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amichairhow do I find the backuppc config file that would have been installed when upgrading to lucid (when I chose to keep old config)?00:00
draiksmokealot: For now, just on my computer. I just built my movie server that will have all of my DVDs on demand for me to watch whenever I want.00:01
heathiconmefisto: same here00:09
heathsame error though :\00:09
heathawesome!00:11
heathiconmefisto: i needed @gmail.com on the username00:11
heathworks just fine now!00:11
heathyay, i can finally use kmail for my email00:11
amichairhow do I find a config file that would have been installed when upgrading to lucid (when I chose to keep old config)?00:11
zarlordho00:16
zarlord*hi00:16
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zus#pgp00:30
zusis there a channel for  pgp keys and encryption?00:30
zusi just installed  kgpg and  its not reading the  .gnupg folder.... i dont see any keys  in the  gui00:31
jcgshi00:32
zushi00:32
Mamarokzus: are you sure it is installed correctly?00:33
jcgsmy network manager icon in the tray is showing the unplugged icon, and where the menu should me it only says "network management disabled" any ideas on how to fix it?00:33
Mamarokcheck the settings, the home folder should be $HOME/.gnupg00:33
Mamarokzus: ^00:34
zusMamarok,  i just used kpackagekit for it00:34
Mamarokzus: also, do you store yur keyring in .gnupg/00:35
Mamarokyour*00:35
zusMamarok,  version 2.3.0 KGpg (using kde platform 4.4.300:36
Mamarokzus: I'm not interested in the version, are you sure you have your keyring in that folder I talked about above?00:36
Mamarokalso check the kgpg settings00:37
zusMamarok,  yeah i had made a gnupg key when i was in ubuntu 9.10 and i cut and pasted everything into the  .gnupg folder wich worked in 10-4 till i reinstalled everything00:37
Mamarokwait, you reinstalled, did you export the key before that?00:37
Mamarokcut & paste is not the best way to move a key00:38
zusnope i didnt not export anything00:38
zusi had my .gnupg folder on a thumbdrive  though00:38
Mamarokright... are you sure your keyring is where it should be, including the secret key?00:38
zusyes, i did the same thing when i initially  got 10-400:39
zusand 2 nights i go i reinstalled and  repeated the steps now its not there00:40
zusi only have the one key but the files in the .gnupg are from when i had ubuntu 9.1000:41
Mamarokand did you check the kgpg settings?00:41
zusin the kgpg settings what do i do?00:42
zusi didnt have to do this before, so im not certain00:42
`OnyxHow do I change the colour of the taskbar?00:42
Mamaroksee the GnuPG Settings, make it point to the right folder00:43
Mamarokalso, why did you have to install kgpg? Isn't it installed by default?00:43
Mamarokacording to my info it should be part of the automatic installation of KDE00:43
zus/home/zus/.gnupg/ its seems to be correct, and  i looked everywhere and even tried alt-f2 to open the the program00:44
zusso i used kpackagekit and it was 4.4.2 and 4.4.3 neither was installed00:45
Mamarokonce started it stays in the SysTray. I never had to configure anything, but maybe you need to search for the key: Go to the Keys menu -> import key and select the keyring file00:46
zuswhen the directory folder opens how do i find hidden files?00:48
zusheh nvm,00:48
zusbrb... dinner is done.... thank you for getting me this far....mamarok00:49
Luija1006People whats your opinion about ubuntu installed in Macbook 13 inch?00:49
Mamarokyou need to import the secring.gpg00:49
MamarokLuija1006: please ask in #kubuntu-offtopic, this is a support channel, not for discussions and opinions00:50
MamarokLuija1006: and we use Kubuntu here00:50
Luija1006wrong channel... and this is INtopic00:51
Luija1006bye00:51
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pingvenoDoes NVidia usually support their hardware for longer than ATI?01:06
pingvenoI haven't been able to use some of the pretty window manager effects because ATI stopped supporting my laptop's 3d acceleration. :(01:07
nerdy_kidanyone experianced slow context menus in lucid?  (2-4 secs to pop up)01:07
TN-048I am but I also have a slow computer01:08
amason__pingveno: the free software drivers should support the card sooner or later.01:08
amason__pingveno: what card do you have ?01:08
pingvenoamason__: Looking up...01:09
nerdy_kidTN-048 how slow?01:09
TN-048nerdy_kid: 1.3 ghz01:10
pingvenoamason__: ATI Mobility Radeon x300, bought the computer in late 200501:10
nerdy_kidTN-048 i have dual core 1.4 ghz.  one of my cores pins during the 2-4 sec delay, drives me crazy.  considering switching distros.01:11
amason__pingveno: erm i have a radeon x200 in one of my machines which works ok with the free drivers. Do they not work for you ?01:11
pingvenoThere doesn't seem to be good graphics acceleration.01:11
TN-048nerdy_kid:I have a cheap acer laptop and its laggy but none the less I like it01:11
pingvenoOn KDE, turning on effects takes up 10+% CPU all the time, 100% when I use an effect.01:12
pingvenoAlmost 0% when I turn off Composite01:12
TN-048nerdy_kid: but since the 10.04 release I've noticed that xorg is using alot more cpu01:13
nerdy_kidTN-048 yeah, ive noticed that it now eats ram -- like 100mbs of it.01:14
nerdy_kidstays at around 100 though01:14
Luija1006Kate has problems opening .js greasemonkey scripts in 10.04 because in 9.10 it opened them perfectly whats wrong?01:15
TN-048nerdy_kid: idk but I like kubuntu so i'm sticking with it01:15
nerdy_kidTN-048 i like apt :)  so im sticking debian, but not happy with ubuntus kde implimentation.  will stay kubuntu is i manage to fix the context menu issue though.01:16
Typos_KingLuija1006:     what kind of 'problems'?01:17
billy_Somebody here speaks spanish?01:17
Typos_King!es | billy_01:18
ubottubilly_: En la mayoría de canales de Ubuntu se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español o charlar entra en el canal #ubuntu-es. Escribe "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y dale a enter.01:18
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Mr_Sonomadoes anyone know of a command line utility i could use to delete a message off a IMAP email server? I don't want to download the message i just want to delete it01:23
Mr_Sonomawould mutt do the job without trying to download messages? anyone know?01:24
Typos_KingI think mutt will do it, however it will probably be interactive01:30
Mr_Sonomamy problem is someone sent a video to me on a company email account, message is so big i keep getting time out errors about 50% through it with kmail01:31
amason__Mr_Sonoma: kmail has some issues left over from the old days. These will all be solved when they move to akonadi but the port is still in progress so it may not work for all use cases.01:35
amason__mutt or thunderbird should work fine01:35
amason__actually quite like the new version of thunderbird.01:36
billy_Some girl here to chat for a while?01:36
Typos_Kinghehe01:36
Mr_Sonomai normally don't have this issue, although i occasionally get a akonadi server log error warning01:36
Typos_Kingbilly_:    what about a hairy bearded guy, no good?01:37
Mr_Sonomait was only WHEN this email was sent that i started seeing this01:37
macobilly_: this is a sdupport channel01:39
zusMamarok, im back sorry i had to run for a few,... if i delete the .gnupg folder then  made a new key will it create a new folder?01:39
Mamarokzus: did yu try to import they key first?01:49
Mamarokno need to delete that folder01:49
zusMamarok,  yes nothing was processed01:49
Mamarokhow many gpg files do yu have in there?01:50
Mamarokyou*01:50
zus just my one from when i made it to sign the  ucoc01:50
Mamarokzus: you should have two files, one called keyring.gpg, the other one secring.gpg01:50
Mamarokand you need to import both01:51
zusi do not have the keyring one01:51
Mamarokouch01:51
Mamarokdo you have it elsewhere maybe?01:51
zuskeyring.gpg is missing but i have the secring.gpg.  i might i'd have to look through some files01:52
zusimporting both of them should fix me up?01:52
Mamarokyou should, because if you have to create a new key, you will also have to make the old one expirate, did you create an expiration file?01:53
Mamarokyes, the secring.gpg is your secret key, the keyring.gpg contains all keys you downloaded and signed01:53
macoi think your keyring has ones you imported without signing too01:53
zusi dont think i set an expiredate on my key01:53
Mamarokand make sure to keep a secure copy somewhere, by exporting it to a file01:53
Mamarokmaco: yes, all the downloaded keys01:54
Mamarokzus: the problem is if you have no expiration date and loose that key, it can't be deactivated, so at least an expiration file should be created to be able to deactivate the key01:55
Mamaroka revocation file I mean01:56
zuslet me try to find the file brb.01:56
Mamarokzus: I need to go, already hours over bedtime01:56
zusthank you for helping me01:56
Mamarokyou are welcome :)01:57
zusrest easy01:57
Mamarokthanks :)01:57
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Traveller_N125Does anyone know where I can find the "Launch Feedback" settings in lucid lynx?02:53
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tux_hello03:06
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`OnyxHow do I change the colour of the taskbar?03:24
danim new? what is this lol03:34
danjust a chat room iguess03:35
amason__dan: yeh chat for kubuntu related goings on03:35
amason__and basic level support03:35
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recentdeletedear people, I'm trying to get in #ubuntu but I can't manage to /join even after floodbot1 grants me access :( anyone know how I can help this?05:13
recentdeleteanyone? (in case anyone has replied, it might be some internet or webchatclient problem, I can only see join and leave messages)05:17
Rondohi I'm having trouble figuring out how to empty trash in inserted media. I delete .Trash-1000 but still the device is lacking the free space it should have06:29
zusanyone have issues with ktorrent and pirate bay? the page just cuts off06:29
ForgeAusI dont use thepiratebay06:36
ForgeAustry btjunkie if its still around :) I used to like that site06:36
ForgeAusno idea if its any good still tho06:36
ForgeAus(too long since I've been there)06:36
eagles0513875morning i keep getting an error with apt-authentication with one of the mirrors that im using06:39
eagles0513875the other day there was an apt update which updated the apt authentication and it seems to have messed up my repos and i cant seem to update06:39
RondoI have tried to "safely remove" the device and still 700 megs out of 2 gigs are missing. .trash folder is empty, where is the phantom data?06:44
Rondosurely one of you must be familiar with how to work a thumbdrive...06:45
eagles0513875Rondo: you probably have a 2nd partition06:46
eagles0513875that linux cant see06:46
eagles0513875Rondo: install gparted and then run sudo gparted and it will show you your partitions and everythign deleted all the partitions then reformat the way you want06:47
eagles0513875anyone have any ideas as to http://pastebin.com/g5rsXDxn its getting really annoying and i cant run apt-get update to update the local repo list as well as upgrade any packages06:51
Rondoeagles0513875: thanks I'll look into that06:53
eagles0513875Rondo: no problem06:53
Rondoeagles0513875: as for your problem I think you can find a .deb to provide keys for the ailing repo. can you tell which repo is malfunctioning, or is it all of them?06:55
eagles0513875yes its a mirror that i use06:56
eagles0513875as the local mirror for my location is horrible06:56
eagles0513875Rondo: i googled and i only found an error like that but for a ppa which this isnt06:56
Rondoeagles0513875: but if you try to apt something else, the other repo's keys are still working?06:57
zusForgeAus,  sorry normally this time its forever before i get an answer so i was youtubing06:57
eagles0513875the other repos of the mirror im using update just fine there is this one which isnt and it only started occuring after an apt update the other day06:57
Rondoeagles0513875: like not something in lucid-proposed but something basic you would find in the base repos06:57
eagles0513875Rondo: i dunno but this is starting to get me frustrated i dont like having an unupdated system06:58
Rondoeagles0513875: right. i think if at least your other repos are fine you could overlook the issue. possible an updated key would be provided in an update as soon as they figure out what went wrong06:59
eagles0513875Rondo: i cant even update06:59
eagles0513875let me try something07:00
Rondoeagles0513875: try disabling the one repo for now and check back on it in a day or two. gotta go good luck07:02
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funcrushHi all, ESC key doesn't work well, after press Alt+F2, the key doesn't work. And in VI, the key doesn't work too, anybody help me?07:38
jussifuncrush: now is a bit of a quiet time, so please be patient, and maybe try again a little later.07:44
funcrushjussi: ok i see07:44
LantiziaHas anyone else noticed when you view the connection info (by right clicking say Auth eth0) on KNetworkManager... the Nameservers are written BACKWARDS? :D07:45
sobczyk_hi, I'm trying to connect to irc.rizon.net with konversation, but something won't let me to connect, web client works  fine07:47
sobczyk_is there some way to troubleshoot it?07:47
KubryHello. Any of you use ktimetracker?08:29
KubryAnd has seen he can not add/substract "times"?08:29
silv3r_m00ncan I take an export of all username and passwords from this kdewallet thing ?08:52
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amichairhow do I set up wireless on KNR with a hidden SSID?09:32
amichairwhere'd everyone go?09:50
thomasfustonMornin', i got a short question about the kde panel, i wanna add icons, for example opera-starter and wanna change the icon of the starter, but i dont know how to do that09:50
amichairthomasfuston: you can put the panel in edit mode by clicking the little yellow cashew thing at its edge, and then u can add widgets, move them around, etc.09:51
thomasfustonamichair: yah i can add an "opera starter" but with the standart opera icon, i wanna change this standart icon just for the panel09:52
amichairthomasfuston: maybe right-click the icon and edit settings? (guessing)09:53
thomasfustonamichair: thought so too, buut wrong :)09:53
amichairI see Quick Access icons settings can be used to change the icons, but I guess not every icon09:54
amichairthomasfuston: you can always try to change the icon mangually in the .desktop file09:55
amichairheh, it's funny that the menu option is called 'icon settings' but the one thing you can't change is the icon :-)09:56
thomasfustonamichair: yah to bad :)09:59
pero90Hello i`ve got problem with OpenOffice Base under kubuntu 10.04, i create tabase , tables and relations - but when i try to add for example a simple query or report I`ve got always error : access denied . Cannot get data from ... Is i must run some kind of mysl server, or create user to simply use my databes on local computer ?10:50
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adambaylinHey, all I'm new on this.11:13
adambaylinso can anyone give me some information about this?11:13
adambaylin anyone here11:13
adambaylinh11:13
GaelicGrimeinformation about what adambaylin    I suspect that if you ask someone may pipe up11:17
adambaylinwell11:18
adambaylinis there anyother room than kubuntu11:18
adambaylinlike other channels11:18
GaelicGrimeplenty of other channels, you can search them by sending a message to alis or using your IRC clients list feature11:19
discozohani have intergrated intel video chipset, what drivers should i install ?11:19
gotttoit will be installed already discozohan11:20
* GaelicGrime would have no clue discozohan, all of my machines and cards have been autodetected and dealt with awesomely11:20
discozohanHmm, dragging of all of my opened windows seems to be lagging11:21
discozohanso, as i thought, it is video card problem11:21
discozohan;<11:21
GaelicGrimeI have started experiencing a slow down in the last 12 hours similar to that (thus my sitting here to see what drops by)11:21
gotttodiscozohan: you can check   /var/log/Xoeg.0.log   to see which one it is using11:22
gotttooops Xorg.0.log11:22
discozohanhm, ok. Btw, where can i change my resolution ?11:24
gotttono idea in kde4 but in konsole   xrandr   tells what are available and   xrandr -s 1280x1024   or whatever changes it11:27
AhmedBHhi all, WHY cant i save my resolution @ 1280x1024 and after a restart it gets back to default @_@11:28
gotttoAhmedBH: using an xorg.conf?11:29
AhmedBHno no i dont have that11:29
AhmedBHits by11:29
AhmedBHxrandr11:29
AhmedBHby the way11:29
gotttoit should stick afaik - tried the gui way?11:30
AhmedBHon Gnome it works fine.. only with KDE after each restat i gotta change it according to my monitor11:30
srikantHi Room11:31
GaelicGrimeI have found that I also need to edit an xorg.conf with my resolution every other release of *buntu on one of my machines, the other never fails to autorecognize11:32
ForgeAusargh LXDE stole the default from KDE!11:32
srikantI have query on Kubuntu 10.04 desktop, plasmoid Digital clock setting !11:32
ForgeAussrikant: ???11:33
srikantHow can I set the default plasmoid digital clock size to large size, as in Fedora KDE 4.4. ?11:33
ForgeAusI don't know fedora 4.4 but if you mess with the height of the panel it will adjust fonts so that might be larger for you11:34
ForgeAus(ie rightclick panel and panel settings or click on the "cashew" at the end of the panel and click height then drag up / down)11:35
ForgeAusit changes configuration/size of things...11:35
ForgeAusfind where you feel most comfortable with it then release and turn off the config11:36
srikantYes, I am pretty sure about the mess up related to panel height size, but the size remains same, even If I reconfigure the panel, newly !11:36
ForgeAusoh ok11:37
ForgeAuswell then I don't know11:37
srikantThe same behaviour of plasmoid digital clock size setting in seen in openSUSE 11.3 M6, even newly created .kde after removing .kde creates large digital clock in the panel by default11:37
srikants/in/is11:38
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ForgeAusKDE4 sits really well on SUSE from what I heard11:45
ForgeAus(that was mostlyfrom around the time of Intrepid)11:46
ForgeAusthings may have changed since11:46
ForgeAus(KDE4 wasn't so great in Kubuntu yet back then)11:46
eagles0513875ForgeAus: i have seen it evolve and its amazing imho11:53
srikantBut KDE 4.4.3 plays well in Kubuntu 10.04.. Lot of things are impressive.. but few settings related to fonts must be improved yet!11:58
ForgeAusI agree11:58
srikantIs ayatana/colibri better than default notification system.. available in Kubuntu 10.04 ?12:00
srikantAnd also Kubuntu Lucid requires "Ubuntu Software Center" by default !!12:03
srikantThe synaptic manager is ported to kde4 in Linux Mint 8 (KDE), but Kubuntu has not tried for that option12:05
* GaelicGrime commits grievous sins and just loads synaptic anyway because it just work "right" for me12:07
discozohanhow can i make, that every virtual desktop could have just only his own applications12:07
discozohani don't want to share them among all virtual desktops12:07
discozohani want the same behaviour, as default in gnome12:08
GaelicGrimeright click the task manager and edit the options if I understand the question correctly12:08
discozohanhmm12:10
discozohanfor example, i am currently at desktop one12:10
discozohanthere are opened applications there, for example - xchat12:10
discozohanwhen i switch to second desktop, i also so there xchat12:10
discozohani can't find related configuration in virtual desktop configuration12:11
discozohani also see*12:11
GaelicGrimeyes right click the task manager and select "task manager options"12:12
GaelicGrimeoptions->settings12:12
GaelicGrimefilters12:12
GaelicGrimecheck "only showtasks from this desktop"12:13
srikantnareshbhat: ping12:18
nareshbhatpong12:21
discozohan<GaelicGrime>, thanks ;) it worked12:29
GaelicGrime:)12:29
srikantThere is difference between default fonts shown in KDE 4.4.3 on kde.org and the one provided in Kubuntu Lucid, is their any place where can find the exact fonts settings shown in http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.4.3.php12:30
nareshbhatI have the same query, how to set desktop fonts like in Open Suse 11.3 for Kubuntu 10.412:33
petr_yayay12:36
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assdrillerreturnallo12:36
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ladasssssssssss12:37
ladatgg12:37
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discozohanbtw, resolution can be changed in kde control center -> screen12:57
ladabrothers12:58
ladadiscozohan hello bro12:58
discozohanxDD12:58
discozohanhello, nigga12:58
ladadiscozohan  nigga?   I am snowman12:59
discozohanxDDD12:59
tsimpson!language12:59
ubottuPlease watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.12:59
ladadiscozohan   let talk in private?12:59
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assssssxmandiscozohan go to private channel13:00
assssssxmanI find frieands13:01
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asssbrosssxmanLet Talk about Kubuntu 10 ?13:02
asssbrosssxmanI use 8 edition   and I want new ))13:02
asssbrosssxmanbut I do not want to reinstall ALL my applications --- so  I use old sh0t13:03
asssbrosssxmancause13:03
asssbrosssxmanbye?13:04
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cristian_alguem do brasil ai13:29
cristian_fiz um negocio interessante aqui no ubuntu13:29
ForgeAusinteresting ubuntu-desktop includes compiz now?14:12
calderayou speak turkish14:12
ForgeAusI'm adding ubuntu-desktop to my kubuntu install14:12
ForgeAusI do want to switch defualts back to KDE tho, it wasn't (or sofar isn't ubuntu-desktop thats bothering me, its lxde that stole my defaults...)14:14
ForgeAusnot that I mind the LXDE desktop I just prefer KDE to remain the default... (unless I change it explicitly)14:14
Pici!tr | caldera14:15
ubottucaldera: Turk ubuntu kullanıcıları, Türkçe yardım ya da geyik için #ubuntu-tr hizmetinizde.14:15
otswimhi i'm using kde 4.4.3 on kubuntu 10.04 and i have a one second delay when i right-click on some file icon on my desktop; could someone help me?14:38
funcrush_I set a hotkey at konsole with in KDE Menu Editor, but it doesn't work, anybody help me/14:39
Hazamonzohmm, should the xorg process ever be consuming 25% of my quad core 2.6ghz ?14:41
hafidz /msg ubottu !bot14:41
Hazamonzoits making my desktop pretty slow and im not even doing anything >:(14:42
* Hazamonzo has not had much luck with 10.04 so far :'(14:43
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HazamonzoI think its down to this crappy ATI driver, gaaah!14:44
boabstahi i just installed Kubuntu 10.4 on a AMD Athlon 1.2GHz with Nvidia 5200 but it hangs whenever i logout - is this a known issue or am i really unlucky?14:45
boabsta^ thats 32bit14:46
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lavincould anyone tell me why my wireless card broadcom 4312 will not show up when i'm using the b43-fwcutter ? it works ok using the bcmw-STA driver !14:50
c3lwhat program should I use if I want to set up a FTP-server. criterias is that I want existing users to be able to log in and get files, also that I can assign any folders to be available through the ftp (but not all! I must specify which folders that are accessible through the FTP)14:58
kubuntianohi, I have a problem with the OpenOffice word: I had a row with underscores _ and I automatically created a complete line that now I can not remove in any way .. Who can help me? Thanks14:58
boabstac3l: vsftp might do what you want14:58
ForgeAuskubuntiano: try #openoffice if there is one???14:59
boabstakubuntiano: try #Openoffice.org14:59
c3lboabsta: hm okay thanks, does it have a gui for configuring it?15:00
kubuntianook thx15:00
amichairdoes KNR wifi work with hidden SSID?15:14
JontheEchidnaamichair: that's been a historical source of problems15:22
JontheEchidna(fwiw, the wireless stacks of KNR and the desktop editions should be identical)15:23
JontheEchidnas/should be/are15:23
amichairoh hey JontheEchidna, fancy meeting you here :-)15:26
JontheEchidna;)15:26
boabstac3l: google KVsftpdManager for a KDE control centre plugin - i've never tried it though15:27
c3lboabsta: oh, thanks!15:27
amichairJontheEchidna: so I have to unhide it, or is there a solution?15:28
JontheEchidnaamichair: I'm not sure of a solution, unfortunately. If it's not working it is a bug with knetworkmanager.15:28
boabstac3l: actually that maybe only works for KDE3, not sure mate15:28
JontheEchidnaamichair: you could try running the nm-applet gnome frontend15:29
c3lboabsta: oh haha, well Ill look around, thanks =)15:29
amichairJontheEchidna: if only I could get online to install it :-P15:30
JontheEchidnaheh15:30
helder_Hi15:35
helder_i have 1 question15:36
helder_can you help me?15:36
c3lhelder_: dont ask to ask15:36
c3l!ask15:36
ubottuPlease don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)15:36
helder_is my desktop i select a wallpaper but dosent show...15:37
c3lhelder_: right click on an empty spot on your desktop and choose "Desktop Activity Settings"15:38
helder_right15:38
helder_other thing15:39
c3lin there you can choose different wallpapers, download new, or browse your filesystem for already downloaded images. select the image you want. and klick apply15:39
c3lor OK15:39
rjwillhello all15:39
helder_im using a kubuntu 64bits can i use app from 32bits?15:39
c3lhelder_: yes, it's backward compatible15:39
helder_cool15:39
helder_many tanks....15:40
c3lyw15:40
rjwilljust installed kubuntu 10.04. my wired network device does not come up on it's own. I've tried adding it to /etc/network/interfaces and also to the "network connections" app with "connect automaticallY" checked but nothign seems to work15:41
rjwillif i login and run 'ifup eth0' it comes right up15:42
rjwillany ideas?15:42
helder_lol boot config on bios setup?15:42
rjwillim using a static network address not dhcp15:44
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ubuntu___hello everyone16:06
ubuntu___i lost the grub,i am not able to boot into kubuntu. i want to update grub, i am in the live session of kubuntu lts. i tried the command "sudo update-grub" i am getting an error message "/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?).16:09
ubuntu___"16:09
ubuntu___can anyone help me16:09
DarthFrogYou have a terminal open?16:11
ubuntu___ya16:12
DarthFrogOK, do you know which partition is the root partition?16:12
ubuntu___ya sda216:12
DarthFrogOK, all the rest is done in that terminal session.  Type "sudo -i"16:13
DarthFrog"mkdir /mnt/disk"16:13
DarthFrog"mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/disk"16:13
DarthFrog"chroot /mnt/disk"16:13
DarthFrogNow run your "update-grub".16:14
boabstahas anyone else had a blank screen and unresponsive keyboard after logging out of KDE? Using KUbuntu 10.4 installed from fresh. It needs a hard reboot to fix :(16:16
DarthFrogboabsta: Yah, that happens to me all the time.  Shrug.  Nuisance.16:17
boabstaDarthFrog: is there any work-arounds/fixes? and is there a bug report already filed about it?16:17
boabstaI've googled and looks like it was a big issue in 2007 too!16:18
DarthFrogboabsta: No idea.  It's an occasional nuisance to me, that's all.  I just live with it.16:18
DarthFrogOccasionally, I forget and press Alt-SysReq-K (I miss Ctl-Alt-Backspace!) and then have to reboot.16:19
boabstaDarthFrog: happens every time to me - was looking forward to KUbuntu 10.4 too :( looks like a bad one after googling around bug reports from 2007 onwards, guess gnome is the way to go sigh16:21
DarthFrogJust don't log out?  :-)16:21
boabstai dont - my missus does though16:22
DarthFrogYou can have two sessions going at the same time, you know.  From Kickoff, click on "Switch User".16:22
boabstaDarthFrog: yeah we do that, had a session each but this morning it hung when my missus tried to login16:23
ubuntu___DarthFrog: i am going to restart my computer, i will be back shortly16:23
DarthFrogFaeces occurs.16:24
boabstaDarthFrog: honestly i seem to have more and more trouble with linux the more mature it gets, windows 7 is looking good to me just now lol16:24
maconah its just tricking you16:24
macoi have to use win7 at work. its *confusing*16:24
DarthFrogHey, if it works for you, go for it.  The OS is a tool, not a religous choice.16:24
noaXesshey hey16:24
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noaXessupgrading to lucid.. now grup-pc upgrading.. i get /dev/sda with /dev/sda1 (32017MB) /dev/sda2 (0MB) and /dev/sda5 (1365MB), where to install grub? /dev/sda1?16:25
iconmefistoDarthFrog: you can enable ctrl-alt-backspace in systemsettings > keyboard layouts (enable it) > advanced tab16:25
DarthFrogiconmefisto: Thanks!  I'll go have a look.16:26
boabstaDarthFrog: yep, right now i'm using a chisel as a screwdriver and putting up with having to hard reset, its like windows 98 all over again - nightmare come true lol16:26
iconmefistoDarthFrog: look for "key sequence to kill the X server" in the advanced tab16:27
DarthFrogiconmefisto: I don't see Keyboard Layouts.16:28
iconmefistoDarthFrog: http://img180.imageshack.us/my.php?image=plasmadesktopf14438.jpg16:29
ahmadhi all, my postgresql8.4 refuse all connection from any application, either pgadmin3 nor any jdbc connections, any suggestions please.16:30
iconmefistoDarthFrog: sorry, it's in regional & language, keyboard layout16:30
DarthFrogiconmefisto: So it is.  Thank you.  What an ... odd location for it.16:31
iconmefistoDarthFrog: agreed16:31
CartoonCathello. Anyone else using the DRI R300 mesa driver and google earth? ever since installing lucid ive had gfx issues with google earth (it worked fine in 9.10)16:32
ubuntu___DarthFrog: i am getting this error" /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?)."16:33
DarthFrogubuntu___: did the "chroot /mnt/disk" and "update-grub" work in your previous session?16:35
ubuntu___DarthFrog: i wrongly mounted the sda2 in "/media/disk" insted of "/mnt/disk" but everthing else correctly. i got the same error that time, so i restarted the live session and tried exactly what you told me. i will paste my konsole texts now16:37
DarthFrog /media/disk  or /mnt/disk makes no difference.  Just make the appropriate substitutions.16:38
ubuntu___DarthFrog: ok. here is my konsole texts --http://paste.ubuntu.com/435024/16:39
DarthFrogOK, this time, after the chroot command, type "grub-install /dev/sda".  What happens then?16:40
ubuntu___DarthFrog: hey thats a good idea16:41
ubuntu___DarthFrog: the command gives a message "Auto-detection of a filesystem module failed.16:43
ubuntu___Please specify the module with the option `--modules' explicitly."16:43
ubuntu___DarthFrog: sda2 is ext416:44
iconmefistoubuntu___: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Recover%20Grub%202%20via%20LiveCD16:45
DarthFrogAha, that's much  more detailed.16:45
DarthFrogiconmefisto: Thanks, that's very usefull.16:46
* DarthFrog thinks Grub2 is a return to the old days of LILO when lilo had to be rerun to process config changes.16:49
ubuntu___iconmefisto: i tried that but i am getting this error "DarthFrog: the command gives a message "Auto-detection of a filesystem module failed.16:50
ubuntu___Please specify the module with the option `--modules' explicitly.""16:50
DarthFrogubuntu___: Did you do the "mount --bind ..." commands shown in the wiki?16:51
ubuntu___no16:51
ubuntu___DarthFrog: no16:51
ubuntu____qui et fr ?16:52
DarthFrogubuntu___: exit out of that chroot session and re-do it, as given in the wiki.  The "mount --bind" should cure your problem.16:52
ubuntu___DarthFrog: ok16:52
ubuntu___DarthFrog:  how to exit chroot session16:52
ubuntu___DarthFrog: do i have to restart the computer16:53
DarthFrogNo.  Just type "exit" in the terminal window that you are chroot'd in, so you exit the chroot.16:53
DarthFrogThe /dev/sda2 mount should still be in effect.  Just issue the "mount --bind" commands given in the wiki, then do the chroot again and carry on.16:54
ubuntu___DarthFrog: ok16:54
DarthFrogBTW, chroot = "change root".16:54
DarthFrogYou are changing the root directory from the Live CD to the one on your hard disk.16:55
ubuntu___DarthFrog:  what does this mean in that procedure "Now you need to edit the /etc/default/grub file to fit your system"17:00
DarthFrogubuntu___: If it was working before, don't bother.17:01
amichairJontheEchidna: as it turns out, there's a simple workaround to the SSID Bug #422174 - I repeated it at the bottom of the report. In case it helps someone...17:01
ubuntu___DarthFrog: ok17:01
ubuntu___DarthFrog: the grub has successfully updated , i will restart the computer and i will be back17:02
DarthFrogGood luck.17:03
ForgeAusargh gnome needs a 7mb package "example-content" hmmm ....17:07
bucketheadSo i've got a kubuntu 10.04 that won't boot after recent updates.. "AC'97 1 access is not valid [0xffffffff], removing mixer" "Unable to initialize codec #1"  Can anybody help?17:13
ForgeAuswon't boot? wow thats harsh17:13
bucketheadIt won't do jack. Ctrl+Alt+Del will shut it down as expected, but no forward motion.17:14
ForgeAusbuckethead, thats beyond my understanding of kubuntu17:14
ForgeAuscan you try recovery mode?17:14
bucketheadNo change. I'm bringing up a Live CD now, but i'm not smart enough to know what to do from there.17:15
ForgeAusI mean all it gives you is busybox, would help if you know what to do in it17:15
ForgeAuswell from liveCD you can reinstall17:15
ForgeAusbut you lose anything that isn't backed up that way17:15
ForgeAus(I think you need alternative cd to upgrade)17:15
DarthFrogForgeAus: Which is an excellent reason to have /home on a separate partition.17:16
ForgeAusDarthFrog: true17:16
ForgeAusI can't deny that one17:16
ForgeAuswell I learnt that chroot doesn't change kernel and doesn't do boot/run levels, not sure if it sets env variables... (doubt it would) ...17:19
bucketheadIs there a way I can apt-get from the livecd into the system and update again?17:20
DarthFrogbuckethead: Yes.17:21
bucketheadI'm not the smartest at all this "*nix" stuff. I'm learning by failing. Thankfully this isn't my main system, so I can afford to nuke if neccesary.17:21
DarthFrogbuckethead: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Recover%20Grub%202%20via%20LiveCD17:22
ForgeAusI don't think tis grub thats the probem17:22
ForgeAus(its an audio error)17:22
ForgeAusthat halts boot process somewhere along the line17:22
DarthFrogbuckethead: Follow that up to and including the chroot statement.17:22
DarthFrogbuckethead: At that point, you can apt-get your heart away.17:23
ForgeAusoh IC17:23
bucketheadAha. I appreciate it.17:24
bucketheadHopefully, someone smarter than me has retweaked whatever is failing me.17:24
bucketheadDarthFrog: For whatever reason, I can't get to the internet from the chroot, but i'm browsing away on the livecd?17:29
basajaunhi need help with grub at command update grub I get /etc/grub.d/00_header: 1: Syntax error: "|" unexpected17:30
ForgeAuswhats the best dockbar for kde? is there one (that doesn't install half of gnome)17:32
DarthFrogbuckethead: What does "netstat -r" tell you?  Put the output in a pastebin.17:32
buckethead/proc/net/route: No such file or directory   INET (IPv4) not configured on this system  <--It *used* to work, haha.17:33
DarthFrogbuckethead: You did the "mount --bind" statements in that wiki article, didn't you?17:34
bucketheadYes.17:34
ForgeAusodd17:34
DarthFrogOK, please do the netstat command in another terminal (i.e. what does the Live CD session tell you).17:34
ForgeAushmm /dev gets bound usually for chroots17:34
basajaunhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/435054/ problem updating grub17:35
bucketheadhttp://pastebin.com/AUD75M1Y  <-- Looks normal on the livecd side.17:37
ForgeAussomething has corrupted/messed with your /dev? hmmm...17:38
DarthFrogAh, you have a wireless connection.17:38
bucketheadUnfortunately.17:39
DarthFrogThat may be complicating matters.17:39
DarthFrogWhat do you get from "ifconfig" in the chroot?17:39
bucketheadOkay, remounted the chroot. netstat -r now acts as expected. ping doesn't work and apt-get update doesn't work.17:40
basajaunhave problem updating grub header 00 1: Syntax error: "|" unexpected http://paste.ubuntu.com/435054/ can someone help?17:40
bucketheadI added it to the pastebin.17:41
DarthFrogbuckethead: Is the gateway output from netstat the same as it is in the LiveCD?17:41
ubuntu___DarthFrog:the grub was successfully installed but my linux installation entry was not listed17:42
DarthFrogubuntu___: So what happened?  What booted?17:42
bucketheadYes.17:43
ubuntu___DarthFrog: in the grub menu list windows 7 was listed nothing else, i had windows 7 , recently removed it, i have windows xp in sda117:44
bucketheadHm. Perhaps there is a way to just disable whatever is locking up the system (sound?) and then get it booting again.17:44
bucketheadSound isn't really a requirement on this machine. Booting, however, is slightly important.17:44
DarthFrog:-)17:44
iconmefistobuckethead: can you disable the sound hardware in bios?17:45
bucketheadOught to be. Trying.17:45
DarthFrogubuntu___: Did you try the "update-grub" command once you were properly chroot'ed?17:46
bucketheadNope. No disabling sound in bios.17:47
ubuntu___DarthFrog: ya it said it founf windows 717:47
ubuntu___found17:47
DarthFrogubuntu___: But not your Kubuntu system?  Weird.17:47
ubuntu___DarthFrog: ya17:47
DarthFrogbuckethead: In the BIOS, is sound set to AC97 or HD Audio?  Whichever one it is, try switching to the other.17:48
ubuntu___i checked the grub.cfg in the sda2 .i think it is ok17:48
ubuntu___DarthFrog: should i paste the grub.cfg17:48
DarthFrogubuntu___: No.17:49
ubuntu___DarthFrog: ok17:49
iconmefistoubuntu___: you have just one disk, sda ?17:49
ubuntu___iconmefisto: ya17:49
bucketheadSys is too old for hd audio.. No options regarding sound in bios.17:49
ubuntu___iconmefisto: i was previously had 217:49
ubuntu___iconmefisto: the second one contained the grub boot sector, the hard disk failed. the first one has the linux installation17:51
iconmefistoubuntu___: see if /boot/grub/device.map has just the /dev/sda entry and no other disks17:51
ubuntu___iconmefisto: ok17:51
DarthFrogbuckethead:  edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg and remove the "quiet splash" options from the kernel line that boots your Kubuntu system.  Then reboot.17:52
DarthFrogThat'll give you all the printk output and you can see just exactly where your system is hanging.17:52
ubuntu___iconmefisto: there is no such file17:52
ForgeAusxarchiver is kewl ark could learn alot from it17:55
ozgurslm17:57
bucketheadSame errors as before.17:59
DarthFrogbuckethead: Sorry, I'm out of ideas.17:59
bucketheadIs there somewhere I can just comment out sound via the chroot?18:02
basajaunQuestion: have problem updating grub header 00 1: Syntax error: "|" unexpected http://paste.ubuntu.com/435054/  can someone help?18:02
iconmefistobuckethead: you can blacklist the sound module in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf, if you know the name of the module18:03
DarthFroghehe, I was just looking at that. :-)18:03
bucketheadac97* ?18:03
DarthFrogbuckethead: Does sound work in the LiveCD?18:04
zusok so i broke down and installed ccsm, that wont over ride my kwin settings untill i decide to use ccsm will it?18:04
DarthFrogIf so, "lsmod | grep snd" will tell you which modules are loaded.18:05
DarthFrogOr just blacklist "snd" & "soundcore"18:05
bucketheadYes, sound functions in the livecd.18:06
ForgeAuswhats ccsm?18:09
macocompizconfig-settings-manager18:09
zusyes18:09
ForgeAusah compiz!18:09
zusi cant find it in settings though18:09
zusnor emerald18:10
ForgeAusformerly known as compiz-fusion18:10
zusForgeAus,  aye18:10
ForgeAusformerly known as compiz and beryl separately ...18:10
ForgeAuskubuntu doesn't need compiz18:11
macozus: emerald is dead18:11
macoemerald has been dead for years, just *finally* got it out of the ubuntu repos18:11
ForgeAusemerald is dead long live dekorator??18:11
ForgeAusor arorae engine?18:12
macocompiz can use kde-window-decorator (whichll use any kwin theme youve got) or gtk-window-decorator (ditto metacity themes)18:12
zusdekorator is default installed?18:12
basajaunQuestion: have problem updating grub header 00 1: Syntax error: "|" unexpected http://paste.ubuntu.com/435054/  can someone help?18:12
ForgeAusnext we'll have animated decorators!18:13
ForgeAuslol18:13
macoberyl had emerald and when compiz-fusion merged, emerald was abandoned in short order, but people kept using it despite the fact there were no plans to fix its crasher bugs18:13
bucketheadJust re-chrooted in and hit an aptitude safe-upgrade.. It's working this time. Lets hope it smashes whatever was broke at the same time.18:13
ForgeAuswhat replaced emerald?18:13
maconothing18:14
macothey never got around to writing a replacement, and they strongly recommend people stick to the 2 decorators that are compatible with other wm's themes18:14
Sonseehi all, is there some widget for quassel (or other irc client) so that I can put it right on my desktop?18:14
ForgeAuswell dekorator and arorae are quite close18:14
Sonseekde4.318:15
macoi thought arorae was a theme engine for kwin themes?18:15
iconmefistoSonsee: you mean instead of a window?18:15
ForgeAussonsee you don't need a widget just an icon (.desktop file)18:15
ForgeAusmaco that and dekorator are18:15
Sonsee<Quassel> yes, like a blog-widget, but irc?18:15
ForgeAusoh uh I don't know18:16
ForgeAusI always thought konversation should have had a kpart!18:16
ForgeAuswoudl be ideal for something like that... plasmersation? :)18:16
zusmaco, is dekorator installed default18:17
macodunno. i dont use kwin18:17
ForgeAuszus no18:17
ForgeAusdekorator can be added but themes? I dunno where to get dekorator themes from18:17
macokde-look.org18:17
Sonsee<iconmefisto> sorry, in my buffer was <Quassel>18:17
ForgeAusyou can apt-get dekorator thats no problem18:17
ForgeAusok thx maco :)18:17
macoor probably a GetHotNewStuff button somewhere around here18:17
ForgeAusPCLinuxOS has a package for them18:18
macoGHNS downloads themes from kde-look for you18:18
macolike when you see the "Get More Wallpapers..." button18:18
ForgeAusI can't find one for dekorator that has gethotnewstuff18:18
ForgeAuslots of kde has that yes18:18
macowell anyway i have to head to class18:18
macobye18:18
Sonsee<iconmefisto> like a blog-widget, but irc, can you advice something?18:18
ForgeAuscya maco18:19
ForgeAushav fun18:19
ForgeAussonsee ask in #KDE perhaps?18:19
ForgeAusor #plasma?18:19
iconmefistoSonsee: none that I know of. maybe search http://kde-apps.org ?18:19
ForgeAusthe only thing I Coudl think of that would work is if you had a web snippet thats a java applet18:19
Sonseeok, thanks18:20
ForgeAusbecasue theres a web snippet plasmoid18:20
zusonce ccsm is installed where is it? i cant find it..18:20
ForgeAusand there are java applets that connect to IRC18:20
ForgeAuswhich would put an IRC on your desktop, not the best of ways tho18:20
ForgeAuszus try settings menu?18:21
ForgeAusor that package kappfinder? (or something like that)18:21
zusforgus im in the settings menu also 10-4 kde4.4.3 if that helps18:22
ForgeAusor try typing ccsm in cli and see what happens?18:22
ForgeAuszus no it deosn't help18:22
ForgeAusit might not be called compiz maybe "Desktop effects" or something like that18:22
ForgeAus(I know it was that in Intrepid)18:22
zusForgeAus,  i would have thought that simple settings would still be the same through most upgrades18:23
ForgeAussome are some aren't18:23
ForgeAusdepends on how things change18:23
ForgeAusthe ubuntu (gnome) installs compiz by default these days..18:24
ForgeAusI don't recall it doing that way back in edgy, and fiesty, etc...18:24
ForgeAusabout the only thing I like about Gnome, is aislrot the cardgames! :)18:25
zusum lol i just ran ccsm  as cli. there seems to be hardly anything to it. before in gnome there was  tons of items18:25
AhmedBHzus:Where's James18:26
* ForgeAus shrugs18:26
zusit just looked different. dekorator  wouldnt overwirte my default kwin will it?, till i need it18:27
ForgeAuslol gstreamer-plugins-good, gstreamer-plugins-bad, gstream-plugins-ugly! rofl18:27
ForgeAusdekorator is a kwin theme it doesn't overwrite anything but you can change to (or from) it18:28
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zusnot sure where james is today18:28
ForgeAusyou need to go to your system-settings to change it to begin with18:28
ForgeAus(but I don't think the ubuntu package has any themes there, just the bare shell of dekorator so if you use it you'll nly get "themeless" windows (ie as if they don't have a decorator)18:29
ForgeAusthe kde-style (you widgets won't change any you just loose the close button/minimize/titlebar/etc...parts until you install some themes for dekorator)18:29
ForgeAusor chose another decorator type18:30
ForgeAusso zus what I mean is to say that I recommend getting themes for it before you try changing to dekorator18:31
ForgeAusnot sure if theres an ubuntu package for them)18:32
ForgeAus!dekorator18:32
phoenix__DarthFrog: hello, i have successfully installed the grub and i have logged into my linux installation, thanks to you18:32
ForgeAuskwin-style-dekorator is the package name for dekorator itself (but I don't think that comes with any themes)18:33
ForgeAus!kwin-style-dekorator18:33
phoenix__iconmefisto: i have successfully installed the grub and i have logged into my linux installation, thank you, i have learned something from you people18:33
ForgeAus!info kwin-style-dekorator18:33
ubottukwin-style-dekorator (source: kwin-style-dekorator): Windows decoration engine for KDE 4 using user-supplied PNG files. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.0.2-2ubuntu1 (lucid), package size 181 kB, installed size 448 kB18:33
ForgeAusahh user-supplied png files18:34
iconmefistophoenix__: what fixed it? I'm assuming you were ubuntu___18:34
phoenix__iconmefisto: ya its me18:35
phoenix__iconmefisto: i replace the grub.cfg with the old grub.cfg file18:35
swapyhmm18:36
swapyfine18:36
phoenix__iconmefisto: i am wondering why update-grub was not able to find the linux installation18:36
ForgeAusyikes gnome even has a gnome-disk-utility package (if thats a disk paritioner? how OSX of it!)18:38
zusis there a tutorial or how-to on making dekorator skins?18:39
ForgeAuszus google is our friend18:47
ForgeAusalso kde-look.org might have themes18:47
zusForgeAus,  i got sent to kde-look-org.  but im trying to look for how to make themes,18:48
ForgeAusanther option could be to go to http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/idpl/12909475/com/kde4-dekorator-themes-1.0-2pclos2010.i586.rpm.html and extract them from the rpm there (ouch but its possible note: you can't install that package in ubuntu I don't think)18:49
ForgeAusI'm also not enirely sure of where they actually belong in the directory tree either18:50
ForgeAus(Another option would be to use the alien tool on it normally I wouldn't suggest it but that package is just a bunch of pictures, so theres no compiling or binaries to mess up your system I don't think)18:52
ForgeAusas to if dekorator is in the same place in PCLinuxOS as it is in ubuntu I don't know either18:53
ForgeAusto actually make the themes you can use something like inkscape you don't need an actual tool other than a drawing program18:56
ForgeAusyou probably do need to name them correctly tho for each segment18:56
ForgeAusI would recommend using a pre-made theme as a template18:57
zusi will look in to it18:57
zusi was gonna say that18:57
zus brb...18:57
zusim back19:03
zuswhat is pclinuxos based on? or is it its own distro?19:03
swapyhello guys19:04
LantiziaHas anyone else noticed when you view the connection info (by right clicking say Auth eth0) on KNetworkManager... the Nameservers are written BACKWARDS? :D19:08
ForgeAusPClinuxOS was based on Mandriva19:11
ForgeAususes apt-get but for rpm's not .debs19:12
ForgeAus(ie apt-rpm)19:12
ForgeAusits pretty divergent from Mandriva tho19:12
ForgeAusnot abad distro imho for a .rpm base19:12
zusi've got the iso for pclinux os... just need a disc to install on my gimpy pc (only 512mb)19:13
zus(ram)19:14
jimmy51_in KDE, when i click on a task in the task tray, it maximizes it.  how come clicking it again doesn't minimize it?19:14
ForgeAushehe you could always use virtualbox or qemu19:14
Picizus: This is not a pclinuxos support channel.19:14
Lantiziano it's a lack of kubuntu support channel.19:14
Ahoxphoenix__,  can you past the url you used for that19:15
phoenix__Ahox: http://imagebin.antiyes.com/index645.html19:16
Ahoxjimmy51_,  what task manager do you use?19:16
ForgeAusLantizia: I don't really use KnetworkManager much but I did find something was written backwards somewhere else... forgot where but when I went back there it was normal19:16
Ahoxphoenix__,  no I meant the precise google url you used19:16
swapykubuntu dosent have software center toooooooo sad to know19:16
AhoxI am just way to lazy to type it manually19:16
ForgeAusI figured it was just one of those things19:16
jimmy51_Ahox: i just mean the system task bar.19:16
swapyAhox: system monitor is task manager in kubuntu\19:17
PiciLantizia: Do you mean the PTR records? They are supposed to be written that way.19:17
LantiziaForgeAus, and on 10.04 is crashes allllll the time (got it crashing on more than one machine of different specs for the same reason)19:17
ForgeAusswapy Maverick will either have a better kpackagekit or something to replace it19:17
LantiziaPici, no not PTR19:17
phoenix__Ahox: http://www.google.com19:17
ForgeAusLantizia: thats odd, its quite stable here19:17
swapydid 9.10 had kpackage kit or software center19:17
LantiziaKNetManager I mean19:17
Ahoxjimmy51_,  there are several ones, (Task Manager, Smooth Task, etc) so I assume you use the default one?19:17
ForgeAusbut I"m using Wubi to run it thru19:17
ForgeAus(not sure if that makes any difference)19:17
Lantiziait's only when you change something however19:17
Ahoxphoenix__,  the url in the screenshot is a bit longer than that19:18
jimmy51_Ahox: whatever is the default Task Manager in KDE 4.  When i right click on it I get a "Task Manager Settings" option19:18
phoenix__Ahox: i went into the google homepage and just searched "hello"19:18
ForgeAusisn't smoothtask the default one? (I tend to replace the menu with lancelot where possible)19:18
Ahoxphoenix__,  yes, and can you please past the link you got then. Just copy it from the address bar19:19
phoenix__Ahox: the snapshot shows the search results for "hello"19:19
Ahoxphoenix__,  it shows it for your system settings (language, etc)19:19
ForgeAusok jimmy its not smoothtask then19:19
phoenix__Ahox: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=hello&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=19:19
Ahoxthanks, thought it looks fine here. Which kde/rekonq version do you use?19:20
phoenix__Ahox: i am getting this error in konqueror and rekonq19:20
Ahoxso you use the webkit plugin for konqui?19:20
phoenix__Ahox: rekonq Version 0.4.6819:21
phoenix__Ahox: i dont know about the plugin19:21
Ahoxphoenix__,  is this compiled from head?19:22
AhoxBecause I use the one coming with kubuntu (0.4.0) and it works fine19:22
jimmy51_so.... is that expected behavior for clicking to maximize to work, but clicking again doesn't minimize?19:22
phoenix__Ahox: it is the default one that is installed19:22
phoenix__Ahox:  i installed qt creator. does that affect19:23
Ahoxphoenix__,  I don't know about that, sorry. But kubuntu comes with the 0.4.019:23
Ahox(and this includes the kubuntu-ppa already)19:24
phoenix__Ahox: i will check that out19:25
Klanticusis there an specific channel for questions about the netbook remix?19:47
PiciKlanticus: Nope.19:48
Klanticusok.. so I'll ask here. Shouldn't the menu bar in the netbook remix be always over the application windows?19:49
MonikaAre Arora and rekonq siblings?19:53
olskolirccan someone find out for me who this is please? 66.90.121.319:54
Piciolskolirc: ns4.fdcservers.net19:54
olskolirchow did you do that Pica?19:55
Piciolskolirc: dig -x 66.90.121.319:56
olskolircahhhh19:56
olskolircyeah nslookup is out19:56
olskolircdig is in19:57
Picidig is the new nslookup :)19:57
ForgeAusMonika if your still around rekonq is Arora-based afaik20:07
ForgeAusso they're related, yes...20:07
ForgeAusbut siblings probably not20:07
Monikaam still around20:07
Monikathank you20:07
Monikawell, somehow closely related20:07
Snarksteri need some helping selecting several thousand files from several hundred directories. what is the best way to do this?20:08
MonikaI've a forum and the layout is wrong in one way in both (and in another way in most of the other browsers except Chromium and IE)20:08
ForgeAuslol20:08
ForgeAusnot sure what rendering engine chromium uses but your "most other browsers" might be becaus e they're gecko based?20:09
Monikanot really20:16
MonikaFirefox, Opera, Konqueror20:16
Monikathree different engines I think20:16
Monikaand I thought Konqueror, Arora and rekonq have the same, but not sure20:16
Monikaand the strange thing is in Firefox on Windows it looks good, same release20:17
ForgeAusKonqueror uses webkit I think... not sure what arora and rekonq use possibly webkit as well (but better codebase)20:20
ForgeAusI don't know Opera's engine either...20:21
MonikaI think "Opera engine" ;)20:21
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ForgeAusI know IE's used to be something like Trident20:22
ForgeAus(not sure if it still is or not)20:22
ForgeAusSafari's is called nitro or someting now (I think its related to webkit too )20:23
MonikaWP says, Opera's engine is called "Presto"20:23
ForgeAusahh yesthats it :)20:23
ForgeAusI remember I saw that now20:24
Monikaah, the good old times, when Opera was not free of charge and had ads ... ;)20:24
MonikaWP says, IE on Windows uses Trident, IE on Mac uses Tasman.20:25
ForgeAusie on mac! did theymake a new one or something? if not thats far to old to be in consideration20:25
ForgeAuslike pre 10.3.x old20:26
ForgeAusback in the days where netscape lived...20:26
Monikahm, it says 5.2.3 was the last IE version for Mac20:27
ForgeAusyup that'd be about it20:27
Monikaso about a million years ago in internet years20:27
ForgeAuswinXP is IE620:27
ForgeAusexactly20:27
ForgeAuslightyeas ago20:27
ForgeAusinteresting they have a diff name for their Mac engine to their windows one tho20:28
ForgeAusMicrosoft are shareholders in Apple btw... so maybe they think its in their best interest to make mac software?20:29
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ForgeAusalthough IE has been sorely lacking if thats in any way true20:29
ForgeAus(which is strange because if they are going to i would have thought with mac currently working on predominantly Intel hardware, it would be microsofts playground to toy with flooding Apple with software..20:30
Monikabut lightyears are distances not times20:31
ForgeAusinstead theres mostly just MS office, messenger and one or two other apps...20:31
ForgeAusMonika how observant of you, caught me out... wait now is the time I should be saying "just checking you were on the ball" right?20:31
Monikaand were you? ^^20:32
* ForgeAus smiles widely20:32
Monikalast October I wanted to see how far Firefox usage has overtaken IE usage ... analyzed the access_logs to my site ... 50% Firefox, 25% IE, even better than I thought it would be20:33
* ForgeAus recalls the joke about a one-armed fisherman demonstrating how long the fish he caught was... (by holding out his arm horizontally and not having another end to measure it by!)20:33
Monikahm?20:34
ckpuMmaybe everything will change when IE9 comes out20:34
ForgeAusie9 will use directx to assist with its rendering20:35
ForgeAusits about time they cottonned on to doing that20:35
Monikaonly 1.1% Linux users though :'( I had hoped for like 3%20:35
ForgeAusthats if you can believe those stats20:36
Monikawell, just my website20:36
ForgeAusbased on what user-agents?20:37
ForgeAusI can use IE in wine (ie running linux) ...20:37
MonikaI did this, too, today, to check what the forum looks like20:38
Monikabut nobody would do that for surfing20:38
ForgeAuslol the second ie there was i.e. as in id est not Internet explorer)20:38
ForgeAusI've surfed that way before20:38
ForgeAusback when I was new to linux I felt more comfy in that dingy little app... that looked terrible in linux! lol20:38
MonikaI use this program http://de.pastebin.ca/1736857 for analyzing20:39
Monikabut it's so slow, I needed like 10 minutes to get the forum to open20:39
ForgeAuskde4win doesn't seem to have made much of an impact on windows20:41
BluesKajI tried installing lucid but gdm but can' get past plymouth , I 've heard there are probs with nvidia 6150 onboard 64 bit drivers , is that so ?20:41
ForgeAuswhats plymouth?20:42
BluesKajit's just page that comes up while OS etc loads20:42
ForgeAusBluesKaj: hehe normally your helping me uh as for drivers, being 64-bit could be the issue....20:42
ForgeAusoh you mean that formerly progress-bar screen?20:43
BluesKajit's  2 yr old pc that I inherited , maybe <i should just install the x86 version20:43
ForgeAuswell I can't guarantee that will work either but it seems more... suitable20:44
ForgeAusnote I said *could* be the issue...20:44
BluesKajForgeAus, well, it used to vista 32 bit , but the processer is 64 bit20:45
BluesKajhave20:45
ForgeAushehe I'm using wubi with a notebook like that20:45
ForgeAusonly 32-bit kubuntu20:46
BluesKajI have lucid on this laptop , and it works great20:46
ForgeAusprocessor is 64-bit (aren't all core2duo's 64-bit?)20:46
Monikathere no problems with 64 bit Kubuntu anymore20:46
ForgeAussame here, quite stable sofar20:46
Monikafor like 2 years already20:46
ForgeAuscept for 2 occasions where it didn't boot but resetting fixed that20:47
Monikabefore that: no Flash, no Opera and stuff20:47
ForgeAusflash 64 bit was a big pain20:47
ForgeAustook SOO long overall for them to release it20:47
ForgeAusnot just for linux either20:47
Monika64 bit Windows has driver problems20:48
Monikaif they don't recompile them, there aren't any ^^20:48
Monikaall in all Linux was a bit a head with 64 bit20:48
ForgeAusgood to know20:48
ForgeAuslinux is pretty solid one way or another20:48
Monikabut the advance in 64 bit should have brought us world leadership: http://catb.org/~esr/writings/world-domination/world-domination-201.html20:50
Monikadidn't work out :'(20:50
ForgeAusyou should know better than to put all your trust in theory20:50
ForgeAuslook at more's law!20:50
ForgeAushow silly!20:51
Monikathat capacity doubles in 1.5 years?20:51
Monikaisn't it still true?20:51
ForgeAussomething like that20:51
harjothow do i have like virtual desktops20:51
harjotIve got the thing20:51
harjotthe normal way20:52
ForgeAuswell if it is, not because of any universal law, its because hardware manufacturers are taking that as their target!20:52
harjotbut i want the windows to disappear unless the virtual desktop is there20:52
ForgeAusharjot I don't understand20:52
harjoti want everything to disappear unless the virtual desktop is open20:53
harjotlike a mac20:53
MonikaForgeAus do you know the article?20:53
ForgeAusno20:53
Monikahe shows how everything changed from 8 to 16 and from 16 to 32 bits20:53
Monikait sounds all very logical20:53
ForgeAusbut?20:54
Monikanothing but20:54
Monikawe did not succeed20:54
harjotis there a way to make virtual desktops work more like a mac20:54
Monikahow do they work on Mac?20:55
ForgeAusharjot spaces?20:55
harjoteverytihng goes away including stuff on the taskbar20:55
ForgeAusjust add desktops and switch to the desktop20:55
harjotyeah but the stuff on the taskbar doesnt go20:55
ForgeAusyou can configure if taskbar shows them or not20:55
harjotreally?20:55
ForgeAusrightlcikc the taskbar and select the option20:56
harjotlet me check20:56
ForgeAusyes really20:56
ForgeAus(should be able to anyway)20:56
ForgeAusif not try smoothtask isntead of the normal task manager20:56
ForgeAus(kinda like a deluxe vers anyway)20:57
harjotForgeAus: i cant hide them'20:57
ForgeAushmmm....20:57
ForgeAusunfortunately I'm stuck in LXDE right now20:57
ForgeAusbrb...20:57
Monikayou just want to autohide it?20:58
Monikaclick on the nut symbol at the side20:58
Monikathen on further settings20:58
Monikathen switch to hiding automatically20:58
DyrconaI think he wants the applications to disappear from the panel when he changes virtual desktops.20:59
harjotim trying to make them hide if their not on the current desktop20:59
harjotyeah20:59
ForgeAusDrycona theres definitely that option somewhere20:59
ForgeAusI remember seeing it20:59
ForgeAusif the normal taskbar doesn't have it, then smoothtask does or its an option somewhere else21:00
ForgeAusyes ok harjot, click the "cashew" at the end of the taskbar21:00
harjotim not on kde421:01
harjotim on kde321:01
ForgeAusremove your task manager plasmoid (the part of the taskbar that actually shows running apps, it should show a 4-pointed arrow over it)21:01
ForgeAusoh...21:01
harjotim on kde321:01
ForgeAusuh, not sure how to do it in KDE321:01
CartoonCatWhat is the best way to rever the graphics driver (DRI R300) back a revision or two, or even back to what is used in 9.10?21:01
harjotIts not built in it seems21:01
ForgeAusI guess not21:01
ForgeAusnever really noticed that21:01
MonikaKDE 3 o.o21:02
Monikabut there it was possible, too21:03
Monikayou could even have buttons on the right and left to hide manually21:03
ForgeAuspossbily but I have no idea where21:03
Monikabut auto-hide was possible, too21:03
Monikaoh sorry, didn't read everything21:03
ForgeAusno Monika not autohide21:03
Monikaon KDE 3, right-click on the taskbar21:03
Monikathere is a checkmark for this21:03
ForgeAusthat just makes the whole bar vanish21:03
Monikafor either showing all apps21:03
Monikaor only from current desktop21:03
ForgeAushe wasn't only the running tasks from other desktops to be hidden21:03
harjotwhere?21:03
Monikawait a sec, I look in my old slides21:04
MonikaI used to mention this in my talks21:04
ForgeAuskewl ...21:04
Monikabecause I found the default setting so annoying21:04
ForgeAussmoothtask in kde4 has that very option , I wouldnt' be suprised if KDE3 has it I just didn't know where21:04
Monikait was right there21:05
ForgeAusharjot what version of kubuntu do you have?21:05
* Dyrcona would like to replace panel with something more like the Mac OS X dock, but that's for another day.21:05
harjotkubuntu 8.0421:05
ForgeAusthats like hardy or something?21:05
harjothardy21:05
ForgeAusDyrcona, its ok for Gnome to use docky but very few kde alternatives21:06
harjotso any idea for doing what i said21:06
ForgeAuswithout installing lot of gnome bits21:06
Monikaharjot: right-click -> "adjust control bar" -> "adjust window bar" -> remove the [x] for "show windows of all desktops"21:06
Monikamight not be the exact text, I am translating this from German to English21:07
ForgeAus(more bits of gnome than the dockbar app itself takes anyway)21:07
harjottight click wherE?21:07
Monikaon the task bar21:07
Monikain a free area21:07
ForgeAusMonika its probably panel or taskmanager isntead of control bar... and window bar21:08
Monikawhen you have too many windows open it is hard21:08
ForgeAusuh if your showing the grippies you can click on the uparrow at the start of the taskbar to do the same as rightclicking it I think21:08
ForgeAus(in KDE3)21:08
harjoti cant find adjust control bar21:09
Monikamight be panel21:09
ForgeAusit won't be called that, but what does show up in that list?21:09
ForgeAus(this is going to go to kcontrol I Can see that happening21:09
ForgeAus)21:09
HazamonzoFolks. Why would my xorg eat 25% of my CPU from time to time for no reason at all?21:10
HazamonzoIt happens every couple of hours and lasts about 5 minutes. Very annoying21:10
HazamonzoIs there some kind of process thats happening on kubunut 10.04?21:10
ForgeAuswell Hazamonzo I'm certain it has a reason....21:13
ForgeAusI just don't know what that reason is!21:14
ForgeAus(nepomuk or akondai doing some background indexing or something perhaps?)21:14
* ForgeAus shrugs I can only speculate...21:15
HazamonzoForgeAus: Well the thing is i check the processes and its just xorg21:17
Hazamonzoconsuming the 25% that is21:18
Hazamonzonepomuk i sstopped from running a little while back21:18
ForgeAusso what happens if you say use fluxbox instead does xorg still do that?21:18
HazamonzoI think it has something to do with the fact my ATI drivers blow chunks21:18
ForgeAusyeah possibly21:18
HazamonzoForgeAus: Im afraid im not familiar with Fluxbox21:19
ForgeAusits an alternative window manager21:19
Hazamonzooh, interesting21:19
ForgeAusvery lightweight, but you don't get the functionality out of it you do KDE of course21:19
Hazamonzoi guess it choose it when i log in right?21:19
ForgeAusyeah the down arrow in the login screen for lucid21:19
ForgeAusthers usually some kdm control that gives you a menu in earlier verstions21:20
Hazamonzoyeah i think ive installed other... window managers in the past21:20
Hazamonzoa very basic looking one21:20
HazamonzoCan't remember the name though21:20
ForgeAusthey're generally a matter of preference, imho KDE (which kubuntu is based on) is the best...21:21
ForgeAusbut for diagnostic purposes something life fluxbox might be useful with your particular question21:21
ForgeAus(I don't expect you to stay there btw)21:21
HazamonzoForgeAus: Sure i agree. Just with my ATI driver didn't suck :(21:21
HazamonzoSure21:21
ForgeAuswell I Can't help you with your hardware choices there21:21
HazamonzoYeah i used to run a Nvidia card. I was a silly bugger to go AIT this time21:22
Hazamonzo*ATI21:22
ForgeAusnote if you wanted to use fluxbox (openbox, blackbox, LXDE or IceWM or something light, you need to apt-get it or use kpackagekit)21:22
ForgeAusNvidia is also proprietary drivers for Linux21:22
HazamonzoForgeAus: Sure that isn't a problem.21:22
ForgeAusnot much different21:22
HazamonzoForgeAus: Yeah they just seem to work ALOT better21:23
HazamonzoIve tried the radeon and FGLRX driver with no luck (good performance and composition)21:23
HazamonzoBut i don't think it makes a whole lot of different at the moment. I can see my screen so i can work. All i can ask for i guess :)21:24
HazamonzoJust when this xorg starts eating my CPU for no apparent reason its a little annoying...21:25
Hazamonzo</rant>21:25
avihay_farmxorg or ntop?21:26
Hazamonzoavihay_farm: Well looking at the system activity moniter it looks like xorg21:26
TweyBut that's tricky, because lots of things can cause X.org to lots of resources when it's they that are the real problem21:28
ForgeAusgnome's software centre is also based of packagekit right?21:28
HazamonzoTwey: I see...21:28
HazamonzoTwey: Any way i can narrow it down?21:29
TweyNot that I know o21:30
TweyNot that I know of, other than killing things and waiting for it to stop21:30
Hazamonzough... i don't mind when little things don't work with ubuntu but this is getting increasingly difficult to use at all21:30
HazamonzoTwey: Heheh, dangerous21:30
TweyWell, it's usually something fairly obvious, like your browser or DE21:31
julio-PEmy splash screen is freeze at the third icon... i can't login into KDE :( i'm here because Fluxbox... what i do that causes this problem? the only thing i remember was yesterday when i install and purge paman=PulseAudio Manager, someone can help?21:35
LuisJaHello people can you help me make my sda3 partition than contains my home the sda1 home21:43
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razed1guys, in order to log in to my work box (Windows 7), i have to specify a TS Gateway Server in the Windows RDP client... can anyone help me set up KRDC to do this so i don't have to use Windows at home?21:46
LuisJaHello people can you help me make my sda3 partition than contains my home the sda1 home21:48
LuisJaHello people can you help me make my sda3 partition than contains my home the sda1 home, i just make a fresh install and i dont remember the steps21:48
Monikarepeating isn't all that helpful21:50
Monikabut fixing the spelling errors so that it makes more sense might help21:51
MonikaI can guess than is that21:51
Monikabut I still don't understand the question fully21:51
Monikahow are your partitions now and what do you want to achieve?21:51
dErzOnkis there a programm to minimize any programm into "info-area/Benachrichtigungsbereich" at taskbar - like in Windows?21:51
razed1i'm reading very recent posts on linux-questions.org that seem to indicate that linux has no TS Gateway support... that's disappointing...21:51
GeckoHey, KDE seems to forget my dual monitor setup every time I reboot. Is there any way to fix this?21:59
Monikaare you running KRandRTray?22:03
Monikaleaving it running should store the setting22:03
Monikabut since the Upgrade to Kubuntu 4.4 it's not working anymore for me -.-22:03
Monikaforgets now every time anyway22:03
Monika10.04 I mean22:04
MonikaI know have a script on my desktop with this line "xrandr --output DVI-0 --auto && xrandr --output DVI-0 --left-of VGA-0" (don't copy, you need to adjust it for your monitors!)22:04
Monikas/know/now22:04
Monikaand click on it after reboot or restart of X server22:04
gosevoHI all22:06
ForgeAusMonika 2k3 was when IE (on Tasman) for Macintosh was discontinued22:08
ForgeAusbut interestingly the Tasman engine continued on22:08
Monikawhat is it used for?22:08
ForgeAusit just wasn't in microsoft software I take it22:08
ForgeAuswill get back to you once I know22:08
gosevoproblems Opengl with Nvidia 9600 GT KUBUNTU 10.0422:08
ForgeAusoh wait I lied, didn't expect this one22:09
ForgeAusMSN for MacOSX and OFfice 2k4 also use tasman engine22:09
ForgeAus(both microsoft products)22:09
Monikagotta go to bed22:19
Monikagn822:19
Rondohi I'm new to kubuntu and have some dummy questions, such as: hotkey to invoke system monitor? or way to establish keyboard shortcuts?22:20
MonikaCtrl+Esc22:20
RondoMonica: sweet thanks22:20
MonikaK -> System Settings, there are also keyboard short cuts, you will see it22:20
Monikaor right click on an icon or anything22:21
Monikayou can always set something22:21
Monikabut now I gotta go22:21
RondoMonika: well that answers that thanks a lot22:21
dErzOnkWhen i use Firefox and write there  theres a spelling check in english where can i change it to german (and english) - or switch it off?22:35
harjothow do i hide everything on one virtual desktop, including the desktop itself22:41
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Rondohi can anybody tell me how to disable (permanently) screensaver?23:10
MamarokRondo: System Settings -> Desktop -> Screen Saver23:12
RondoMamarok: yes i did that but it won't seem to stick. I'd like to uninstall screensaver23:13
RondoI don't need it at all, my monitor has its own23:13
MamarokRondo: then remove the *screensaver packages23:17
Mamarokbut you might check the Power Management first, in the advanced settings of the system Settings23:17
Mamarokmight be that it triggers the screensaver23:17
RondoMamarok: thanks i'll try that. I'm still learning the many uses of the *23:18
MamarokI did set one that doesn't kick in23:18
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dErzOnkis there a programm to minimize any programm into "info-area/Benachrichtigungsbereich" at taskbar - like in Windows?23:22
RondoMamarok: yes I dsabled power management from startup so it's not that. I greatly appreciate the ability to simply remove things that you don't like23:23
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Rondolighter, faster, better!23:23
Luija1006Hello people please I need help: Kate is having error opening .js greasemonkey scripts: when I click edit with greasemonkey this error windows appears http://i39.tinypic.com/24msuna.png , but in 9.10 kate opened the greasemonkey scripts perfectly, whats going on?23:24
oxymoronHello guys I am on my girls computer and need help with graphics on a SiS 671MX where I cannot change resolution higher than 800x600 and plymouth shows flimmer and ant wars on bootup, the desktop effects doesnt work turning on23:25
oxymoronHello guys I am on my girls computer and need help with graphics on a SiS 671MX where I cannot change resolution higher than 800x600 and plymouth shows flimmer and ant wars on bootup, the desktop effects doesnt work turning on23:29
Rondooxymoron: a)is that an ATI or nVidia card? b)desktop effects don't do anything useful, you're better off without them IMO23:29
oxymoronRondo: a) None of them ... its Silicon Integrated chipset on a laptop 671MX b) Maybe so, but still23:31
Rondooxymoron: menu -> system -> hardware drivers. nice applet to diagnose what is the best driver for your hardware and fetch it for you23:32
Luija1006Hello people please I need help: Kate is having error opening .js greasemonkey scripts: when I click edit with greasemonkey this error windows appears http://i39.tinypic.com/24msuna.png , but in 9.10 kate opened the greasemonkey scripts perfectly, whats going on?23:33
oxymoronRondo: Yeah I know, but Jockey doesnt find anything for SiS ... only proprietary drivers for nvidia and ATI *sigh* ...23:33
Rondooxymoron: I'm guessing you're dealing with a laptop, huh?23:33
xokhello...23:34
xokI am having problems installing kubuntu over NFS..23:34
dErzOnkoxymoron: u read this? http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=928082723:34
xokdoes anyone know why I get message:23:34
xok"Please provide a name for this Disc, such as 'Debian 5.0.3 Disk 1' : " when I try to install kubuntu over NFS?..23:34
oxymoronRondo: Yes and its really annoying to not being able to fix my girls computer bcause Winblows didnt wokr properly and now Linux23:35
xokand it stucks right there...23:35
xokdoesn't do anything, I'm not even able to type anything...23:35
Rondooxymoron: if an onboard laptop video chip is what you're working with I can guarantee desktop effects will not help performance23:35
oxymorondErzOnk: Yeah probably and last time using ubuntuforums raphics crashed23:35
oxymoron*graphics23:35
xokALT+ENTER shows the kubuntu logo loading, but it doesn't really load...23:35
xokanyone please?..23:36
dErzOnkoxymoron: sorry i ain't have a clue - i'm just fucking new into linux :(23:36
Rondooxymoron: sorry I don't know SiS chip issues. you could google forums for "Dell 12345" for example to find particulars of that machine23:36
oxymoronRondo: Neither do I, hats why I ask here ...23:37
Rondooxymoron: but you can find make and model of that laptop, right?23:38
dErzOnkhow do you guys always put the name to who you answer in? Or do you type it or copy/past ?23:38
xokdErzOnk, first letter then ALT..23:38
xoksorry..23:38
xokTAB.. :-D23:38
MamarokLuija1006: try opening it with another editor like nano?23:38
dErzOnkxok, thanks!23:39
xokdErzOnk, TAB...23:39
dErzOnk;)23:39
xokdErzOnk, yw.. ;-)23:39
Mamarokoxymoron: SiS graphic cards have very poor Linux support, don't get too many hopes on these23:39
xokhas anyone tried kubuntu installation over NFS?...23:39
xokI'm stuck here.. ;-(23:39
Rondooxymoron: try this: click on the orange yin-yang in the corner, click add widget, scroll right and get the System Monitor that looks like a green pci board with a blue "i"23:39
oxymoronMamarok: Oh crap, I just want higher resolution than 800x600 for my girl23:40
Mamarokxok: very bad idea, you should use ext423:40
Rondooxymoron: that widget lays out all the particulars of you hardware. can make your googling easier23:40
xokMamarok, thanks for response, but are you sure you know what problem I have?..23:40
oxymoronMamarok: Then I thought suprgeeks on Linux always fix OLD things and integrate things....23:40
Mamarokoxymoron: try goolging if you can find sloething, but I have very little hopes, I even never managed to isntall a Linux distribution on an older laptop of mine because of such a card23:40
dErzOnkAnyone familiar with KTorrent? i have stuck torrent and wtf - it say 1,2 of 1,2 GB but 96,5% - is there a info about reamaining MB?23:40
Mamarokoxymoron: if they have no documented drivers and nobody reverse engeneered one, change is close to 023:41
macooxymoron: thing about graphics drivers is that some of the more generic ones will only do whatever resolutions the card has programmed into its firmware. when you get higher res on windows its because those drivers are overriding it23:41
Mamarokcahnce*23:41
oxymoronMamarok: All things works except resolution23:41
Mamarokchance23:41
Rondoit is good to fix old things, but if source is not open, reverse engineering is involved. nVidia cards are best for linux because nVidia is cooperative23:41
oxymoronMamarok: Wel and then plymouth which make m girl think its wrong on hrer computer but the deal is crappy Sis graphics support in linux. Last time I crashed the system when installing drivers manually and it didt even bot23:42
Mamarokoxymoron: I'm sorry, I can't really help with that, you could try explaining what a close source driver ist23:43
Mamarokclosed*23:43
oxymoronmaco: How to override it then? In windows its able to use 1280x102423:43
* maco highly recommends Intel graphics (except Poulsbo, though even they work decently despite intel ceasing development on their drivers)23:43
macooxymoron: fix the driver?23:43
Luija1006Mamarok: luis@Acer:~/.mozilla/firefox/viyfxqf2.default/gm_scripts/lockerz_unplayd$ kate lockerz_unplayd.user.js23:43
Luija1006Mamarok: pretty pretty rare23:43
Luija1006Mamarok: it opens the .js without any problem23:43
Luija1006but the greasemonkey kate doesnt... Mamarok23:43
Rondoyeah Intel video chips are good too in my experience23:43
macooxymoron: SiS makes drivers capable of overriding the built-in modes for windows only. so if you want that on linux, youd need to fix the driver23:44
oxymoronRondo: nVidia isnt good on Linux, but best working though ... which is quite funny :D23:44
oxymoronmaco: Fix the driver?23:44
MamarokLuija1006: I don't understand your first two lines at all23:44
macooxymoron: yes. as in download the sis driver for Xorg, and brush up your C programming skills, and well...have at23:44
oxymoronmaco: Well it musT be any drivers out of the box out there on the net somewhere? :S23:45
Mamarokbut since you can open it with nano, you can edit it with that, and please file a bug against kate23:45
Rondooxymoron: maybe proprietary but workable.23:45
xokany kubuntu GURUs here?.. :-D23:45
Mamarokxok: several23:45
xokI'm stuck in loading kubuntu from NFS..23:45
macooxymoron: if nobody's written the code yet theres not much to do. however, have you tried usint cvt to generate a new modeline and xrandr to set it? possibly X just isnt detecting the available resolution for the monitor? that happens sometimes...23:45
Mamarokxok: did you read what I said above?23:45
oxymoronmaco: I tested googleing and found some kind of support for xorg but not working proerly23:45
Mamarokthat is not matter of finding a GURU, it is a very bad idea23:45
Rondooxymoron: what is the make and model of the lappy?23:46
xokMamarok, yes, I did, but you've said nothing interesting to me, sorry.. ;-(23:46
macooxymoron: obviously there's some support if you see anything at all, even 800x60023:46
Mamarokxok: I am sorry if you are not interested in learning that ntfs is not a decent filesystem to install Linux on it23:46
macooxymoron: im saying that sometimes X doesnt detect all available resolutions in which case you can inform it of more resolutions using "cvt" and "xrandr"23:46
macooxymoron: and it /might/ work23:46
xokMamarok, wrong answer.. ;-)23:46
oxymoronmaco: Uhm I am not a supergeek you know xD I am asking for hep here nto how to progrmming my own driver XD23:46
macooxymoron: if it doesnt though, you need to find someone who can fix the driver23:46
Mamarokxok: not at all23:47
macooxymoron: cvt & xrandr arent programming23:47
xokMamarok, I've never said I want to install it on NTFS, I said I want to install it OVER NFS...23:47
oxymoronRondo: Uhm Advent something23:47
macooxymoron: xrandr is for configuring X23:47
xokwhich mean installing the kubuntu system over Network FileSystem.. :-)23:47
macooxymoron: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution23:47
Mamarokxok: good advice: don't, mae a boot partition in ext3 or ext4, you can still use NTFS for /home23:47
xokmeans*23:47
macoMamarok: not NTFS23:47
macoMamarok: NFS23:47
xokMamarok, you're on the wrong side man.. :-D23:48
macoxok: woman23:48
xokoh, sorry...23:48
xok:-)23:48
Mamarokxok: yeah, misread that one, sorry23:48
Rondooxymoron: look underneath and maybe in the battery case to find make and model for certain. likely someone else has already dealt with same issues23:48
xokmy appologies...23:48
xok:-)23:48
Mamarokxok: no worries23:48
xokMamarok, not a problem... ;-)23:48
macoRondo: the graphics card model is a bit more useful than the computer model usually23:48
xokMamarok, so, anything about NFS?..23:48
Mamarokxok: check that maybe? -> http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/23:49
oxymoronmaco: http://pastebin.com/dP5UB0ge23:49
Rondomaco: I know what you mean, but often laptop owners do not know the model of their onboard chip and go to forums for the laptop itself. I have found answers for my inspiron 2650 this way23:49
xokMamarok, my NFS works perfectly...23:49
macooxymoron: read the link i posted... it tells you how to add more to that list23:49
xokit's kubuntu that has problems, not NFS actually.. :-P23:50
macoxok: are you using network manager?23:50
oxymoronmaco: Thanks :) WIl look into it23:50
xokwhat for or where?...23:50
macoxok: because nm doesnt connect til after you login so if youre trying to load /home over NFS youre gonna have a problem23:50
macoxok: be sure to use /etc/network/interfaces instead if you want your interfaces configured before login23:51
xokmaco, I'm going to load the whole system over nfs, the filesystem gets mounted as /cdrom/23:51
macooh my O_O23:51
xokI'm going to install kubuntu over network..23:51
xokI've done everything needed...23:51
Mamarokxok: maybe this one? http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/102123:52
xokthe kubuntu LiveCD gets partially loaded..23:52
xokbut stucks saying "Please provide a name for this Disc blahblahblah"..23:52
xokMamarok, will try, thanks..:-)23:52
xokMamarok, thanks, but that's not what I want...23:53
Mamarokwell, it is a generic instruction, replace Slackware with Kubuntu23:53
xokMamarok, the server (NFS is running on) is actually the slackware box...23:54
xokbut it has no problems at all...23:54
xokproblems I've encountered are only with kubuntu...23:54
xokubuntu LiveCD for example loads perfectly..23:55
xokworks just fine..23:55
xokhave done almost the same for kubuntu, but it stucks saying we need to name the disc...23:55
xokbut I can't even type anything there..23:55
Mamarokof course not, it's not writeable...23:56
Mamaroktried with an USB stick?23:56
xokpressing ALT+ENTER shows kubuntu logo trying to load something but stucks there, then ESC shows the text messages again saying "Please provide blahblahblah"...23:56
xokMamarok, :-)23:56
xokMamarok, I really appreciate you are trying to help me, but this is not the case you can help I guess.. ;-(23:57
Mamarokyeah, not my day23:57
xokit may turn to you, don't say it's not yours.. ;-)23:58

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