[02:41] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Ping
[02:41] <DaSkreech>  :)
[03:46] <nixternal> DaSkreech: pong
[03:46] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Dude what's up? :)
[03:47] <nixternal> same ol' shit same damn day, at least for 2 hours and 13 minutes
[03:59] <DaSkreech> :-)
[04:00] <DaSkreech> nixternal: How do I get messages at startup with Plymouth?
[04:03] <nixternal> disable plymouth :p
[04:03] <DaSkreech> ha ha
[04:04] <nixternal> i thought the code was in the script we use for plymouth...actually it is, because i see the fsck messages
[04:06] <crimsun> boot without splash and quiet
[04:25] <DaSkreech> nixternal: on the splash screen?
[04:25] <DaSkreech> crimsun: :)
[04:34] <ScottK> IIRC it's something like splash=false for plymouth
[04:34] <ScottK> However the text mode stuff was not heavily tested during the development cycle.
[04:39] <DaSkreech> yes
[04:54] <JontheEchidna> bug 582052 is interesting
[04:54] <JontheEchidna> Lucky I was doing a non-pbuilder build of akonadi, or else it wouldn't have been caught
[04:55] <JontheEchidna> Especially since by looking at debian/changelog, I can use pbuilder again since we're no longer doing hard links in the packaging
[04:55] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: dunno if you're interested^
[04:55] <nixternal> what all is apachelogger doing for his gsoc and u1 again?
[04:56] <nixternal> I was just looking through all of the u1 libs, seeing what would need to be done for a u1 music store plugins for amarok...holy hell
[04:56] <nixternal> you could always just use qtscript and screenscape :D
[04:56] <JontheEchidna> lol
[04:57] <nixternal> yeah, qtscript won't work for a u1 music store setup I don't think
[04:57] <nixternal> u1 music store has my music and pretty much cheaper than anywhere else i can get it too
[04:57] <nixternal> not cheaper than pb of course
[04:58] <JontheEchidna> yarr
[04:58] <JontheEchidna> akonadi uploaded. If anybody's crazy enough to be running maverick (like me) and notices a broken akonadi, just ping me. nighty night.
[04:58] <nixternal> g'nite
[04:58] <nixternal> been running maverick for 3 days now :D
[04:58] <JontheEchidna> :D
[04:58] <nixternal> well, it hasn't been running, but i updated my one machine to it
[04:58] <nixternal> kernel killed it...haven't messed around with it since
[04:59] <JontheEchidna> I updated before UDS, brought my laptop to UDS, then upgraded 100+ packages with the test applet for an unreleased version of libqapt :D
[04:59] <JontheEchidna> and it still worked \o/
[05:00] <JontheEchidna> g'nite
[05:11] <DaSkreech> night
[08:06] <valorie> ofirk: on http://violetech.org/kubuntu-website-screenshot-download-page.png
[08:07] <valorie> first line, second sentence: whatever SUITS you, not suites you
[08:07] <valorie> nice page, btw
[08:14] <ofirk> valorie: thanks :)
[08:22] <valorie> :-)
[09:29] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: whate are we doing if not hard links?
[09:31] <apachelogger> oh
[09:31] <apachelogger> eh
[09:31] <apachelogger> generally
[09:32] <apachelogger> it would have been very wise to merge pkg-kde-tools before anything else
[11:41] <ryanakca> valorie: [repeat from a couple of weeks ago] if you still want those stickers, email me your postal address, myIRCnick@kubuntu.org
[11:44] <amichair> what happened to #kubuntu-netbook ?
[11:45] <Riddell> netbook went mainstream
[11:46] <amichair> Riddell: meaning it has no separate discussion channel any more?
[11:50] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: waiting for a new dpkg, otherwise I'd have uploaded a merged pkg-kde-tools
[11:52] <Riddell> amichair: right
[11:52] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: do you know what part of pkg-kde-tools needs the new dpkg?
[11:53] <amichair> ok, I'll try my luck in the support channel... is it me or has it become less supportive in the past month or two?
[11:53] <amichair> lots of questions, very few answers
[11:54] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, it is generally a bit of a dangerous thing to do, to merge a stack that relies on a new set of build magic that is not merged ^^
[11:55] <apachelogger> + it needs a merge anyway for the l10n magic
[11:55] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: Well, except that it doesn't rely on it yet. Core KDE still only needs 0.6.4
[11:55] <JontheEchidna> and If we dont' do it now we're going to find ourselves needing to package 4.5 beta very soon
[11:57] <apachelogger> a build-dep bump might not imply a change within the build magic that a package relies on (since one might not notice)
[12:04] <JontheEchidna> so far none have
[12:05] <JontheEchidna> which is not to say the new automatic symbols stuff wouldn't be a nice convenience, but it's not required
[12:06] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the kind of issues I am afraid of are those that not get noticed for 3 months
[12:07] <Riddell> we should work out what in pkg-kde-tools needs the new dpkg and just disable that bit until dpkg catches up
[12:07] <Riddell> we've done that before
[12:07] <Riddell> ScottK: were there any notes taken from the kubuntu-maverick-updates session?
[12:09] <JontheEchidna> dpkg-perl api changes in dh_sameversiondep. Some compat code for older dpkg versions were also removed
[12:12] <JontheEchidna> So I've reverted the relevant dh_sameversiondep change now.
[12:18] <JontheEchidna> apparently chromium doesn't like me pasting 10,000 lines of text in a textbox
[12:18] <Riddell> holy guacamole that's a lot of new packages from kde4libs
[12:21] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: Would you like to merge the l10n stuff in pkg-kde-tools? http://filebin.ca/uwazq/debian-to-merged.diff.zip
[12:22] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo added, a sea of potentiality!
[12:22] <JontheEchidna> woohoo!
[12:22] <JontheEchidna> bb;
[12:22] <JontheEchidna> *bbl
[12:22] <apachelogger> whats there to merge?
[12:22] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: you say in the packaging that there is stuff that needs merged from kde svn each cycle, and that we should log it
[12:22] <apachelogger> oh
[12:22] <apachelogger> findfiles
[12:23] <apachelogger> for the other stuff you can use the target in debian/rules
[12:23] <JontheEchidna> I have to go now. I'll be back around lunchtime
[12:23]  * apachelogger is half-way out the door ^^
[12:29]  * Riddell twiddles thumbs while the command to move 1000 new kde4libs packages into main is run
[12:32] <jussi> kripes!
[12:33] <Riddell> still going..
[12:39] <Riddell> accepted
[13:06] <txwikinger2> Nice work with the todo list Riddell
[13:07] <txwikinger2> When is maverick toolchain coming out?
[13:07] <txwikinger2> I guess we merge on lucid until then?
[13:07] <Riddell> txwikinger2: maverick toolchain is done
[13:07] <txwikinger> ah.. how do I update
[13:07] <Riddell> I don't know if debootstrap is updated or not for chroot making
[13:08] <txwikinger> I think do-release-update -d does not work yet
[13:08] <Riddell> don't look like debootstrap is updated :(
[13:11] <Riddell> maybe that's your first task then :)
[13:12] <txwikinger> Riddell: hehe
[13:20] <ScottK> Riddell: I don't know. I was too busy talking (kubuntu-maverick-updates).  I can write something up though.
[13:21] <Riddell> ScottK: I thought we did take notes but I could be wrong, can't see them in gobby anyway.  adding items to the Todo wiki page is probably most useful
[13:26] <Riddell> debfx: ping
[13:26] <ScottK> IS lost some stuff, so maybe that was one of them.
[13:26] <ScottK> I'll be offline today, so not before tomorrow.
[13:26] <Riddell> debfx: the autopoint package is missing a binary
[13:26] <debfx> Riddell: autopoint?
[13:27] <Riddell> debfx: you did the gettext merge?
[13:28] <Riddell> hmm, nothing in Debian's package either http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/autopoint/filelist
[13:28] <Riddell> oh well, Debian bug, accepting
[13:28] <debfx> Riddell: yeah, I misread your question
[13:29] <debfx> it's empty until all packages that need it build-depend on autopoint
[13:29] <Riddell> sounds strange but I trust you :)
[13:31] <debfx> currently the autopoint script is in gettext and gettext only recommends autopoint
[13:35] <agateau> Riddell: do you know if someone has already packaged this: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/05/minitunes-ubuntu-makes-music-look-good.html ?
[13:39] <Riddell> agateau: nothing at https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/minitunes
[13:39] <agateau> Riddell: oh, so that's how one checks :)
[13:39] <agateau> Riddell: ok thanks
[13:42] <Riddell> I don't know how to search PPAs though
[13:43] <agateau> ok
[13:43] <Riddell> if it's in the ubuntu archive the page has a handy PPA search at the bottom but not if the package isn't in the archive
[13:44] <debfx> Riddell: if there were a PPA package that page would exist
[13:45] <Riddell> really?
[13:45] <debfx> yeah
[14:06] <rbelem> morning
[14:06] <Riddell> hi rbelem 
[14:07] <rbelem> :-)
[14:22] <debfx> there were some posts about the naming convention of kcm packages on kubuntu-devel a few month ago
[14:23] <debfx> has anything been decided on that?
[14:23] <debfx> Debian uses kde-config- instead of kcm-
[14:24] <Riddell> follow debian is probably a good idea
[14:24] <maco> so apparently if you install python-kde4 on a gnome desktop, you end up with akonadi tray and all sorts of stuff installed
[14:26] <maco> i   python-kde4            Depends    kdebase-runtime (>= 4:4.4.2)
[14:26] <maco> i A kdebase-runtime        Recommends kubuntu-debug-installer
[14:26] <maco> i A kubuntu-debug-installe Depends    kpackagekit
[14:26] <maco> r
[14:26] <maco> i A kpackagekit            Depends    kdebase-workspace-bin
[14:26] <maco> i A kdebase-workspace-bin  Depends    plasma-widgets-workspace (= 4:4.4.2-0ubunt
[14:26] <maco>                                       u14)
[14:26] <maco> i A plasma-widgets-workspa Depends    kdepim-runtime
[14:28] <debfx> has the synaptiks kcm been discussed on UDS (it's not on the todo list)?
[14:29] <Riddell> debfx: no we didn't, and I'm not sure what the status is with respect to upstream (wasn't it due to go into kdeutils?)
[14:29] <Riddell> maco: or any kde package for that matter, no sensible way around it that we could see when we looked at it
[14:30] <maco> Riddell: i told the person complaining to go ahead and remove it since one of those lines is just a recommends
[14:30] <maco> i wonder if itd be possible to tell your apt preferences file to not install recommends for a certain subset of packages
[14:33] <Riddell> dear launchpad: please stop breaking
[14:34] <Riddell> broken launchpad must mean it's time for lunch
[14:34] <nigelb> lol
[14:35] <debfx> no, it's still in playground
[14:35] <Riddell> debfx: and Debian haven't already packaged it?
[14:36] <debfx> they have, it's in NEW
[14:36] <Riddell> then we should probably just wait for it to get into debian and sync it
[14:37] <debfx> yeah but it needs to be decided which one to use by default
[14:57] <debfx> so kcm-phonon-xine should be renamed when merging kdebase-runtime and kcm-touchpad might get removed (?)
[14:59] <Riddell> debfx: we'll need to test synaptiks when it's in the archive and choose then
[14:59] <Riddell> has debian renamed kcm-phonon-xine ?
[15:02] <debfx> Riddell: yes
[15:03] <debfx> not sure if it was ever called kcm-phonon-xine
[15:03] <shtylman> Riddell: is synaptiks gona replace the current touchpad stuff?
[15:06] <rbelem> agateau, pign
[15:06] <rbelem> *ping :-)
[15:06] <agateau> rbelem: pogn! :)
[15:07] <shtylman> http://vizzzion.org/blog/2010/05/blog-back-online/
[15:07] <shtylman> seriously...
[15:07] <rbelem> agateau, i need some help with that ksambashare stuff
[15:07] <Riddell> shtylman: 14:36 < Riddell> then we should probably just wait for it to get into debian and sync it
[15:07] <agateau> rbelem: shout
[15:07] <shtylman> sebas: .... we need to talk about the network gui when you have a minute :)
[15:08] <sebas> shtylman: shoot :)
[15:08] <shtylman> sebas: I am looking at your latest blog post about it... the traffic thing... is that always collecting data?
[15:09] <sebas> shtylman: did you read the corresponding blog entry? I'm explaining it there
[15:09] <shtylman> I see that part... but once you show it... and don't hide it... does it still update?
[15:09] <shtylman> or does it detect when the whole widget is hidden?
[15:10] <rbelem> agateau, what do you think about change from kconfig to qsettings and use the registerFormat?
[15:10] <sebas> it still updates until you switch to the default view
[15:10] <sebas> once per second, so not a huge deal
[15:10] <shtylman> sebas: i.e. when you never switch back to normal view but do minimize the whole plasmoid
[15:10] <sebas> for people that never uses, it won't eat cycles other than ctor
[15:10] <agateau> rbelem: no strong opinion on this, if it's simpler for you, go for it
[15:11] <sebas> shtylman: it keeps updating then (the popup dismisses automatically)
[15:11] <shtylman> sebas: my concern is that when you hide the plasmoid... it should not be updating
[15:11] <sebas> that seemed like the best trade-off between usefulness and power consumption
[15:11] <rbelem> agateau, cool! but i'm afraid of upstream reject it
[15:11] <sebas> shtylman: it won't be repainting, but data collection goes on
[15:11] <sebas> otherwise you get choppy data and that's not useful at all
[15:12] <sebas> as soon as you focus another window, it would stop updating
[15:12] <shtylman> I see
[15:12] <sebas> graphicsview should know not to repaint though, and the data comes from a shared dataengine
[15:12] <shtylman> followup question... does a normal user even care?
[15:12] <agateau> rbelem: better ask the upstream devs then, but I thought this was not maintained anymore?
[15:12] <sebas> about?
[15:13] <shtylman> all this info?
[15:13] <sebas> according to our bugreports, yes
[15:13] <sebas> In KNM, this is all in the tooltip
[15:13] <shtylman> in all reality I want the network stuff to be as minimalistic as possible right? more of a .. I see a network, I click it to connect.. and then I never care again...
[15:13] <sebas> it's not the default view, of course
[15:13] <agateau> rbelem: It would be a problem if you were using KConfig to read config, right now it is used as a handy tool to parse the output of "net share"
[15:14] <shtylman> sebas: interesting... what type of users actually want this info?
[15:14] <agateau> rbelem: so I don't think switching to QStettings would be rejected if it's better this way
[15:14] <shtylman> cause you have to consider that it might just be a corner case type of user filing such reports
[15:14] <sebas> I didn't do deeper research, but we did get specific feature requests to get at the IP and stuff
[15:14] <shtylman> ip I can understand
[15:15] <shtylman> but driver? mac?
[15:15] <rbelem> agateau, cool! :-) i will follow this way then
[15:15] <sebas> I regularly use traffic monitoring myself, but I am definitely a corner case :)
[15:15] <shtylman> ... just seems a bit much
[15:15] <shtylman> sebas: I can understand the appeal of traffic monitoring
[15:15] <shtylman> but I just think that if I wanted to do real traffic monitoring, I wouldn't be using this little plasmoid
[15:16] <sebas> it's a third level widget, I think it's OK to be a bit verbose for those that dig technical details there
[15:16] <shtylman> I would either have a separate tool, or the network monitoring plasmoid
[15:16] <sebas> It doesn't get in the way, does it?
[15:16] <shtylman> sebas: that is sorta the point I am trying to make... that there _shouldn't_ even be a third level widget
[15:16] <shtylman> just starts to make interacting with the network plasmoid that more complex... imho
[15:16] <rbelem> thanks agateau :-)
[15:17] <shtylman> I am not saying to change it... but it is something to think about
[15:17] <shtylman> I think of network as a set once and never touch
[15:17] <sebas> in that case, the plasmoid just sits in your panel and does its job
[15:17] <shtylman> ideally it should be as passive and out of my way as possible... and my interaction with it should be very limited at best
[15:17] <sebas> it is
[15:18] <sebas> the details thing is very handy for support btw
[15:18] <sebas> no "please open konsole, type lsmod|grep iwl, type iwconfig, type ifconfig, ..."
[15:18] <sebas> that's one use case
[15:18] <sebas> and then the propellerheads of course :>
[15:18] <shtylman> sebas: true, just want to be weary of any extra cycles... in startup as well as normal use :) one thing we are looking at for maverick is a much faster login process in general, which means not doing anything that doesn't have to be :)
[15:18] <shtylman> hahaha
[15:19] <sebas> MAC us useful for mac filtered APs btw
[15:19] <sebas> and identifying wireless clients
[15:19] <shtylman> sebas: how does this work with vertical panel layouts? ... asuming we care.. which we might not
[15:19] <shtylman> sebas: why not just popup a dialog with this info?
[15:20] <sebas> it pops out from the vertical panel just like any other PopupApplet, kickoff for example
[15:20] <shtylman> k
[15:20] <sebas> popups suck for limited screen space
[15:20] <sebas> it's the exact thing I wanted to get rid of, stacked popups
[15:20] <shtylman> so do giant plasmoids :P
[15:20] <sebas> yes
[15:20] <shtylman> with a popup at least the window manager can handle it if there are size issues and whatnot
[15:21] <sebas> This discussion is getting fuzzy, are there any sizing problems right now?
[15:21] <shtylman> sebas: don't get me wrong... I think the plasmoid has gotten way better... I just want to make sure that the primary goal of just connecting to a network always stays teh focus and easy case :)
[15:22] <sebas> I don't think we changed anything about that
[15:24] <ofirk> hi
[15:24] <ofirk> I'm searching for articles about Kubuntu
[15:25] <ofirk> It's for putting quotes on the new homepage
[15:25] <shtylman> sebas: good stuff... will test it out tonight
[15:26] <sebas> shtylman: cool :)
[15:26] <ofirk> so it is better if it comes from big and important websites
[15:26] <sebas> I might have fixed the crasher with the VPN thing then ;)
[15:39] <shtylman> heh
[15:39] <shtylman> oh yay... I can test vpn as well
[15:39] <shtylman> once I get kde trunk running again
[15:45] <debfx> Riddell: Bug #582277
[15:49] <Riddell> ooh debfx getting into the merges and updates mode 
[15:49] <Riddell> I'm still stuck on archive admin duty, don't let me forget it though
[15:59] <debfx> okay
[16:12] <debfx> Riddell: as you have acceped autopoint you can now sync kbuild (Bug #581366) :D
[16:14] <Riddell> hmm, debfx isn't a kubuntu-member, a job for the new council maybe..
[16:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can we get a sync of http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=4;bug=580718  when it gets approved or do i file a bug report seprately?
[16:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: if it gets into debian before DebianFreeze we'll get it automatically with the mass syncs
[16:24] <nixternal> Riddell: get KDE firefox patches upstream  <- are these the patches from suse you are referring to?
[16:26] <Riddell> nixternal: yes
[16:26] <nixternal> i thought firefox said they weren't going to accept the patches?
[16:26] <nixternal> they don't want to maintain them
[16:27] <Riddell> I haven't heard that, although it may well be the case, I just know when the guy from Mozilla said we could ship with them that the condition was to get them upstream
[16:27] <nixternal> plus, i thought suse was already working on that anyways...why would we try to get their patches pushed upstream?
[16:29] <Riddell> well quite, but it was my agreement with the mozilla guy
[16:29] <Riddell> they were in a bug upstream so it may just need that checked for an update
[16:30] <nixternal> gotcha
[16:31] <nixternal> just trying to lookout for those who will say, "Kubuntu is trying to take the glory by pushing openSUSE's patches upstream"
[16:31] <Riddell> is that a bad thing? >:-)
[16:32] <nixternal> haha
[16:35] <Quintasan> sup
[16:35] <Quintasan> Where is the microblogging patch so I can take a look?
[16:37] <shadeslayer> rgreening: oh btw in case you didnt notice,rekonq has a schedule now :P
[16:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^
[16:37] <shadeslayer> http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/rekonq/Schedule
[16:37] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: \o
[16:37] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: :)
[16:37] <Riddell> Quintasan: kubuntu_02_microblog_default_configuration.diff in kdeplasma-addons
[16:38] <Quintasan> Riddell: thanks
[16:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: lucid->maverick upgrade testing
[16:40] <shadeslayer> ill take that up,no problem right?
[16:40] <Quintasan> I'll look into it a little bit later, English assignment goes first :P
[16:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: currently it's fiddly.  you need to set up a web server and point your computer at it as changelogs.ubuntu.com with an updated meta-release file then test that lucid notifies correctly.  I think there's a bug and kpackagekit doesn't show the new distro release name, that's what I'm worried about
[16:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: that means we can get 1.0 in if it doesn't slip at all
[16:42] <Riddell> doesn't leave much room for error though
[16:42] <Riddell> infact no, final freeze is a week before
[16:42] <Riddell> hmm
[16:42] <Quintasan> Riddell: a bit off topic, how would you end a e-mail to a travel agency, I need something not *too* formal :P
[16:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hmm seems a bit complex,ill get back to you about this after the exams,and btw i can only provide feedback and testing,no actual coding :P
[16:44] <nixternal> Quintasan: 'Love always,'
[16:44] <Riddell> Quintasan: if you want to hint that they should reply soon "I look forward to hearing from you, Quintasan"
[16:44] <Quintasan> Riddell: oh, I forgot about that :D
[16:44] <Quintasan> nixternal: lol
[16:44] <nixternal> i end all emails with 'I look forward to hearing from you soon.' - yeah, soon, not next year 
[16:44] <nixternal> though i hardly hear back from them
[16:44] <nixternal> :)
[16:46] <Quintasan> I wonder, WHY THE HELL AMAROK IS SOOOOOOOO SLOW
[16:46] <Quintasan> ARGH
[16:46]  * Quintasan is angry now
[16:47] <Quintasan> I just installed Clementine and it is fast like a Shikansen or something
[16:47] <Quintasan> :P
[16:47] <Riddell> can't say I have any problems with Amarok's speed
[16:48] <Quintasan> Riddell: That's nice, how big is your music directory? :P
[16:48] <nixternal> my music directory is huuuuuuuge
[16:48] <nixternal> but i use a daapd server to host my music
[16:48] <nixternal> much better than having it all local
[16:49]  * shadeslayer attaches voltage doubler to Quintasan's Amarok
[16:49] <shadeslayer> Extra Powa!
[16:49] <Quintasan> Amarok is nice overall but hell, I have ~/Music is ~20GB of music files
[16:50] <Quintasan> If Clementine can do this crap blazingly fast then Amarok must be broken somewhere
[16:50] <Quintasan> :P
[16:50] <Quintasan> s/is/consists\ of/
[16:51] <Quintasan> hmm still makes no sense
[16:51] <apachelogger> just 20?
[16:51] <Quintasan> just?
[16:51] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: You do like your music dont you? :P
[16:51] <Quintasan> :D
[16:51] <apachelogger> s/just/only
[16:51] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: seems apachelogger has MOAR music
[16:51] <Quintasan> :P
[16:51] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: because he has a bigger HD than you :P
[16:52] <Quintasan> hmm?
[16:52] <apachelogger> apachelogger was amaroker :P
[16:52] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I still have 300GB of free space, enough for me
[16:52] <apachelogger> omg no mamarok!
[16:52] <apachelogger> omg omg
[16:52] <Quintasan> Even if I would install all my games I would still have about 200GB of free space
[16:52] <Quintasan> :P
[16:52] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: hehe.. i have 1TB of free space :p
[16:52] <apachelogger> Nightrose: do you think 250 chesse francs will suffice?
[16:53] <apachelogger> eh
[16:53] <apachelogger> CHF
[16:53] <apachelogger> swiss francs
[16:53] <shadeslayer> of course all of it is corrupted though xD
[16:53] <apachelogger> sorry :P
[16:53] <Quintasan> chesse? lol
[16:53] <Nightrose> apachelogger: i hope so 
[16:53] <apachelogger> k
[16:53] <Nightrose> i didn't order more
[16:53] <Nightrose> ;-)
[16:53] <shadeslayer> cheese francs... are those edible after exchanging 100 hands?
[16:53] <apachelogger> the bank didnt have moar ^^
[16:53] <apachelogger> well, 20 more
[16:53] <apachelogger> but that is also like 3 euros, so wth :P
[16:54] <Nightrose> hehe
[16:54]  * apachelogger thinks about getting himself bad linen though
[16:54] <Quintasan> >implying 3 euros are not big money
[16:54] <Quintasan> apachelogger: give me 3 euros if you don't care :P
[16:54] <shadeslayer> ^^ for apachelogger 
[16:55] <apachelogger> dude, 3 euros is awesome loads of money
[16:55]  * Quintasan has -0,27 polish zloty on his account
[16:55] <apachelogger> just not in austria ^^
[16:55]  * Quintasan is rich
[16:55] <apachelogger> like I will get 100 euros for my gsoc stuff
[16:55] <Quintasan> 100?!
[16:55] <Quintasan> do want
[16:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: your project got approved?
[16:56] <Quintasan> It would be ~400 polish zloty
[16:56] <apachelogger> my stuff is always the best, dont you know
[16:56] <shtylman> ScottK: do I need to do anything special to get debhelper to build scons?
[16:56] <Quintasan> apachelogger: project-neon
[16:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: congrats :)
[16:56] <apachelogger> Quintasan: and like 150 cheese francs
[16:56] <apachelogger> eh
[16:56] <apachelogger> chf
[16:56]  * apachelogger thinks cheese francs is a much better name than swiss francs anyway
[16:56] <apachelogger> so
[16:56] <shtylman> I have a basic rules file with %: dh $@ and it doesn't seem to be ever building
[16:56] <apachelogger> I got myself a haircut
[16:56] <apachelogger> and 250 cheese francs
[16:56] <apachelogger> and train tickets
[16:56] <Sput> ah, I need cheese francs
[16:57] <apachelogger> or billet how they say in cheese land
[16:57] <apachelogger> I still require a swiss transfer ticket though
[16:57] <Sput> apachelogger: when are you arriving?
[16:57] <Sput> apachelogger: uh... you do know that you can get the transfer ticket only outside of switzerland?
[16:57] <Sput> and that sending it to you takes at least 3 business days?
[16:57] <apachelogger> dude
[16:57] <Quintasan> lol
[16:58] <apachelogger> you can get that ticket at almost every freaking train station throughout europe :P
[16:58]  * Sput already had to pay express delivery fees because he forgot to order until last week
[16:58] <Sput> uh? you're sure of that?
[16:58] <apachelogger> yes
[16:58] <Quintasan> :DD
[16:58] <Sput> I could've saved 40 cheese francs that way!
[16:58] <apachelogger> oh my
[16:58]  * apachelogger hugs Sput
[16:58]  * Quintasan hands apachelogger a Trollface mask
[16:58] <Sput> I went to the website and it said you can only get it at that website
[17:00] <Quintasan> apachelogger: hint: you should put it on :P
[17:01] <apachelogger> Sput: it also said that you can obtain it at various partners
[17:01] <apachelogger> referenced a world long list of those
[17:01] <apachelogger> and specifically linked to the bahn.de page :P
[17:01] <Sput> oh my
[17:02] <Sput> so I paid the equivalent of a good steak too much :(
[17:02] <apachelogger> well, all that red meat is just going to make you die sooner, so you can make it up by working longer ^^
[17:03] <Quintasan> lol
[17:03] <apachelogger> also you can tell people that you have so much money that you can throw 40 cheese francs out the windows
[17:03] <Quintasan> kubotu: order cookies for apachelogger
[17:03]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to apachelogger.
[17:03] <apachelogger> Quintasan with his -0,27 polish zloty would be happy to have that amount of money
[17:04] <Quintasan> kubotu: identica dent @apachelogger is trolling, run for your lives!
[17:04] <apachelogger> suppose, 40 cheese francs are like 6 euros, that is like a billion billion zloty or so
[17:04] <kubotu> status updated
[17:04] <Quintasan> :3
[17:04] <Quintasan> Sure, give me all of your money
[17:04] <apachelogger> hm
[17:04] <apachelogger> no manners
[17:05] <apachelogger> one says "please"
[17:05] <apachelogger> or plz
[17:05] <Quintasan> 6 Euros = 24.2982607 Polish zloty
[17:05] <apachelogger> ohm
[17:05] <apachelogger> that sounds off
[17:05] <Quintasan> apachelogger: money plz
[17:06] <Quintasan> :P
[17:06] <apachelogger> 6 euros are like a trillion billion dollars
[17:06] <Quintasan> 6 Euros = 7.6194 U.S. dollars
[17:06] <apachelogger> oh wellz
[17:06] <Quintasan> :S
[17:06] <apachelogger> yeah
[17:06] <apachelogger> still too bad
[17:06]  * apachelogger must work on making the euro less worth, so his soc payments becomes worth more
[17:06] <apachelogger> muhahahaha
[17:07] <apachelogger> anyhow
[17:07]  * apachelogger should go to the train station and get his swiss transfer ticket
[17:07] <apachelogger> and supper
[17:08] <Quintasan> 6 Euros = 704 yen <---- if you want hundreds :P
[17:09] <apachelogger>  see
[17:09] <apachelogger> those people know how to do business
[17:09] <Quintasan> apachelogger: You won't even get a good ramen for 700 yen AFAIK
[17:09] <apachelogger> to control once economy you must let the money loose value
[17:09] <Quintasan> But I'm not sure :P
[17:10] <apachelogger> well
[17:10] <apachelogger> you are Quintasan
[17:10] <apachelogger> ...
[17:10] <Quintasan> ...
[17:11] <Quintasan> baaaad joke is baaaad
[17:11] <Quintasan> :P
[17:11] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://imagebin.ca/view/udWS_9nK.html
[17:11]  * apachelogger hides his cheese francs in his left sock so no one can steal them from him
[17:12] <apachelogger> Quintasan: see
[17:12] <apachelogger> that happens when you use svn
[17:12] <Quintasan> mmkay, problem SVN?
[17:13] <Quintasan> Isn't KDE using SVN?
[17:13] <Quintasan> :D
[17:13] <apachelogger> yes they are
[17:13] <apachelogger> god knows why
[17:13] <apachelogger> then again they also used CVS
[17:13] <Quintasan> The devs must have a hard time raging all the time
[17:13] <apachelogger> back in those days
[17:13] <apachelogger> uhhh
[17:13] <apachelogger> it was horrible
[17:13] <apachelogger> horrible I tell you
[17:13] <apachelogger> HORRIBLE
[17:13] <bladernr_> question about Kubuntu... in Ubuntu, the app gnome-open is the CLI equivalent of double clicking on a file's icon in Nautilus and opens the file w/ the default app for that MIME type.  Is there something similar in the KDE world?
[17:13] <apachelogger> there
[17:13] <Quintasan> CVS? I only heard of it but I reckon it was utter crap
[17:13] <apachelogger> I will have bad treams tonight
[17:13] <apachelogger> bladernr_: kde-open
[17:14] <apachelogger> bladernr_: or xdg-open
[17:14] <apachelogger> which on that point works in both gnome and kde
[17:14] <apachelogger> thus is superior to both -open
[17:14] <apachelogger> Quintasan: that is an understatement right there
[17:14] <bladernr_> apachelogger:  ahhh... cool. You just saved me a lot of head banging against desk :-)
[17:14] <Quintasan> apachelogger: even worse?!
[17:14] <apachelogger> bladernr_: desktops are not made for banging the head against, they are made for putting nice plasma widgets onto them ;)
[17:15] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I can not even find words for how bad cvs really is
[17:15] <bladernr_> apachelogger:  depends on the desktop ;-) I guess if you have a ToughBook it works either way
[17:15]  * bladernr_ does NOT have a hardened system though
[17:15] <Quintasan> bladernr_: :D
[17:16] <apachelogger> oh, that is a good point indeed
[17:16] <apachelogger> probably costs a fortune too
[17:16] <Quintasan> Hardened Linux - now you can bang your head against your desktop
[17:17] <Quintasan> * Features: skull crusher
[17:17] <Quintasan> :P
[17:18] <Quintasan> also online highscore list so you can compete with your friends
[17:18] <apachelogger> oh dear
[17:19] <apachelogger> Nightrose: do you have a list of stuff to pack?
[17:19]  * apachelogger never knows what to take with him
[17:19] <apachelogger> ALSO
[17:19] <apachelogger> most important
[17:19] <apachelogger> !
[17:19] <apachelogger> who takes the uno cards with them?
[17:19] <Quintasan> uno?
[17:19] <apachelogger> !unfo
[17:20] <apachelogger> ~unfo
[17:20] <apachelogger> ~uno
[17:20] <kubotu> Ok, created UNO! game on #kubuntu-devel, say 'jo' to join in
[17:20] <apachelogger> UNO
[17:20] <apachelogger> oh
[17:20] <apachelogger> bonkers
[17:20] <Quintasan> jo
[17:20] <kubotu> Quintasan joins this game of UNO!
[17:20] <apachelogger> ~uno stop
[17:20] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help uno'
[17:20] <apachelogger> hem
[17:20] <apachelogger> ~help uno admin
[17:20] <kubotu> The game manager (the user that started the game) can execute the following commands to manage it: 'uno drop <user>' to drop a user from the game (any user can drop itself using 'uno drop'); 'uno replace <old> [with] <new>' to replace a player with someone else (useful in case of disconnects); 'uno transfer [to] <nick>' to transfer game ownership to someone else; 'uno end' to end the game before its natural completion
[17:20] <jjesse> jo
[17:20] <kubotu> jjesse joins this game of UNO!
[17:20] <kubotu> game will start in 20 seconds
[17:20] <apachelogger> uno end
[17:20] <Riddell> ...?
[17:20] <apachelogger> ~uno end
[17:20] <kubotu> UNO! game halted before it could start
[17:20] <kubotu> Quintasan still had  Blue 2   Blue 5   Blue 6   Green 2   Red 4   Wild +4   Yellow 8 
[17:20] <kubotu> jjesse still had  Blue 8   Blue Skip   Green 6   Green 9   Green Skip   Red 4   Yellow 6 
[17:20] <apachelogger> jesus
[17:20] <debfx> oh noes, who enabled colors? ;D
[17:20] <Quintasan> lol
[17:20] <jjesse> awesome love the colors
[17:20] <kubotu> UNO! playing turn: Quintasan jjesse
[17:20] <kubotu> Quintasan deals the first card from the stock
[17:20] <kubotu> Current discard:  Green Skip  
[17:20] <kubotu> jjesse skips a turn!
[17:20] <apachelogger> playing in #kubuntu-playtime !!!
[17:20] <kubotu> it's Quintasan's turn
[17:21] <apachelogger> hm
[17:21] <apachelogger> there is a bug
[17:21] <apachelogger> kubotu: restart
[17:21] <kubotu> apachelogger, you don't have 'basics::quit::restart' permissions here
[17:21] <apachelogger> Oo
[17:21] <Quintasan> :D
[17:21] <apachelogger> now that is interesting
[17:21] <apachelogger> kubotu: who am i
[17:21] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help who'
[17:21] <Quintasan> the kubotu finally rebelled !
[17:21] <apachelogger> hm
[17:21] <apachelogger> kubotu: whoami
[17:21] <kubotu> you are *apachelogger_617800948
[17:21] <apachelogger> omg!
[17:21] <apachelogger> I shall be your master!
[17:21] <jjesse> kubotu: whoami
[17:21] <kubotu> you are *jjesse_616925008
[17:22] <Quintasan> kubotu: kick apachelogger
[17:22] <kubotu> Quintasan, you don't have 'bans::act::kick' permissions here
[17:22] <Quintasan> :<
[17:22] <apachelogger> kubotu: restart
[17:22] <apachelogger> there we go
[17:22] <apachelogger> ...
[17:22] <apachelogger> there I go
[17:22] <apachelogger> off to buying the cheese transfer billet and getting super
[17:22] <apachelogger> o/
[17:22] <Quintasan> kubotu: kick apachelogger\
[17:22] <Quintasan> apachelogger: \o
[17:22] <apachelogger> ohm
[17:22] <apachelogger> ohmmmmm
[17:22] <kubotu> Quintasan, you don't have 'bans::act::kick' permissions here
[17:23]  * Quintasan hides
[17:23] <apachelogger> lalala :P
[17:23] <Quintasan> I want OP's too
[17:23] <Quintasan> :P
[17:23] <apachelogger> but now supper
[17:23] <Quintasan> [18:23] <SadEagle> milian: it sized the window to be... well..       Program supplied minimum size: 16383 by 879
[17:23] <Quintasan> lol
[17:24] <debfx> is there a reason why kdm has been patched to start failsafe x which I'm missing? cause failsafe x is gdm specific afaik and it doesn't seem to work
[17:39] <shtylman> debfx: failsafe x isn't supposed to be gdm specific... but iirc the kdm patch is broken
[17:42] <Riddell> debfx: ah yes, that's something else that should be on the Todo
[17:42] <debfx> shtylman: well it installs its files into /etc/gdm and uses zenity (to display gtk dialogs using shell scripts)
[17:43] <shtylman> haha
[17:43] <Riddell> doesn't matter where it installs to, but the zenity stuff needs to be fixed
[17:44] <debfx> even with zenity installed it doesn't work
[17:45] <Riddell> all good reasons why it's a feature on the Todo list and not a bug
[17:45] <debfx> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BulletProofX says "KDM currently does not support a failsafe server as GDM does, so support for this capability on KDM-based distros will be deferred until this has been implemented. Assuming a design similar to GDM is adopted, the above design can be used here as well. "
[17:46] <debfx> but that wiki page seems to be very old
[17:47] <shtylman> yea
[17:48] <shtylman> Riddell: feel free to assign the failsafe x thing to me, and I can follow up on it.. unless we have someone else that wants to poke at it?
[18:09] <debfx> looks like kdelibs5-dev dropped its dependency on cmake
[18:10] <debfx> the changelog entry is funny: * Move cmake from kdelibs5-dev Depends to Breaks.
[18:13]  * nixternal goes and sticks his head in a hole for good - back-to-back interview bombs in less than a week
[18:14] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Feeling ass out?
[18:14] <nixternal> I think I should just give up and become homeless, seems I am destined for it lately...I can't do an interview to save my own life lately
[18:14] <DaSkreech> You had a life saving interview?
[18:15] <nixternal> life killing is more like it
[18:18] <DaSkreech> What happened?
[18:19] <nixternal> i just totally bombed an interview...i suck, plain and simple
[18:21] <debfx> JontheEchidna: will kdelibs5-dev continue to not depend on cmake?
[18:22] <JontheEchidna> debfx: yeah, that's the way debian is doing it
[18:23] <debfx> JontheEchidna: ok, that requires some ftbfs fixing
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> debfx: Got a list of things that broke?
[18:25] <JontheEchidna> Come to think of it, I think most of our plasmoid packages will break because of this. I remember in my earlier days recommending that the cmake build-dep not be there since kdelibs5-dev depended on it.
[18:25] <JontheEchidna> I see the error of my ways now, of course. ;)
[18:26] <debfx> JontheEchidna: I wrote a script that checks for packages that build-depend on kdelibs5-dev but not cmake
[18:26] <JontheEchidna> Oh well, all kdelibs5 rdepends need a rebuild anyways to take advantage of the split anyways. :)
[18:28] <nixternal> umm, that is every package :)
[18:28] <debfx> JontheEchidna: http://paste.debian.net/73785/
[18:29] <debfx> there are probably some false positives though
[18:31] <debfx> i'll start with the just uploaded kcm-gtk :)
[18:31] <debfx> http://paste.debian.net/73787/
[18:32] <JontheEchidna> debfx: are you a motu yet?
[18:32] <debfx> JontheEchidna: nope
[18:32] <JontheEchidna> k
[18:32] <JontheEchidna> debfx: what we can do is set up a wiki page for your list, so that we can keep track of who's doing what
[18:33] <JontheEchidna> perhaps make a table with the columns "package" "assignee" and "status"
[18:33] <JontheEchidna> then you could put the pastebin links in to status or something, and then the kubuntu-minded motu could sponsor things
[18:35] <JontheEchidna> e.g. something similar to this: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/RemoveArts
[18:37] <JontheEchidna> I'll go make a page
[18:37] <JontheEchidna> It seems only fair ;)
[18:40] <Quintasan> Riddell, JontheEchidna: I think I got the microblogging patch
[18:44] <debfx> JontheEchidna: I don't mind fixing and uploading a debdiff for the packages, though sponsoring all the fixes is going to cause a big overhead considering that the changes are quite small
[18:45] <JontheEchidna> debfx: I'm starting a wiki page here: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDECMakeBuildDependTransition Feel free to paste as many debdiffs as you'd like. I'll probably go and power through a bunch of this list tonight when I get home
[18:46] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: i can work on some as well, feel free to sling my name to a handful or so if you would like
[18:47] <rbelem> hey guys! for maverick which phonon will we use? qt, kde or http://gitorious.org/phonon?
[18:48] <JontheEchidna> rbelem: gitorious is where the kde phonon comes from now
[18:48] <rbelem> cool! :-)
[18:48] <JontheEchidna> the plan is to switch to kde, which is stable versions from git
[18:51] <shtylman> does the debhelper binary target depend on the install target?
[18:51] <shtylman> I would think so... but my install target is never run it seems
[18:52]  * nixternal goes out and mows the lawn in typical loser fashion
[18:53] <rbelem> JontheEchidna, phonon has its own src package or is it built with qt?
[18:54] <rbelem> shtylman, afaik packages just build-depends on debhelper
[18:55] <debfx> shtylman: only if you tell it to I guess
[18:56] <JontheEchidna> rbelem: when we switch over to kde phonon this cycle it will have its own package. Right now we're building it with Qt.
[18:56] <shtylman> debfx: I guess I need to make the binary target depend on it
[18:56] <shtylman> I would have thought it would already depend on the install target
[18:56] <apachelogger> well then
[18:56] <apachelogger> my amarok collection is broken again
[18:56] <apachelogger> \o/
[18:56] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[18:56] <JontheEchidna> haha
[18:57] <debfx> shtylman: you could also convert the package to dh7 rules :)
[18:57] <shtylman> debfx: has to support hardy for now
[18:59] <rbelem> JontheEchidna, so for maverick will we have phonon with its own package?
[19:00] <JontheEchidna> rbelem: yes
[19:00] <rbelem> cool! \o/
[19:00] <rbelem> is anyone working on it?
[19:02] <debfx> I guess packages that use it should build-depend on pkg-kde-tools instead of relying on kdelibs5-dev
[19:03] <JontheEchidna> rbelem: yeah
[19:03] <JontheEchidna> er
[19:03] <JontheEchidna> debfx: yeah
[19:04] <JontheEchidna> rbelem: It will get done soon, when we merge our Qt packages with Debian
[19:04]  * apachelogger thinks that this does sound the scary
[19:06] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: btw, pkg-kde-tools uploaded
[19:06] <apachelogger> \o/
[19:06] <apachelogger> kubotu: order a cookie for the very awesome JontheEchidna
[19:06]  * kubotu slides a cookie down the bar to the very awesome JontheEchidna
[19:07] <apachelogger> \o/
[19:07] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[19:07] <JontheEchidna> at least, I'm awesome until we all find out I've inadvertantly broken pkg-kde-tools :D
[19:07] <shtylman> JontheEchidna: how come the libs no longer depend on cmake?
[19:07] <apachelogger> Sput: btw, so I went to the train station, and guess what, I got a transfer billet :P
[19:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yeah, that makes the awesomeness all forgotten
[19:07] <Sput> ach halts Maul :P
[19:07] <apachelogger> lol
[19:08] <JontheEchidna> shtylman: because it technically doesn't. For example rosegarden uses the qmake build system, and before it was pulling cmake in as an unecessary build-dep due to kdelibs5-dev depending on it
[19:08] <shtylman> ahh. I see
[19:08] <shtylman> right..cause you can build against kdelibs without cmake
[19:08]  * apachelogger does the what-does-apachelogger-need-to-take-with-him-to-the-mountains-dance
[19:08] <shtylman> although... why would you :)
[19:08] <JontheEchidna> ;)
[19:09] <JontheEchidna> rosegarden did make me cry
[19:09] <apachelogger> rosegarden or qmake?
[19:09] <Sput> apachelogger: when are you arriving?
[19:09] <apachelogger> because qmake almost made me stop packaging back in the days
[19:09] <JontheEchidna> It was the first kde3 -> kde4 port that purposefully switched to qmake :(
[19:09] <apachelogger> Sput: some time on thursday
[19:09] <Sput> well yeah, me too
[19:09] <JontheEchidna> wait, actually it switched from kde3 -> plain old qt4, which made me cry harder
[19:09] <apachelogger> I am in zurich at 7 or something
[19:09] <Sput> just don't know when exactly yet
[19:10] <Sput> meh, plasma-desktop is crashing every other minute here -.-
[19:10] <apachelogger> then I seem to remember that emonkey and I shall grab coffee or something
[19:10] <apachelogger> and then I am like ... how the hell do I get to randa, where is it and when does the next train go there
[19:11]  * apachelogger still needs to propose a paper for froscon -.-
[19:11] <apachelogger> kubotu: np
[19:11] <apachelogger> hm
[19:12] <rbelem> JontheEchidna, ok :-) i will make a simple packaging for it, just to get it installed on my system
[19:12] <apachelogger> kubotu: ping
[19:12] <kubotu> pong
[19:12] <apachelogger> kubotu: np
[19:12] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "Cadence to Arms" by Dropkick Murphys [Do or Die, 1998] [http://open.spotify.com/track/2viONDGjOKo5oWbfMEQ7n0] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[19:12] <apachelogger> ah
[19:12] <neversfelde> apachelogger: you are going to Froscon this year?
[19:13] <apachelogger> that entirely depends on whether a talk gets accepted and whether the kde e.v. sponsors me
[19:13]  * apachelogger is a bit short on the money these days
[19:13] <apachelogger> oh
[19:13] <apachelogger> rbot updates \o/
[19:13] <neversfelde> apachelogger: k :) I think I will be there at least on sunday
[19:13] <apachelogger> kubotu: restart
[19:14] <apachelogger> uh uh uh
[19:14] <apachelogger> kubotu: np
[19:14] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "Finnegan's Wake" by Dropkick Murphys [Do or Die, 1998] [http://open.spotify.com/track/0qrVpBm3o8eU0fFO54UXv7] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[19:14] <apachelogger> \o/
[19:14]  * apachelogger grabs neversfelde and dances like wild
[19:15]  * neversfelde does not want to dance
[19:15] <neversfelde> but there seems to be no choice :)
[19:16] <apachelogger> not dancing is no option!
[19:19] <apachelogger> oh my
[19:19] <apachelogger> the album Do or Die is way too awesome
[19:22] <CIA-6> [ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas (The man) <echidnaman@gmail.com> * echidnaman@gmail.com-20100518182231-6pji66jkdip30h06 * debian/ (73 files in 3 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[19:22] <CIA-6> * Merge with Debian Unstable, remaining changes: - Build with versioned boost
[19:22] <CIA-6> build-depends - Use Kubuntu docpath (/usr/share/doc/kde/) * Bump replaces on KDE
[19:23] <apachelogger> \o/
[19:23] <apachelogger> commit messges ftw
[19:23] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: another bunch of new packages coming your way
[19:23] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: the message should probably mention kdepimlibs in some way
[19:23] <apachelogger> for that you branch needs to be named kdepimlibs
[19:23] <JontheEchidna> perhaps [project/branch] instead of just [branch]?
[19:24] <apachelogger> IT IS project/branch
[19:24] <apachelogger> I think ;(
[19:24] <apachelogger> sec
[19:24] <apachelogger>     <autoHide><color fg="blue">[<module/>]</color></autoHide>
[19:24] <apachelogger>     <autoHide><color fg="blue">[<branch/>]</color></autoHide>
[19:24] <apachelogger> not sure if there is a project too
[19:25] <apachelogger> oh there is
[19:26] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: got another commit at hand?
[19:26] <JontheEchidna> hrmhrm
[19:27] <apachelogger> ah
[19:27] <apachelogger> project will be kubuntu I think
[19:27] <CIA-6> [kubuntu] [ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas (The man) <echidnaman@gmail.com> * echidnaman@gmail.com-20100518182727-2n7cma608eflhfe5 * debian/ (18 files in 2 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[19:27] <CIA-6> * Merge with Debian Unstable, remaining changes: - Do not add unsatisfiable
[19:27] <CIA-6> kdesktop dependency for libkonq5 - kubuntu_04_hide_kfind.diff -
[19:27] <apachelogger> yeah
[19:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: your branch needs to have a sensible name
[19:27] <apachelogger> :P
[19:27] <JontheEchidna> ... says the person that set up all of the packaging branches :P
[19:28] <apachelogger> dude
[19:28] <apachelogger> those were state of the art names
[19:28] <apachelogger> packaging only goes to /ubuntu
[19:28] <apachelogger> packaging only from debian goes to /debian
[19:28] <JontheEchidna> ^.^
[19:28] <apachelogger> whole source branches go to /foobar
[19:37] <debfx> JontheEchidna: isn't kipi-plugins going to be merged with debian?
[19:37] <JontheEchidna> debfx: hmm, good point
[19:40] <debfx> ok, removed from the list
[19:40] <debfx> I wonder why subversion depends on kdelibs
[19:48] <Nightrose> apachelogger: heh i have a list but it's rather specific to me
[19:56] <maco> https://identi.ca/group/bluehairedstepchild <-- huh lookit that
[19:57] <apachelogger> is it visternal?
[19:57] <apachelogger> Nightrose: oh, too bad :*
[19:58] <Nightrose> apachelogger: i could send it to you though of course ;-)
[19:58] <claydoh> maco: no, that is mine, for what is wort
[19:59] <apachelogger> Nightrose: well if it does not have any use for me :P
[19:59] <apachelogger> Nightrose: unless you need to share your plans with someone
[19:59] <Nightrose> haha
[19:59] <Nightrose> it's not completely useless i think
[19:59] <Nightrose> i'll email it
[20:00] <dantti> Riddell: is App Pick a bad application name ?
[20:01]  * maco tries to make an app pick -> ice pick -> trotsky joke
[20:01]  * dantti can't understand jokes :P
[20:04] <Nightrose> apachelogger: btw you should change your name in facebook
[20:04] <apachelogger> Nightrose: how so?
[20:04] <Nightrose> it screws up my gmail address book via kopete :D
[20:04] <apachelogger> lol
[20:04] <Nightrose> seriously
[20:04]  * apachelogger was more thinking of leaving facebook :P
[20:06]  * claydoh just left fb this afternoon
[20:06] <Nightrose> apachelogger: actually add cam to that list
[20:07]  * apachelogger points at the cell and smiles
[20:08] <apachelogger> Nightrose: Badeanzug?
[20:08] <Nightrose> apachelogger: hehe not for this one...
[20:08] <Nightrose> it's my generic list
[20:08]  * Sput is not going to do an extended walk btw
[20:08] <apachelogger> AH
[20:08] <apachelogger> AHHHH
[20:09] <apachelogger> Sput: extendend walk?
[20:09] <Sput> yeah, there supposedly is an excursion planned to some mountain
[20:09] <apachelogger> ahhh
[20:09] <apachelogger> the one that is worth 15 cheese francs
[20:09] <Sput> ah, I thought that one was separate from the walk?
[20:10] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[20:10]  * apachelogger is not feeling like walking or look at some mountain :P
[20:10]  * apachelogger is austrian, so he does plenty of both all day long
[20:11] <apachelogger> Nightrose: so at what event does one need a badeanzug?
[20:11] <Nightrose> i needed one at the gsoc summit 
[20:11] <Nightrose> for the pool and hottub obviously
[20:11]  * apachelogger always thought that @ LT the whole kde staff should take a day off and go to wannsee ^^
[20:11] <apachelogger> oh hottubing of course
[20:12] <apachelogger> no huttub @ mmedusprint?
[20:12] <Nightrose> i've not heard about one
[20:12] <apachelogger> ohhh :(
[20:12] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNopQq5lWqQ&feature=autofb
[20:23] <JontheEchidna> There was no hottub at UDS either. This is a conspiracy
[20:26] <Quintasan> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/69524/buildlog.gz.bz2
[20:26] <Quintasan> can anyone tell me what might be causing this?
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> a problem with the microblogging patch, perhaps? http://paste.ubuntu.com/435708/
[20:29] <JontheEchidna> looks like m_headerFrame is declared twice in the .h file
[20:30] <apachelogger> patch?
[20:31] <apachelogger> what patch now?
[20:31] <apachelogger> always these patches
[21:43] <debfx> I really need an SSD, running 4 pbuilders concurrently is really slow
[21:54] <apachelogger> lubyou: wb
[21:55] <lubyou> thank you!
[21:55] <apachelogger> yw
[21:58] <apachelogger> opinions on putting cryptsetup onto the cd?
[21:58] <apachelogger> seems one needs it to decryt luks stuff and the device notifier does not really provide useful error feedback
[21:59] <DaSkreech> nixternal: do I complain to the Plymouth folks about messing up my geek karma of knowing what's happening when my Linux box starts so that my creative artist chick magnet side can show off it's beauty progress bar?  
[22:33] <alvin> DaSkreech: You can probably find a few bugs about that on Launchpad
[22:42] <CIA-6> [ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas (The man) <echidnaman@gmail.com> * echidnaman@gmail.com-20100518214247-frig0mxe3thjzf33 * debian/ (changelog control) * Make libknewstuff3-4 replace older versions of kdelibs5. Can be removed in Kubuntu 12.04. * Correct version number for the Breaks on libkwebkit-dev for kdelibs5-dev
[22:44] <CIA-6> [ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas (The man) <echidnaman@gmail.com> * echidnaman@gmail.com-20100518214430-afqh2otd1ddvrgep * debian/changelog Close the LP bug.
[22:45] <jjesse> nice jonathan the man
[22:45] <jjesse> wasn't there an lp group at one time named people named jonathan or smething like
[22:45] <JontheEchidna> there's a story behind that
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> I though the "comment" part of the gpg key was mandatory when I first got my key
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> I have a new key now but it still seems to be using the old one for bzr
[23:06] <debfx> top reason why debian-ubuntu collaboration is not optimal: debian lacks a decent interface to their bug tracker ;)
[23:09] <apachelogger> ack!
[23:09] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you need to switch0r the lp keys
[23:09] <apachelogger> what kind of a comment is that anyway :P
[23:21] <CIA-6> [ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas (The man) <echidnaman@gmail.com> * echidnaman@gmail.com-20100518222109-dtnanig43ix86egp * debian/control Tiny change I had forgotten to merge
[23:21] <JontheEchidna> hmm, I deactivated the old key in LP
[23:22] <JontheEchidna> must be something bzr-specific I ahve to fiddle with
[23:25] <JontheEchidna> oha, found it
[23:28] <JontheEchidna> whoa, kdebase no longer needs kdebase-workspace-dev to build
[23:29]  * JontheEchidna goes off to update the dep tree