[00:02] <Red_HamsterX> OpenID finally makes sense!
[00:26]  * Red_HamsterX pushes an schema that should capture all needs for the server.
[00:27] <Red_HamsterX> I'm pretty sure it'll do everything, though, so that's ten hours well-spent.
[00:29] <godbyk> One can but hope. ;-)
[02:17] <Red_HamsterX> Lawl, "an schema".
[02:52]  * Red_HamsterX fixes issues, allowing the system to actually run.
[02:52] <Red_HamsterX> (Not that it does anything right now)
[04:51] <godbyk> Hey, Red_HamsterX.. for some screenshots in the future, I'd like to be able to annotate them (using numbers or arrows, etc.).  Do you think this is something Quickshot could do or help with?
[05:17] <Red_HamsterX> Not directly, but it should be easy enough to make a script that'll overlay annotations on the captured images.
[05:18] <Red_HamsterX> Like what we did to clean up the button order.
[05:19] <Red_HamsterX> Like, just draw on top of one image, then save the layer and batch-apply that to all other languages.
[05:19] <Red_HamsterX> (With exceptions for RTL stuff)
[05:19] <Red_HamsterX> I could hack that in about half an hour, with config files.
[05:22] <godbyk> Right.
[05:22] <godbyk> The only iffy part is how to handle the different languages.
[05:22] <godbyk> Not just LTR and RTL issues, but also different translations have different length words. So the offsets will vary.
[05:22] <Red_HamsterX> Oh, not just numerals?
[05:23] <Red_HamsterX> Hmm...
[05:23] <Red_HamsterX> It doesn't seem like it'd be terribly hard to do...
[05:24] <Red_HamsterX> Layer overlay for circles and stuff (since those should be similar in most languages) and (x,y) anchors for text.
[05:24] <Red_HamsterX> With smart placement rules to prevent strings from going off edges.
[05:25] <godbyk> Well creating the overlay elements is easy.
[05:25] <godbyk> But if I want to point at, say, the help icon in the panel..
[05:25] <godbyk> that x offset varies depending on the language.
[05:26] <Red_HamsterX> If processing power is a non-issue, we could brute-force-scan the image for matching pixels.
[05:26] <Red_HamsterX> (Or spend time finding a less-stupid algorithm)
[05:26] <Red_HamsterX> (Someone's probably written one)
[05:27] <Red_HamsterX> (If not, I'm decent at problems like that)
[05:28] <godbyk> well, the reason I asked about incorporating it into quickshot is because I figured quickshot could potentially record that info when it takes the image.
[05:28] <godbyk> grab the (x,y) coordinates of the center of that panel icon, for instance.
[05:28] <godbyk> using some snazzy API that someone else has already written.. whatever that may be. :)
[05:28] <Red_HamsterX> Maybe the panel exposes docklet data...
[05:29] <Red_HamsterX> But, yeah, that could be worth looking into.
[05:29] <Red_HamsterX> Though it'd complicate out-of-flow hacks.
[05:30] <Red_HamsterX> Since that sort of data would need to be stored as a tag againt the file.
[05:31] <Red_HamsterX> Can you add a list of things you might want to highlight to http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/f0VIdaLXWZ ?
[05:31] <Red_HamsterX> Anywhere's fine.
[05:32] <godbyk> Sure.
[05:32] <Red_HamsterX> It doesn't have to be a complete list. I just want to know if I should contemplate this feature as a project-specific hack or an architectural necessity.
[05:33] <Red_HamsterX> (While it's still early enough to easily add such things to the plan)
[05:36] <godbyk> Right.
[05:36] <godbyk> I just remembered when we first started taking screenshots that I wanted to annotate some.
[05:37] <godbyk> For the desktop one, for instance, I wanted to point out the panels, what the icons on the panels meant, etc.
[05:37] <godbyk> Basically, put labels on the screenshot so we don't have to come up with insane textual descriptions all the time.
[06:01] <godbyk> Okay, it's midnight here and I have a meeting in the morning, so I'm headed to bed.
[06:01] <godbyk> See you guys later!
[06:11] <humphreybc> godbyk, a meeting!?
[06:11] <humphreybc> a MEETING!
[06:11] <godbyk-android> Yep. New job = weekly meetings.
[06:12] <nisshh> humphreybc: i have a meeting tonight as well
[06:12] <nisshh> hehe
[06:13] <humphreybc> godbyk, you have a job now?
[06:13] <humphreybc> my team is falling apart! You guys can't get employed!
[06:13] <humphreybc> We rely on your hours and hours of slave labour
[06:13] <nisshh> hehe, nah its my loco meeting
[06:14] <nisshh> humphreybc: welcome back by the way!
[06:15] <godbyk-android> LOL
[06:15] <humphreybc> danke :)
[06:16] <nisshh> the break from the manual has been good, iv almost got a new release of my app out
[06:23] <humphreybc> nice
[06:23] <humphreybc> what app?
[06:39] <humphreybc> http://twitpic.com/1oj826
[06:42] <nisshh> hehe, was concetrating: https://edge.launchpad.net/pytask
[06:43] <nisshh> rick spencer was helping me with it last night
[06:45] <nisshh> humphreybc: should get a new release out by the end of this month
[06:46] <humphreybc> sweet!
[06:47] <nisshh> humphreybc: so what did you find out at uds?
[06:48] <humphreybc> lots of stuff!
[06:48] <humphreybc> everyone loves UMP and OMG
[06:48] <nisshh> cool
[06:49] <nisshh> also, check the mailing list for a few mails from various doc teams
[06:49] <humphreybc> kay
[06:49] <humphreybc> we had a pretty good session at UDS about collaboration
[06:49] <humphreybc> any email back from Matt East yet?
[06:49] <nisshh> dunno
[06:50] <nisshh> not in my hotmail...
[06:52] <nisshh> hmm, not to the list, but just a few bug reports and stuff on lp
[09:57] <thorwil> godbyk: hi, no need to bother with the making-beautiful-fonts video if you haven't already, screen is outside of camera view :/
[12:37] <ubuntujenkins> +1
[12:37] <ubuntujenkins> ?quickshot > ubuntujenkins
[12:37] <quickshotdevs> ubuntujenkins, please see my private message
[15:16] <godbyk> thorwil: thanks for the heads-up.  I don't s'pose anyone's posted the slides yet?
[15:44] <thorwil> godbyk: no. Iain is on it
[15:47] <godbyk> cool
[15:47] <godbyk> thorwil: also, totally agree with your take on the use of the word 'intuitive' in discussing usability issues.
[15:47] <godbyk> it's overused and is entirely too ambiguous to use in those conversations.
[15:48] <godbyk> having said that, however, I've actually been ignoring the ayatana emails of late because there are too many of them and they don't contain enough substance.
[15:49] <thorwil> yeah, 2 or 3 much too wordy people
[16:03]  * Red_HamsterX enjoys being loquacious. :(
[16:03] <Red_HamsterX> Hence my rediculously huge nick.
[16:03] <Red_HamsterX> ridiculosuly*
[16:04] <Red_HamsterX> (The handle I use on other networks has been abandoned for over a year on Freenode, but I have no idea who to speak to about getting it released)
[16:05] <Red_HamsterX> (And I still use this name to sign code and stuff, so...)
[16:41] <ubuntujenkins>  Red_HamsterX http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#unusednick
[16:42] <ubuntujenkins> I guess #freenode would be the place to find a staffer
[16:49] <Red_HamsterX> Ah, yes. I suppose I could have just used Google.
[16:50] <ubuntujenkins> lol I had read that page before
[16:50] <Red_HamsterX> I'm used to just knowing the ops on networks I frequent.
[16:57] <flan> Yay for shorter, less-silly-looking nicknames.
[16:58] <flan> Now I can confuse people.
[16:58]  * flan updates his Launchpad page for sanity's sake.
[16:58] <flan> Thanks, ubuntujenkins. :)
[16:59] <ubuntujenkins> flan: no more Red_HamsterX then :(
[16:59] <ubuntujenkins> I am going to get confused for a day or two :P
[17:01] <flan> Well, I could use both...
[17:01] <flan> Rename my bot or something.
[17:01] <ubuntujenkins> no its cool I will learn :)
[17:07] <flan> Handles with underscores in them are pretentious.
[17:08]  * flan self-asserts facts.
[18:37] <c7p> hey godbyk :)
[18:59] <thorwil> godbyk: heh, linux libertine used for the redone wikipedia logo: http://www.underconsideration.com/brandnew/archives/around_the_world_in_51_characters.php
[20:17] <flan> Random survey: how many people here have actually used a hex editor?