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Viking667hm. Why would a 1.3GHz Celeron not be able to handle Cafe World???00:14
Viking667(512Mb memory, xubuntu freshly installed)00:14
Viking667(oh, and Google Chrome, again, freshly installed.)00:16
MalkavianManiacprobably coz its got no bloody L2 cache00:24
MalkavianManiaci used to have a Celeron D, and it gave me nothing but problems00:25
Viking667yeesh. I can't exactly help that...00:25
MalkavianManiaccan you pastebin "cat /proc/cpuinfo"00:25
MalkavianManiaccat /proc/cpuinfo | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us00:26
Viking667not yet...00:27
Viking667hm. Now, how do I get pulseaudio out of here and still have a mixer I can tweak?00:29
Viking667I remember when I removed pulseaudio, Gnome wouldn't show me its mixer any more over on Ubuntu.00:29
Viking667what field are you after?00:30
MalkavianManiaccache00:31
Viking667cache size: 25600:31
MalkavianManiachehe, just as i thought00:31
MalkavianManiac256kb00:31
MalkavianManiactiny as hell00:31
MalkavianManiacumm, about pulse00:31
Viking667As I said, I can't do anything about the CPU.00:32
MalkavianManiacremove it and use the command line tool, alsamixer00:32
Viking667heh. The wife doesn't do commandline stuff... she's no geek.00:32
MalkavianManiaclol00:32
MalkavianManiacits a CLI GUI00:32
Viking667uh, I know.00:33
Viking667actually, it's a CLUI...00:33
MalkavianManiacumm, check for gephex in the repo's00:33
MalkavianManiacwait sorry00:34
MalkavianManiacthatl teach me to pull package names from googles description text00:34
MalkavianManiactry gamix00:35
Viking667mrm. How much memory does pulseaudio take up on the average invocation?00:35
MalkavianManiacnot sure00:35
MalkavianManiacbut its not nice on low end CPU's00:35
MalkavianManiacmade all the difference in the world on my 400mhz G4 PowerPC00:36
Viking667Right.00:36
MalkavianManiachttp://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/gamix00:36
MalkavianManiacyour in luck, gamix exists for lucid00:37
* Viking667 wonders how to shoot pulseaudio without losing several of the other packages that make up Ubuntu/Xubuntu00:37
Viking667ouch... 156Mb!!!00:38
Viking667holey!!! load's up to 5.800:38
MalkavianManiachehe, today im gonna take a copy of ubtunu 10.04 into one of the local computer shops and see what they thinkl00:43
Viking667eep. I even reformatted to ext3 because I thought that may have had some effect.00:43
Viking667I thought that ext3 might have been lighter on the system than ext4 was.00:43
Viking667awww, crap. Removing pulseaudio removes these:  abiword, gnome-settings-daemon, libasound2-plugins, and xubuntu-desktop (which is a meta-package anyhow)00:46
MalkavianManiachrmm00:46
MalkavianManiacthere must be a way top ignore dependencies00:47
Viking667I'm removing abiword anyhow but why oh why do I have to lose gnome-settings-daemon and libasound2-plugins?00:47
Viking667oh, I wish.00:47
Viking667Ofcourse, I could always rename the pulseaudio binary... heh heh heh, but then the soundmixer will get pissy00:48
MalkavianManiaclol00:53
MalkavianManiacyou could remove it from the runlevel00:54
Viking667ooo. even better.00:56
Viking667Right. How do I do that? it's not in /etc/init00:58
Viking667Come to think of it, how do I find out what runlevel this even is?00:58
MalkavianManiacumm00:58
MalkavianManiacits 500:59
MalkavianManiacgimme a bit to reboot into ubuntu00:59
MalkavianManiacwont be a minute or so00:59
_Techie_how long did that take?01:01
_Techie_okay, the runlevel 5 directory is /etc/rc5.d/01:01
_Techie_so rname S50pulseaduio to K50pulseaudio01:02
_Techie_sudo mv /etc/rc5.d/S50pulseaudio /etc/rc5.d/K50pulseaudio01:03
Viking667hang on. Darn things  started pulseaudio anyhow.01:05
Viking667I'll have to kill a program.01:05
_Techie_pulseaudio --kill01:07
_Techie_oh yeah01:07
_Techie_its also in runlevel 301:07
_Techie_sudo mv /etc/rc3.d/S50pulseaudio /etc/rc3.d/K50pulseaudio01:07
_Techie_and in 401:08
_Techie_and in 201:08
_Techie_and im taking a wild guess at 1 too01:08
_Techie_its already disabled in 1 though01:08
Viking667I also changed the runlevels in the script too, but when I run "service pulseaudio stop" it says" Pulseaudio: configured for per-user sessions01:09
Viking667(or something like that)01:09
Viking667now i just need to know how to shoot it01:12
_Techie_disable it in all the runlevels and ou should be fine01:13
Viking667nup.01:13
_Techie_its in 2, 3, 4 and 5 under the name S50pulseaudio01:13
Viking667it's starting up manually... not from init levels01:14
_Techie_/etc/rc5.2/S50pulseaudio    /etc/rc3.d/S50pulseaudio    /etc/rc4.d/S50pulseaudio    /etc/rc5.d/S50pulseaudio01:14
_Techie_or01:14
_Techie_you could run a kill script at login01:14
Viking667mrm.01:15
_Techie_anyway, im gonna have a shower... then a shave clean the kitchen up a bit and head into town01:15
Viking667ta.01:15
Viking667thank you.01:15
_Techie_http://i.imgur.com/mkXLc.jpg01:30
haywireI'm having a desktop problem with xubuntu 9.10.  It seems like after taking an update(?) my panels have all disappeared, and when I try to add them back by right-clicking the desktop and click settings>panel> I get ignored...01:43
_Techie_!panels01:43
ubottuDid your panels disappear? Press alt+f2 and run: xfce4-panel | See also: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XubuntuPanels | Want to theme your panels? See http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2007/10/12/howto-set-a-background-image-for-your-panel/01:43
haywireThanks, will try... any ideas as to what made 'em disappear? Kids swear they didn't mess with it... last time i used it was working fine...01:44
haywireO.k. - that worked... There's obviously a lot I don't yet understand about xubuntu (and linux!)01:46
_Techie_win7 time02:10
VIMIWho your looking at02:14
VIMIyes02:19
VIMIyou02:19
VIMIKeep watching, or start kicking02:23
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cha0sHey guys, maybe a dumb question but is there any way to set a global shortcut that involves mouse?04:32
cha0sLike, I want to run a program on super + mouse wheel up04:33
owen1new install, 9.10. i had internet but i lost all connection(including wired). what is the name of the app that shows my connections?05:00
owen1it's not running, i think05:00
owen1sudo dhclient eth0 gave me the wired.05:02
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Sysi!network | owen106:10
ubottuowen1: Wireless documentation, including how-to guides and troubleshooting information, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs06:10
Sysixubuntu uses networkmanager \ nm-applet06:10
visitor1hi there, is there a way to restart the desktop? my desktop backgound has changed, xfce4-panel restart didnt bring it back06:56
Sysichange it from settings? (right click or menu)06:57
Sysiloggin out and back in should do it also06:58
moetuneskillall -v xfdesktop && xfdesktop &06:58
visitor1xfdesktop: no process found06:59
visitor1change desktop background doesnt do anything07:00
moetuneswhat did the background change to?07:00
visitor1it dint change07:00
moetunesvisitor1> my desktop backgound has changed07:00
moetunesthat's a quote07:00
visitor1the colour has changed, it isnt anymore my setting07:01
moetunesk - to what color - black? or...07:01
visitor1and right click and change desktop backgournd doesnt react07:01
visitor1sort of brown colour07:02
Sysiit's just crashed, that's pure x now07:02
moetunesxf desktop controls the background so if it isn't running you won't be able to change the background07:02
moetuness/xf desktop/xfdesktop07:03
visitor1can i restart it without reboot?07:03
moetunesdid the    xfdesktop &   part restart xfdesktop?07:03
Sysidid you try relogin?07:04
visitor1xfdesktop && xfdesktop & <-----just started it again :)07:04
moetunesgot the wallpaper back then ?07:04
visitor1but it isnt running in the background, the terminal is blocked, no wallpaper just colour gradient07:05
moetunesctrl+c to kill it in terminal and use alt+f2 and then type xfdesktop07:06
visitor1ok, it isnt blocked, return produced a new line its ok07:06
moetunesgreat :]07:06
visitor1thanks folks :)07:07
moetuneshappy to help :]07:07
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_chris_hey all, when using rdekstop, can i somehow set the window size ?08:45
_chris_its pretty small by standart08:45
_chris_ah ok08:47
_chris_-g08:47
moetunes_chris_: answering you're own questions through irc is a novel approach :]08:48
_chris_haha :-D08:50
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zahranneed help ubuntu 9.10 cannot detect usb hard disk11:23
* Viking667 departs11:24
zahranhelp please11:25
mAritzhey. i'm switching between qwertz and colemak keyboard layout, because i want to learn colemak. i have a script that rebinds Caps_Lock to Backspace with xmodmap. that somehow only works in qwertz. as soon as i switch to colemak Caps_Lock just does nothing. if i switch back to qwertz, it's backspace again. (without needing to execute the script again)11:28
mAritzthat's only one of the behaviours though. sometimes, it's doing something different (like normal caps_ function in qwertz and delete in colemak).11:29
zahranhelp please ...11:36
moetuneszahran: does it show in   sudo fdisk -l   ?11:45
zahranwait . need to restart \11:46
moetunesk11:46
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Lartza_Can the installer resize Windows NTFS partition?14:57
Lartza_Win7 partition14:57
Lartza_And does Win7 even like to have dual-boot Linux?14:57
Sysi!dualboot14:58
ubottuDual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo - MACs: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro https://help.ubuntu.com/community/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot14:58
Lartza_Thanks14:58
Pres-GasAs a general-ease-of-use practice, Lartza_, it is good to install the windows side first as the ubu's can see the Win install, but Windows will just install its own bootloader only for itself.15:03
Lartza_Yea, my friend is installing, I have used linux for couple years myself and only dual-booted winxp with partitioning done on windwos install :)15:06
Lartza_How about swap size? he has 4gb ram and wants to use hibernate15:11
Lartza_4gb swap?15:11
Sysishould be enough15:12
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Pres-GasLartza_, what does your friend plan on doing with the machine and how big is the drive overall?15:13
Lartza_dual-boot win7 xubuntu normal desktop usage, around 250gt hard drive15:13
Lartza_*35015:13
Lartza_He plans 50gb for ubuntu, then 4gb for swab15:14
Pres-GasI had a machine with 8gigs of ram and used it for desktop and vmware workstation and rarely touched my swap.15:15
Pres-Gas...if I had multiple vms (3+) running, swap was used, but just remember that swap is slower than ram and if you end up not using swap much...that 4gigs of swap is pretty much wasted on sitting idle15:16
Lartza_Pres-Gas: But hibernate15:17
Pres-Gasahhh...laptop...yes perhaps 4 gigs would be good15:18
Lartza_4gt is not much, i'll just tell him to have 4gb swap and 51gb ext415:18
Lartza_Not a laptop :D15:18
Lartza_Well another computer of his is15:18
Lartza_Netbook, and we haven't discussed about install to that yet15:18
Lartza_He's resizing windows partition now15:19
Aicasnhi all16:05
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Pres-Gashey, Aicasn16:16
Aicasnvery quiet in here....16:17
Aicasnhow is everyone doing with 10.04?16:19
Sysithere's some thunar bug (that i haven't experienced) and sometimes problem with usb mount16:20
Pres-GasSysi, do you use the details view?16:21
Pres-GasI think it only impacts that one view16:21
Sysii guess no, i didn't knew what it is16:22
Pres-GasAicasn, I thought the migration from T-bird 2 to 3 was a little rough, but I chalk it up to add-ons mostly.16:25
Pres-GasOtherwise, I am quite pleased!16:25
Aicasn :)16:25
Aicasncan someone give more details on Sysi's usb mount bug, or throw up a link?16:26
Pres-GasNot sure what specific bug is referred to, Aicasn but here is a list...direct references are marked as incomplete:16:30
Pres-Gashttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=mount+usb&orderby=-datecreated&search=Search16:30
Sysimy internet is a bit slow today...16:30
Aicasnwow. there are quite a few usb issues16:41
Pres-GasNote:  Some of those are old or not completed, etc.16:42
Aicasnnoted16:42
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Lartza_My friend says his live cd asks for login18:55
Lartza_On "Install Xubuntu"18:56
charlie-tcaIt might, due to the parallel processing, I think18:56
Lartza_?? :S18:56
charlie-tcaUsername is 'ubuntu'18:56
charlie-tcahit enter for password18:56
charlie-tcait will go to the desktop18:56
Lartza_Then he will choose install from the desktop?18:57
charlie-tcaI have seen it about 1 in 100 times18:57
charlie-tcayes18:57
Lartza_Okey, thanks18:57
melsuhallo19:05
melsuCan anyone help with grub?19:06
Pres-GasAsk and you will see, melsu19:06
Lartza_My friend can't login19:19
Lartza_He logins as ubuntu, some code flashes by and login screen comes up again19:20
Lartza_livecd19:21
Pres-GasLartza_, where did you get the iso?19:28
Pres-Gas...and how long ago19:29
Lartza_Pres-Gas: today from se site19:32
Lartza_se as in sweden19:32
Pres-Gasahhh19:32
Lartza_Europe from download page19:32
Pres-Gasdid you do an md5sum check?19:32
Lartza_No md5 check19:32
Lartza_:)19:32
* Pres-Gas does not always check either. ;)19:32
Lartza_And it's my friend19:33
Lartza_I only have contact with him on wlm(msn)19:33
slow-motionhi19:33
Lartza_he says, "Install Xubuntu" goes to login screen19:33
Lartza_and he can't login from there19:33
Lartza_nor the "try xubuntu without..." login19:33
Pres-GasI would advise him to try another mirror and burn that.  However, the Install Xubu selection should not dump you to a login screen, so something is wrong.19:34
Lartza_isn't there a way to test the cd from the cd?19:34
Pres-GasYeah....something like "Check media for defects", though I am not sure exactly how that goes about doing it19:35
Pres-GasIt would be shorter to redownload and burn from another mirror though19:35
Pres-GasOr your friend could do both, Lartza_19:36
oelsen'evening. i installed xubuntu on a apace-net-book. how can i add inofficial source lists and where can i find them?19:44
Lartza_!download19:45
ubottuUbuntu installation CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com - Mirrors can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors - PLEASE use the !torrents to download !Lucid, and help keeping the servers' load low!19:45
Lartza_!md519:46
ubottuTo verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows19:46
Sysi!botabuse19:46
ubottuPlease investigate with me only with "/msg ubottu Bot" or in #ubuntu-bots.  Search for factoids with "/msg ubottu !search factoid".19:46
Lartza_Sorry! :)19:46
Sysioelsen: for what you're gona need those?19:46
oelseni want to intall newlisp and i can't find it in the manager19:46
Pres-Gasoelsen, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas19:47
charlie-tcahmmm, What if the install completed already on that login?20:03
Pres-GasOOOOhhhh, good point, charlie-tca20:06
PMantishi guys. I have Xubuntu as an LTSP server, and I need to disable the shutdown, hibernate, reboot, restart options. When the users click Log Out, I simply want a "Are you sure?", and that's about it. Google hasn't helped me so far.20:46
AicasnPMantis: i'm no expert, but that sounds more like an xfce question than a xubuntu question.  tried #xfce ?  (or ##xfce)20:51
PMantisAicasn: Will try now.20:52
veramentNoobciao, ho una fastidiosissima finestra che  mi continua a lampeggiare senza contenuto. Qualcuno potebbe darmi una mano perr cortesia?22:11
knome!it | veramentNoob22:12
ubottuveramentNoob: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi « /join #ubuntu-it » senza virgolette)22:12
veramentNoobtnx ...i've got only 20 minutes testing new os :)22:13
charlie-tcaknome: you installed the xubuntu-gdm-theme package, right?22:41
knomecharlie-tca, yes, that's installed22:44
knomei need to get a shower. i'll be back in a sec.22:45
knomecharlie-tca, i'm back for a while before going to bed, if you want to tackle the issue22:52
charlie-tcaI'm at a loss. I looked through everything installed to try and find what might be missing, and the xubuntu package is the only thing I found.22:53
knomeyeah22:53
knomecharlie-tca, i suppose there is still no "official" way to change cdm theme?22:53
charlie-tcano, gnome didn't do it yet22:54
knome(afaik gdm2setup can do that, but it's not even in the repositories)22:54
charlie-tcaIt's a tangled mess, and gnome3 is going to be worse, I think22:55
knomeactually22:55
knomegdm2theme shows my gtk theme is albatross22:55
knomeand that my wallpaper is the tree with the birds22:55
knomei wonder if it's an nvidia issue after all22:55
charlie-tcaThat has to be possible.22:56
charlie-tcaDepending on the actual card, nvidia is doing strange things22:56
knomewell, i'm going to have a new in some days and really don't have time to work on this bug enough before that..22:57
charlie-tcaOkay. If you do find the answer, let me know, please.22:58
knomei will, but i really doubt that22:58
charlie-tcaheh22:58
knomeit's only login manager, not a showstopper22:58
knomewell, not stopping me from working22:59
charlie-tcaYou know more about the art than I do. If you can't fix it...22:59
knomei'm not that wise in the technical side of the art, though22:59
knomemy latest undertaking is tb3 folderpane23:00
charlie-tcaAnd you don't have knowledge? I don't think I could tackle that. OTOH, I tried tb3 and did not like it at all ;-)23:03
knomewell, the basic looks was a nightmare23:03
knomei'm more into something like this: http://emonk.fi/temp/tb3_folderpane_wip.png23:03
charlie-tcaThat's not bad23:05
knomeapart from the default folderpane style, i think the new tb is okay23:05
knomeyeah, i still need to tackle some padding issues23:05
charlie-tcaSwitching from claws-mail, it is not even close to okay for me23:06
knomeheh23:06
knomewell you can affect most things, fortunately23:06
knomethe downside is that it is not very easy at all times...23:06
knomei'm not sure if i NEED tabbed mail-reading23:07
charlie-tcayup23:07
charlie-tcaheh23:07
knomei mean, that's a bit overkill...23:07
charlie-tcaYou do it tb now23:07
knomekind of. i'll try to find out how to disable the tabs next23:07
knome;)23:07
charlie-tcayou can do it... where there's a will, there is a way23:08
knomesure23:09
knomewell23:10
knomei kind of like the idea of opening the messages in tabs23:10
knomebut only kind of, because when i open a message i usually want to move it somewhere else than the main tb window23:11
slow-motionn823:17
knomenight people :)23:18
charlie-tcagood night23:19
gigasofthi all23:33
gigasofti want ti save ram, so does xubuntu job?23:33
gigasoftany help?23:34
charlie-tcaHow much ram do you have?23:35
gigasoft2gb23:36
gigasoftkubuntu use 123:36
gigasoftwith out any running program23:37
gigasoftbut i have 64 bit os system, does it mater?23:37
gigasoftsomehow..23:37
gigasoftor do i have to install 32 bit..23:38
charlie-tcaIt will probably use less than that, but I don't know how much. It depends on the applications you use23:38
gigasoftok23:38
charlie-tcaYou can install either one23:38
gigasoftthanks23:38
gigasoftand does kde runs under kubuntu?23:39
gigasoftor that is bad idea?23:39
nrodineHello23:42
nrodineI have a clean install, latest version of Xubuntu, I want to be able to display my screen on my laptop on my TV, I have the right cords, but when I plug them in, it doesn't do anything23:42
nrodineAnd I know the cords work, they worked when it was v9.04 and they work on windows currently23:43
nrodineI am using an S-video cable23:44
charlie-tca!xrandr | nrodine23:53
ubottunrodine: XRandR 1.2 is the new method of running dual screens in !X.  Information/HowTo here: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR1223:53

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