=== claydoh_ is now known as claydoh [02:41] nixternal: Ping [02:41] :) === verbalshadow_ is now known as verbalshadow [03:46] DaSkreech: pong [03:46] nixternal: Dude what's up? :) [03:47] same ol' shit same damn day, at least for 2 hours and 13 minutes [03:59] :-) [04:00] nixternal: How do I get messages at startup with Plymouth? [04:03] disable plymouth :p [04:03] ha ha [04:04] i thought the code was in the script we use for plymouth...actually it is, because i see the fsck messages [04:06] boot without splash and quiet === seele_ is now known as seele [04:25] nixternal: on the splash screen? [04:25] crimsun: :) [04:34] IIRC it's something like splash=false for plymouth [04:34] However the text mode stuff was not heavily tested during the development cycle. [04:39] yes [04:54] bug 582052 is interesting [04:54] Launchpad bug 582052 in pkg-kde-tools "msgsplit crashed with IOError in ()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/582052 [04:54] Lucky I was doing a non-pbuilder build of akonadi, or else it wouldn't have been caught [04:55] Especially since by looking at debian/changelog, I can use pbuilder again since we're no longer doing hard links in the packaging [04:55] apachelogger: dunno if you're interested^ [04:55] what all is apachelogger doing for his gsoc and u1 again? [04:56] I was just looking through all of the u1 libs, seeing what would need to be done for a u1 music store plugins for amarok...holy hell [04:56] you could always just use qtscript and screenscape :D [04:56] lol [04:57] yeah, qtscript won't work for a u1 music store setup I don't think [04:57] u1 music store has my music and pretty much cheaper than anywhere else i can get it too [04:57] not cheaper than pb of course [04:58] yarr [04:58] akonadi uploaded. If anybody's crazy enough to be running maverick (like me) and notices a broken akonadi, just ping me. nighty night. [04:58] g'nite [04:58] been running maverick for 3 days now :D [04:58] :D [04:58] well, it hasn't been running, but i updated my one machine to it [04:58] kernel killed it...haven't messed around with it since [04:59] I updated before UDS, brought my laptop to UDS, then upgraded 100+ packages with the test applet for an unreleased version of libqapt :D [04:59] and it still worked \o/ [05:00] g'nite [05:11] night [08:06] ofirk: on http://violetech.org/kubuntu-website-screenshot-download-page.png [08:07] first line, second sentence: whatever SUITS you, not suites you [08:07] nice page, btw [08:14] valorie: thanks :) [08:22] :-) === alvin_ is now known as alvin [09:29] JontheEchidna: whate are we doing if not hard links? [09:31] oh [09:31] eh [09:31] generally [09:32] it would have been very wise to merge pkg-kde-tools before anything else === wgrant_ is now known as wgrant [11:41] valorie: [repeat from a couple of weeks ago] if you still want those stickers, email me your postal address, myIRCnick@kubuntu.org [11:44] what happened to #kubuntu-netbook ? [11:45] netbook went mainstream [11:46] Riddell: meaning it has no separate discussion channel any more? [11:50] apachelogger: waiting for a new dpkg, otherwise I'd have uploaded a merged pkg-kde-tools [11:52] amichair: right [11:52] JontheEchidna: do you know what part of pkg-kde-tools needs the new dpkg? [11:53] ok, I'll try my luck in the support channel... is it me or has it become less supportive in the past month or two? [11:53] lots of questions, very few answers [11:54] JontheEchidna: well, it is generally a bit of a dangerous thing to do, to merge a stack that relies on a new set of build magic that is not merged ^^ [11:55] + it needs a merge anyway for the l10n magic [11:55] apachelogger: Well, except that it doesn't rely on it yet. Core KDE still only needs 0.6.4 [11:55] and If we dont' do it now we're going to find ourselves needing to package 4.5 beta very soon [11:57] a build-dep bump might not imply a change within the build magic that a package relies on (since one might not notice) [12:04] so far none have [12:05] which is not to say the new automatic symbols stuff wouldn't be a nice convenience, but it's not required [12:06] JontheEchidna: the kind of issues I am afraid of are those that not get noticed for 3 months [12:07] we should work out what in pkg-kde-tools needs the new dpkg and just disable that bit until dpkg catches up [12:07] we've done that before [12:07] ScottK: were there any notes taken from the kubuntu-maverick-updates session? [12:09] dpkg-perl api changes in dh_sameversiondep. Some compat code for older dpkg versions were also removed [12:12] So I've reverted the relevant dh_sameversiondep change now. [12:18] apparently chromium doesn't like me pasting 10,000 lines of text in a textbox [12:18] holy guacamole that's a lot of new packages from kde4libs === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | KDE merges: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/MaverickKDEMerges | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo [12:21] apachelogger: Would you like to merge the l10n stuff in pkg-kde-tools? http://filebin.ca/uwazq/debian-to-merged.diff.zip [12:22] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo added, a sea of potentiality! [12:22] woohoo! [12:22] bb; [12:22] *bbl [12:22] whats there to merge? [12:22] apachelogger: you say in the packaging that there is stuff that needs merged from kde svn each cycle, and that we should log it [12:22] oh [12:22] findfiles [12:23] for the other stuff you can use the target in debian/rules [12:23] I have to go now. I'll be back around lunchtime [12:23] * apachelogger is half-way out the door ^^ [12:29] * Riddell twiddles thumbs while the command to move 1000 new kde4libs packages into main is run [12:32] kripes! [12:33] still going.. [12:39] accepted [13:06] Nice work with the todo list Riddell [13:07] When is maverick toolchain coming out? [13:07] I guess we merge on lucid until then? === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger [13:07] txwikinger2: maverick toolchain is done [13:07] ah.. how do I update [13:07] I don't know if debootstrap is updated or not for chroot making [13:08] I think do-release-update -d does not work yet [13:08] don't look like debootstrap is updated :( [13:11] maybe that's your first task then :) [13:12] Riddell: hehe === sebas_ is now known as sebas [13:20] Riddell: I don't know. I was too busy talking (kubuntu-maverick-updates). I can write something up though. [13:21] ScottK: I thought we did take notes but I could be wrong, can't see them in gobby anyway. adding items to the Todo wiki page is probably most useful [13:26] debfx: ping [13:26] IS lost some stuff, so maybe that was one of them. [13:26] I'll be offline today, so not before tomorrow. [13:26] debfx: the autopoint package is missing a binary [13:26] Riddell: autopoint? [13:27] debfx: you did the gettext merge? [13:28] hmm, nothing in Debian's package either http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/autopoint/filelist [13:28] oh well, Debian bug, accepting [13:28] Riddell: yeah, I misread your question [13:29] it's empty until all packages that need it build-depend on autopoint [13:29] sounds strange but I trust you :) [13:31] currently the autopoint script is in gettext and gettext only recommends autopoint [13:35] Riddell: do you know if someone has already packaged this: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/05/minitunes-ubuntu-makes-music-look-good.html ? [13:39] agateau: nothing at https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/minitunes [13:39] Riddell: oh, so that's how one checks :) [13:39] Riddell: ok thanks [13:42] I don't know how to search PPAs though [13:43] ok [13:43] if it's in the ubuntu archive the page has a handy PPA search at the bottom but not if the package isn't in the archive [13:44] Riddell: if there were a PPA package that page would exist [13:45] really? [13:45] yeah [14:06] morning [14:06] hi rbelem [14:07] :-) [14:22] there were some posts about the naming convention of kcm packages on kubuntu-devel a few month ago [14:23] has anything been decided on that? [14:23] Debian uses kde-config- instead of kcm- [14:24] follow debian is probably a good idea [14:24] so apparently if you install python-kde4 on a gnome desktop, you end up with akonadi tray and all sorts of stuff installed [14:26] i python-kde4 Depends kdebase-runtime (>= 4:4.4.2) [14:26] i A kdebase-runtime Recommends kubuntu-debug-installer [14:26] i A kubuntu-debug-installe Depends kpackagekit [14:26] r [14:26] i A kpackagekit Depends kdebase-workspace-bin [14:26] i A kdebase-workspace-bin Depends plasma-widgets-workspace (= 4:4.4.2-0ubunt [14:26] u14) [14:26] i A plasma-widgets-workspa Depends kdepim-runtime [14:28] has the synaptiks kcm been discussed on UDS (it's not on the todo list)? [14:29] debfx: no we didn't, and I'm not sure what the status is with respect to upstream (wasn't it due to go into kdeutils?) [14:29] maco: or any kde package for that matter, no sensible way around it that we could see when we looked at it [14:30] Riddell: i told the person complaining to go ahead and remove it since one of those lines is just a recommends [14:30] i wonder if itd be possible to tell your apt preferences file to not install recommends for a certain subset of packages [14:33] dear launchpad: please stop breaking [14:34] broken launchpad must mean it's time for lunch [14:34] lol [14:35] no, it's still in playground [14:35] debfx: and Debian haven't already packaged it? [14:36] they have, it's in NEW [14:36] then we should probably just wait for it to get into debian and sync it [14:37] yeah but it needs to be decided which one to use by default [14:57] so kcm-phonon-xine should be renamed when merging kdebase-runtime and kcm-touchpad might get removed (?) [14:59] debfx: we'll need to test synaptiks when it's in the archive and choose then [14:59] has debian renamed kcm-phonon-xine ? [15:02] Riddell: yes [15:03] not sure if it was ever called kcm-phonon-xine [15:03] Riddell: is synaptiks gona replace the current touchpad stuff? [15:06] agateau, pign [15:06] *ping :-) [15:06] rbelem: pogn! :) [15:07] http://vizzzion.org/blog/2010/05/blog-back-online/ [15:07] seriously... [15:07] agateau, i need some help with that ksambashare stuff [15:07] shtylman: 14:36 < Riddell> then we should probably just wait for it to get into debian and sync it [15:07] rbelem: shout [15:07] sebas: .... we need to talk about the network gui when you have a minute :) [15:08] shtylman: shoot :) [15:08] sebas: I am looking at your latest blog post about it... the traffic thing... is that always collecting data? [15:09] shtylman: did you read the corresponding blog entry? I'm explaining it there [15:09] I see that part... but once you show it... and don't hide it... does it still update? [15:09] or does it detect when the whole widget is hidden? [15:10] agateau, what do you think about change from kconfig to qsettings and use the registerFormat? [15:10] it still updates until you switch to the default view [15:10] once per second, so not a huge deal [15:10] sebas: i.e. when you never switch back to normal view but do minimize the whole plasmoid [15:10] for people that never uses, it won't eat cycles other than ctor [15:10] rbelem: no strong opinion on this, if it's simpler for you, go for it [15:11] shtylman: it keeps updating then (the popup dismisses automatically) [15:11] sebas: my concern is that when you hide the plasmoid... it should not be updating [15:11] that seemed like the best trade-off between usefulness and power consumption [15:11] agateau, cool! but i'm afraid of upstream reject it [15:11] shtylman: it won't be repainting, but data collection goes on [15:11] otherwise you get choppy data and that's not useful at all [15:12] as soon as you focus another window, it would stop updating [15:12] I see [15:12] graphicsview should know not to repaint though, and the data comes from a shared dataengine [15:12] followup question... does a normal user even care? [15:12] rbelem: better ask the upstream devs then, but I thought this was not maintained anymore? [15:12] about? [15:13] all this info? [15:13] according to our bugreports, yes [15:13] In KNM, this is all in the tooltip [15:13] in all reality I want the network stuff to be as minimalistic as possible right? more of a .. I see a network, I click it to connect.. and then I never care again... [15:13] it's not the default view, of course [15:13] rbelem: It would be a problem if you were using KConfig to read config, right now it is used as a handy tool to parse the output of "net share" [15:14] sebas: interesting... what type of users actually want this info? [15:14] rbelem: so I don't think switching to QStettings would be rejected if it's better this way [15:14] cause you have to consider that it might just be a corner case type of user filing such reports [15:14] I didn't do deeper research, but we did get specific feature requests to get at the IP and stuff [15:14] ip I can understand [15:15] but driver? mac? [15:15] agateau, cool! :-) i will follow this way then [15:15] I regularly use traffic monitoring myself, but I am definitely a corner case :) [15:15] ... just seems a bit much [15:15] sebas: I can understand the appeal of traffic monitoring [15:15] but I just think that if I wanted to do real traffic monitoring, I wouldn't be using this little plasmoid [15:16] it's a third level widget, I think it's OK to be a bit verbose for those that dig technical details there [15:16] I would either have a separate tool, or the network monitoring plasmoid [15:16] It doesn't get in the way, does it? [15:16] sebas: that is sorta the point I am trying to make... that there _shouldn't_ even be a third level widget [15:16] just starts to make interacting with the network plasmoid that more complex... imho [15:16] thanks agateau :-) [15:17] I am not saying to change it... but it is something to think about [15:17] I think of network as a set once and never touch [15:17] in that case, the plasmoid just sits in your panel and does its job [15:17] ideally it should be as passive and out of my way as possible... and my interaction with it should be very limited at best [15:17] it is [15:18] the details thing is very handy for support btw [15:18] no "please open konsole, type lsmod|grep iwl, type iwconfig, type ifconfig, ..." [15:18] that's one use case [15:18] and then the propellerheads of course :> [15:18] sebas: true, just want to be weary of any extra cycles... in startup as well as normal use :) one thing we are looking at for maverick is a much faster login process in general, which means not doing anything that doesn't have to be :) [15:18] hahaha [15:19] MAC us useful for mac filtered APs btw [15:19] and identifying wireless clients [15:19] sebas: how does this work with vertical panel layouts? ... asuming we care.. which we might not [15:19] sebas: why not just popup a dialog with this info? [15:20] it pops out from the vertical panel just like any other PopupApplet, kickoff for example [15:20] k [15:20] popups suck for limited screen space [15:20] it's the exact thing I wanted to get rid of, stacked popups [15:20] so do giant plasmoids :P [15:20] yes [15:20] with a popup at least the window manager can handle it if there are size issues and whatnot [15:21] This discussion is getting fuzzy, are there any sizing problems right now? [15:21] sebas: don't get me wrong... I think the plasmoid has gotten way better... I just want to make sure that the primary goal of just connecting to a network always stays teh focus and easy case :) [15:22] I don't think we changed anything about that [15:24] hi [15:24] I'm searching for articles about Kubuntu [15:25] It's for putting quotes on the new homepage [15:25] sebas: good stuff... will test it out tonight [15:26] shtylman: cool :) [15:26] so it is better if it comes from big and important websites [15:26] I might have fixed the crasher with the VPN thing then ;) [15:39] heh [15:39] oh yay... I can test vpn as well [15:39] once I get kde trunk running again [15:45] Riddell: Bug #582277 [15:45] Launchpad bug 582277 in kcm-gtk "Package should be renamed to kde-config-gtk" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/582277 [15:49] ooh debfx getting into the merges and updates mode === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [15:49] I'm still stuck on archive admin duty, don't let me forget it though [15:59] okay [16:12] Riddell: as you have acceped autopoint you can now sync kbuild (Bug #581366) :D [16:12] Launchpad bug 581366 in kbuild "Sync kbuild 1:0.1.98svn2318-6 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/581366 [16:14] hmm, debfx isn't a kubuntu-member, a job for the new council maybe.. [16:17] Riddell: can we get a sync of http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=4;bug=580718 when it gets approved or do i file a bug report seprately? [16:18] shadeslayer: if it gets into debian before DebianFreeze we'll get it automatically with the mass syncs [16:24] Riddell: get KDE firefox patches upstream <- are these the patches from suse you are referring to? [16:26] nixternal: yes [16:26] i thought firefox said they weren't going to accept the patches? [16:26] they don't want to maintain them [16:27] I haven't heard that, although it may well be the case, I just know when the guy from Mozilla said we could ship with them that the condition was to get them upstream [16:27] plus, i thought suse was already working on that anyways...why would we try to get their patches pushed upstream? [16:29] well quite, but it was my agreement with the mozilla guy [16:29] they were in a bug upstream so it may just need that checked for an update [16:30] gotcha [16:31] just trying to lookout for those who will say, "Kubuntu is trying to take the glory by pushing openSUSE's patches upstream" [16:31] is that a bad thing? >:-) [16:32] haha [16:35] sup [16:35] Where is the microblogging patch so I can take a look? [16:37] rgreening: oh btw in case you didnt notice,rekonq has a schedule now :P [16:37] Riddell: ^^ === verbalshadow_ is now known as verbalshadow [16:37] http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/rekonq/Schedule === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [16:37] shadeslayer: \o [16:37] Quintasan: :) [16:37] Quintasan: kubuntu_02_microblog_default_configuration.diff in kdeplasma-addons [16:38] Riddell: thanks [16:40] Riddell: lucid->maverick upgrade testing [16:40] ill take that up,no problem right? [16:40] I'll look into it a little bit later, English assignment goes first :P [16:41] shadeslayer: currently it's fiddly. you need to set up a web server and point your computer at it as changelogs.ubuntu.com with an updated meta-release file then test that lucid notifies correctly. I think there's a bug and kpackagekit doesn't show the new distro release name, that's what I'm worried about [16:41] shadeslayer: that means we can get 1.0 in if it doesn't slip at all [16:42] doesn't leave much room for error though [16:42] infact no, final freeze is a week before [16:42] hmm [16:42] Riddell: a bit off topic, how would you end a e-mail to a travel agency, I need something not *too* formal :P [16:43] Riddell: hmm seems a bit complex,ill get back to you about this after the exams,and btw i can only provide feedback and testing,no actual coding :P [16:44] Quintasan: 'Love always,' [16:44] Quintasan: if you want to hint that they should reply soon "I look forward to hearing from you, Quintasan" [16:44] Riddell: oh, I forgot about that :D [16:44] nixternal: lol [16:44] i end all emails with 'I look forward to hearing from you soon.' - yeah, soon, not next year [16:44] though i hardly hear back from them [16:44] :) [16:46] I wonder, WHY THE HELL AMAROK IS SOOOOOOOO SLOW [16:46] ARGH [16:46] * Quintasan is angry now [16:47] I just installed Clementine and it is fast like a Shikansen or something [16:47] :P [16:47] can't say I have any problems with Amarok's speed [16:48] Riddell: That's nice, how big is your music directory? :P [16:48] my music directory is huuuuuuuge [16:48] but i use a daapd server to host my music [16:48] much better than having it all local [16:49] * shadeslayer attaches voltage doubler to Quintasan's Amarok [16:49] Extra Powa! [16:49] Amarok is nice overall but hell, I have ~/Music is ~20GB of music files [16:50] If Clementine can do this crap blazingly fast then Amarok must be broken somewhere [16:50] :P [16:50] s/is/consists\ of/ [16:51] hmm still makes no sense [16:51] just 20? [16:51] just? [16:51] Quintasan: You do like your music dont you? :P [16:51] :D [16:51] s/just/only [16:51] shadeslayer: seems apachelogger has MOAR music [16:51] :P [16:51] Quintasan: because he has a bigger HD than you :P [16:52] hmm? [16:52] apachelogger was amaroker :P [16:52] shadeslayer: I still have 300GB of free space, enough for me [16:52] omg no mamarok! [16:52] omg omg [16:52] Even if I would install all my games I would still have about 200GB of free space [16:52] :P [16:52] Quintasan: hehe.. i have 1TB of free space :p [16:52] Nightrose: do you think 250 chesse francs will suffice? [16:53] eh [16:53] CHF [16:53] swiss francs [16:53] of course all of it is corrupted though xD [16:53] sorry :P [16:53] chesse? lol [16:53] apachelogger: i hope so [16:53] k [16:53] i didn't order more [16:53] ;-) [16:53] cheese francs... are those edible after exchanging 100 hands? [16:53] the bank didnt have moar ^^ [16:53] well, 20 more [16:53] but that is also like 3 euros, so wth :P [16:54] hehe [16:54] * apachelogger thinks about getting himself bad linen though [16:54] >implying 3 euros are not big money [16:54] apachelogger: give me 3 euros if you don't care :P [16:54] ^^ for apachelogger [16:55] dude, 3 euros is awesome loads of money [16:55] * Quintasan has -0,27 polish zloty on his account [16:55] just not in austria ^^ [16:55] * Quintasan is rich [16:55] like I will get 100 euros for my gsoc stuff [16:55] 100?! [16:55] do want [16:55] apachelogger: your project got approved? [16:56] It would be ~400 polish zloty [16:56] my stuff is always the best, dont you know [16:56] ScottK: do I need to do anything special to get debhelper to build scons? [16:56] apachelogger: project-neon [16:56] apachelogger: congrats :) [16:56] Quintasan: and like 150 cheese francs [16:56] eh [16:56] chf [16:56] * apachelogger thinks cheese francs is a much better name than swiss francs anyway [16:56] so [16:56] I have a basic rules file with %: dh $@ and it doesn't seem to be ever building [16:56] I got myself a haircut [16:56] and 250 cheese francs [16:56] and train tickets [16:56] ah, I need cheese francs [16:57] or billet how they say in cheese land [16:57] I still require a swiss transfer ticket though [16:57] apachelogger: when are you arriving? [16:57] apachelogger: uh... you do know that you can get the transfer ticket only outside of switzerland? [16:57] and that sending it to you takes at least 3 business days? [16:57] dude [16:57] lol [16:58] you can get that ticket at almost every freaking train station throughout europe :P [16:58] * Sput already had to pay express delivery fees because he forgot to order until last week [16:58] uh? you're sure of that? [16:58] yes [16:58] :DD [16:58] I could've saved 40 cheese francs that way! [16:58] oh my [16:58] * apachelogger hugs Sput [16:58] * Quintasan hands apachelogger a Trollface mask [16:58] I went to the website and it said you can only get it at that website [17:00] apachelogger: hint: you should put it on :P [17:01] Sput: it also said that you can obtain it at various partners [17:01] referenced a world long list of those [17:01] and specifically linked to the bahn.de page :P [17:01] oh my [17:02] so I paid the equivalent of a good steak too much :( [17:02] well, all that red meat is just going to make you die sooner, so you can make it up by working longer ^^ [17:03] lol [17:03] also you can tell people that you have so much money that you can throw 40 cheese francs out the windows [17:03] kubotu: order cookies for apachelogger [17:03] * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to apachelogger. [17:03] Quintasan with his -0,27 polish zloty would be happy to have that amount of money [17:04] kubotu: identica dent @apachelogger is trolling, run for your lives! [17:04] suppose, 40 cheese francs are like 6 euros, that is like a billion billion zloty or so [17:04] status updated [17:04] :3 [17:04] Sure, give me all of your money [17:04] hm [17:04] no manners [17:05] one says "please" [17:05] or plz [17:05] 6 Euros = 24.2982607 Polish zloty [17:05]