[00:00] arand: BTW, abiword 2.8.4 just hit maverick [00:01] thank goodness :-) [00:01] does 2.8.4 fix a few problems? [00:02] Nice. [00:02] s/hit/uploaded/ [00:03] ajmitch: yes [00:03] It fixes the crash-on-help one, although that should hopefully be fixed with my svn cherrypick. [00:04] ...In lucid as well [00:04] not least of which is the xmlCleanupParser() madness [00:04] which historically makes pulse look bad, but it's in fact people not bloody reading the libxml2 API [00:04] uh [00:04] how does that have anything to do with pulse? :) [00:05] Uh, what? Was pulse involved in this? [00:05] calling xmlCleanupParser() multiple times tramples all over the pulse client's TLS vars [00:05] as a result, the offending pulse client (the program abusing xmlCleanupParser()) segfaults, with the stack trace pointing to pulse [00:06] oh that must have been a bundle of fun [00:06] I combed through the archive toward the end of the Lucid cycle to fix this [00:13] One good thing with a new abiword is that 2.8.2 seems to FTBFS on my MM system as well :/ [01:01] would a member of ~ubuntu-release please unsub the team from bug 568619 so I won't spam everyone? [01:01] Launchpad bug 568619 in gorm.app "FFe: Sync gorm.app 1.2.10-1 (universe) from Debian sid (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/568619 === nobawk|away is now known as nobawk === nobawk is now known as nobawk|away === nobawk|away is now known as nobawk [03:33] Hello, how can I fix this bashism: echo -e "text text \n text text \t text ..." ? [03:33] if I remove -e, it would work fine with dash, but not with bash [03:58] AnAnt: check the xpg_echo shell option and act appropriately [03:58] AnAnt: in bash, that is [03:59] crimsun: thanks, I used printf instead [05:07] evening all [05:13] hi imbrandon [05:14] heya ajmitch [05:17] so its kinda cool, i picked up this tiny 11inch dell from like 1999, its funny its like its got all the features of the new "mini"s just slower [05:18] got lucid loaded on it, but it dosent like gnome/unity much , toooooo slugish , like firefox takes 2 minutes to load [05:18] lol [05:18] so i got lucid but i apt-get installed fluxbox + a few other lighter apps and its great little mobile machine to use to ssh into other boxes etc [05:19] for free ;) [05:20] its 700mhz, so its not "terrible" [05:22] not bad [05:24] i think most of the slowness is the only 128mb ram, it maxes out at 256 says dells website if i can run accross a 256mb pc-100 sodimm at somepoint [05:25] sooo whats new in motu ? [05:27] ajmitch: http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/latl400/en/ug/specs.htm [05:27] heh === nobawk is now known as nobawk|away === nobawk|away is now known as nobawk [06:35] <_Andrew> #debian [06:35] <_Andrew> woops [07:00] <_Andrew> Anyone know why when I do "dh_install --sourcedir=debian/tmp --fail-missing" and inside my install script it has the following.. "usr/bin" my package fails to find something installed in debian/tmp/usr/bin/xyz ? [07:11] _Andrew: I may be mistaken, but I believe --fail-missing only fails if there are things in the temporary directory that are unallocated to any package, rather than if there are things missing from the temporary directory. [07:13] <_Andrew> Here's the error message.. "debian/tmp/usr/bin/cpack exists in debian/tmp/ but is not installed to anywhere" [07:14] good morning [07:14] <_Andrew> I'm using compatibility level 6 and have tried "debian/tmp/usr/bin", "debian/tmp/usr/bin/*", "usr/bin", "usr/bin/*" and probably some other combinations. [07:15] <_Andrew> It never seems to find it in the .install file [07:16] One of the changes in compatibility level 7 was some new logic to make the .install files make more sense :) [07:17] I tend to list stubborn files explicitly and individually. [07:18] <_Andrew> Can't because this package is for hardy [07:19] <_Andrew> Otherwise yes, I'd bump up the compat in a heartbeat :D [07:19] How did it work before you started fixing it? [07:20] <_Andrew> I specifically lists all the programs.. I think I already tried that. but I'll give it another go [07:20] <_Andrew> It** [07:20] That seems about right, from my memory. Best practice when working with older packages is to touch the absolute minimum. === nobawk is now known as nobawk|away === nobawk|away is now known as nobawk === nobawk is now known as nobawk|away === ApOgEE__ is now known as ApOgEE === wgrant_ is now known as wgrant [10:27] It's been a while since I've done Debian style packaging, but I'm looking to get back into it, I've got a package that has downloaded as: foo-0.2.1-source.tar.gz and extracts as foo-0.2.1-source, the example at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Howtos/PackagingFromScratchHelloDebhelper shows 'tar -xf hello-x.y.tar.gz hello-x.y' so my question is, does the -source matter, or is that something I have to rename out? [10:28] The name of the directory in the upstream tarball matters not at all. [10:29] It neither matters for dpkg-source, it though issues a warning which can get ignored. :) [10:30] When packaging inside a VCS I usually have the directory only named VCS for consistency issues. [10:31] Hi, I maintain a package on Debian that entered sid after the Lucid DIF. If I want it to be imported into maverick then do I have to file a bug or will it automatically happen after MM's DIF? [10:31] persia: Rhonda: great, thats for that (and thanks for the hint abotu the warning) [10:32] umang: It ought enter the NEW queue automatically. [10:33] umang: It hopefully will automatically happen _before_ MM's DIF. :) [10:33] … because after DIF there isn't any automatism for that anymore. [10:34] persia, Rhonda: so I don't need do anything for it to be included in maverick? [10:35] umang: It wouldn't hurt to track the progress through https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+queue but it ought require no action on your part. [10:37] persia, I'm not able to find it under any of the statuses. So I presume it will enter one of those queues later? [10:37] Right. The archive admins usually wait until the current packages sync has made significant progress before syncing the new packages. [10:38] persia, Thanks! :) [10:38] I'd recommend checking again in a week or so. if you still haven't seen it in any of the queues by a few weeks before DIF, then it may merit investigation. [10:38] With luck, you'll only ever notice it in DONE. [10:40] persia, Sure, I'll do that. :) [10:45] * Rhonda still waits for packages.ubuntu.com to display maverick … [10:45] … and for wesnoth-1.8 syned into maverick. ;) [12:15] Any schroot users? I am getting loads of messages of the following type, and it is starting to annoy me. I already tried to edit /etc/schroot/schroot.conf, but to no avail. [12:15] W: line 19 [karmic-0f03ab72-3520-4df4-a561-e3d55c218892]: Deprecated key 'run-exec-scripts' used [12:15] I: This option will be removed in the future; please update your configuration [12:15] W === nobawk|away is now known as nobawk [12:20] mok0: yeah, it's pretty annoying [12:20] mok0: do you have a "run-exec-scripts" line in your schroot.conf? [12:20] I removed it [12:21] and still this warning? [12:21] mok0: karmic-0f03ab72-3520-4df4-a561-e3d55c218892 means it's from a session [12:21] The only way I found to make that go away was to regenerate the schroots. [12:21] mok0: so umount those bind mounts and close all sessions [12:21] Lemme see [12:21] (I don't understand why schroot needs sessions anyway) [12:21] `schroot -e -c ${SESSIONID}` automates that. [12:22] azeem: Because sometimes you want to run several in parallel, or you might want to have persistent schroots for some reason, etc. [12:22] hrm [12:22] There are no mounted work volumes [12:22] persia: what is SESSIONID? [12:23] mok0: I'm not entirely sure. When I use schroot with lvm, the necessary magic value appears in the lvs output. [12:23] mok0: probably karmic-0f03ab72-3520-4df4-a561-e3d55c218892 or without the karmic- [12:23] * persia is still learning about schroot-without-lvm [12:23] I think it's with the karmic [12:23] persia: those should be a specially requested operation though, not the default [12:23] I assume sbuild is to blame here [12:24] azeem: Kinda. So, when sbuild crashes, the schroot doesn't close. this can be useful in many ways, but also annoying sometimes. [12:24] There are similar lines for my jaunty builder [12:25] By default, schroot opens a session, and closes it when complete. This is essential if one has configured schroots to be used on a multiuser box, or if one wants to do parallel builds with sbuild, etc. [12:25] You think I should enter the schroots, and make the change to /etc/schroot... etc there? [12:25] Keeping the session open after exit requires a special command-line argument. [12:25] mok0: That may work: regeneration is likely cleaner. [12:25] persia: yeah, sometimes the roots stay around even after the build finishes, but that's not the case for me now [12:27] persia: I'm not sure I understand "regenerate"... run mk-sbuild again? [12:27] What I did was remove the stanzas from schroot.conf, remove the storage (either LV or /var/lib/schroot/... ) and then rebuild them from scratch. [12:28] This is not necessarily the optimal solution. [12:28] persia: I have so many schroots [12:28] 13... [12:28] * persia wrote one-line wrapper script around mk-sbuild that day [12:29] Hmm :-) [12:30] for i in dapper hardy jaunty karmic lucid maverick; do for j in amd64 armel i386 powerpc; do mk-sbuild --arch=$j $i; done; done takes care of Ubuntu. Debian is similar. [12:30] * persia may have mistyped syntax [12:31] Note that this will take a while, and it is advised to be network-near a mirror of at least the buildd stuff. [12:31] (and use --debootstrap-mirror=...) [12:31] persia: fortunately, I have an apt-proxy [12:32] on the local network [12:32] That works too, at least for some subset :) [12:32] persia: can't remember... do you need to edit schroot.conf first? [12:33] I just deleted everything that I was replacing from there. [12:33] Also remember to remove the backing storage configuration, as mk-sbuild is a bit fragile about that. [12:33] *sigh* [12:34] * mok0 procrastinates: I think I'll do it... sometime [12:35] In fact, I might just figure out what part of sbuild issues those messages and zap them :-) [12:35] I'm sure it's something inside the schroot. if you figure out what, probably best to write an exec script that cleans up elderly schroots on intialisation. [12:39] Hm. Nothing inside the schroot === nobawk is now known as nobawk|away === ttx_ is now known as ttx === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger [13:13] does lucid have a buggy autoconf? it's generated a configure script with includedir=$PREFIX/include, instead of includedir=$PREFIX/usr/include, is there a standard fix for that? [13:15] G: What's wrong with that? includedir=$PREFIX/include seems to be correct to me? [13:15] … because usually PREFIX itself is /usr [13:16] is there any way I can verify what debuild is executing (such as -v) so I can see what it's passing to autoconf.sh? [13:17] G: try DH_VERBOSE=1 [13:17] (wild guess) [13:18] azeem: ohhh thanks [13:18] (it's been a while) === nobawk|away is now known as nobawk [13:30] hmmm, this is confusing I can't seem to get any debhelper logging :S [13:32] http://9w2pju.blogspot.com/2010/05/ubuntu-hams-t-shirt-artwork-from-9w2pju.html [13:32] what do you think? === nobawk is now known as nobawk|away [13:51] piju, Interesting. How is HAM radio related to Ubuntu? Just curious [13:51] Internet over HAM? === nobawk|away is now known as nobawk [13:53] mok0; join #ubuntu-hams [13:54] piju: I'm not a HAM operator. Just curious [13:54] ubuntu got lots of ham radio applications [13:54] try apt-cache search ham radio [13:55] shackbox is a distro for ham radio, made from ubuntu distro [13:55] you can use ubuntu for ham radio [13:55] http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/hamradio/ [13:55] morse code, APRS, echolink (VOIP), etc [13:55] design your antenna, and many more [13:55] Woa [13:55] Heh [13:56] where do you come from ? [13:56] Denmark. in this country, I think it is pretty near impossible to get a license unless you want to spend every free hour [13:56] you can ask your local ham radio club, how to get a ham license [13:57] we can talk over ham radio [13:57] piju: You need to learn morse code [13:57] im from Malaysia [13:57] mok0; in the US, no more morse code test [13:57] piju, what's wrong with IRC :-) [13:57] piju: yeah I read that [13:58] there is lot of open source developer who are ham radio too [13:58] #hamradio [13:58] piju: my interest in ham would be more like tunneling internet over it [13:58] yes, we have echolink for that [13:58] VOIP [13:58] i can talk using my pc to a man who are driving in England [13:58] and vice versa [13:59] piju, somehow I'm not impressed :-) [13:59] you can talk to astronout if you a ham radio [13:59] mok0; yes, i know that. you are generation of computer, not radio [13:59] piju: errh [13:59] even most advanced military still use radio [14:00] international space station too [14:00] piju: encrypted probably [14:01] encrypted ? [14:01] yes. for sure. military will use encryption [14:01] piju: I would assume that the military encrypt their radio communication. I may be wrong [14:02] ah [14:02] but, not for ham radio [14:02] piju: I see [14:02] ISS also not encrypting their broadcasting [14:02] you can listen to them [14:02] piju: that would be research thought [14:02] though [14:02] mok0; i know a ham radio from Denmark [14:02] piju: where? [14:03] where in dk I mean [14:03] i dont remember [14:03] but he is a ham [14:03] I think ham guys are pretty rare here [14:04] b/c of the steep requirements for getting a license === mathiaz_ is now known as mathiaz [14:10] how can i get someone to have a look at a package in revu? [14:10] By dropping in a hint with more content, like URL or package name or similar. [14:11] http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/revu1-incoming/fracplanet-1005071518/fracplanet_0.4.0-1ubuntu3.dsc it's a tool to create 3d fractal planets [14:12] http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/revu1-incoming/sea-defender-1005071521/sea-defender_0.9-1.dsc is a small recreational game where you defend oil tankers being hit by torpedos [14:12] Rhonda: thanks for the hint [14:13] so, last question for now (I'm about to head to bed), should I run this 'autogen.sh' and have it as a patch to the build, or should I add it to the debian/rules file? [14:15] G: which package/software is it? [14:16] tarzeau: it's a library (dep for an end package I'd like to do) qpixmap [14:16] tarzeau: the tarball comes with an autogen.sh file (they released straight from git) [14:17] G: i see [14:17] Doing it as a patch would be cleaner right? [14:17] G: the cleanest would be upstream releasing without you having to run it [14:18] true, but for now (while I contact upstream) [14:18] G: i don't know, all my upstreams cooperate on these things with me [14:18] so there isn't a given standard [14:22] G: i think that's the best i know about it: http://sam.zoy.org/lectures/20050910-debian/ [14:23] G: what does your autogen.sh do? [14:24] hey guys i have a question relating to a piece of software that has made some others in the current lucid repos obsolete [14:24] yes? [14:24] can anyone point or direct me as to the proper procedure in getting something into the next release [14:24] eagles0513875: what is it, url? [14:24] tarzeau: mysql workbench [14:24] it has replace mysql admin and query browser which are still in the repos [14:25] those have reached their eol [14:25] http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/workbench/5.2.html#downloads tarzeau [14:26] im more then willing to repackage it if need be as i need to learn about packaging and want to learn about it [14:26] eagles0513875: i have no idea. i wonder what the debian people do with the mysql packages... [14:26] tarzeau: that package was created upstream at mysql [14:27] i really don't know [14:27] tarzeau: basically everything except clean the kitchen sink (generates ./configure, Makefile's etc [14:28] G: any idea then how i should go about getting a new package into the new release and possibly backported to lucid [14:28] eagles0513875: i don't think backporting it to lucid makes sense here? [14:29] ill be back later to continue working on this [14:44] \o/ - seems like maverick sync is open, bug #109434 sent me a mail :) [14:44] Launchpad bug 109434 in wesnoth-1.8 "Installing a server for a game automatically auto-inits and runs every boot." [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109434 [14:49] Rhonda: they already synced on 9.5 if not earlier [14:54] tarzeau: Well, there was an ubuntu diff in lucid, so I guess that might be the reason for the "delay". [14:54] Rhonda: aha. any idea what happens with sea-defender and fracplanet now? [14:55] No clue, I don't have the time for that myself, sorry. === nobawk is now known as nobawk|away === nobawk|away is now known as nobawk [16:34] Does anyone package any vala apps for the repo? [16:35] Im looking for guidance about how to do the vala ppa stuff for quickly === nobawk is now known as nobawk|away === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [17:08] !info php5 [17:08] php5 (source: php5): server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (metapackage). In component main, is optional. Version 5.3.2-1ubuntu4.1 (lucid), package size 1 kB, installed size 20 kB === yofel_ is now known as yofel === nobawk|away is now known as nobawk [17:23] slangasek: you uploaded bug 519541 but didn't accept it or note your SRU approval? [17:23] Launchpad bug 519541 in abiword "Abiword 2.8.1 freezes with document lost when help is clicked or F1 is pressed" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/519541 [17:23] Riddell: I uploaded it in a sponsor capacity, would prefer a second vote of confidence from another SRU team member for the acceptance [17:45] hi, this channel was fullfilled by those who do some packaging work right ? - I'm trying the latest gnome-power-manager from git master but didn't finish to compile it becuase autogen quotes it needs gnome-keyring0 but there is no such package in ubuntu - what can I do ? [17:47] someone here ? [17:51] solved - hidden in libgnome-keyring-dev === kirkland` is now known as kirkland === mok0_ is now known as mok0 === erhesrhsrtb54vyh is now known as Elbrus === nobawk is now known as nobawk|away === nobawk|away is now known as nobawk [19:59] mannyv, will you take care of libclass-trait-perl merge/sync? [20:00] ari-tczew: i'll try to get to libjdic-java early next month [20:00] fabrice_sp, yeah I can look into that [20:01] mannyv, you're the one that last touched it :-) [20:02] micahg: I'm glad and amazed of yours memory and solidity :)) [20:03] ari-tczew: I noticed all the merges you were doing so I figured it would be on you mind ;) [20:04] micahg: yea, I'll try to merge libjdic-java if you'll have done fix ftbfs on debian :> [20:05] ari-tczew: I was going to merge in ubuntu first and then push the fixes up to debian [20:06] micahg: feel free, your choice :) [20:06] ari-tczew: k, thanks === mok0_ is now known as mok0 [21:02] how can I see if I have any packages that were installed that werent' from the repos that are currently running [21:03] ask google about ask-listrepository and grep for dpkg/status in its output [21:04] carstenh: thanks [21:23] carstenh: hm?? I'm not finding anything useful [21:27] MTecknology: sorry, a typo ... [21:28] MTecknology: bugs.debian.org/504460 [21:29] MTecknology: download it, run chmod a+x apt-listrepository and then ./apt-listrepository | grep dpkg/status [21:43] carstenh: thanks [22:05] fta: are you planning merge chromium-browser with debian unstable? [22:05] ari-tczew, no. please read the bug(s) as for why [22:06] ari-tczew, and remember debian used our package, not the opposite [22:08] fta: ok thanks for information === nobawk is now known as nobawk|away [23:14] hello === TheMuso` is now known as TheMuso