[00:14] <Viking667> hm. Why would a 1.3GHz Celeron not be able to handle Cafe World???
[00:14] <Viking667> (512Mb memory, xubuntu freshly installed)
[00:16] <Viking667> (oh, and Google Chrome, again, freshly installed.)
[00:24] <MalkavianManiac> probably coz its got no bloody L2 cache
[00:25] <MalkavianManiac> i used to have a Celeron D, and it gave me nothing but problems
[00:25] <Viking667> yeesh. I can't exactly help that...
[00:25] <MalkavianManiac> can you pastebin "cat /proc/cpuinfo"
[00:26] <MalkavianManiac> cat /proc/cpuinfo | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us
[00:27] <Viking667> not yet...
[00:29] <Viking667> hm. Now, how do I get pulseaudio out of here and still have a mixer I can tweak?
[00:29] <Viking667> I remember when I removed pulseaudio, Gnome wouldn't show me its mixer any more over on Ubuntu.
[00:30] <Viking667> what field are you after?
[00:31] <MalkavianManiac> cache
[00:31] <Viking667> cache size: 256
[00:31] <MalkavianManiac> hehe, just as i thought
[00:31] <MalkavianManiac> 256kb
[00:31] <MalkavianManiac> tiny as hell
[00:31] <MalkavianManiac> umm, about pulse
[00:32] <Viking667> As I said, I can't do anything about the CPU.
[00:32] <MalkavianManiac> remove it and use the command line tool, alsamixer
[00:32] <Viking667> heh. The wife doesn't do commandline stuff... she's no geek.
[00:32] <MalkavianManiac> lol
[00:32] <MalkavianManiac> its a CLI GUI
[00:33] <Viking667> uh, I know.
[00:33] <Viking667> actually, it's a CLUI...
[00:33] <MalkavianManiac> umm, check for gephex in the repo's
[00:34] <MalkavianManiac> wait sorry
[00:34] <MalkavianManiac> thatl teach me to pull package names from googles description text
[00:35] <MalkavianManiac> try gamix
[00:35] <Viking667> mrm. How much memory does pulseaudio take up on the average invocation?
[00:35] <MalkavianManiac> not sure
[00:35] <MalkavianManiac> but its not nice on low end CPU's
[00:36] <MalkavianManiac> made all the difference in the world on my 400mhz G4 PowerPC
[00:36] <Viking667> Right.
[00:36] <MalkavianManiac> http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/gamix
[00:37] <MalkavianManiac> your in luck, gamix exists for lucid
[00:37]  * Viking667 wonders how to shoot pulseaudio without losing several of the other packages that make up Ubuntu/Xubuntu
[00:38] <Viking667> ouch... 156Mb!!!
[00:38] <Viking667> holey!!! load's up to 5.8
[00:43] <MalkavianManiac> hehe, today im gonna take a copy of ubtunu 10.04 into one of the local computer shops and see what they thinkl
[00:43] <Viking667> eep. I even reformatted to ext3 because I thought that may have had some effect.
[00:43] <Viking667> I thought that ext3 might have been lighter on the system than ext4 was.
[00:46] <Viking667> awww, crap. Removing pulseaudio removes these:  abiword, gnome-settings-daemon, libasound2-plugins, and xubuntu-desktop (which is a meta-package anyhow)
[00:46] <MalkavianManiac> hrmm
[00:47] <MalkavianManiac> there must be a way top ignore dependencies
[00:47] <Viking667> I'm removing abiword anyhow but why oh why do I have to lose gnome-settings-daemon and libasound2-plugins?
[00:47] <Viking667> oh, I wish.
[00:48] <Viking667> Ofcourse, I could always rename the pulseaudio binary... heh heh heh, but then the soundmixer will get pissy
[00:53] <MalkavianManiac> lol
[00:54] <MalkavianManiac> you could remove it from the runlevel
[00:56] <Viking667> ooo. even better.
[00:58] <Viking667> Right. How do I do that? it's not in /etc/init
[00:58] <Viking667> Come to think of it, how do I find out what runlevel this even is?
[00:58] <MalkavianManiac> umm
[00:59] <MalkavianManiac> its 5
[00:59] <MalkavianManiac> gimme a bit to reboot into ubuntu
[00:59] <MalkavianManiac> wont be a minute or so
[01:01] <_Techie_> how long did that take?
[01:01] <_Techie_> okay, the runlevel 5 directory is /etc/rc5.d/
[01:02] <_Techie_> so rname S50pulseaduio to K50pulseaudio
[01:03] <_Techie_> sudo mv /etc/rc5.d/S50pulseaudio /etc/rc5.d/K50pulseaudio
[01:05] <Viking667> hang on. Darn things  started pulseaudio anyhow.
[01:05] <Viking667> I'll have to kill a program.
[01:07] <_Techie_> pulseaudio --kill
[01:07] <_Techie_> oh yeah
[01:07] <_Techie_> its also in runlevel 3
[01:07] <_Techie_> sudo mv /etc/rc3.d/S50pulseaudio /etc/rc3.d/K50pulseaudio
[01:08] <_Techie_> and in 4
[01:08] <_Techie_> and in 2
[01:08] <_Techie_> and im taking a wild guess at 1 too
[01:08] <_Techie_> its already disabled in 1 though
[01:09] <Viking667> I also changed the runlevels in the script too, but when I run "service pulseaudio stop" it says" Pulseaudio: configured for per-user sessions
[01:09] <Viking667> (or something like that)
[01:12] <Viking667> now i just need to know how to shoot it
[01:13] <_Techie_> disable it in all the runlevels and ou should be fine
[01:13] <Viking667> nup.
[01:13] <_Techie_> its in 2, 3, 4 and 5 under the name S50pulseaudio
[01:14] <Viking667> it's starting up manually... not from init levels
[01:14] <_Techie_> /etc/rc5.2/S50pulseaudio    /etc/rc3.d/S50pulseaudio    /etc/rc4.d/S50pulseaudio    /etc/rc5.d/S50pulseaudio
[01:14] <_Techie_> or
[01:14] <_Techie_> you could run a kill script at login
[01:15] <Viking667> mrm.
[01:15] <_Techie_> anyway, im gonna have a shower... then a shave clean the kitchen up a bit and head into town
[01:15] <Viking667> ta.
[01:15] <Viking667> thank you.
[01:30] <_Techie_> http://i.imgur.com/mkXLc.jpg
[01:43] <haywire> I'm having a desktop problem with xubuntu 9.10.  It seems like after taking an update(?) my panels have all disappeared, and when I try to add them back by right-clicking the desktop and click settings>panel> I get ignored...
[01:43] <_Techie_> !panels
[01:44] <haywire> Thanks, will try... any ideas as to what made 'em disappear? Kids swear they didn't mess with it... last time i used it was working fine...
[01:46] <haywire> O.k. - that worked... There's obviously a lot I don't yet understand about xubuntu (and linux!)
[02:10] <_Techie_> win7 time
[02:14] <VIMI> Who your looking at
[02:19] <VIMI> yes
[02:19] <VIMI> you
[02:23] <VIMI> Keep watching, or start kicking
[04:32] <cha0s> Hey guys, maybe a dumb question but is there any way to set a global shortcut that involves mouse?
[04:33] <cha0s> Like, I want to run a program on super + mouse wheel up
[05:00] <owen1> new install, 9.10. i had internet but i lost all connection(including wired). what is the name of the app that shows my connections?
[05:00] <owen1> it's not running, i think
[05:02] <owen1> sudo dhclient eth0 gave me the wired.
[06:10] <Sysi> !network | owen1
[06:10] <Sysi> xubuntu uses networkmanager \ nm-applet
[06:56] <visitor1> hi there, is there a way to restart the desktop? my desktop backgound has changed, xfce4-panel restart didnt bring it back
[06:57] <Sysi> change it from settings? (right click or menu)
[06:58] <Sysi> loggin out and back in should do it also
[06:58] <moetunes> killall -v xfdesktop && xfdesktop &
[06:59] <visitor1> xfdesktop: no process found
[07:00] <visitor1> change desktop background doesnt do anything
[07:00] <moetunes> what did the background change to?
[07:00] <visitor1> it dint change
[07:00] <moetunes> visitor1> my desktop backgound has changed
[07:00] <moetunes> that's a quote
[07:01] <visitor1> the colour has changed, it isnt anymore my setting
[07:01] <moetunes> k - to what color - black? or...
[07:01] <visitor1> and right click and change desktop backgournd doesnt react
[07:02] <visitor1> sort of brown colour
[07:02] <Sysi> it's just crashed, that's pure x now
[07:02] <moetunes> xf desktop controls the background so if it isn't running you won't be able to change the background
[07:03] <moetunes> s/xf desktop/xfdesktop
[07:03] <visitor1> can i restart it without reboot?
[07:03] <moetunes> did the    xfdesktop &   part restart xfdesktop?
[07:04] <Sysi> did you try relogin?
[07:04] <visitor1> xfdesktop && xfdesktop & <-----just started it again :)
[07:04] <moetunes> got the wallpaper back then ?
[07:05] <visitor1> but it isnt running in the background, the terminal is blocked, no wallpaper just colour gradient
[07:06] <moetunes> ctrl+c to kill it in terminal and use alt+f2 and then type xfdesktop
[07:06] <visitor1> ok, it isnt blocked, return produced a new line its ok
[07:06] <moetunes> great :]
[07:07] <visitor1> thanks folks :)
[07:07] <moetunes> happy to help :]
[08:45] <_chris_> hey all, when using rdekstop, can i somehow set the window size ?
[08:45] <_chris_> its pretty small by standart
[08:47] <_chris_> ah ok
[08:47] <_chris_> -g
[08:48] <moetunes> _chris_: answering you're own questions through irc is a novel approach :]
[08:50] <_chris_> haha :-D
[11:23] <zahran> need help ubuntu 9.10 cannot detect usb hard disk
[11:24]  * Viking667 departs
[11:25] <zahran> help please
[11:28] <mAritz> hey. i'm switching between qwertz and colemak keyboard layout, because i want to learn colemak. i have a script that rebinds Caps_Lock to Backspace with xmodmap. that somehow only works in qwertz. as soon as i switch to colemak Caps_Lock just does nothing. if i switch back to qwertz, it's backspace again. (without needing to execute the script again)
[11:29] <mAritz> that's only one of the behaviours though. sometimes, it's doing something different (like normal caps_ function in qwertz and delete in colemak).
[11:36] <zahran> help please ...
[11:45] <moetunes> zahran: does it show in   sudo fdisk -l   ?
[11:46] <zahran> wait . need to restart \
[11:46] <moetunes> k
[14:57] <Lartza_> Can the installer resize Windows NTFS partition?
[14:57] <Lartza_> Win7 partition
[14:57] <Lartza_> And does Win7 even like to have dual-boot Linux?
[14:58] <Sysi> !dualboot
[14:58] <Lartza_> Thanks
[15:03] <Pres-Gas> As a general-ease-of-use practice, Lartza_, it is good to install the windows side first as the ubu's can see the Win install, but Windows will just install its own bootloader only for itself.
[15:06] <Lartza_> Yea, my friend is installing, I have used linux for couple years myself and only dual-booted winxp with partitioning done on windwos install :)
[15:11] <Lartza_> How about swap size? he has 4gb ram and wants to use hibernate
[15:11] <Lartza_> 4gb swap?
[15:12] <Sysi> should be enough
[15:13] <Pres-Gas> Lartza_, what does your friend plan on doing with the machine and how big is the drive overall?
[15:13] <Lartza_> dual-boot win7 xubuntu normal desktop usage, around 250gt hard drive
[15:13] <Lartza_> *350
[15:14] <Lartza_> He plans 50gb for ubuntu, then 4gb for swab
[15:15] <Pres-Gas> I had a machine with 8gigs of ram and used it for desktop and vmware workstation and rarely touched my swap.
[15:16] <Pres-Gas> ...if I had multiple vms (3+) running, swap was used, but just remember that swap is slower than ram and if you end up not using swap much...that 4gigs of swap is pretty much wasted on sitting idle
[15:17] <Lartza_> Pres-Gas: But hibernate
[15:18] <Pres-Gas> ahhh...laptop...yes perhaps 4 gigs would be good
[15:18] <Lartza_> 4gt is not much, i'll just tell him to have 4gb swap and 51gb ext4
[15:18] <Lartza_> Not a laptop :D
[15:18] <Lartza_> Well another computer of his is
[15:18] <Lartza_> Netbook, and we haven't discussed about install to that yet
[15:19] <Lartza_> He's resizing windows partition now
[16:05] <Aicasn> hi all
[16:16] <Pres-Gas> hey, Aicasn
[16:17] <Aicasn> very quiet in here....
[16:19] <Aicasn> how is everyone doing with 10.04?
[16:20] <Sysi> there's some thunar bug (that i haven't experienced) and sometimes problem with usb mount
[16:21] <Pres-Gas> Sysi, do you use the details view?
[16:21] <Pres-Gas> I think it only impacts that one view
[16:22] <Sysi> i guess no, i didn't knew what it is
[16:25] <Pres-Gas> Aicasn, I thought the migration from T-bird 2 to 3 was a little rough, but I chalk it up to add-ons mostly.
[16:25] <Pres-Gas> Otherwise, I am quite pleased!
[16:25] <Aicasn>  :)
[16:26] <Aicasn> can someone give more details on Sysi's usb mount bug, or throw up a link?
[16:30] <Pres-Gas> Not sure what specific bug is referred to, Aicasn but here is a list...direct references are marked as incomplete:
[16:30] <Pres-Gas> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=mount+usb&orderby=-datecreated&search=Search
[16:30] <Sysi> my internet is a bit slow today...
[16:41] <Aicasn> wow. there are quite a few usb issues
[16:42] <Pres-Gas> Note:  Some of those are old or not completed, etc.
[16:42] <Aicasn> noted
[18:55] <Lartza_> My friend says his live cd asks for login
[18:56] <Lartza_> On "Install Xubuntu"
[18:56] <charlie-tca> It might, due to the parallel processing, I think
[18:56] <Lartza_> ?? :S
[18:56] <charlie-tca> Username is 'ubuntu'
[18:56] <charlie-tca> hit enter for password
[18:56] <charlie-tca> it will go to the desktop
[18:57] <Lartza_> Then he will choose install from the desktop?
[18:57] <charlie-tca> I have seen it about 1 in 100 times
[18:57] <charlie-tca> yes
[18:57] <Lartza_> Okey, thanks
[19:05] <melsu> hallo
[19:06] <melsu> Can anyone help with grub?
[19:06] <Pres-Gas> Ask and you will see, melsu
[19:19] <Lartza_> My friend can't login
[19:20] <Lartza_> He logins as ubuntu, some code flashes by and login screen comes up again
[19:21] <Lartza_> livecd
[19:28] <Pres-Gas> Lartza_, where did you get the iso?
[19:29] <Pres-Gas> ...and how long ago
[19:32] <Lartza_> Pres-Gas: today from se site
[19:32] <Lartza_> se as in sweden
[19:32] <Pres-Gas> ahhh
[19:32] <Lartza_> Europe from download page
[19:32] <Pres-Gas> did you do an md5sum check?
[19:32] <Lartza_> No md5 check
[19:32] <Lartza_> :)
[19:32]  * Pres-Gas does not always check either.    ;)
[19:33] <Lartza_> And it's my friend
[19:33] <Lartza_> I only have contact with him on wlm(msn)
[19:33] <slow-motion> hi
[19:33] <Lartza_> he says, "Install Xubuntu" goes to login screen
[19:33] <Lartza_> and he can't login from there
[19:33] <Lartza_> nor the "try xubuntu without..." login
[19:34] <Pres-Gas> I would advise him to try another mirror and burn that.  However, the Install Xubu selection should not dump you to a login screen, so something is wrong.
[19:34] <Lartza_> isn't there a way to test the cd from the cd?
[19:35] <Pres-Gas> Yeah....something like "Check media for defects", though I am not sure exactly how that goes about doing it
[19:35] <Pres-Gas> It would be shorter to redownload and burn from another mirror though
[19:36] <Pres-Gas> Or your friend could do both, Lartza_
[19:44] <oelsen> 'evening. i installed xubuntu on a apace-net-book. how can i add inofficial source lists and where can i find them?
[19:45] <Lartza_> !download
[19:46] <Lartza_> !md5
[19:46] <Sysi> !botabuse
[19:46] <Lartza_> Sorry! :)
[19:46] <Sysi> oelsen: for what you're gona need those?
[19:46] <oelsen> i want to intall newlisp and i can't find it in the manager
[19:47] <Pres-Gas> oelsen, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas
[20:03] <charlie-tca> hmmm, What if the install completed already on that login?
[20:06] <Pres-Gas> OOOOhhhh, good point, charlie-tca
[20:46] <PMantis> hi guys. I have Xubuntu as an LTSP server, and I need to disable the shutdown, hibernate, reboot, restart options. When the users click Log Out, I simply want a "Are you sure?", and that's about it. Google hasn't helped me so far.
[20:51] <Aicasn> PMantis: i'm no expert, but that sounds more like an xfce question than a xubuntu question.  tried #xfce ?  (or ##xfce)
[20:52] <PMantis> Aicasn: Will try now.
[22:11] <veramentNoob> ciao, ho una fastidiosissima finestra che  mi continua a lampeggiare senza contenuto. Qualcuno potebbe darmi una mano perr cortesia?
[22:12] <knome> !it | veramentNoob
[22:13] <veramentNoob> tnx ...i've got only 20 minutes testing new os :)
[22:41] <charlie-tca> knome: you installed the xubuntu-gdm-theme package, right?
[22:44] <knome> charlie-tca, yes, that's installed
[22:45] <knome> i need to get a shower. i'll be back in a sec.
[22:52] <knome> charlie-tca, i'm back for a while before going to bed, if you want to tackle the issue
[22:53] <charlie-tca> I'm at a loss. I looked through everything installed to try and find what might be missing, and the xubuntu package is the only thing I found.
[22:53] <knome> yeah
[22:53] <knome> charlie-tca, i suppose there is still no "official" way to change cdm theme?
[22:54] <charlie-tca> no, gnome didn't do it yet
[22:54] <knome> (afaik gdm2setup can do that, but it's not even in the repositories)
[22:55] <charlie-tca> It's a tangled mess, and gnome3 is going to be worse, I think
[22:55] <knome> actually
[22:55] <knome> gdm2theme shows my gtk theme is albatross
[22:55] <knome> and that my wallpaper is the tree with the birds
[22:55] <knome> i wonder if it's an nvidia issue after all
[22:56] <charlie-tca> That has to be possible.
[22:56] <charlie-tca> Depending on the actual card, nvidia is doing strange things
[22:57] <knome> well, i'm going to have a new in some days and really don't have time to work on this bug enough before that..
[22:58] <charlie-tca> Okay. If you do find the answer, let me know, please.
[22:58] <knome> i will, but i really doubt that
[22:58] <charlie-tca> heh
[22:58] <knome> it's only login manager, not a showstopper
[22:59] <knome> well, not stopping me from working
[22:59] <charlie-tca> You know more about the art than I do. If you can't fix it...
[22:59] <knome> i'm not that wise in the technical side of the art, though
[23:00] <knome> my latest undertaking is tb3 folderpane
[23:03] <charlie-tca> And you don't have knowledge? I don't think I could tackle that. OTOH, I tried tb3 and did not like it at all ;-)
[23:03] <knome> well, the basic looks was a nightmare
[23:03] <knome> i'm more into something like this: http://emonk.fi/temp/tb3_folderpane_wip.png
[23:05] <charlie-tca> That's not bad
[23:05] <knome> apart from the default folderpane style, i think the new tb is okay
[23:05] <knome> yeah, i still need to tackle some padding issues
[23:06] <charlie-tca> Switching from claws-mail, it is not even close to okay for me
[23:06] <knome> heh
[23:06] <knome> well you can affect most things, fortunately
[23:06] <knome> the downside is that it is not very easy at all times...
[23:07] <knome> i'm not sure if i NEED tabbed mail-reading
[23:07] <charlie-tca> yup
[23:07] <charlie-tca> heh
[23:07] <knome> i mean, that's a bit overkill...
[23:07] <charlie-tca> You do it tb now
[23:07] <knome> kind of. i'll try to find out how to disable the tabs next
[23:07] <knome> ;)
[23:08] <charlie-tca> you can do it... where there's a will, there is a way
[23:09] <knome> sure
[23:10] <knome> well
[23:10] <knome> i kind of like the idea of opening the messages in tabs
[23:11] <knome> but only kind of, because when i open a message i usually want to move it somewhere else than the main tb window
[23:17] <slow-motion> n8
[23:18] <knome> night people :)
[23:19] <charlie-tca> good night
[23:33] <gigasoft> hi all
[23:33] <gigasoft> i want ti save ram, so does xubuntu job?
[23:34] <gigasoft> any help?
[23:35] <charlie-tca> How much ram do you have?
[23:36] <gigasoft> 2gb
[23:36] <gigasoft> kubuntu use 1
[23:37] <gigasoft> with out any running program
[23:37] <gigasoft> but i have 64 bit os system, does it mater?
[23:37] <gigasoft> somehow..
[23:38] <gigasoft> or do i have to install 32 bit..
[23:38] <charlie-tca> It will probably use less than that, but I don't know how much. It depends on the applications you use
[23:38] <gigasoft> ok
[23:38] <charlie-tca> You can install either one
[23:38] <gigasoft> thanks
[23:39] <gigasoft> and does kde runs under kubuntu?
[23:39] <gigasoft> or that is bad idea?
[23:42] <nrodine> Hello
[23:42] <nrodine> I have a clean install, latest version of Xubuntu, I want to be able to display my screen on my laptop on my TV, I have the right cords, but when I plug them in, it doesn't do anything
[23:43] <nrodine> And I know the cords work, they worked when it was v9.04 and they work on windows currently
[23:44] <nrodine> I am using an S-video cable
[23:53] <charlie-tca> !xrandr | nrodine