[10:45] <coz_> hey all
[10:46] <coz_> damn fingers :)
[10:52] <darkmatter> hiya coz_ o/
[10:52] <coz_> darkmatter,  hey guy :)
[10:53] <coz_> darkmatter,  how are you feeling ?
[10:55] <darkmatter> coz_: better now that I had some tylenol. didn't realize how much strength the first round of treatment sapped from me. needed air earlier, so went to buy breads/sandwich goods. basket weighed a maximum of 15 lbs (probably closer to 8, but felt heavier), but was like wrestling a damn elephant
[10:55] <darkmatter> feel the burn!
[10:55] <coz_> darkmatter,  ooo yikes
[10:56] <darkmatter> coz_: those little green grocery baskets. I needed both hands to carry it.. lol
[10:56] <coz_> darkmatter,  I know this is "bump" in the road for you ... but I believe you can beat this thing again
[10:57] <darkmatter> but otherwise I'm feeling fine. treatment is already showing results. all the  grossly inflamed lympho nodes near the surface (the visible ones) were gone three days after I started
[10:58] <darkmatter> lymph*
[10:58] <coz_> darkmatter,  ooo cool  ...that's good news  yes?
[10:59] <darkmatter> coz_: it's not even a bump. it's a hiccup. just a relapse (being a chronic thing and all), but nowhere even remotely near the evil it was the last time
[10:59] <coz_> darkmatter,  oh very very cool then....
[11:00] <darkmatter> coz_: yupmeans the therapy they put me on is working. the leukemia will respond a bit slower (I'll hit rock bottom around next monday, then my blood will start strengthenimg slowly), but whatever
[11:01] <darkmatter> coz_: last time it was "omg! stage 4! you're dying!". well, if that didn't kill me nothing will :D
[11:01] <darkmatter> so little stage 1/2 is childs plaay
[11:01] <coz_> darkmatter,  oh man.... i cant begin to understand what you are going through with this...all I know is I am sure you will beat this damn thing
[11:01] <darkmatter> fingers no wurkiez :/
[11:03] <coz_> darkmatter,    I was real worried last time  especially when I didnt hear from you for a way long tim
[11:03] <coz_> time
[11:03] <darkmatter> coz_: meh. only thing I'm going through is high levels of toxicity :P. the cancer hasn't ever been a big deal, really *shrug*. I mean, leukemia's and lymphomas are persistent buggers. but they respond well to treatments
[11:05] <darkmatter> coz_: thanks for caring :). and thats the  thing I hate about cancer. it stresses other people out
[11:05] <coz_> darkmatter,  ok then I will just be vigilant about asking how you are :)
[11:05] <darkmatter> I mean, give me an iv and a shot of vodka and I'm fine. it's the rest that are worry warts
[11:05] <coz_> darkmatter,  :)
[11:08] <darkmatter> coz_: needless to say I'm on sabbatical. having a valid excuse for being a lazy arse is win ;p
[11:09] <coz_> darkmatter,   I understand... and I  admire the stoic approach to this you have.... but i will still be  concerned  .... ok I will keep it at a minimum :)
[11:15] <darkmatter> coz_: bah. wikipedia may be the crappiest resource on the planet, but is accurate enough http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-cell_chronic_lymphocytic_leukemia it not _that_ bad of a cancer to have
[11:22] <coz_> darkmatter,   well wikipedia is not going to stop me from checking with you now and then :)
[11:22] <darkmatter> lol. k :)
[11:23] <darkmatter> but yeah. most patients live a normal lifespan, they just have occasional hurdles to jump over
[11:23] <coz_> :)
[11:23] <coz_> there ...just got rid of buttons on the left in lucid :)
[11:26] <darkmatter> :)
[11:28] <coz_> darkmatter,  i think buttons on the left make sense if you are left handed or have a physical handicap... or something in that vein...but doing it on purpose seems like a brain fart :)
[11:28] <coz_> just my opinion ^^ :)
[11:28] <darkmatter> coz_: aye. I mean, at least when it comes to an OS that traditionally had them on the right
[11:29] <coz_> darkmatter,  yeah :)
[11:29] <darkmatter> I call it consistency. imaging the geekrage that would ensue if MS moved their window buttons to the left ;)
[11:30] <coz_> darkmatter,  ooo I would like to see that happen :)
[11:30] <darkmatter> and my fingers still no wurkiez :/
[11:31] <darkmatter> bah. they'll recover after some sleep. I'm just not going to bed until I medicate
[11:31] <darkmatter> 2 more hours
[11:32] <coz_> darkmatter,  yeah go rest  dude !
[11:32] <coz_> darkmatter,  you have been sleeping ok yes?
[11:32] <darkmatter> coz_: two hours! I need to stay upuntil 6:30 so I can have a breakfast of antibiotics!
[11:33] <darkmatter> coz_: yup. napping most of the day
[11:33] <coz_> darkmatter,  i already know you take vitamins also so  cool   rest is important
[11:33] <darkmatter> but insomnia sorta. common side effect. tend to be up in the middle of the night
[11:33] <coz_> darkmatter,  as long as you are rested ....
[11:33] <darkmatter> yup
[11:34] <darkmatter> I need to crack a window. it's 14 C out, which makes the puter room feel like 48 C :P
[11:34] <coz_> ooo
[11:35] <darkmatter> well. thats a bit of an exaggeration, but you know what I mean. warmest room in the house
[11:36] <coz_> darkmatter,  yeah I got it :)
[11:36] <darkmatter> especially after a high of 31 C yesterday. hot stagnant air
[11:37] <coz_> darkmatter,  we have had rain here all day yesterday and apparenlty the same is going to happen today... it got chilly last night.... I just dont want a frost to happen because I have already planted my veggies :)
[11:38] <darkmatter> we're supposed to have t-storms, but they're not showing up. so it's just heat and humidity :P
[11:39] <coz_> eeeww
[11:39] <coz_> i hate humidity
[11:39] <darkmatter> coz_: even though I generally loath heat. it's kinda nice having late july temps in may
[11:40] <coz_> darkmatter,  understood :)
[11:40] <darkmatter> because we had march temps up untillast week. including snow :P
[11:41] <coz_> darkmatter,  oh!  wow  its been fairly ok here just wet  and one frost
[11:41] <darkmatter> it was like, -2to -6 C average, then suddenly "boom!" barbecue season :D
[11:41] <coz_> :)
[11:43] <kwwii> hi all
[11:43] <darkmatter> speaking of barbecue. I should put the hibachi together
[11:43] <kwwii> hi darkmatter, coz_
[11:43] <darkmatter> hiya kwii
[11:43] <kwwii> you can send some of the nice weather to germany
[11:43] <coz_> kwwii,  hey guy
[11:43] <kwwii> it has been crap for the last 3 weeks
[11:43] <coz_> kwwii,  cold?
[11:44] <kwwii> cold and wet
[11:44] <coz_> eeeww
[11:44] <kwwii> in the mountains it has been snowing again
[11:44] <darkmatter> coz_: people keep telling me to get a real barbecue, but I only need to grill supper, not smoke a side of beef :P
[11:44] <coz_> darkmatter,  :)
[11:45] <kwwii> darkmatter: a hibachi can be a very good grill
[11:45] <kwwii> if one knows how to use it
[11:45] <darkmatter> kwwii: I wuv my hibachi
[11:45] <kwwii> darkmatter: I wish I could find one in germany
[11:45] <coz_> guys... I only got a couple hours sleep last night....damn iced tea.... i am going to a nap   be back a bit later  ... sorry for quick departure
[11:45] <kwwii> I already have two weber grills :p
[11:46] <darkmatter> :)
[11:47] <kwwii> hehe
[11:48] <darkmatter> kwwii: we had pretty crappy weather here until around the 12th. now we have an evil heat wave. crazy jetstream
[11:48] <kwwii> darkmatter: I would love a heat wave now
[11:48] <kwwii> funny this, I posted about using hugin
[11:48] <kwwii> and one of the comments is "hey, you're using a modified Ambiance!"
[11:49] <darkmatter> lol
[11:49] <kwwii> if they were only as attentive to my bzr branches
[11:49] <darkmatter> hehe
[11:54] <darkmatter> yay! only an hour and a half until I take my pharmaceutical breakfast! \o/
[11:54] <kwwii> the pink ones taste lovely
[11:55] <darkmatter> yes. but the little white ones taste like ammonia smells :/
[11:55] <kwwii> blah
[11:55] <kwwii> I guess they don't allow you to take it with a stiff drink
[11:56] <kwwii> whiskey for breakfast isn't probably the best idea anyway
[11:56] <darkmatter> allopurinal being the little white beasts in question
[11:56] <kwwii> the name sounds like it really cleans you out
[11:56] <darkmatter> kwwii: meh. I'll be able to have an occasional drink after my blood starts to recover
[11:57] <darkmatter> my bloodwork should hit rock bottom around monday or so, then start improving
[11:57] <kwwii> then I bet you'll really enjoy it
[11:58] <darkmatter> hehe. I bet ya I will. a little bit is a good thing :)
[11:58] <kwwii> my step dad has been having some pretty serious problems and i know he is looking forward to having his frist drink :-)
[11:59] <darkmatter> well. for me it's the FCR chemo regime. it kills the bone marrow and the lymphatic system (basically), so until it recovers a bit ethanol is kinda evil
[12:00] <darkmatter> breakfast is a handful of antibiotics. lol
[12:00] <kwwii> considering the kind of chemicals and what they are supposed to do it seems better
[12:01] <kwwii> do you have any dietary limitations?
[12:01] <kwwii> no alcohol or drugs is pretty clear
[12:01] <kwwii> think how bad it would get if they told you to only eat couscous or such :p
[12:02] <darkmatter> not particularly. basically if my digestive system can handle it I can eat it. I just lack an appetite and the ability to handle a full meal
[12:02] <kwwii> yeah, once the chemo is over that'll change
[12:03] <darkmatter> I'll have a sandwich or a salad, or a small bowl of a meal replacement cereal or whatever
[12:03] <kwwii> I suggest eating soups
[12:03] <kwwii> easier to digest
[12:04] <darkmatter> but heck. it's worth the suffering. FCR chemo is more effective than the crap I was on the last time
[12:04] <darkmatter> kwwii: I eat those too
[12:05] <darkmatter> chicken I can handle fairly well. and I can still stomach my seafood chowders :D
[12:05] <kwwii> do you cook yourself? if you ever need recipes or ideas, just ask
[12:06] <darkmatter> I always cook. I just have to avoid a few of my favorites (it's not so much a matter of dietary limitations as it is preventing ulcerations)
[12:06] <kwwii> yeah, that is what I thought
[12:07] <kwwii> nothing too spicy (and maybe avoid too many tomatoes)
[12:08] <darkmatter> I _love_ spicy stuff (as in peppers so high on the scoville scale they'd hospitalize most people :P). but because of the cyclophosphamide, it can lead to oral ulcerations, and thus potential infections
[12:08] <darkmatter> so I kinda need to not enjoy them for the time being
[12:09] <kwwii> luckily I live in germany so if I don't cook it myself it definitely won't be spicy
[12:09] <darkmatter> I indulged in a red desert tepin at my brothers, and it burnt the crap out of my lips :(
[12:09] <kwwii> even when they call it spicy, it's not spicy
[12:09] <kwwii> :-(
[12:10] <darkmatter> and they're so tasty too. little tiny capsicum about the size of a blueberry
[12:11] <kwwii> hehe, never had one
[12:14]  * thorwil still remembers the burn from when an indian colleague of his mother cooked dinner for the both families
[12:16] <darkmatter> occasionally I'll eat one raw (whatever variety), but I usually just use them as seasoning in curries and such. but at least I have a reason other than "nom" to indulge in my beloved spiciness. not only is capsicum an effective anti-cancer supplement, so are things like turmeric, etc. so curry++
[12:18] <darkmatter> kwwii: but anyway. the red desert tepin (also called the wild desert tepin) is the hottest species of capsicum on the planet. try at your own risk ;)
[12:22] <kwwii> darkmatter: wow, sounds scary...at least I know of one more thing to avoid :p
[12:22] <kwwii> I like it hot but not that hot
[12:22] <darkmatter> hehe
[12:24] <darkmatter> kwwii: most are fine as a seasoning. I just recommend most people avoid doing crazy thing like eating one whole and undiluted xD
[12:24] <kwwii> darkmatter: indeed :-)
[12:27] <kwwii> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1-Q_8EbB8A nice
[12:27] <darkmatter> they look so small, unassuming and harmless until you put one in your mouth. hehe
[12:29] <darkmatter> kwwii: win for big bang theory. even though sheldon's an idiot ;)
[12:29] <kwwii> we are now becoming mainstream
[12:29] <kwwii> lol
[12:30] <darkmatter> yup. once you're mentioned on a sitcom you know you're going places
[13:32] <vish> kwwii: hi.. could you send the originals? [the group foto] :)
[13:35] <vish> darkmatter: sheldon is the best ;p
[13:35] <darkmatter> :P
[13:56] <kwwii> vish: erm, that is 345+ MB of photos
[13:56] <vish> kwwii: oh , well then probably the two of the left side of the room would be enough .. ;)
[13:57] <kwwii> vish: none of my email will let me send 34.5MB files
[13:58] <thorwil> dropbox? ;p
[13:59] <vish> hrm.. if you can bzip it, it would probably be smaller ..
[14:00] <kwwii> the tiff files use LZW anyway
[14:00] <kwwii> I will try and put them in ubuntuone
[14:00] <kwwii> but only one of them to test
[14:00] <vish> ooo , U1 .. need to get that setup in my system :D
[14:01] <vish> somehow i kept having problems with it :/
[14:05] <kwwii> no worries, it will take forever to upload this to ubuntuone anyway
[14:20] <kwwii> ok, it is in my ubuntuone
[14:26] <vish> kwwii: yay , and public url is... ?
[14:27]  * vish plans on grabbing kwwii's flickr photos once he uploads his Brussels roll ;)
[14:31] <kwwii> ubuntuone.com/p/4Bw
[14:31] <kwwii> vish: most of my photos are already on my flickr page
[14:32] <vish> kwwii: Bruno's photos were neat , the room looks much more awesome in the photos ;)
[14:37] <kwwii> hehe, thanks
[16:29] <dmac> Enter text here...hello
[16:30] <dmac> anyone home
[16:30] <dmac> hello
[16:31] <pepsiman> What would I report a bug against to get http://www.ubuntu.com/files/countdown/1004/countdown-10.04-1/00.png changed?  It says "Its" where it should say "It's"
[16:31] <dmac> ?
[16:31] <dmac> i'm here looking for equipment.
[16:43] <vish> pepsiman: it might be late but , kwwii might know how to fix it ;)
[16:43] <vish> or how to get it fixed
[16:49] <pepsiman> ok, I've sent him an email
[21:30] <knome> anybody happen to know how to control the padding of foldertree items in thunderbird 3?
[21:42] <andreasn_> knome, sure
[21:42] <andreasn_> do you have the tb source code in front of you?
[21:43] <knome> andreasn_, no :P i have userchrome.css :P
[21:43] <knome> isn't there any other way?
[21:43] <knome> i'm also trying to find out if i can call system colors from the userchrome file
[21:43] <andreasn_> well, it's just that it's easier to see what to style if you have the folderpane.css in front of you
[21:43] <andreasn_> try treechildren
[21:43] <knome> where should i find that file? :)
[21:44] <knome> #folderTree treechildren { height: 3px !important;
[21:44] <knome> }
[21:44] <knome>  --> no effect
[21:45] <andreasn_> bbl
[21:46] <knome> there doesn't seem to be any padding related stuff in folderPane.css
[23:07] <andreasn_> knome, still around?
[23:08] <knome> andreasn_, yeah, and i actually found a partial solution
[23:08] <andreasn> ah, good
[23:08] <knome> still having hard time reverting some of the items BACK with more padding
[23:08] <knome> #folderTree treechildren::-moz-tree-row { margin-top: -1px; margin-bottom: -1px;
[23:08] <knome> }
[23:09] <knome> that worked for me
[23:09] <andreasn> DOM inspector is usually great, but it has a hard time with the treeviews sometimes
[23:09] <andreasn> ah, cool
[23:09] <knome> but it cuts the icons
[23:09] <knome> i've removed them from most items already, so not a *big* issue
[23:10] <andreasn> yeah, it's because of the -1px margins I guess
[23:11] <knome> yup.
[23:11] <andreasn> let me know if you run into any more issues, this is what I do all day long :)
[23:11] <knome> cool, i will
[23:12] <knome> going to sleep soonish but will get back to this tomorrow or at latest, the day after
[23:12] <knome> btw, you might be interested in my folderpanestyle for tb2; http://open.knome.fi/2009/10/16/a-compact-thunderbird-folderpane-revision-2/
[23:13] <andreasn> here is the folderpane.css btw http://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/file/7823da3c6bf2/mail/themes/gnomestripe/mail/folderPane.css
[23:13] <knome> i'm trying to achieve something similar but of course, with even more fixes and improvements
[23:13] <knome> yeah i found that, no use for that really
[23:13] <knome> margin-end == right
[23:14] <knome> and then there's just lots of image definitions
[23:14] <andreasn> yeah, that's so it works for left-to-right languages
[23:14] <andreasn> most of it is picked up from the global variables
[23:14] <knome> yeah
[23:14] <knome> well i don't need to think special cases
[23:15] <knome> i don't think i will publish this very widely, only posting a file in my blog
[23:15] <knome> if people get interested, then maybe...
[23:15] <andreasn> I like the idea a lot, I always end up with too many subfolders to get a good overview
[23:16] <knome> yeah. i wanted to see all my folders at once
[23:16] <knome> (and all my accounts...)
[23:16] <andreasn> are you looking into the messageheader pane and message pane as well?
[23:17] <knome> probably, but that's not my main focus and that will come later, if at all
[23:17] <knome> the folderpane is what i need working like it used to to be able to work effectively
[23:18] <knome> anyway, i'm going to sleep now so have a nice evening
[23:54] <]grimm[> Does someone here know what theme engine the latest updated Dust family themes in gnome-themes-ubuntu depends on?  I was using the old .5x series without a problem but when I just updated to the latest version that shipped with Lucid, I find that I'm losing colors and controls