[16:03] <_pg_> i missed the mtg yesterday. is it logged somewhere?
[16:03] <_pg_> or can i get a cliffnotes lol
[16:10] <tertl3_> i have failed to get any sound levels with jack  :(
[16:11] <tertl3_> anyone happen to know why?
[16:15] <holstein> morning tertl3_
[16:16] <tertl3_> good morning
[16:16] <holstein> SO whats up with JACK?
[16:16] <holstein> are you using your insternal sound card?
[16:17] <tertl3_> its PCI soundblaster
[16:17] <holstein> OK
[16:17] <tertl3_> i have got the PC to recognize it with alsa
[16:17] <holstein> what do you mean by 'no levels'?
[16:18] <tertl3_> well, like when I try to use ardour or a guitar effect software, I get no levels
[16:18] <astraljava> _pg_: Might be here: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/05/16/%23ubuntustudio-devel.html
[16:18] <tertl3_> it could be that I dont have the connections right, but I have tried many different ways
[16:20] <holstein> tertl3_: OK
[16:20] <holstein> lets start at the beginning
[16:20] <holstein> you hear sound otherwise with the card right?
[16:20] <holstein> with pulse or whatever?
[16:20] <tertl3_> yes
[16:21] <tertl3_> and I can record with audacity as long as i dont use jack
[16:21] <holstein> when you start JACK, do you use qjackctl?
[16:21] <tertl3_> i use the the gui tab, but yes
[16:21] <holstein> OK
[16:21] <holstein> so your looking at qjack when you start jack
[16:21] <holstein> any errors?
[16:22] <holstein> or does it just start?
[16:22] <holstein> do you see any xruns?
[16:22] <tertl3_> xruns?
[16:23] <tertl3_> i have jack on my other parition, b/c of issues with the RT kernel, so I might need to boot into it so I can run it and tell you what happens
[16:24] <holstein> http://www.passback.org.uk/music/fedora-music-intro/
[16:24] <tertl3_> i am using ubuntu
[16:24] <tertl3_> :)
[16:24] <holstein> yeah
[16:25] <holstein> this is just a pic of qjack
[16:25] <tertl3_> oh
[16:25] <tertl3_> my mistake
[16:25] <holstein> the first pic
[16:25] <holstein> thats the main qjackctl window
[16:25] <holstein> thats where you'll see xruns
[16:26] <tertl3_> when it runs, it says either started or active
[16:26] <holstein> OK
[16:26] <tertl3_> and when I hit record it says rolling
[16:26] <holstein> in ardour?
[16:26] <tertl3_> and its usually at about .67%
[16:26] <tertl3_> yes, in ardour
[16:27] <holstein> SO you've never heard any sound from JACK
[16:27] <holstein> OR with JACK ?
[16:28] <tertl3_> well, the sound comes out of the speakers, but I get no indication from ardour or jack
[16:28] <holstein> OH
[16:28] <holstein> well, that might be fine then
[16:29] <tertl3_> yea, I've been fighting with this for 2 days :)
[16:29] <holstein> what indication do you want?
[16:29] <holstein> a meter?
[16:29] <holstein> jack won't give you a meter
[16:30] <holstein> it will just list the devices you can 'jack'
[16:30] <tertl3_> yeah, like when I play the guitar, ardour doesnt give the levels
[16:30] <tertl3_> I know, but I jacked it to ardour
[16:30] <holstein> OK
[16:31] <holstein> i think it could be a 'track arming' thing
[16:31] <holstein> in arour
[16:31] <holstein> you create a track
[16:31] <holstein> ardour*
[16:31] <tertl3_> ok
[16:31] <tertl3_> I did that
[16:31] <holstein> assuming you have the routing done properly
[16:32] <holstein> you hit the record button on that track
[16:32] <holstein> and the meter should show the 'in'
[16:32] <holstein> you can also open the mixer in ardour
[16:32] <holstein> theres a button
[16:32] <holstein> at the bottom of the channels
[16:33] <holstein> toggles between what the meter indicates
[16:33] <holstein> ususally the defauly behavior works fine
[16:33] <holstein> BUT occasionally i have to change those manually
[16:34] <tertl3_> ok, I will boot to other partition and try it.   I will go to IRC there
[16:34] <holstein> cool
[16:34] <holstein> :)
[16:38] <tertl3> ok, I made it
[16:39]  * holstein too
[16:39] <holstein> i got my mininote with lucid studio fired up :)
[16:39] <tertl3> cool
[16:40] <tertl3> how should the routing look on th alsa tab?
[16:41] <holstein> you just need to make sure you choose the proper 'in'
[16:41] <holstein> from your sound card
[16:42] <holstein> and  route that to the channel input in ardour
[16:42] <holstein> everything else is probably set up by default
[16:42] <holstein> BUT i always look over it anyways
[16:42] <holstein> you can just run ALL you soundcard inputs into the channel
[16:43] <tertl3> ok
[16:43] <holstein> to make sure you got it
[16:43] <holstein> AND you can unplug them one at a time
[16:43] <holstein> assuming you have more than 1 or 2 showing up
[16:43] <holstein> you probably only have the right and left from te line-in or something like that
[16:44] <holstein> http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add
[16:45] <holstein> i think we can use this for screemshots
[16:45] <holstein> screen*
[16:45] <holstein> oops...
[16:46] <holstein> melt-down?
[16:47] <tertl3> yeah, jack froze up
[16:47] <holstein> hmmm
[16:47] <holstein> how so?
[16:47] <tertl3> it kept fading dark and not responding
[16:47] <holstein> what are your settings?
[16:48] <holstein> http://www.passback.org.uk/music/fedora-music-intro/
[16:48] <holstein> the 4th image down
[16:49] <holstein> your frames/periods and periods/buffer settings
[16:49] <tertl3> ok, oe sec
[16:49] <holstein> you could just take a screenshot if you want
[16:49] <tertl3> trying to get alsa working
[16:51] <tertl3> now, jack is screwing up again
[16:51] <tertl3> idk, I'll have to come back to it
[16:56] <tertl3> ok frames/period is 128
[16:56] <holstein> tertl3: OK
[16:56] <holstein> for now
[16:57] <holstein> lets change that to 512
[16:57] <holstein> and periods/buffers
[16:57] <tertl3> ok
[16:57] <holstein> lets try and set tat at 3
[16:57] <holstein> that*
[16:58] <tertl3> ok, just changed it
[16:58] <holstein> and for latency at the bottom right?
[16:58] <holstein> what does that say now?
[16:58] <tertl3> 32 msec
[16:58] <holstein> cool
[16:58] <holstein> and the realtime checkbox?
[16:58] <holstein> is that checked?
[16:59] <tertl3> yes, its checked
[16:59] <holstein> OK lest see if that lets JACK run more stable
[16:59] <holstein> with these settings
[16:59] <holstein> sample rate?
[16:59] <holstein> 44.1?
[17:00] <tertl3> ok, its runinng good,
[17:00] <holstein> OK
[17:00] <tertl3> .51    .467   .444   .439
[17:00] <holstein> the soundblaster gear is not 'pro' level gear in my opinion
[17:00] <holstein> as far as getting into the computer at least
[17:01] <holstein> ANYWAYS
[17:01] <tertl3> yeah, I bought it more for output, but it says its 24 bit
[17:01] <holstein> try routing you a channel now
[17:01] <tertl3> ok, what do you mean routing a channel?
[17:02] <holstein> like, try firing up ardour
[17:02] <holstein> and route the line-in
[17:02] <holstein> see if it works
[17:02] <tertl3> oh
[17:03] <tertl3> ok, got a channel up, but I am not getting a reading
[17:04] <tertl3> could sometihng the blocking it or do i need  to configure ardour?
[17:04] <holstein> ...3 minutes.. BB
[17:07] <holstein> hmmm
[17:08] <holstein> tertl3: SO, did you route all the possible out's to your ardour channel?
[17:08] <tertl3> i'm not sure how to do that
[17:09] <tertl3> i've got a small blue reading from the ardour mixer
[17:09] <holstein> http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net/qjackctl-ss1.html
[17:09] <holstein> tertl3: OH
[17:10] <holstein> whats the small blue reading?
[17:10] <tertl3> but no repsonse
[17:10] <holstein> maybe its just a low-level
[17:10] <tertl3> its like it recogizes an input, but when I play it doesn't move
[17:10] <holstein> OK
[17:11] <holstein> lets use zynaddsubfx
[17:11] <holstein> start that up
[17:11] <tertl3> ok
[17:12] <tertl3> its up
[17:12] <tertl3> should i have anyithng connected on the ALSA tab of jack?
[17:12]  * holstein looking
[17:12] <holstein> in zyn
[17:13] <holstein> go to the 'instrument' tab
[17:13] <tertl3> open?
[17:13] <holstein> and open the 'virtual keyboard
[17:13] <holstein> '
[17:14] <tertl3> dont see it
[17:15] <holstein> OK
[17:15] <holstein> goto the 'misc' tab
[17:15] <holstein> and change the interface to 'advanced'
[17:15] <holstein> 'switch user interface mode
[17:15] <holstein> '
[17:16] <tertl3> ok, I was gonna sak about that when I opened it, but ok the keyborad is up
[17:17] <holstein> when you play a note
[17:17] <holstein> with the ouse
[17:17] <holstein> mouse*
[17:17] <holstein> do you hear it?
[17:17] <tertl3> no, but I am geting a reading from ardour now
[17:18] <holstein> OK
[17:18] <holstein> SO
[17:18] <tertl3> thats improvement
[17:18] <holstein> look at you 'audio' tab
[17:18] <holstein> your*
[17:18] <holstein> in 'connections
[17:18] <holstein> '
[17:18] <tertl3> yes
[17:18] <holstein> zyn has 2 outs
[17:19] <holstein> where are those going?
[17:19] <tertl3> one to ardour, and one to system
[17:19] <holstein> OK
[17:19] <holstein> expand all that
[17:19] <holstein> the little plus signs
[17:20] <tertl3> ok, one to master/in 1 and one to palyback 1 and one to playback 2
[17:20] <holstein> OK
[17:20] <holstein> playback 1 and 2
[17:20] <holstein> those should be your speakers
[17:20] <holstein> your 'monitor' out
[17:21] <holstein> you should be hearing zyn
[17:21] <holstein> BUT anyways
[17:21] <holstein> you got the meter moving in ardour
[17:21] <holstein> and that makes me think the line level is just not hot enough
[17:21] <holstein> OR some routing is incorrect
[17:22] <holstein> BUT i think its the level
[17:22] <holstein> do you have a mixer?
[17:22] <tertl3> no
[17:22] <holstein> something with a preamp?
[17:22] <tertl3> I wish i did
[17:22] <tertl3> my bass amp
[17:22] <holstein> you could try it
[17:22] <tertl3> thats what i play guitar through
[17:22] <holstein> you need something to bump the signal up
[17:23] <holstein> on the way in
[17:23] <tertl3> yeah, it goes out of the preamp out
[17:23] <tertl3> into the PC
[17:23] <holstein> well, turn it up to 11 ;)
[17:23] <tjingboem> i have a /home but my terminal starts in /  Why?
[17:24] <holstein> tjingboem: m@zagnut:~$ ls
[17:24] <holstein> Desktop    examples.desktop  Pictures  storage    Videos
[17:24] <holstein> Documents  Music             Public    Templates
[17:24] <holstein> thats where my terminal starts
[17:25] <astraljava> tjingboem: What's the output of `pwd` in a just started terminal?
[17:26] <holstein> yup
[17:26] <holstein> m@zagnut:~$ pwd
[17:26] <holstein> /home/m
[17:26] <tjingboem> sorry astraljava, be right back
[17:26] <astraljava> tjingboem: I'll be afk for a couple of hours, so don't depend on me. :)
[17:29] <tjingboem> astraljava, /
[17:30] <holstein> interesting
[17:31] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1469240
[17:31] <tjingboem> and i have problems with a floppy drive that i do not have
[17:31] <tjingboem> May 17 18:28:40 ubuntu kernel: [   42.732109] end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
[17:31] <tjingboem> May 17 18:28:52 ubuntu kernel: [   54.941034] end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
[17:32] <tjingboem> from /var/log/syslog
[17:32] <holstein> did you just upgrade?
[17:32] <tjingboem> maybe related, i do not know
[17:32] <tjingboem> no, installed fresh
[17:32] <tjingboem> but my home was already there
[17:32] <holstein> OH
[17:33] <holstein> i bet thats related
[17:33] <holstein> i got no idea about how to straiten it out though :/
[17:33] <tjingboem> it takes 30 seconds after logging in for my system to be operational
[17:34] <holstein> how about a loco channel?
[17:34] <tjingboem> then everything works normally
[17:34] <tjingboem> holstein, ?
[17:34] <holstein> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/
[17:34] <tjingboem> ah
[17:35] <holstein> mine is rather active
[17:35] <holstein> -- #ubuntu-us-nc
[17:35] <tjingboem> okay, thanks, i'll try elsewher :)
[17:36] <holstein> when i boot, it seems like lucid is searching for a cdrom device
[17:36] <holstein> i havent gotten very far in troubleshooting yet though
[17:36] <tjingboem> does it takes a lot of time too?
[17:36] <holstein> i say about 30 seconds more than i think it should
[17:36] <tjingboem> ah, same thing perhaps
[17:36] <holstein> its doing it on 2 boxes
[17:37] <tjingboem> i can not compare it to Ubuntu itself, i have only UbuntuStudio installed
[17:37] <holstein> shouldnt matter really
[17:38] <holstein> for the basics under the hood
[17:38] <tjingboem> i will try elsewhere, but i find that when there are too mayny people my question remain unnoticed
[17:39] <holstein> OH
[17:39] <tjingboem> text is flashing me by
[17:39] <holstein> #ubuntu is always a mess
[17:39] <holstein> i like #ubuntu-uk
[17:39] <tjingboem> right
[17:39] <tjingboem> i'll try that one
[17:39] <tjingboem> the dutch people did not know either
[17:40] <holstein> i'll let you know if i make any progress
[17:40] <tjingboem> when i have an answer i will report it
[17:40] <holstein> its going to be a while
[17:40] <holstein> im slammed right now
[17:40] <holstein> for a couple more days
[17:41] <tjingboem> it is not a very urgent matter
[17:41] <tjingboem> but in fstab Ubuntu insisted that i have a floppy, which i do not
[17:42] <tjingboem> so i commented it
[17:42] <holstein> hmmm
[17:42] <tjingboem> but still it is looking for it
[17:42] <tjingboem> i have read something like this and maybe i have to do something in the BIOS
[17:43] <holstein> wouldnt hurt to look there
[17:43] <tjingboem> anyway, thanks sofar. Time to take the children to bed :)
[17:43] <holstein> tjingboem: laterz
[19:12] <abstrakt> hey
[19:12] <abstrakt> big problems with Ubuntu 10.04 amd64 and realtime kernel :/
[19:12] <tertl3> yes
[19:13] <tertl3> i have same problems
[19:13] <abstrakt> dang
[19:13] <tertl3> is jack working for you?
[19:13] <abstrakt> tertl3, freeze -> (initramfs) prompt?
[19:13] <abstrakt> tertl3, well, it was for a while this last time
[19:13] <abstrakt> i've reinstalled twice now
[19:13] <abstrakt> this latest time the crash happened right when i hit start on qjackctl
[19:14] <tertl3> well, its bad news, but I am glad its not just an operator error for me  :)
[19:14] <abstrakt> yeah me too :(
[19:14] <abstrakt> but still
[19:14] <abstrakt> that really sucks
[19:14] <abstrakt> 64 bit was so much better
[19:14] <tertl3> i have done dual boot and one partition with a rt
[19:15] <abstrakt> i have a dual boot but win/nix
[19:15] <tertl3> well, this was my first real attempt at using jack, but I cant seem to get any sound out of it
[19:15] <abstrakt> and if the rt partition crashes and burns like that all the time, that's basically useless
[19:15] <abstrakt> tertl3, there's #jack btw
[19:15] <tertl3> yeah, I'm in there :)
[19:16] <tertl3> so you dont get jack to run at all on RT kernel?
[19:18] <tertl3> did you go here     https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation
[19:19] <abstrakt> tertl3, no not yet
[19:20] <abstrakt> tertl3, "The web page is not available"
[19:20] <holstein> ??
[19:20] <holstein> works for me
[19:20] <holstein> you can also try sudo qjackctl
[19:20] <holstein> make sure its not a permissions issue
[19:21] <abstrakt> tertl3, yeah i was going to suggest trying to run qjackctl as root
[19:21] <abstrakt> tertl3, if that works then you just probably haven't edited your /etc/system/limits.conf
[19:22] <abstrakt> tertl3, you need to give your audio group "realtime priority" in order to run qjackctl as a normal user
[19:22] <tertl3> how?
[19:22] <holstein> its all in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation
[19:23] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation
[19:23] <holstein> ooos
[19:23] <holstein> sudo su -c 'echo @audio - rtprio 99 >> /etc/security/limits.conf'
[19:23] <holstein> sudo su -c 'echo @audio - memlock unlimited >> /etc/security/limits.conf'
[19:23] <abstrakt> yeah that's the bit
[19:23] <holstein> looks like that
[19:23] <abstrakt> seems like it should be using tee instead but whatever works
[19:23] <holstein> theres a package for it too now
[19:23] <holstein> a gui
[19:24] <abstrakt> a package for limits.conf ?
[19:24] <holstein> in the admin tab i think
[19:24] <abstrakt> admin tab of what
[19:24] <holstein> lucid
[19:24] <holstein> studio
[19:24] <abstrakt> holstein, er... tab?
[19:24] <abstrakt> holstein, you mean menu?
[19:25] <abstrakt> holstein, any thoughts on my initramfs freeze?
[19:25] <holstein> system > administration > ubuntu studio settings
[19:25] <holstein> or something like that
[19:25]  * holstein is not in front of it right now
[19:25] <holstein> abstrakt: do you have to have the RT kernel?
[19:25] <abstrakt> holstein, yup
[19:26] <holstein> have you tried the generic one?
[19:26] <abstrakt> holstein, that's specifically what i need
[19:26] <holstein> hmmm
[19:26] <abstrakt> need the low latency for audio recording
[19:26] <holstein> mabe just use the 32bit version?
[19:26]  * holstein hasnt used the 64bit install yet
[19:26] <abstrakt> holstein, that's specifically why i installed 64 bit though, 32 bit just wasn't fast enough
[19:26] <abstrakt> and was crashing a bunch
[19:27] <abstrakt> well, now i guess it's faster *and* it's crashing a bunch
[19:27] <abstrakt> only primary difference is now this crash does NOT seem recoverable
[19:27] <abstrakt> i get stuck at a prompt that says (initramfs)
[19:27] <tertl3> holstien: that command said unknown ID
[19:28] <holstein> tertl3: ??
[19:28] <abstrakt> tertl3, just edit the file by hand and add those lines
[19:28] <abstrakt> tertl3, sudo nano /etc/security/limits.conf
[19:28] <abstrakt> tertl3, pico nano /etc/security/limits.conf
[19:28] <abstrakt> tertl3, vim nano /etc/security/limits.conf
[19:28] <abstrakt> i dunno what comes with ubuntu
[19:28] <abstrakt> actually i know vim does but i don't know about nano or pico
[19:29] <holstein> sudo gedit /etc/security/limits.conf
[19:29] <holstein> gedit FTW ;)
[19:29] <abstrakt> nah, vim ftw :)
[19:29] <holstein> hehe
[19:29] <abstrakt> gvim ftw actually
[19:30] <holstein> i can get around OK in nano
[19:30] <abstrakt> but vim would probably beat the crap out of tertl3 and he'd come crying back
[19:30] <holstein> when i run vim, i need a google page open somewhere for reference ;)
[19:31] <abstrakt> lol that's like saying i can get around ok in my front yard
[19:31] <abstrakt> lol
[19:31] <holstein> and i can
[19:31] <tertl3> yeah, i tried vim once
[19:31] <tertl3> its overly complex
[19:31] <holstein> i have a server install
[19:31] <holstein> an i did the config in vim
[19:31] <tertl3> or either a exponential learning curve
[19:32] <holstein> BUT i forgot it all right after
[19:32] <abstrakt> holstein, you mean like one of these? http://www.viemu.com/vi-vim-cheat-sheet.gif
[19:32] <holstein> i would have to do it more often to keep my chops up
[19:32] <holstein> abstrakt: thats a good one
[19:32] <abstrakt> tertl3, it's neither actually, but it all depends on what you need to do, if you are an author, like a writer, you probably want emacs, if you're a programmer you probably want vim
[19:32] <abstrakt> holstein, yeh print that baby out and put it on ur desk
[19:32] <abstrakt> holstein, then you don't need google :)
[19:33] <holstein> w00t
[19:33] <abstrakt> tertl3, if you don't code then you won't understand why vim is neither overly complex nor exponential to learn
[19:33] <abstrakt> oh well
[19:33] <abstrakt> bubbye then
[20:15] <tertl3> when I choose between kernels at grub, it keeps everything else the same, and only changes the kernel?
[20:15] <tertl3> it that how it works?
[20:16] <holstein> yup
[20:16] <holstein> you can just choose between them
[20:16] <holstein> you could find a device that is not supported in one that is supported in the other
[20:16] <holstein> BUT probably not
[20:17] <tertl3> cool
[20:17]  * tertl3 stcks with audacity and alsa for now
[20:17] <tertl3> my RT kernel is running fine now
[20:18] <holstein> thats a good place to start
[20:18] <holstein> i always say, just start simple, and move up when you hit a wall and need something
[20:19] <tertl3> yeah, only thing I really need jack for is to play with the effects
[20:20] <tertl3> but, that can be badly distracting
[20:20] <holstein> when you need it, you'll know :)
[20:21] <tertl3> nothing wrong with clean guitar i suppose
[20:21] <tertl3> alsa, I have a couple of pedals  :)
[20:22] <tertl3> do you ever put effects on your upright for fun?
[20:23]  * tertl3 takes a pinch of snuff
[20:28] <tertl3> after all, I think you get more recognition for sounding good without a lot of effects when playing a traditional instrument
[20:30] <holstein> tertl3: i use rakarrack onthe upright some
[20:30] <holstein> it has a MIDI function too
[20:30] <holstein> that project is awesome
[20:30] <holstein> those guys hang in #opensourcemusicians
[20:30] <holstein> transmorofix i think
[20:31] <holstein> i want to say hes the main dev
[20:31] <holstein> ANYHOW
[20:31] <holstein> the MIDI is a little slow
[20:31] <holstein> but i can use the bass to trigger a synth pad
[20:31] <holstein> and run it through effects or whatever
[20:31] <holstein> very cool
[20:31] <tertl3> thats neat
[20:32] <holstein> the latest 'testing' rakarrack has a looper too
[20:33] <tertl3> dang, i really do need that  :)
[20:33] <tertl3> theres got to be something I;m not doing properly for jack not play the sound
[20:36] <holstein> JACK doesnt have to support your audio device
[20:36] <holstein> could be that simple
[20:36] <holstein> you'll want something else anyway
[20:36] <holstein> if your going to do something in the 'pro' realm
[20:37] <holstein> something with balanced in's, or preamps
[20:37] <holstein> if your shopping on the 'cheap'
[20:37] <holstein> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/422094-REG/Behringer_UCA202_UCA202_USB_Audio_Interface.html
[20:37] <holstein> that works well
[20:37] <holstein> just no preamps, or balanced in's
[20:39] <tertl3> hmm
[20:40] <tertl3> i guess I could look up that list for jack supported cards
[20:44] <tertl3> but, would i get sound when jack is on if jack didnt support my card?
[20:50] <holstein> tertl3: probably not
[20:50] <holstein> if its not supported, it could partially work
[20:50] <holstein> OR just be strange i guess
[20:51] <holstein> im not a big fan of USB interfaces
[20:52] <holstein> BUT its nice to be able to use the same interface easily with laptops and desktops
[22:54] <tertl3> thats a nice and simple card
[22:55] <tertl3> is the USB not slow?
[22:56] <tertl3> i guess low latency answers that qustion