for that
[19:05] <JontheEchidna> copy to your own ppa, but change the series
[19:05] <shtylman> ... go on...
[19:06] <shtylman> ahh I see that
[19:06] <shtylman> interesting...
[19:06] <shtylman> now to figure out how to make it work...
[19:07] <shtylman> so why does this keep telling me that a newer version is available: https://edge.launchpad.net/~shtylman/+archive/acr
[19:07] <shtylman> I am quite certain I named the version right... :(
[19:08] <debfx> shtylman: you need to put the 1: in front of the version
[19:08] <shtylman> ... what...
[19:08] <shtylman> why... how did this happen...
[19:08] <shtylman> what does the 1: even mean?
[19:09] <shtylman> seems like it shouldn't be there..
[19:10] <debfx> it's called an epoch
[19:10] <shtylman> meaning...
[19:10] <JontheEchidna> It means that somebody cocked up the version sometime in the package's history
[19:11] <shtylman> great..
[19:11] <JontheEchidna> and they had to add 1: in front of it to get the version higher than the cocked up version
[19:11] <shtylman> so what does this mean for all future packages?
[19:11] <JontheEchidna> until 2.x, yeah
[19:11] <shtylman> are you kidding me?
[19:11] <JontheEchidna> nope
[19:12] <JontheEchidna> The KDE packages have had an epoch of 4 for 10 years or so
[19:12] <shtylman> *sigh*
[19:13] <JontheEchidna> 11
[19:13] <JontheEchidna> kdebase (4:1.1-19990207-1) unstable; urgency=low
[19:13] <JontheEchidna>   * new upstream version 1.1 and new epoche
[19:13] <Riddell> blame coolo for that, it's a suse conspiracy :)
[19:13] <JontheEchidna>  -- Stephan Kulow <coolo@kde.org>  Sun,  7 Feb 1999 12:12:58 +0100
[19:13] <shtylman> heh
[19:14] <JontheEchidna> We can't drop it until KDE5, which is at least a good 5 years off
[19:14] <Quintasan> lol?
[19:14] <Quintasan> Why so?
[19:15] <JontheEchidna> because 4.x is smaller than 4:4.x
[19:15] <Quintasan> :O
[19:15] <shtylman> why can't the old changelog entries be purged?
[19:15] <JontheEchidna> Users that already had the 4:4.4.x couldn't upgrade to the 4.4.x packages, because the version would be smaller
[19:16] <shtylman> but for a series jump.. ie. maverick...
[19:16] <JontheEchidna> dpkg still views it as a downgrade
[19:16] <shtylman> can't we purge entiries and the upgrade still work?
[19:16] <shtylman> wow
[19:16] <txwikinger> Riddell I use the daily build.. but I can get the newest one, I guess
[19:16] <JontheEchidna> but we've lived with it for 10 years. It looks a bit messy, but doesn't really do anything too bad. What's waiting 5 more years?
[19:17] <shtylman> haha
[19:17] <JontheEchidna> Well, maybe more like 8 years
[19:17] <JontheEchidna> Since Aaron said he wanted KDE4 to last for at least 10 years before KDE5
[19:18]  * txwikinger has actually the newest pacakges
[19:18] <Quintasan> wait, what?
[19:18] <Quintasan> 10 years!?
[19:18] <shtylman> haha
[19:18]  * Quintasan is going to be 27 by then
[19:18] <Quintasan> @_@
[19:18] <shtylman> heh
[19:19]  * txwikinger is amused about those greenhorns here again
[19:20] <Quintasan> txwikinger: ya wanna fight? ;P
[19:20] <txwikinger> Quintasan: In your age you should respect your elders ;)
[19:21] <Quintasan> The Ultimate Argument™
[19:21] <Quintasan> txwikinger: 42
[19:22] <debfx> bumping the epoch is much better than having versions like 10.0.1.218+10.0.0.525ubuntu1~hardy1+really9.0.124.0ubuntu2 (flashplugin in hardy-backports) :D
[19:22] <txwikinger> Yes.. but everybody has forgotten the question
[19:22] <shtylman> debfx: hahahaha
[19:23] <rgreening> Riddell: fixing the usb-creator bugs you submitted
[19:29] <rgreening> Riddell, shtylman: where's the latest svg's for the new Kubuntu branding? I need to update USB Creator branding.
[19:30] <shtylman> rgreening: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuArtwork
[19:30] <shtylman> downlaod the svg
[19:30] <shtylman> don't save as the one on the wiki
[19:30] <shtylman> it is wrong
[19:32] <rgreening> I downloaded the link and its the squished one
[19:32] <rgreening> shtylman: ^
[19:33] <nixternal> hola
[19:33] <rgreening> la-ho
[19:33] <rgreening> :)
[19:34] <shtylman> rgreening: .... hmm
[19:34] <shtylman> shouldn't be...
[19:34] <shtylman> unless Riddell didn't update the file... but I think he said he did
[19:36] <rgreening> shtylman: got a better linkl for my to try?
[19:38] <Riddell> check the history
[19:39] <shtylman> rgreening: nope... that svg should be correct.. lemme look at it
[19:39] <shtylman> rgreening: it is correct
[19:39] <rgreening> hmm... still looks squishy
[19:40] <rgreening> meebee i need glasses
[19:40] <rgreening> ^ better ^ glasses
[19:40] <shtylman> haha
[19:40] <shtylman> nope..it is right
[19:40] <shtylman> the png is wrong
[19:40] <shtylman> but the svg is right
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> dang, that's neat: http://www.omat.nl/2010/05/17/accountwizard-demo/
[19:56] <rgreening> Riddell: updated svg/png for usb-creator
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> I always hated going to the gmail help thingy to get all the pop details...
[20:08] <ScottK> Riddell: I just had a good chat with notmart about agateau's menubar stuff and using it in netbook.  I sense convergence of ideas coming.
[20:13] <shtylman> cool
[21:32] <shtylman> copy package in ppa doesn't want to copy my package
[21:32] <shtylman> :(
[21:33] <shtylman> it will only copy binaries... not rebuild my sources... hmm
[23:06] <shtylman> so launchpad fails to import qt
[23:06] <shtylman> for some reason it finishes... but never actually makes the branch
[23:06] <shtylman> so it tries to reimport
[23:06] <shtylman> quite amusing
[23:16] <shtylman> is already accepted in ubuntu/hardy and you cannot upload the same version within the same distribution. You have to modify the source version and re-upload.
[23:16] <shtylman> I got that error when uploading to my ppa :(
[23:17] <shtylman> my pacakge had ~<mystuff>
[23:17] <shtylman> on the end of it
[23:17] <shtylman> why does it hate me?
[23:25] <oxymoron> Hello guys I am on my girls computer and need help with graphics on a SiS 671MX where I cannot change resolution higher than 800x600 and plymouth shows flimmer and ant wars on bootup, the desktop effects doesnt work turning on
[23:44] <ryanakca> ScottK: IIRC, I had the whole Kolab thing set up, but was hesitant at sending out all the login stuff at the time because I didn't have very much sysadmin experience and didn't want the whole thing crashing down on me if something went wrong.
[23:45] <ryanakca> ScottK: I still have access to the server. Shall I get it back up and running at some point?
[23:52] <Mamarok> oxymoron: please don't cross post, support is in #kubuntu
[23:54] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Sorry I was seeing whch channel answering first and then conitnue there
[23:54] <Mamarok> well, the only support channel is #kubuntu, no need to try the other ones