[15:20] <Keybuk> oops, wrong button
[15:22] <sadmac> Keybuk: what'd you do? >:(
[15:22] <Keybuk> Alt+F4'd the wrong window ;p
[15:22] <Keybuk> am tediously going through gobby saving all the discussions from UDS
[15:22] <Keybuk> then I have to embarassingly watch all the videos again, and make more notes
[15:22] <sadmac> Keybuk: DAMNIT! You ruined everything!
[15:23] <Keybuk> and put that all together into a roadmap
[15:28] <Keybuk> but, most importantly today, I have to go to the gym! :p
[15:39] <sadmac> Keybuk: what sort of workout are you doing?
[15:40] <Keybuk> cardio mostly, including a 5km run
[15:40] <Keybuk> then basic weights and resistance on the intermediate days
[15:40] <sadmac> I do karate, but I need to be doing more
[15:42] <Keybuk> I have a very funny voice
[15:42] <Keybuk> it doesn't sound anything like it does in my head
[15:42] <sadmac> You sound british
[15:48] <Keybuk> I sound squeaky
[15:49] <sadmac> really?
[15:49] <sadmac> I don't thin so
[15:49] <sadmac> When I hear myself recorded its always "Oh god I'm a nerd."
[16:11] <sadmac> Keybuk: watching your Q&A session finally. So if I want a job to be in manual mode when I boot single user and automatic mode otherwise how do I do it?
[16:52] <Keybuk> the job would have something saying "while not single user" in it
[16:53] <sadmac> Keybuk: so its more complicated to have a sort of runlevel analogue for multiple "system states"
[16:55] <Keybuk> how do you mean?
[16:57] <sadmac> Keybuk: I can't have one file that defines a "single user mode" and one that defines a headless mode and one that defines the usual mode and one that defines a minimal multi-user mode...
[16:57] <sadmac> I can't have runlevels.
[16:57] <Keybuk> you shouldn't need them?
[16:58] <Keybuk> sorry, not quite following you
[16:58] <sadmac> probably not. I'm just not excited to explain that to people
[16:59] <Keybuk> how do you mean?
[17:00] <sadmac> Keybuk: the way you'd described it at one point there were several "profiles" where you could list the jobs that would be in automatic mode with the rest being manual (or the other way around)
[17:00] <Keybuk> right
[17:00] <sadmac> Keybuk: That's much more analagous to runlevels, where you get numbered profiles
[17:01] <sadmac> Keybuk: I don't know if most sane people would use that additional functionality, but I don't get paid to deal with the sane :(
[17:01] <Keybuk> both ways should work
[17:01] <Keybuk> you should be able to define a profile .conf as a list of named jobs
[17:01] <Keybuk> and you should also be able to inherently define a profile by naming it in lots of jobs (without needing a .conf for it)
[17:01] <Keybuk> or a mixture of both
[17:02] <Keybuk> so whichever works better for the distro
[17:02] <sadmac> Keybuk: doing it with the conventional while mechanism makes life dangerous if you implement the dependency solving thing
[17:03] <Keybuk> I don't see how
[17:03] <sadmac> Keybuk: "apache depends on runlevel 5, so start runlevel 5, then start apache"
[17:05] <Keybuk> fair point
[17:06] <sadmac> Keybuk: the enable/except thing we discussed is my preferred solution. I may offer the patch later on.
[17:06] <Keybuk> cool
[17:09]  * sadmac goes back to grinding on that last nih_parse_tool bug
[20:57] <gregcoit> ok, in lucid server, how do startup scripts in init.d and init interact?
[20:57] <gregcoit> ie, if there is a mysql in both....
[20:59] <sadmac> gregcoit: that's an ubuntu question, not an upstart question, since its entirely dependent on how ubuntu configures upstart
[20:59] <gregcoit> sadmac: kk - thanks.