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[20:01] <lamont> slangasek: when the need arises, you have maverick-live chroots
[20:02] <slangasek> yay
[20:07] <ScottK> slangasek: Is it possible to remove images from the Kubuntu ports releases page?
[20:11] <slangasek> ScottK: I'm a little uncomfortable removing them after the fact - are they completely unusable?
[20:11] <ScottK> slangasek: I think it's reasonable to say the sparc one is.
[20:12] <ScottK> Our status is: powerpc - somewhat tested and believed to work, ia64 - untested, but may work, sparc - the entire port is broken, so no point in testing.
[20:12] <slangasek> howso?  I heard that the conclusion last week was that sparc is busted and not going to get better, but I don't have details
[20:12] <ScottK> I didn't hear details beyond the kernel doesn't work.
[20:12] <ScottK> That was enough for me.
[20:12] <ScottK> Maybe lamont knows.
[20:12] <slangasek> lamont: do you know?
[20:13] <ScottK> perhaps more relevant, perhaps lamont will admit to knowing....
[20:26] <lamont> heh
[20:28] <lamont> so... the conclusion of the "what about ia64/sparc (and ppc)?" session:  keybuk to go to tech board for ratification and mailing under their from address that sparc is clearly (1) broken and (2) not being loved, therefore all y'all have until feature freeze to make it work, or it'll be removed and lucid will be the last sparc release until such time as revived.
[20:28] <slangasek> lamont: clearly broken how?
[20:28] <lamont> re: ia64:  clearly neglected, but basically working.  Needs a new toolchain champion (as does sparc), doko won't be spending time on it other than vetting patches and uploading for the champion(s).
[20:29] <lamont> slangasek: upgrading from jaunty to karmic causes a reboot in a state where the machine is unbootable.  lucid lacks a kernel, I'm not sure of the state of installability from media in even karmic.
[20:30] <slangasek> "lacks a kernel"?
[20:30] <slangasek> there is one in the archive
[20:30] <lamont> ppc: has a strong community, seems to be doing ok, we'll address that one sometime between now and whatever will expire after the next LTS
[20:30] <lamont> slangasek: if only it booted
[20:30] <slangasek> why doesn't it boot, what range of hardware has this been verified on, is there a bug #?
[20:31] <lamont> slangasek: nfc here.  pure hearsay
[20:32] <slangasek> well, hmm.  Hearsay from whom?
[20:32] <slangasek> I'm not willing to nuke images from the release that we won't be able to get back afterwards, based on hearsay alone
[20:32] <lamont> my sparc box is not very happy (at least according to the guy I loaned it to last), and I haven't played with it in forever
[20:32] <slangasek> (well, ok, we can get those back afterwards by rebuilding from the release pocket, but)
[20:33] <lamont> slangasek: I don't see any reason to nuke them, given that they're clearly not supported in any case
[20:34] <slangasek> the reason to nuke them is that they're kubuntu images and the kubuntu folks (in person of ScottK) are asking for the nukage
[20:35] <ScottK> It's not essential to have it removed, but if we're going to point people at the ports directory, it would seem CoC friendly not to point them at known broken stuff.
[20:36] <ScottK> OTOH, the odds of anyone caring about sparc and a desktop are low enough, meh.
[20:40] <lamont> at least add a header to the html in the directory saying "known broken, fixes welcome"???  dunno