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Andre_Gondimhi, is it possible to change the mail list behaver? when someone reply, that reply sents mail list, not to who sent the mail to list00:37
thumperAndre_Gondim: normally it is an option in your email client00:39
Andre_Gondimwell, in mailman I have a option to change this, it will be very helpful if there is this option in launchpad mail list00:40
thumperI don't think we have that option in Launchpad00:41
Andre_Gondimno, we don't have, I want to know how to file a bug, to do this00:42
mwhudsonAndre_Gondim: tell all your users to use thunderbird 3, that behaves sensibly with the headers launchpad sends :)00:44
mwhudsonif you mean reply-to munging, people get very excited about that00:44
Andre_Gondimmwhudson, I think the mail list needs to work in every situation. It's very nice the mail list works ok at thunderbird, but if I use gmail, I always needs to do reply to all00:46
mwhudsonAndre_Gondim: in general launchpad can only influence what the clients do, not control it00:47
mwhudsonAndre_Gondim: i'm not sure what you are actually asking for, a magical "make it work" wand-wave isn't realistic00:47
Andre_Gondimmwhudson, I just want when I reply in mail list, just sent do mail list, not to the sender00:48
mwhudsonAndre_Gondim: you can't have that00:49
mwhudsonwithout munging reply-to00:49
mwhudsonwhich other people get very upset about00:49
ali1234why would you even want that? you will lose unsubscribed people on the CC list00:49
Andre_Gondimif someone just click on reply, just the sender will receive this mail, I want to everyone in mail list receive this mail00:51
ali1234so click on "reply to all" problem solved00:51
Andre_Gondimbut this is not a solution is a workaround00:51
mwhudsonAndre_Gondim: what, concretely, do you want launchpad to change?00:52
mwhudsonthis has been a problem with email, for oh, at least two decades00:52
mwhudsonprobably much longer00:52
Andre_Gondimmwhudson, I just want that behaver, like any mail list, when I click to reply, I reply to mail list only, not to sender00:53
* mwhudson stops trying 00:53
Andre_Gondimmaybe you don't get my point, forgets, I give up00:54
spivAndre_Gondim: "like any mail list" is far from true00:54
ali1234no mailing list that i am aware of works like that00:55
spivAndre_Gondim: The Reply-to munging you want makes many people at least as unhappy as not munging.00:55
spivAndre_Gondim: it's sadly impossible to make everyone perfectly happy00:55
ali1234including all the kernel lists00:55
Andre_Gondimspiv, at mailman I have a option to do this, and all my users in mail list just needs to reply,00:55
ali1234it's kind of a shame that nntp lost out to forums and mailing lists00:58
ali1234i know there's gmane but that's not really the same as having everyone use nntp by default00:58
mwhudsonyeah00:58
mwhudsonclearly launchpad needs newsgroups!00:58
spivNah, clearly everyone should just use twitter ;)00:59
* spm fires up the hell roasting fires for mwhudson to ... sauna in00:59
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gourmorning06:44
gouri'm responsible for a project at LP which got a bit neglected and found out there are some questions asked in 'Answers' section, which are not appropriate for the forum. what is appropriate action to do? Reject question 8which already received answers) or is it possible to delete it via 'reject' ?06:45
clearyakheron: thanks for the reply re my ppa issue - I did sign the package, but ended up doing it with a personal, non-launchpad key. According to the launchpad doco, a key should have been auto generated for me on ppa setup, but I cannot see it anywhere - can you point me in the right direction?07:22
wgrantcleary: The auto-generated key is used to sign the repository, and the private part is possessed only by Launchpad. You sign uploaded packages with an independent personal key.07:25
clearywgrant: ok, that's what I did07:25
gourok, i rejected question(s) and they are not listed any longer. :-)07:26
clearydput of the source package was succesful, but I did not receive any notification afterwards07:26
gourany intention to provide some wiki for the LP projects in the future?07:26
clearywgrant: do I have to make launchpad aware of my personal public key?07:26
gour(or one should use blueprints etc.)07:26
wgrantcleary: Yes. Register it at https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+editpgpkeys07:27
wgrantThen upload again.07:27
lifelessit would be nice for lp to autodiscover07:28
lifelessand do an email-signing dance if someone uses a key it doesn't know about07:28
spmlifeless: I believe that would be impossible, surely? ;-)07:28
wgrantlifeless: Huh?07:28
lifelessspm: why? If its in the global keyring07:28
wgrantEmail-signing dance?07:28
clearywgrant: thanks - the rest of the steps look to be nicely laid out. I should be right from here :)07:29
lifelesswgrant: encrypted mail to user; signed email back to verify.07:29
wgrantlifeless: Which user?07:29
wgrantWe have a key.07:29
spmlifeless: you're not caught up on quotes then? 'Constructive trolling' no further comment.07:29
wgrantBut we don't know if the email addresses are good.07:29
lifelesswgrant: the one matching their email address07:29
wgrantlifeless: Yay spam?07:29
lifelesswgrant: how so?07:29
* wgrant uploads 7000 packages with a key involving lifeless' email addresses.07:30
wgrantGoodbye inbox :)07:30
spmwgrant: you *have* missed your calling. that sort of evil? you should be in sysadmin.07:30
lifelesswgrant: no user controllable content, so at most unwanted email, not spam or uce07:30
wgrantlifeless: Oh, I'm sure any solution like this would attach the changes file.07:31
wgrantProbably with Content-Disposition: inline, too.07:31
lifelesswgrant: no way, different use cases.07:31
lifelesswgrant: and it would enable spam. So no.07:31
wgrantlifeless: You mean that LP should constantly poke the keyserver looking for matching keys as they show up?07:32
wgrantSeparately from the upload processor?07:32
wgrantNot a bad idea, perhaps.07:32
lifelesswgrant: for totally unknown keys, yes.07:32
lifelessrather than EBLOWUP07:32
wgrantSomewhat difficult, particularly given that this is SKS, and doesn't solve the common issue where the key isn't on the keyserver.07:33
lifelessif you got an error saying 'key X was used to sign a package; please verify it by decrypting the attached content and followiong the instructions'07:33
wgrantBetter solution is to make SFTP poppy a reality, and then make it suck less.07:33
lifelesswgrant: well, StevenK is on that07:33
wgrantI know.07:33
gour1any chance we'll have bug #240067 implemented at some time? it's strong 'cons' for putting our project(s) at LP :-(09:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 240067 in launchpad-foundations "Launchpad needs a wiki" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/24006709:13
spivAt some time?  Yes.09:14
gour1it is the main reason that we abandoded idea to use fossil-csm (which even has poor non-standard wiki)09:14
spivSoon?  Probably not, IIRC it's not yet on the roadmap.09:14
spivhttps://dev.launchpad.net/RoadMap09:14
gour1yeah, i'm aware of it...it means, considering how things are progressing, it's better to forget about it and use some other hosting or do our own09:15
gour1it's strange how LP is missing it...so many nice stuff and one (major) blunder09:16
magciusI forget09:20
magciusWhat does Launchpad have for patch support?09:20
gour1since hg does not play nicely with fast-import, it leaves us with git (& github)  which i really do not like :-/09:20
magciusgour1: I use git and github for code hosting, and Launchpad for everything else09:21
wgrantmagcius: Patch support?09:21
wgrantWhat do you mean?09:21
wgrantMerge proposals?09:21
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magciuswgrant: yeah, code review not tied to bzr09:21
gourmagcius: heh, i'd like integrated solution...otherwise, better to have everything on one's own site09:22
magciusgour: to me, when you have an integrated solution, there's always some parts that can be done better09:22
gourmagcius: true, but it's less to admin09:23
wgrantWell. Fix the parts that can be done better, so everyone benefits?09:23
wgrantThat seems like the optimal solution.09:24
wgrantA good, integrated solution.09:24
magciuswgrant: easier said than done09:24
wgrantIndeed.09:24
magciusif we get a wiki, there's going to be a hell of a wiki format war09:24
magcius"MoinMoin!" "ReST!" "MediaWiki!" "DokuWiki!" "WikiCreole!"09:25
wgrantAll of the above.09:26
magciusHow? Some use the same syntax to mean two completely different things09:26
gourconsidering it's python, having reST under bzr sounds good...otoh, any wiki is better than no wiki09:26
wgrant<select> FTW?09:26
magciuswgrant: ahahaha09:28
wgrantYes, messy.09:28
wgrantBut.09:28
magciuswgrant: if you do that some guy is going to come along and say "Confluence needs love too!"09:28
magciuswgrant: and some asshole is going to come around and say "if you support all wiki formats natively why not support all VCSs!"09:29
jmlmediawiki.09:32
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lifelessmagcius: in which case, atlassian can rewrite confluences parser + renderer in python and submit a patch to use it09:37
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lifelessjml: ping; reminding you to rename the testtools milestone and do other release stuff09:37
magciuslifeless: I was thinking more of the case of "we want to convert our Confluence wiki to Launchpad!"09:38
jmllifeless: thanks, but you don't need to remind me.09:38
lifelessmagcius: well, that should be easier :)09:38
lifelessjml: ok, I couldn't tell if I did or didn't.09:38
magciusWhy aren't things like bugs and answers and stuff stored in a bzr branch anyway?09:38
lifelessjml: I was looking at the testtools bugs with thumper earlier today and it reminded me.09:39
lifelessmagcius: VCS's with their single timeline and no delete model are a bad fit for such data09:39
magciuslifeless: "their"? That's not "VCS"'s fault, that's bzr's fault09:40
lifelessmagcius: sorry, I wasn't including RCS or CVS as VCS's in this day and age.09:41
magciuslifeless: what do you mean by "single timeline" and "no delete model"?09:41
thumpergour: I'm working on a wiki in my spare time (like now)09:41
magciuslifeless: does "single timeline" mean there's no branching, flat, just one commit after another?09:42
magciusthumper: yay!09:42
lifelessmagcius: if you have a bug, and someone attaches a .iso, you might want to delete it.09:42
magciuslifeless: ah09:42
magciuslifeless: delete the file and commit?09:42
lifelessmagcius: but without rebasing (which is bad for trunk branches), you can't delete data from a VCS09:42
lifelessdoesn't delete the history09:42
magciuslifeless: that's a bad thing?09:42
lifelessstill have to copy 720MB around every time you branch09:42
lifelessas for single timeline09:43
lifelessI mean that you don't want to have to merge everytime someone edits a different bug from a different machine09:43
magciusah09:44
lifelessbug trackers are generally full of unrelated items09:44
lifelessor related only by their id09:45
lifelessbut commits in a modern VCS are across all items, so you have a mismatch in the timeline - its per branch, not per item09:45
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Peng_Nonetheless, there are various bug tracking tools that store the data in your VCS, such as Bugs Everywhere.10:16
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gourthumper: you're the only one working on it?11:35
gourPeng_: BugsEverywhere is not in very rapid dev11:36
Peng_It was just an example, and it's the most-developed one I know of.11:49
gourahh...i was testing fossil...it is nice, but lack of standard wiki kills it badly...too bad LP lacks wiki as well11:50
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EgYPaRaDoXI am inquiring if there is the possibility to become an Ubuntu member through translating rather than developing?12:57
sorenEgYPaRaDoX: This is not really the right channel, but yes. Any and all contributions to Ubuntu count.12:58
sorenEgYPaRaDoX: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership12:58
EgYPaRaDoXsorn: I couldn't find the right channel actually12:59
EgYPaRaDoXsoren*12:59
persiaThat's because there isn't a right channel12:59
persiaBut any of the #ubuntu-* channels are probably a better place to ask in general.12:59
sorenYeah. I wouldn't know where to send you :)12:59
james_w#ubuntu-community-team would be best12:59
persiaWould it?12:59
sorenIs there a channel for translations?12:59
persia#ubuntu-translators13:00
james_w#ubuntu-translators IIRC13:00
sorenThen that one :9813:00
sorenEr..13:00
sorens/98/)/13:00
EgYPaRaDoXjames_w: I appreciate your help13:00
EgYPaRaDoXI need to ask another question, is it compulsory to register an OpenPGP key in order to become a member?13:27
nigelbjml: I have the notes from the UDD session. want me me to put it up on gobby?13:32
jmlnigelb, that'd be great, thanks!13:32
nigelbyaay for remote!13:32
jmlnigelb, yay indeed.13:33
nigelbcheck now13:33
ftauh?? https://edge.launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa/+build/174326313:34
nigelbjml: on gobby now :)13:35
jmlnigelb, ta13:35
jmlEgYPaRaDoX, to become a member of Ubuntu, yes.13:36
jmlEgYPaRaDoX, but you might not need to become a member13:36
jmlfta, I have no idea what to make of that. Perhaps bigjools or noodles775 might.13:36
* noodles775 is looking at the upload log, but it doesn't log anything indicating why it failed to upload.13:37
nigelbjml: yes you need pgp key - sigh code of conduct13:37
nigelb*sign13:37
ftajml, i guess i can just retry but i don't understand what went wrong with it13:37
jmlfta, me neither13:37
wgrantI am also confused.13:38
jmlnigelb, yeah, but not everyone in the world needs to sign the code of conduct.13:38
jmlwgrant, o hai13:38
wgrantjml: You do need to to become an Ubuntu Member, though.13:38
jmlright.13:38
* nigelb assumed Ubuntu Member13:38
jmlthat's what I said13:38
jml"to become a member of Ubuntu, yes.  but you might not need to become a member."13:38
noodles775fta: pls let us know if it fails to upload again - there has been some changes to that code recently (and will be more too).13:39
wgrantOh, right, sorry. Still a little jetlagged.13:39
jmlwgrant, np. :)13:39
EgYPaRaDoXjml: I am talking about the use of OpenPGP, some countries have strict laws.13:40
ftanoodles775, yesterday, i had another like this one, it was jaunty/amd64. a retry worked.13:40
jmlEgYPaRaDoX, you can use GnuPG, if that helps.13:40
jmlEgYPaRaDoX, but if you want to become an Ubuntu Member, you have to sign the code of conduct. To do that, you need a GPG key on Launchpad.13:41
wgrantIn countries outlawing outlawing strong encryption, you would probably be unable to legally use Launchpad at all, given that it is served over reasonably strong SSL.13:41
EgYPaRaDoXjml: OK.13:41
EgYPaRaDoXwgrant: So I shouldnt be using launchpad?13:43
wgrantEgYPaRaDoX: It depends completely on the laws that apply in your current jurisdiction.13:44
jmlEgYPaRaDoX, also, do you really want to be taking legal advice from a bunch of strangers on the Internet?13:45
EgYPaRaDoXjml: Nope.13:45
wgrantThat too.13:45
EgYPaRaDoXjml: I totally agree.13:45
EgYPaRaDoXjml: I am just trying to be a member, I believe thats all the help I could get from here.13:48
jmlEgYPaRaDoX, cool. If you need any more help, let me know.13:49
EgYPaRaDoXjml: OK.13:49
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EgyParadoxjml: There is one thing also, I don't know where specifically I could get help. In other words , If I have some issue , I don't know which channel to join , canonical related?, launchpad related?, ubuntu related?14:24
jmlEgyParadox, it depends on what the issue is.14:24
jmlEgyParadox, if it's about using Launchpad, you are in the right place.14:24
jmlEgyParadox, if it's about Ubuntu development, then https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ is your best starting point14:24
EgyParadoxjml: The problem is that I don't know who is responsible for what14:26
jmlEgyParadox, hmm.14:27
jmlEgyParadox, there's a lot of "who" and a lot of "what" – I'm not sure I'd be able to give a detailed breakdown of everything related to Ubuntu, Launchpad and/or Canonical14:27
EgyParadoxjml: I understand that the involvement of the the three together causes the situation to be bit complicated. If so , then I will ask anybody who can guide me for what I want.14:32
jmlEgyParadox, do you want something in particular right now?14:33
jmlEgyParadox, in general, if you ask in the wrong place, people will happily point you to the right one.14:33
EgyParadoxjml: Nope, is there a site where I can find information about the role of each of canonical, ubuntu , and launchpad?14:34
jmlEgyParadox, other than wiki.ubuntu.com or canonical.com, not really...14:35
jmlEgyParadox, in a nutshell....14:35
jmlEgyParadox, Ubuntu is a Linux distribution made by a whole bunch of people and partly funded by a commercial company called Canonical.14:35
jmlEgyParadox, To handle bugs, translations and pretty much anything related to developer collaboration, Ubuntu uses a tool called Launchpad14:36
jmlEgyParadox, which was developed by Canonical and is still largely funded by them.14:36
jmlEgyParadox, a whole bunch of free software projects and commercial projects also use Launchpad to handle bugs, translations and pretty much anything related to developer collaboration.14:37
jmlEgyParadox, these projects are sometimes related to Ubuntu, sometimes not.14:37
jmlEgyParadox, does that help?14:37
EgyParadoxjml: Yes.14:38
EgyParadoxjml: Is there a diagram showing how the three are related?, If there isn14:41
EgyParadoxIf there isn't, is it possible to create one , since before I was totally confused.14:41
EgyParadoxjml: I am talking for other people to know.14:43
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shtylmanwhen trying to upload to my ppa I get rejected with: The source mongodb - 1:1.5.2~acr1 is already accepted in ubuntu/hardy and you cannot upload the same version within the same distribution. You have to modify the source version and re-upload.16:19
shtylmanmy ppa does not have anything else in it16:19
shtylmanand that package doesn't exist in hardy... so I am confused...16:20
bigjoolshave you uploaded it before?16:20
shtylmanfor lucid.. yes... but I have since deleted it16:20
shtylmancause I had something wrong with it16:20
bigjoolsyou can't upload the same version again even if you delete it16:21
shtylman... really?16:21
bigjoolsthe error's a bit misleading about hardy16:21
bigjoolsyeah - apt clients don't like seeing the same file again with different contents16:21
shtylmanoh... I see16:21
shtylmanI will make a note to remember that :)16:21
shtylmana followup question tho16:21
shtylmanlets say I upload this for hardy16:21
bigjoolsit's in the FAQ :)16:21
shtylmancan I use the copy feature to make it work for lucid as well?16:22
shtylmanlast time I uploaded for lucid and tried to copy.. it only let me copy binary16:22
bigjoolsyep - but only if you copy with binaries16:22
shtylmanwhy is that?16:22
shtylmandoesn't it need to be rebuilt?16:22
bigjoolsyou can't rebuild the same version in a new series in a pool-based repo16:22
shtylmanand what if it does need to be rebuilt?16:23
bigjoolsyou'd end up with the same version with different contents trying to get published16:23
bigjoolsif you need a rebuild16:23
bigjoolsthen you need to upload a different version to lucid16:23
shtylmanahh16:23
shtylmannoted16:23
bigjoolsmost people do something like ~series on the version16:23
shtylmanbut that means keeping different changelog files around..16:23
bigjoolsthe bzr ppa is a good example16:24
wgrantThe error message is not, in fact, misleading. https://edge.launchpad.net/~shtylman/+archive/acr/+packages?field.name_filter=mongodb&field.status_filter=&field.series_filter= shows that it was uploaded to Hardy then very quickly deleted 18ish hours ago.16:24
bigjools'fraid so16:24
bigjoolsheh16:24
wgrantThe misleading one is the file with different contents message.16:24
bigjoolsI should stop trusting people :)16:25
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Kalidarnif i delete a ppa will it destroy my launchpad account?16:39
shtylmanno16:39
Kalidarnoh okay16:39
Kalidarnso i can make a new ppa under the launchpad account and provide new packages16:39
shtylmanright16:40
Kalidarnit's not like its had any packages in it for over 70 months16:41
Kalidarni mean days16:42
Kalidarnand even then it wasn't public16:42
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falktxhi21:16
falktxi need some help21:17
falktxit's the 2nd time i tried to compile a package in my ppa21:17
falktxthe packages actually compiles but the upload fails21:17
falktxhttps://launchpad.net/~falk-t-j/+archive/lucid/+build/174501021:17
falktxvery weird error21:17
falktxplease help21:17
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tsimpsonfalktx: you have a typo in your debian/control, in the Package: vst-plugin-vopm21:23
tsimpson"DDescription: VST Plugin Pack (dummy)"21:23
falktxoh21:23
falktxmany thanks!21:24
falktxhow "debuild -S -sa" didn't detect that?21:24
falktxit usually complains about everything...21:24
tsimpsonnot sure21:25
tremoluxheya LP folks, if I've mistakenly nominated a bug for release, is there a way that I can revert that?22:18
beunotremolux, unfortunetely, no22:21
tremoluxbeuno: ah well22:21
tremoluxbeuno: thx  :)22:22
tremoluxbeuno: does it make sense to mark the bug Invalid and just remake it?22:26
beunotremolux, I don't think so22:29
beunoyou can reject the proposal22:29
tremoluxbeuno: hmm, not sure I need to...I actually want to add the series but I think I just don't have the permissions to?22:32
tremoluxbeuno: got a sec?  I can show you22:32
beunotremolux, is this an ubuntu bug?22:33
tremoluxbeuno: yes, bug 58252922:33
ubot5Launchpad bug 582529 in tzdata (Ubuntu) "2010j available (affected: 1, heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58252922:33
beunoright, so only certain people can accept/reject the nominations22:33
tremoluxbeuno: yeah, I need it to look like bug 57210322:34
ubot5Launchpad bug 572103 in tzdata (Ubuntu Karmic) "2010i available (affected: 1, heat: 10)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57210322:34
tremoluxbeuno: but I don't have perms to do that, correct?22:34
beunotremolux, correct22:35
tremoluxbeuno: so, is it in fact correct for me to have nominated it after all?22:35
beunoyou need to talk to pitti22:35
beunowell, I don't know what the current Ubuntu bug rules are22:35
tremoluxbeuno: yep, I'll check with pitti tomorrow22:36
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tremoluxbeuno: thanks for your help!  it's much appreciated  :)22:36
beunotremolux, youz welcome22:36
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