[00:28] <CIA-6> [trunk] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20100518232805-9xx0752ev5ty4wa2 * debian/ (changelog control) Add build-depend on cmake since kdelibs5-dev no longer depends on it
[00:32] <CIA-6> [kubuntu-firefox-installer] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20100518233255-7i71f8069v17fat1 * debian/ (changelog control rules) (log message trimmed)
[00:32] <CIA-6> * Add build-depend on cmake since kdelibs5-dev no longer depends on it * Switch
[00:32] <CIA-6> to source format 3.0 (quilt): - Remove quilt build-depend - Remove quilt dh
[00:39]  * debfx loves packages where parts of debian/ is in the orig tarball
[00:40] <JontheEchidna> whoa, debfx has been doing a bunch of stuff that I had to scroll down to see :D
[00:41] <JontheEchidna> large wiki page is large
[00:44] <CIA-6> [kubuntu-notification-helper] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20100518234448-3k03l8bmob0y130y * debian/ (changelog control) Add explicit build-depend on cmake since kdelibs5-dev no longer does
[00:46] <debfx> indeed it is ;)
[00:46] <debfx> doing some package cleanup on the way
[00:46] <JontheEchidna> yeah, same here. It's a very good excuse
[01:01] <debfx> oh virtualbox 3.2.0 has been released, even more work to do ^^
[01:01] <ScottK> shtylman: Getting scons to build may require sacrifice of one's first born.  You probably want to make sure there's someone with kids involved in your project.
[01:01] <shtylman> oh my
[01:02] <shtylman> well... I might be able to arrange for that
[01:02] <shtylman> now that I know what to look for
[01:12] <ScottK> debfx: in the KDE3 days, bulletproof X worked in Kubuntu, it just never got ported.
[01:16] <debfx> ScottK: did it require big code changes?
[01:17] <ScottK> I don't recall, but I don't think so.
[01:17] <ScottK> Mostly it needs something non-Gnome to pop up the dialogue box instead of Xenity (or whatever it is) and then KDM needs to grow the ability to make X restart.
[01:25] <JontheEchidna> debfx: oops, didn't see you had taken userconfig.I just uploaded that
[01:26] <debfx> JontheEchidna: that's ok, I only started building it
[01:48] <debfx> JontheEchidna: I guess you don't remember why the patch in https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kftpgrabber/0.8.99~svn1044538-2ubuntu1 was necessary?
[01:49] <JontheEchidna> I think there was a point last cycle where libx11-dev wasn't being pulled in with the rest of the stack like it normally would
[01:49] <JontheEchidna> if it builds now I would see no point in not syncing it if debian has something newer
[01:51] <debfx> I wish someone would fix requestsync
[01:55] <JontheEchidna> it's broken?
[01:56] <debfx> it's broken when you use the --lp switch which files the bug automatically
[01:56] <debfx> not really broken but very outdated
[01:56] <JontheEchidna> aah
[02:10] <debfx> the audex debian package now has 4 open ftbfs bugs :D
[02:41] <ScottK> debfx: The email interface for requestsync files bugs too.
[02:43] <valorie> audex crashes immediately for me
[02:43] <valorie> and I get no bt
[02:43] <valorie> one of these days I'll run it in gdb
[02:44] <debfx> ScottK: by email? then I'd have to set it up with my mail login
[02:45] <ScottK> I don't think it needs any setting up.
[02:45]  * ScottK doesn't know since he's never used the LP one.
[02:47] <debfx> I just copy'n'paste from the requestsync output, that's fine until it gets fixed
[02:48] <DarkwingDuck> Anyone have any job openings that I can work from home?
[02:49] <ScottK> Getting out of the Navy?
[02:58] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah... BCA failure
[03:01] <jjesse-netbook> test
[03:02] <DarkwingDuck> test
[03:03] <jjesse-netbook> hrmm
[03:04] <jjesse-netbook> quit
[03:04] <jjesse-netbook> quit
[03:04] <jjesse-netbook> exit
[03:04] <shtylman> shutdown
[03:05] <shtylman> :)
[03:06] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: I wasn't an airdale.  What's BCA failure?
[03:07] <ScottK> That and I've been out over 15 years.
[03:08] <DarkwingDuck> Body Fat Content.
[03:08] <DarkwingDuck> I'm too fat
[03:08] <shtylman> we still love you
[03:08] <nixternal> typical hacker
[03:08] <nixternal> ;p
[03:09] <DarkwingDuck> LOL 69 Inches and 225lbs... Im not THAT fat
[03:09] <nixternal> if (toFat || eats(wheatGrass)) { youMightBeA.hacker(True); }
[03:10] <DarkwingDuck> ROFL
[03:22] <ScottK> For jobs from home, http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/ is one place to start.
[03:24] <nixternal> just don't bomb the interviews like i do, and i must say, i am rather good at bombing interviews lately...maybe i can make a job out of that :D
[03:27] <valorie> maybe you should have some fake interviews with friends?
[03:29] <nixternal> i am usually really good at interviewing..the past 2 weeks I have just been out of it for some reason
[03:29] <nixternal> usually, fake interviews turn into all nighters at a bar :D
[03:31] <valorie> lol
[03:31] <valorie> that's a good end to any interview!
[03:32] <nixternal> that it is
[03:32] <nixternal> i mean, i even had shitty interviews with people i have known and worked with for years..it made no sense
[03:33] <valorie> wrong phase of the moon
[03:33] <valorie> or your astrological planets were mis-aligned
[03:33] <valorie> bad biorhythms
[03:33] <nixternal> D) All of the above
[03:33] <debfx> ok, I'm out
[03:34] <debfx> i'll leave the plasma widgets for somebody else ;)
[03:34] <nixternal> well you better go get some more of whatever it is you are out of
[03:34] <nixternal> k, gonna go watch the hawks game
[03:35] <debfx> out of sleep ...
[03:36] <valorie> sweet dreams, debfx
[03:37] <debfx> valorie: thanks :)
[07:04] <SandGorgon> hi, I want to create a flavor of KDE without Nepomuk/Strigi/Akonadi (and all its related apps). I also want to eliminate the concept of Desktop Activities. Can both of these be done, or is it too finely interleaved with the rest of KDE ?
[08:33] <apachelogger> SandGorgon: well, you can run kde without nepomuk, but for some things its presence is expected and so either functionallity gets lost or a lot of debug messages get thrown
[08:34] <apachelogger> as for akonaid, it can (technically) be removed, but I think that you wont have no addressbooks anymore
[08:34] <apachelogger> like not at all
[08:34] <apachelogger> and in the long run without akonadi access to any pim data will get lost
[08:35] <apachelogger> that of course only is valid if you use kdepim ... as of now akonadi does not get used outside kdepim
[09:34] <apachelogger> shine \o/
[09:38] <CIA-6> [workspace] sitter * 1128409 * trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/plasma/generic/scriptengines/google_gadgets/CMakeLists.txt Make the google gadgets script engine build outside of kdebase, this makes it possible to fetch it individually and build indepent from workspace (necessary for Kubuntu)
[09:39] <apachelogger> LOOOOOK!
[09:39] <apachelogger> omg
[09:39]  * apachelogger is crying
[10:07] <jussi> apachelogger: tears of joys or sadness?
[10:09] <jussi> so I had a realisation the other day, our very own ScottK  http://castrojo.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/scottk.jpg bears a startling resemblence to the master hacker himself, Linus Torvalds.... http://www.proyectopqmc.com/blogs/skins/hitchhikers/img/linus_torvalds.jpg 
[10:09] <jussi> :D
[10:13] <debfx> apachelogger: could you add cmake to the build-dependencies of kde-l10n-* (https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDECMakeBuildDependTransition)?
[10:13] <apachelogger> jussi: joy I suppose
[10:14] <apachelogger> debfx: do we need a new version too?
[10:15] <apachelogger> !info kde-l10-de maverick
[10:15] <apachelogger> !info kde-l10n-de maverick
[10:15] <apachelogger> debfx: suppose that ought to be bumped to 4.4.3?
[10:19] <CIA-6> [kde-l10n-common] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100519091859-ecuaytxdacmephy5 * debian/ (changelog control rules) Add cmake as build dep as per https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDECMakeBuildDependTransition
[10:19] <apachelogger> no clue if that is gonna finish before I have to leave for randa ^^
[10:21] <jussi> Does anyone know if there is a ppa for the new nm plasmoid?  daily ppa even? 
[10:22] <Riddell> no daily one, kubuntu-ppa/experimental had tonio's snapshots from before the release
[10:22] <Riddell> and of course we have plasma-widget-networkmanagement packages in lucid
[10:22] <Riddell> you still need to enable the kded module though
[10:38] <jussi> Riddell: right, I was hoping that someone was packaging it daily as sebas has just released some new improvements
[11:12] <apachelogger>   plasma-scriptengine-googlegadgets_4.4.2.orig.tar.gz created; move it to the right destination to build the package
[11:12] <apachelogger> \o/
[11:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: yay!
[11:22]  * Tm_T moved to a new home
[11:24] <shadeslayer> hehe.. i just created a conkyrc... well it was a bit of a copy paste from sites : http://paste.ubuntu.com/436069/
[11:28] <Riddell> Tm_T: and probably one with internet 10 times faster than the rest of the world :)
[11:30] <Tm_T> Riddell: nope, normal 5/2 adsl connection (slowest option what local ISP offers these days)
[11:36] <Mamarok> \o/ slowest you get? what is the fastest a plain user can gt in Finland?
[11:36] <Mamarok> get*
[11:37] <jussi> Mamarok: 200/100
[11:37] <shadeslayer> jussi: MBps?
[11:37] <jussi> yup
[11:37] <shadeslayer> zomg
[11:37]  * Mamarok ponders moving to Finland
[11:38] <shadeslayer> ^^ same here :P
[11:38] <jussi> or maybe it was 200/200... Ill have to check...
[11:38] <Mamarok> but too many moskitos in summer
[11:38] <shadeslayer> fastest here is 16 MBps
[11:38] <shadeslayer> wait... thats mbps :P
[11:38] <jussi> MInd, that was not here, was in helsinki...m Out here in the boondocks we only get 24/2...
[11:38] <Mamarok> but then again, one can flee in a sauna from those...
[11:39] <jussi> Mamarok: true
[11:39] <Mamarok> but is spending the summer in a sauna a real alternative?
[11:40] <Tm_T> Mamarok: is
[11:40] <Mamarok> is there internet in the sauna?
[11:40]  * Mamarok wouldn't be astonished if yes
[11:41] <jussi> no...
[11:41] <Tm_T> wifi? wimax? 3g? no I haven't pulled eth to sauna
[11:41] <jussi> definately not
[11:41]  * Tm_T hides
[11:41] <jussi> Sauna is a place of peace and relaxation
[11:41] <jussi> no internet...
[11:41] <shadeslayer> and interwebz
[11:41] <Mamarok> jussi: true
[11:42] <Tm_T> jussi: indeed, it's not very finnish to bring any distruption to sauna
[11:43] <jussi> As I was taught on arrival, act in the sauna as you would in the church. 
[11:43] <Mamarok> I bet the Russians do :)
[11:43] <Tm_T> jussi: ye
[11:44] <Tm_T> jussi: it's ok to play with your phone in church but not in sauna
[11:44] <jussi> Tm_T: depends which church I suppose
[11:44] <Riddell> you go naked to church?
[11:45] <jussi> Riddell: LOL... not quite
[11:45] <Tm_T> not typically
[11:45] <jussi> I know you cant read finnish, but Im guessing you guys can make this out: http://www.welho.fi/yksityisille/laajakaista/laajakaistaliittymat
[11:46] <jussi> I was slightly wrong though
[11:46] <jussi> its 200/10 from welho
[11:46] <jussi> I think sonera has a faster upload, but I cant get to their speed stuff right now
[11:48] <shadeslayer> jussi: google translate + Chromium :P
[11:48]  * Mamarok has 10/1 for about the same price range as Finland
[11:48] <jussi> :D
[11:48] <Mamarok> but 10/1 is the maximum I can get here, for now, although everything is on glas fiber already so they can speed up anytime
[11:49] <Mamarok> they already doubled the speed since last year, so I am confident :)
[11:49] <Tm_T> well, you can get 100/100 connections too, it's just different technology
[11:49] <shadeslayer> 55 euros... thats 3500 rupees in india :P
[11:49] <Mamarok> yeah, I dont get why cable needs to be async
[11:49] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: same here :)
[11:50] <shadeslayer> i get 512 kbps now :P
[11:50] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: for how much/month?
[11:50]  * jussi is in the boondocks, so has to pay more... 24/2=50¤
[11:50] <Mamarok> your € sign doesn't show
[11:50] <Mamarok> does mine?
[11:50] <jussi> yes
[11:50] <Mamarok> yeah, Konversation :)
[11:50] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: 15 usd
[11:51] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: quite expensive
[11:51] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: yeah i know :(
[11:51] <jussi> Mamarok: I have something screwed up with my locale settings though, something about installing with finnish keyboard and in english sets something funny up... not really sure
[11:51]  * jussi doesnt understand all that stuff really well
[11:52] <Tm_T> jussi: I have finnish keyboard but all languages in english
[11:52] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: http://airtel.in/wps/wcm/connect/airtel.in/airtel.in/home/foryou/broadband+and+fixed+line/broadband/tariffs/ 
[11:52] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: the area is Haryana ....
[11:53] <jussi> oh yeah, and what is it with download limits... I mean who still uses them? o.O
[11:54] <shadeslayer> jussi: hehe.. broadband is expensive in india,people dont download much
[11:54] <shadeslayer> jussi: what they usually do is go to the market and buy pirated CD's for 10-15 INR
[11:54] <shadeslayer> well 65pc of the people.. the rest 35 pc buy them... piracy went down by 2pc this year :P
[11:55] <howlymowly> hi guys.. short question:  is there a specific reason to make the kubuntu-feedback  survey a from LTS version a plasma widget???   its somewhat intricate to put a widet on the desktop just for a survey ^^
[11:56] <Riddell> howlymowly: it gives us the option of showing it by default in the pre-releases
[11:56] <Riddell> although it probably needs to be made smaller by default for that to happen
[11:56] <howlymowly> ahh.. kk thats why...
[11:56] <Riddell> and we still need to get nixternal to give us the results from release
[11:57] <Riddell> hint hint :)
[11:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i think theres a wiki page about the resulrs
[11:57] <shadeslayer> *results
[11:57] <Riddell> oh?  I didn't see that
[11:57] <shadeslayer> lemme pull that up
[12:00] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Lucid/Feedback/Beta2
[12:00] <Riddell> that's beta
[12:00] <Riddell> final is the interesting one now
[12:00] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh..
[12:22] <apachelogger> jussi: why no p0rn in the sauna?
[12:22] <jussi> apachelogger: no pr0n in the sauna, its just not the right place for it.
[12:23] <apachelogger> my oh my, what a boring place that must be
[12:23] <apachelogger> time for sauna 2.0
[12:23] <jussi> apachelogger: no, you miss the point of it...
[12:23] <apachelogger> with ajax and builtin leaks \o/
[12:24] <apachelogger> jussi: in 5 years time my toaster will be able to do p0rn!
[12:24] <apachelogger> that is if ipv6 gets established by then
[12:24] <apachelogger> otherwise my toaster will probably not get an ip, but that is another story
[12:24] <jussi> apachelogger: Im sure it will... but still... sauna isnt place for pr0n... 
[12:24]  * jussi wonders why we are having this discussion
[12:25] <apachelogger> that is an oldfashioned pov
[12:25] <jussi> oh and apachelogger, how is my memenu going? :D
[12:25] <apachelogger> no memenu for you!
[12:25] <apachelogger> it is broken by design
[12:25] <jussi> heh
[12:25] <apachelogger> needs inspection meeting
[12:25] <apachelogger> oh hold on
[12:25] <apachelogger> they already implemented it
[12:25] <jussi> lol
[12:25] <apachelogger> better no inspection meeting, or they have to redo it
[12:25] <apachelogger> \o/
[12:26]  * apachelogger goes back outside, into the sun, because it is so horrible cold within the house :(
[12:27] <jussi> heh
[12:49] <apachelogger> Nightrose: Name change request submitted. just fo you
[12:49] <ScottK> jussi: You aren't the first to make that comment (IIRC somone said the same in comments about photos published from UDS Intrepid (in Prague).
[12:49] <Nightrose> apachelogger: \o/
[12:49] <Nightrose> *hug*
[12:49] <jussi> ScottK: heh
[12:50] <jussi> ScottK: it is a rather striking likeness though
[12:51] <apachelogger> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging/L10nOperatorGuide
[13:04] <ghostcube> https://launchpad.net/~sssup/+archive/sssup-ppa   anyone tested this ?
[13:06] <shadeslayer> ghostcube: flash right?
[13:07] <shadeslayer> ghostcube: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/05/lightspark-open-source-flash-player.html
[13:07] <ghostcube> yes flash
[13:09] <shadeslayer> html5 ftw
[13:14] <shadeslayer> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/05/what-its-like-at-uds-video.html  makes me want to apply for the next UDS
[13:17] <ScottK> Just keep in mind that the bits of the video where they are in sessions talking about stuff is pretty much all of the daytime.
[13:17] <ScottK> It's a bit under represented in the video, IMO.
[13:18] <shadeslayer> hehe :)
[13:19] <shadeslayer> well i love talks as well :P
[13:19] <shadeslayer> maybe ill apply in a few years time :P
[13:19] <shadeslayer> or ill be close by when the next one happens xD
[13:27] <txwikinger> Riddell: what needs updating in debootstrap?
[13:29] <Riddell> txwikinger: turns out it already supports maverick so nothing needs updating
[13:30] <txwikinger> Ah cool
[14:22] <agateau> anyone here using pinentry-qt4 with gpg-agent?
[14:22] <agateau> it shows up and immediatly disappear for me :/
[14:23] <Riddell> it's magic voodoo for me, just works (mostly)
[14:24] <agateau> Riddell: almost same here, except for the "works" part :(
[14:24] <agateau> Riddell: do you know some voodoo sorcerer who could help me?
[14:25] <Riddell> #kdepim would be worth a shot
[14:25] <Riddell> or is it #kontact
[14:26] <agateau> They are gpg experts?
[14:26] <agateau> my question is not really kde oriented
[14:26] <agateau> I am trying to avoid typing my gpg passphrase twice each time I run debuild
[14:26] <shtylman> agateau: I tried running kde trunk... I think I got it running except for the monochrome icons... what magic do you need for those? just making sure XDG dirs are setup correctly?
[14:27] <agateau> shtylman: don't know, it worked for me, but maybe not all applications have been monochrome'ed
[14:27] <agateau> shtylman: better ask notmart
[14:27] <Riddell> agateau: they maintain pinentry-qt4
[14:27] <shtylman> agateau: how are launching your kde session? did you install into /usr/local or someplace else?
[14:28] <agateau> Riddell: oh ok, they have some gpg mana then :)
[14:28] <agateau> shtylman: I install in $HOME/opt/kde4
[14:28] <agateau> shtylman: and use a .xsession to set up the vars and call $HOME/opt/kde4/bin/startkde
[14:28] <shtylman> I see
[14:28] <agateau> shtylman: then to start trunk from kdm I select the "default" session
[14:29] <agateau> shtylman: to start the Kubuntu one I select "kde4"
[14:29] <shtylman> mind sending me your xsession file or pastebinning it?
[14:29] <agateau> sure
[14:30] <agateau> shtylman: http://pastebin.com/K4cMfVXU
[14:30] <agateau> shtylman: but then you want the content of KDE4VARS_TRUNK :)
[14:31] <agateau> http://people.canonical.com/~agateau/tmp/KDE4VARS_TRUNK
[14:31] <agateau> http://people.canonical.com/~agateau/tmp/KDE4VARS_COMMON
[14:31] <agateau> shtylman: ^
[14:43] <ScottK> agateau: Does your ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf have "use-agent" uncommented?
[14:43] <agateau> ScottK: it does
[14:47] <txwikinger> Riddell: Next BugHug day for Ubuntu is update manager.. shall we tag on and do a Bug Hug day for something special?
[14:54] <maco> agateau: hmm this is problematic. 
[14:55] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: imo we should have them too... we can do one for some specific app and target loads of bug for that app
[14:55] <maco> see use-agent is in the skeleton gpg.conf file
[14:55] <ScottK> maco: It's not problematic.  use-agent is what he wants.
[14:55] <txwikinger> yep.. I can organise one if someone gives me the scope
[14:55] <ScottK> Perhaps I misunderstand you though.
[14:55] <maco> ScottK: he said its already uncommented
[14:56] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: although i can only participate next month :P
[14:56] <maco> if it's not there, my experience with kmail is that signing gpg stuff, you'll get the box to stay there, but itll hang on password input and eventuall (1-2min later?) reject the passphrase
[14:56] <ScottK> txwikinger: How about update-manager-kde
[14:56] <txwikinger> shadeslayer: We probably crash and burn without you ;)
[14:57] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: hehehe :P
[14:57] <txwikinger> ScottK: ok.. I will do that
[14:57] <ScottK> maco: That's about right.
[14:57] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: #kubuntu-bugs is pretty silent most of the time :P
[14:58] <ScottK> agateau: We still have pinentry-qt in the archive.  You might try that and see if it's better.  If it's not, it points at gpg-agent.
[14:58] <txwikinger> Well. that can be changed
[14:58] <maco> ScottK: but if he's got use-agent and its still broken then the agent itself is broken, yeah?
[14:58] <agateau> ScottK: pinentry-qt is the qt3 version?
[14:58] <ScottK> agateau: It is.
[14:58] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: oh and i joined the bugsquad :)
[14:59] <txwikinger> shadeslayer: cool
[14:59] <ScottK> maco: Yes, but gpg-agent uses pinentry-qt4, so it's an open question which component is the problem.
[14:59] <maco> agateau: lucid or mav?
[14:59] <agateau> maco: lucid
[15:00] <txwikinger> Is it normal that the gpg and the ssh agent are different instances?
[15:00] <maco> agateau: is it helpful for me to say "works for me"? :P
[15:01] <agateau> maco: it gives me hope
[15:01] <agateau> :)
[15:01] <txwikinger> well.. at least they seem to use different files in tmp
[15:01] <ScottK> agateau: Works for me too.
[15:01] <ScottK> txwikinger: Yes.
[15:01] <ScottK> gpg-agent can act as a ssh-agent, but it's not the same program.
[15:01] <agateau> ScottK: now I am full of hope
[15:01] <txwikinger> how do I add a key to the gpg-agent ?
[15:02] <txwikinger> and does ForwardAgent for ssh takes account of that too?
[15:02] <ScottK> txwikinger: man gpg-agent
[15:02] <ScottK> agateau: I looked and didn't see any settings that could be relevant.
[15:03] <ScottK> What does your gpg-agent.conf say?
[15:05] <agateau> ScottK: http://pastebin.com/EGkMafcM
[15:07] <ScottK> agateau: I get paste expired.
[15:07] <agateau> oh
[15:08] <shtylman> agateau: thanks :)
[15:08] <agateau> even pastebin is against me!
[15:08] <ScottK> Feel free to dump it in a PM if you want.
[15:08] <agateau> ScottK: ~/.gnupg/gpg-agent.conf
[15:08] <agateau> ScottK: http://pastebin.com/mja7YmPi
[15:08]  * agateau has trouble with clipboards
[15:08] <ScottK> THE SITE IS IN READ-ONLY MODE AS WE ARE CURRENTLY MOVING HOSTER, SOME PASTES MIGHT BE MISSING FOR A FEW HOURS!
[15:09] <ScottK> Just paste it in PM.
[15:10] <txwikinger> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/
[15:11] <agateau> oh
[15:14] <agateau> ScottK: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/436168/
[15:14] <agateau> txwikinger: thanks
[15:14]  * ScottK tries again
[15:15] <shadeslayer> pastebin works here :P
[15:17] <apachelogger> txwikinger: the professional paster uses paste.ubuntu.com :P
[15:18] <shadeslayer> :D
[15:18]  * txwikinger does not have a pasteria
[15:18] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: use pastebinit :P
[15:20] <txwikinger> ScottK: Which package is  update-manager-kde
[15:20] <ScottK> agateau: Mine's a bit different.  Yours looks like an old howto I've seen.  Not sure if it will help, but http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/436170/
[15:20] <ScottK> txwikinger: I can't keep track.
[15:20]  * agateau tries
[15:20]  * txwikinger can't either :)
[15:21] <ScottK> You'll have to restart gpg-agent after changing the config file.
[15:23] <agateau> ScottK: still fails, but much more verbose
[15:23]  * agateau wonders if it's an i18n issue
[15:23] <agateau> it's not :/
[15:24] <agateau> mmmm
[15:24] <agateau> "command get_passphrase failed: End of file"
[15:24]  * agateau googles that
[15:24] <ScottK> That sounds like pinentry and gpg-agent connected to different sockets.
[15:31] <agateau> oh
[15:32] <agateau> they seem to be able to communicate a bit though
[15:32] <agateau> gpg-agent passes a few OPTION commands
[15:32] <agateau> but fails when it tries to pass GET_PASSPHRASE
[15:32] <ScottK> Riddell: Now that you've taken away my kivio, what am I to use to open my .flw files?
[15:34] <Riddell> I fear I'm only a messenger for upstream in these matters ScottK 
[15:34] <ScottK> Sigh.
[15:34] <Riddell> txwikinger: there are probably KDE bugs in update-manager we should look at
[15:35] <txwikinger> yeah.. I just saw it is part of update-manager
[15:35] <txwikinger> I will have a look
[15:47] <agateau> well... using pinentry-gtk2 works :/
[15:47] <agateau> this will do for now
[15:51] <shtylman> aww
[15:51]  * ScottK will not use programs with unique data formats for work again.
[15:51]  * ScottK will not use programs with unique data formats for work again.
[15:51]  * ScottK will not use programs with unique data formats for work again.
[15:51] <ScottK> (imagine about 100 of those)
[15:51] <shtylman> haha
[15:53] <ScottK> Karmic kivio packages work on Lucid, but that's not a long term solution.
[15:57]  * ScottK looks at http://slangkamp.wordpress.com/2009/07/27/the-state-of-kivio/ and sniffles a bit.
[15:57] <ScottK> debfx could probablyl finish it up in ~ a week if only he were motivated.
[16:02] <CIA-6> [workspace] sitter * 1128532 * trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/plasma/generic/scriptengines/google_gadgets/CMakeLists.txt Don't look for KDE twice, Hydrogen doesn't like it...
[16:03] <debfx> I doubt that since I've never even used koffice ^^
[16:05] <ScottK> OK.  Two weeks.
[16:06] <ScottK> You've done miracles before.
[16:06]  * apachelogger is off for sprint travelling
[16:10] <ScottK> Riddell: In umbrello is one of these fancy UML things ~ equivalent to what I would call a flow chart?
[16:13] <shtylman> ScottK: no
[16:14] <shtylman> UML is for describing objects and relationships...etc
[16:14]  * ScottK knows what it is, just never uses it enough to remember anything else.
[16:14] <ScottK> Looks like dia it is.
[16:14] <shtylman> heh
[16:19] <Riddell> indeed no flow chart in UML
[16:25] <txwikinger> If you really wanted to.. you maybe would be able to make use a status diagram for a flow chart
[16:25] <txwikinger> or use cases
[16:26]  * txwikinger looks in his umbrello diagrams
[16:27] <txwikinger> ScottK: I used status diagram to do flow chart like stuff in umbrello
[16:27] <txwikinger> sorry state diagram
[16:44] <ScottK> Thanks.
[17:25] <shadeslayer>  anyone around? i tried to compile ktorrent rc1 and i got this : http://paste.ubuntu.com/436222/
[17:26] <Riddell> c++ breakage?
[17:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: eh? 
[17:28] <shadeslayer> you mean to say im using a old version of gcc ?
[17:28] <Riddell> I mean it's c++ and something is broken
[17:28] <Riddell> probably can't say more without looking at the sources
[17:28] <Riddell> maybe pastebin the videowidget.h file
[17:29] <shadeslayer> yeah im looking at that file :
[17:29] <shadeslayer> hold on
[17:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/436231/
[17:33] <Riddell> what's in Phonon/VideoWidget ?
[17:33] <shadeslayer> Riddell: um.. nothing.. theres no such folder :P
[17:34] <shadeslayer> oh i think i need the latest phonon as well...
[17:34] <shadeslayer> but cmake doesnt give any errors about that...
[17:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/436238/
[17:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: thats the output of ls -laR
[17:38] <Riddell> /usr/include/qt4/phonon/videowidget.h is the file and looks fine
[17:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i just commented line 71 to see what happens :P
[17:40] <shadeslayer> errors...
[17:44] <shtylman> shadeslayer: can you run make with VERBOSE=1
[17:44] <shtylman> to see what all the include paths are
[17:47] <shadeslayer> hold on
[17:49] <Dyrcona> Is there a Phonon namespace?
[17:49] <Riddell> yes
[17:49] <shadeslayer> im on a call right now :P
[17:53] <shadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/436252/
[17:54] <shadeslayer> shtylman: Riddell Dyrcona ^^
[17:56] <shtylman> looks right to me
[18:03] <shadeslayer> shtylman: so how do i compile it :P
[18:03] <shtylman> where did you get the source from?
[18:03] <shadeslayer> shtylman: ktorrent.org
[18:04] <shadeslayer> its the RC1
[18:04] <shtylman> k
[18:04] <shadeslayer> im following this : http://ktorrent.org/wiki/index.php/FAQ 
[18:08] <shadeslayer> shtylman: oh btw youll need to compile libktorrent too.. just remember that :P
[18:21] <shadeslayer> has anyone used virt-manager?
[18:21] <shtylman> ok
[18:22] <shtylman> so the problem is that the videowidget.h header file in the ktorrent source tree
[18:22] <shtylman> has the same name as the videowidget.h header file in the phonon tree
[18:22] <shadeslayer> ahh..
[18:22] <shtylman> and the Phono/VideoWidget header includes "videowidget.h"
[18:22] <shtylman> unfortunately, the local file takes precedence (probly cause of include paths)
[18:22] <shtylman> and thus the real phonon one cannot be included
[18:23] <shtylman> the real fix here is for phonon to fix their damn includes
[18:23] <shadeslayer> :P
[18:23] <shtylman> which are wrong imho
[18:23] <shtylman> but for you to compile locally for now
[18:23] <shadeslayer> change the name?
[18:23] <shtylman> just change #include <Phonon/videowidget> to #include <phonon/videowidget.h>
[18:24] <shadeslayer> shtylman: in videowidget.h or .cpp?
[18:25] <shtylman> .h
[18:25] <shadeslayer> ok
[18:26] <shadeslayer> building
[18:27] <shadeslayer> failed :P
[18:27] <shadeslayer> shtylman: im pastebining
[18:27] <shadeslayer> shtylman: http://paste.ubuntu.com/436283/
[18:28] <shtylman> shadeslayer: thats cause you didn't do what I told you :p
[18:28] <shtylman> #include <phonon/videowidget.h>
[18:28] <shtylman> notice my case
[18:28] <shadeslayer> ok.. ill just paste that :)
[18:32] <shadeslayer> shtylman: uhh.. it just stopped...
[18:33] <shtylman> more errors?
[18:33] <shadeslayer> no..
[18:33] <shadeslayer> just stopped :P
[18:33] <shadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/436289/
[18:33] <shtylman> thats some other problem on your end
[18:33] <shtylman> maybe try again
[18:33] <shtylman> just run make again and see if it finishes... it should
[18:34] <shadeslayer> i removed the whole build dir
[18:34] <Dyrcona> that last paste looks like it worked.
[18:35] <Dyrcona> oh. it has more to go. nm
[18:37] <shadeslayer> its upto 85pc
[18:37] <shadeslayer> done!
[18:38] <shadeslayer> shtylman: thanks
[18:38] <shtylman> shadeslayer: np
[18:38] <shtylman> Riddell: tell the phonon people to fix their damn includes...
[18:39] <Riddell> shtylman: actually the problem is on the qt side for that as far as I can tell, so it'll be fixed when I package phonon standalone (this evening with any luck)
[18:40] <shtylman> Riddell: cool
[18:40] <shtylman> good stuff
[18:44] <shadeslayer> gtg.. bye :)
[18:44] <CIA-6> [ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20100519174442-egisiqjhms7s0acc * debian/ (7 files) (log message trimmed)
[18:44] <CIA-6> * Merge with Debian Unstable, remaining change: - Drop kttsd from metapackage
[18:44] <CIA-6> since all backends are in universe * Bump replaces version on kttsd for kmouth
[18:53] <JontheEchidna> lex79: o/
[18:54] <lex79> hi JontheEchidna :) vacation finished :P
[18:54] <Sput> apachelogger: still around?
[18:54] <JontheEchidna> lex79: Hope you had a nice vacation. :)
[18:55] <JontheEchidna> lex79: Could I bug you for package upload statistics for lucid?
[18:55] <lex79> yeah, I visited my girlfriend in Hamburg :)
[18:55] <lex79> JontheEchidna: do you want the statistics for lucid?
[18:56] <JontheEchidna> lex79: yes, please :)
[18:56] <lex79> give me some minutes...
[19:06] <lex79> JontheEchidna: Uploaders http://pastebin.org/254903
[19:06] <lex79> JontheEchidna: top sponsors http://pastebin.org/254905
[19:06] <JontheEchidna> woohoo! Broke the top ten this time :D
[19:07] <lex79> yeah :)
[19:08] <JontheEchidna> Riddell once again reigns supreme
[19:08] <JontheEchidna> all hail kde-l10n
[19:15] <ScottK> I guess I was a slacker this time.
[19:19] <debfx> if you need something to sponsor: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/clamz ;D
[19:20] <ScottK> I didn't say I planned to change that.
[19:21] <ScottK> You should better get it in Debian anyway.
[19:23] <debfx> there's some dispute about whether it should go into main or contrib
[19:24] <debfx> someone already uploaded a package but it got rejected because an ftp admin thought it should go into contrib
[19:25] <ScottK> Meh.
[19:25] <ScottK> That's silly.
[19:26] <ScottK> On that basis all web browsers should be in contrib too.
[19:26] <debfx> which I don't understand and he apparently didn't explain why
[19:26] <ScottK> It's because it's purpose is to download non-free stuff somehow.
[19:27] <debfx> yeah but how does this violate the dfsg?
[19:28] <debfx> and youtube-dl is in main ...
[19:29] <neversfelde> can a universe package depend on libxine1-ffmpeg?
[19:31] <debfx> sure, it's in main
[19:31] <Tm_T> neversfelde: depend or recommend?
[19:32] <Tm_T> why I was thinking it being in universe ):
[19:33] <neversfelde> Tm_T: recommended packages are installed by default or am I wrong? So probably a recommend would be enough
[19:35] <Tm_T> neversfelde: ye, but it won't prevent from installing in case of conflict
[19:35] <neversfelde> so recommending libxine1-ffmpeg is ok?
[19:36] <Tm_T> if the package isn't depending from it, sure
[19:36] <neversfelde> ok, thank you
[19:36] <Tm_T> depending and is usable without it
[19:37] <Tm_T> I'd say, dunno what's the official policy
[19:37] <neversfelde> the package is not usable without it
[19:39] <neversfelde> Amarok suggests libxine1-ffmpeg
[19:41] <Tm_T> amarok doesn't need xine
[19:41] <Tm_T> phonon xine backend needs it, but there's other backends
[19:42] <Tm_T> so suggest sounds right imo (:
[19:43] <neversfelde> yes, minitube can use gstreamer backend, too
[19:44] <Tm_T> is it usable with it?
[19:44] <neversfelde> yes
[19:44] <Tm_T> roger
[19:46] <Nightrose> ScottK: xmind can do good looking flow charts
[19:47] <seele> jjesse: ew, just got spam from you
[19:49] <neversfelde> Tm_T: thanks for your help, I will make it suggest libxine1-ffmpeg and probably gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg, if that is needed to make it work with gstreamer backend
[19:49]  * Nightrose too
[19:50] <Tm_T> neversfelde: glad if I was of any use
[19:54] <ScottK> Nightrose: Thanks.
[20:03] <jjesse> sorry if you got spam from my gmail account
[20:06] <Riddell> jjesse: did your gmail account get a virus?
[20:06] <jjesse> must have
[20:06] <jjesse> trying to figure it out
[20:08] <JontheEchidna> jjesse: seems to be going around. nightrose reported that jussi had sent some spam too, iirc
[20:09]  * Sput is happy to not be using gmail
[20:10] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: nope i also got it from jjesse
[20:13] <jjesse> argh
[20:13] <jjesse> i think it was sent to -devel list?
[20:14] <Nightrose> it went to kde-core-devel but got stuck in moderation there and i discarted it
[20:14] <Nightrose> and my person address
[20:14] <Nightrose> (not that i mind much - happens...)
[20:14] <Nightrose> but you should probably find out what happened
[20:16] <jjesse> yeah i don't know what is going on
[20:17] <jjesse> trying to figure out
[21:17] <neversfelde> jjesse-netbook: there is also a spam entry from your account in the report of bug 460352
[21:21]  * ScottK feels left out.
[21:30] <Sput> ScottK: why?
[21:31] <ScottK> Sput: No spam from jjesse-netbook.
[21:31] <Sput> ScottK: ah. yeah, that's sad
[21:31] <Sput> I'm sure I could subscribe you to some spammers, though
[21:31] <ScottK> I'm sure, but it wouldn't be the same.
[21:32] <ryanakca> I can forward jjesse's spam to you if you want :P
[21:33] <ScottK> Thank you, no, nothing can change the fact that he left me out.
[21:35] <jjesse-netbook> yeah my gmail was sending out spam
[21:35] <jjesse-netbook> dont know why or what happened
[21:35] <Riddell> were you using windows?  have you visited china recently?
[21:36] <jjesse-netbook> work machine is a windows7 machine
[22:05] <Riddell> oh Qt, why do you take so long to compile?
[22:06] <shtylman> haha
[22:10] <Tm_T> Riddell: it's only 4+ hours
[22:10] <Riddell> even though I've disabled webkit compiling there's a separate tar of webkit's javascript engine which needs to be compiled anyway
[22:11] <Riddell> I think I might be faster to fly to oslo, use their teambuilder to compile it in 5 minutes then fly back
[22:11] <shtylman> haha
[22:11] <shtylman> Riddell: you need a more powerful computer :)
[22:12] <Riddell> one that isn't held together by duct tape you mean?
[22:12] <shtylman> yes
[23:00] <Riddell> I feel the need for a new PPA
[23:00] <Riddell> kubuntu-ppa/qt-backports
[23:00] <Riddell> any objections?
[23:02] <ScottK> What would go in there?
[23:04] <Riddell> ScottK: qt 4.7, qtwebkit, phonon, qt-creator 2.0 beta  for lucid
[23:05] <ScottK> Won't we want to put KDE 4.5 beta on top of all that once we get it?
[23:05] <ScottK> I guess I don't understand why that can't go in the existin beta PPA?
[23:07] <ScottK> existin/existing
[23:07] <Riddell> maybe, but 4.7 is still in beta and we've had issues in the past where people haven't wanted to upgrade qt when they upgrade kde
[23:09] <ScottK> Right, but we've also had problems when people run KDE on a different Qt than it was built for.
[23:26] <lex79> iirc qt 4.6 broken KDE 4.3 in Lucid, and we had a lot of bug reports when we uploaded Qt into backports ppa
[23:27] <lex79> don't repeat that error is a good idea ;)
[23:29] <lex79> maybe it was in experimental ppa, I don't remember exactly
[23:34] <Riddell> which is why I want to keep them separate
[23:34] <Riddell> I'm only (planning on) doing 4.7 backports because ivanka said she wanted to try out qt declarative stuff
[23:43] <ScottK> Riddell: I think agateau already has 4.7 in his PPA (with his patches)
[23:43] <rgreening> Riddell, apachelogger, JontheEchidna: halp. Amarok refuses to play CD
[23:43] <rgreening> This is supposed to work since 2.2.2 afdaik. but I cant seem to get it to work on either dell mini with external DVD drive
[23:43] <rgreening> ScottK: do you use amarok? and can you test playing an audio cd ?
[23:44] <ScottK> If you really feel an additionaly PPA is needed, don't let me block.  I just have a general feeling we have 'enough'
[23:46] <ScottK> rgreening: No and just heading out the door anyway.
[23:48] <debfx> JontheEchidna: could you please ack bug #582616 and bug #582609