[16:03] <_pg_> i missed the mtg yesterday. is it logged somewhere? [16:03] <_pg_> or can i get a cliffnotes lol [16:10] i have failed to get any sound levels with jack :( [16:11] anyone happen to know why? [16:15] morning tertl3_ [16:16] good morning [16:16] SO whats up with JACK? [16:16] are you using your insternal sound card? [16:17] its PCI soundblaster [16:17] OK [16:17] i have got the PC to recognize it with alsa [16:17] what do you mean by 'no levels'? [16:18] well, like when I try to use ardour or a guitar effect software, I get no levels [16:18] _pg_: Might be here: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/05/16/%23ubuntustudio-devel.html [16:18] it could be that I dont have the connections right, but I have tried many different ways [16:20] tertl3_: OK [16:20] lets start at the beginning [16:20] you hear sound otherwise with the card right? [16:20] with pulse or whatever? [16:20] yes [16:21] and I can record with audacity as long as i dont use jack [16:21] when you start JACK, do you use qjackctl? [16:21] i use the the gui tab, but yes [16:21] OK [16:21] so your looking at qjack when you start jack [16:21] any errors? [16:22] or does it just start? [16:22] do you see any xruns? [16:22] xruns? [16:23] i have jack on my other parition, b/c of issues with the RT kernel, so I might need to boot into it so I can run it and tell you what happens [16:24] http://www.passback.org.uk/music/fedora-music-intro/ [16:24] i am using ubuntu [16:24] :) [16:24] yeah [16:25] this is just a pic of qjack [16:25] oh [16:25] my mistake [16:25] the first pic [16:25] thats the main qjackctl window [16:25] thats where you'll see xruns [16:26] when it runs, it says either started or active [16:26] OK [16:26] and when I hit record it says rolling [16:26] in ardour? [16:26] and its usually at about .67% [16:26] yes, in ardour [16:27] SO you've never heard any sound from JACK [16:27] OR with JACK ? [16:28] well, the sound comes out of the speakers, but I get no indication from ardour or jack [16:28] OH [16:28] well, that might be fine then [16:29] yea, I've been fighting with this for 2 days :) [16:29] what indication do you want? [16:29] a meter? [16:29] jack won't give you a meter [16:30] it will just list the devices you can 'jack' [16:30] yeah, like when I play the guitar, ardour doesnt give the levels [16:30] I know, but I jacked it to ardour [16:30] OK [16:31] i think it could be a 'track arming' thing [16:31] in arour [16:31] you create a track [16:31] ardour* [16:31] ok [16:31] I did that [16:31] assuming you have the routing done properly [16:32] you hit the record button on that track [16:32] and the meter should show the 'in' [16:32] you can also open the mixer in ardour [16:32] theres a button [16:32] at the bottom of the channels [16:33] toggles between what the meter indicates [16:33] ususally the defauly behavior works fine [16:33] BUT occasionally i have to change those manually [16:34] ok, I will boot to other partition and try it. I will go to IRC there [16:34] cool [16:34] :) [16:38] ok, I made it [16:39] * holstein too [16:39] i got my mininote with lucid studio fired up :) [16:39] cool [16:40] how should the routing look on th alsa tab? [16:41] you just need to make sure you choose the proper 'in' [16:41] from your sound card [16:42] and route that to the channel input in ardour [16:42] everything else is probably set up by default [16:42] BUT i always look over it anyways [16:42] you can just run ALL you soundcard inputs into the channel [16:43] ok [16:43] to make sure you got it [16:43] AND you can unplug them one at a time [16:43] assuming you have more than 1 or 2 showing up [16:43] you probably only have the right and left from te line-in or something like that [16:44] http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add [16:45] i think we can use this for screemshots [16:45] screen* [16:45] oops... [16:46] melt-down? [16:47] yeah, jack froze up [16:47] hmmm [16:47] how so? [16:47] it kept fading dark and not responding [16:47] what are your settings? [16:48] http://www.passback.org.uk/music/fedora-music-intro/ [16:48] the 4th image down [16:49] your frames/periods and periods/buffer settings [16:49] ok, oe sec [16:49] you could just take a screenshot if you want [16:49] trying to get alsa working [16:51] now, jack is screwing up again [16:51] idk, I'll have to come back to it [16:56] ok frames/period is 128 [16:56] tertl3: OK [16:56] for now [16:57] lets change that to 512 [16:57] and periods/buffers [16:57] ok [16:57] lets try and set tat at 3 [16:57] that* [16:58] ok, just changed it [16:58] and for latency at the bottom right? [16:58] what does that say now? [16:58] 32 msec [16:58] cool [16:58] and the realtime checkbox? [16:58] is that checked? [16:59] yes, its checked [16:59] OK lest see if that lets JACK run more stable [16:59] with these settings [16:59] sample rate? [16:59] 44.1? [17:00] ok, its runinng good, [17:00] OK [17:00] .51 .467 .444 .439 [17:00] the soundblaster gear is not 'pro' level gear in my opinion [17:00] as far as getting into the computer at least [17:01] ANYWAYS [17:01] yeah, I bought it more for output, but it says its 24 bit [17:01] try routing you a channel now [17:01] ok, what do you mean routing a channel? [17:02] like, try firing up ardour [17:02] and route the line-in [17:02] see if it works [17:02] oh [17:03] ok, got a channel up, but I am not getting a reading [17:04] could sometihng the blocking it or do i need to configure ardour? [17:04] ...3 minutes.. BB [17:07] hmmm [17:08] tertl3: SO, did you route all the possible out's to your ardour channel? [17:08] i'm not sure how to do that [17:09] i've got a small blue reading from the ardour mixer [17:09] http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net/qjackctl-ss1.html [17:09] tertl3: OH [17:10] whats the small blue reading? [17:10] but no repsonse [17:10] maybe its just a low-level [17:10] its like it recogizes an input, but when I play it doesn't move [17:10] OK [17:11] lets use zynaddsubfx [17:11] start that up [17:11] ok [17:12] its up [17:12] should i have anyithng connected on the ALSA tab of jack? [17:12] * holstein looking [17:12] in zyn [17:13] go to the 'instrument' tab [17:13] open? [17:13] and open the 'virtual keyboard [17:13] ' [17:14] dont see it [17:15] OK [17:15] goto the 'misc' tab [17:15] and change the interface to 'advanced' [17:15] 'switch user interface mode [17:15] ' [17:16] ok, I was gonna sak about that when I opened it, but ok the keyborad is up [17:17] when you play a note [17:17] with the ouse [17:17] mouse* [17:17] do you hear it? [17:17] no, but I am geting a reading from ardour now [17:18] OK [17:18] SO [17:18] thats improvement [17:18] look at you 'audio' tab [17:18] your* [17:18] in 'connections [17:18] ' [17:18] yes [17:18] zyn has 2 outs [17:19] where are those going? [17:19] one to ardour, and one to system [17:19] OK [17:19] expand all that [17:19] the little plus signs [17:20] ok, one to master/in 1 and one to palyback 1 and one to playback 2 [17:20] OK [17:20] playback 1 and 2 [17:20] those should be your speakers [17:20] your 'monitor' out [17:21] you should be hearing zyn [17:21] BUT anyways [17:21] you got the meter moving in ardour [17:21] and that makes me think the line level is just not hot enough [17:21] OR some routing is incorrect [17:22] BUT i think its the level [17:22] do you have a mixer? [17:22] no [17:22] something with a preamp? [17:22] I wish i did [17:22] my bass amp [17:22] you could try it [17:22] thats what i play guitar through [17:22] you need something to bump the signal up [17:23] on the way in [17:23] yeah, it goes out of the preamp out [17:23] into the PC [17:23] well, turn it up to 11 ;) [17:23] i have a /home but my terminal starts in / Why? [17:24] tjingboem: m@zagnut:~$ ls [17:24] Desktop examples.desktop Pictures storage Videos [17:24] Documents Music Public Templates [17:24] thats where my terminal starts [17:25] tjingboem: What's the output of `pwd` in a just started terminal? [17:26] yup [17:26] m@zagnut:~$ pwd [17:26] /home/m [17:26] sorry astraljava, be right back [17:26] tjingboem: I'll be afk for a couple of hours, so don't depend on me. :) [17:29] astraljava, / [17:30] interesting [17:31] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1469240 [17:31] and i have problems with a floppy drive that i do not have [17:31] May 17 18:28:40 ubuntu kernel: [ 42.732109] end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0 [17:31] May 17 18:28:52 ubuntu kernel: [ 54.941034] end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0 [17:32] from /var/log/syslog [17:32] did you just upgrade? [17:32] maybe related, i do not know [17:32] no, installed fresh [17:32] but my home was already there [17:32] OH [17:33] i bet thats related [17:33] i got no idea about how to straiten it out though :/ [17:33] it takes 30 seconds after logging in for my system to be operational [17:34] how about a loco channel? [17:34] then everything works normally [17:34] holstein, ? [17:34] http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ [17:34] ah [17:35] mine is rather active [17:35] -- #ubuntu-us-nc [17:35] okay, thanks, i'll try elsewher :) [17:36] when i boot, it seems like lucid is searching for a cdrom device [17:36] i havent gotten very far in troubleshooting yet though [17:36] does it takes a lot of time too? [17:36] i say about 30 seconds more than i think it should [17:36] ah, same thing perhaps [17:36] its doing it on 2 boxes [17:37] i can not compare it to Ubuntu itself, i have only UbuntuStudio installed [17:37] shouldnt matter really [17:38] for the basics under the hood [17:38] i will try elsewhere, but i find that when there are too mayny people my question remain unnoticed [17:39] OH [17:39] text is flashing me by [17:39] #ubuntu is always a mess [17:39] i like #ubuntu-uk [17:39] right [17:39] i'll try that one [17:39] the dutch people did not know either [17:40] i'll let you know if i make any progress [17:40] when i have an answer i will report it [17:40] its going to be a while [17:40] im slammed right now [17:40] for a couple more days [17:41] it is not a very urgent matter [17:41] but in fstab Ubuntu insisted that i have a floppy, which i do not [17:42] so i commented it [17:42] hmmm [17:42] but still it is looking for it [17:42] i have read something like this and maybe i have to do something in the BIOS [17:43] wouldnt hurt to look there [17:43] anyway, thanks sofar. Time to take the children to bed :) [17:43] tjingboem: laterz [19:12] hey [19:12] big problems with Ubuntu 10.04 amd64 and realtime kernel :/ [19:12] yes [19:13] i have same problems [19:13] dang [19:13] is jack working for you? [19:13] tertl3, freeze -> (initramfs) prompt? [19:13] tertl3, well, it was for a while this last time [19:13] i've reinstalled twice now [19:13] this latest time the crash happened right when i hit start on qjackctl [19:14] well, its bad news, but I am glad its not just an operator error for me :) [19:14] yeah me too :( [19:14] but still [19:14] that really sucks [19:14] 64 bit was so much better [19:14] i have done dual boot and one partition with a rt [19:15] i have a dual boot but win/nix [19:15] well, this was my first real attempt at using jack, but I cant seem to get any sound out of it [19:15] and if the rt partition crashes and burns like that all the time, that's basically useless [19:15] tertl3, there's #jack btw [19:15] yeah, I'm in there :) [19:16] so you dont get jack to run at all on RT kernel? [19:18] did you go here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation [19:19] tertl3, no not yet [19:20] tertl3, "The web page is not available" [19:20] ?? [19:20] works for me [19:20] you can also try sudo qjackctl [19:20] make sure its not a permissions issue [19:21] tertl3, yeah i was going to suggest trying to run qjackctl as root [19:21] tertl3, if that works then you just probably haven't edited your /etc/system/limits.conf [19:22] tertl3, you need to give your audio group "realtime priority" in order to run qjackctl as a normal user [19:22] how? [19:22] its all in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation [19:23] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation [19:23] ooos [19:23] sudo su -c 'echo @audio - rtprio 99 >> /etc/security/limits.conf' [19:23] sudo su -c 'echo @audio - memlock unlimited >> /etc/security/limits.conf' [19:23] yeah that's the bit [19:23] looks like that [19:23] seems like it should be using tee instead but whatever works [19:23] theres a package for it too now [19:23] a gui [19:24] a package for limits.conf ? [19:24] in the admin tab i think [19:24] admin tab of what [19:24] lucid [19:24] studio [19:24] holstein, er... tab? [19:24] holstein, you mean menu? [19:25] holstein, any thoughts on my initramfs freeze? [19:25] system > administration > ubuntu studio settings [19:25] or something like that [19:25] * holstein is not in front of it right now [19:25] abstrakt: do you have to have the RT kernel? [19:25] holstein, yup [19:26] have you tried the generic one? [19:26] holstein, that's specifically what i need [19:26] hmmm [19:26] need the low latency for audio recording [19:26] mabe just use the 32bit version? [19:26] * holstein hasnt used the 64bit install yet [19:26] holstein, that's specifically why i installed 64 bit though, 32 bit just wasn't fast enough [19:26] and was crashing a bunch [19:27] well, now i guess it's faster *and* it's crashing a bunch [19:27] only primary difference is now this crash does NOT seem recoverable [19:27] i get stuck at a prompt that says (initramfs) [19:27] holstien: that command said unknown ID [19:28] tertl3: ?? [19:28] tertl3, just edit the file by hand and add those lines [19:28] tertl3, sudo nano /etc/security/limits.conf [19:28] tertl3, pico nano /etc/security/limits.conf [19:28] tertl3, vim nano /etc/security/limits.conf [19:28] i dunno what comes with ubuntu [19:28] actually i know vim does but i don't know about nano or pico [19:29] sudo gedit /etc/security/limits.conf [19:29] gedit FTW ;) [19:29] nah, vim ftw :) [19:29] hehe [19:29] gvim ftw actually [19:30] i can get around OK in nano [19:30] but vim would probably beat the crap out of tertl3 and he'd come crying back [19:30] when i run vim, i need a google page open somewhere for reference ;) [19:31] lol that's like saying i can get around ok in my front yard [19:31] lol [19:31] and i can [19:31] yeah, i tried vim once [19:31] its overly complex [19:31] i have a server install [19:31] an i did the config in vim [19:31] or either a exponential learning curve [19:32] BUT i forgot it all right after [19:32] holstein, you mean like one of these? http://www.viemu.com/vi-vim-cheat-sheet.gif [19:32] i would have to do it more often to keep my chops up [19:32] abstrakt: thats a good one [19:32] tertl3, it's neither actually, but it all depends on what you need to do, if you are an author, like a writer, you probably want emacs, if you're a programmer you probably want vim [19:32] holstein, yeh print that baby out and put it on ur desk [19:32] holstein, then you don't need google :) [19:33] w00t [19:33] tertl3, if you don't code then you won't understand why vim is neither overly complex nor exponential to learn [19:33] oh well [19:33] bubbye then [20:15] when I choose between kernels at grub, it keeps everything else the same, and only changes the kernel? [20:15] it that how it works? [20:16] yup [20:16] you can just choose between them [20:16] you could find a device that is not supported in one that is supported in the other [20:16] BUT probably not [20:17] cool [20:17] * tertl3 stcks with audacity and alsa for now [20:17] my RT kernel is running fine now [20:18] thats a good place to start [20:18] i always say, just start simple, and move up when you hit a wall and need something [20:19] yeah, only thing I really need jack for is to play with the effects [20:20] but, that can be badly distracting [20:20] when you need it, you'll know :) [20:21] nothing wrong with clean guitar i suppose [20:21] alsa, I have a couple of pedals :) [20:22] do you ever put effects on your upright for fun? [20:23] * tertl3 takes a pinch of snuff [20:28] after all, I think you get more recognition for sounding good without a lot of effects when playing a traditional instrument [20:30] tertl3: i use rakarrack onthe upright some [20:30] it has a MIDI function too [20:30] that project is awesome [20:30] those guys hang in #opensourcemusicians [20:30]