[00:28] [trunk] Jonathan Thomas * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20100518232805-9xx0752ev5ty4wa2 * debian/ (changelog control) Add build-depend on cmake since kdelibs5-dev no longer depends on it [00:32] [kubuntu-firefox-installer] Jonathan Thomas * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20100518233255-7i71f8069v17fat1 * debian/ (changelog control rules) (log message trimmed) [00:32] * Add build-depend on cmake since kdelibs5-dev no longer depends on it * Switch [00:32] to source format 3.0 (quilt): - Remove quilt build-depend - Remove quilt dh [00:39] * debfx loves packages where parts of debian/ is in the orig tarball [00:40] whoa, debfx has been doing a bunch of stuff that I had to scroll down to see :D [00:41] large wiki page is large [00:44] [kubuntu-notification-helper] Jonathan Thomas * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20100518234448-3k03l8bmob0y130y * debian/ (changelog control) Add explicit build-depend on cmake since kdelibs5-dev no longer does [00:46] indeed it is ;) [00:46] doing some package cleanup on the way [00:46] yeah, same here. It's a very good excuse [01:01] oh virtualbox 3.2.0 has been released, even more work to do ^^ [01:01] shtylman: Getting scons to build may require sacrifice of one's first born. You probably want to make sure there's someone with kids involved in your project. [01:01] oh my [01:02] well... I might be able to arrange for that [01:02] now that I know what to look for [01:12] debfx: in the KDE3 days, bulletproof X worked in Kubuntu, it just never got ported. [01:16] ScottK: did it require big code changes? [01:17] I don't recall, but I don't think so. [01:17] Mostly it needs something non-Gnome to pop up the dialogue box instead of Xenity (or whatever it is) and then KDM needs to grow the ability to make X restart. [01:25] debfx: oops, didn't see you had taken userconfig.I just uploaded that [01:26] JontheEchidna: that's ok, I only started building it [01:48] JontheEchidna: I guess you don't remember why the patch in https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kftpgrabber/0.8.99~svn1044538-2ubuntu1 was necessary? [01:49] I think there was a point last cycle where libx11-dev wasn't being pulled in with the rest of the stack like it normally would [01:49] if it builds now I would see no point in not syncing it if debian has something newer [01:51] I wish someone would fix requestsync [01:55] it's broken? [01:56] it's broken when you use the --lp switch which files the bug automatically [01:56] not really broken but very outdated [01:56] aah [02:10] the audex debian package now has 4 open ftbfs bugs :D [02:41] debfx: The email interface for requestsync files bugs too. [02:43] audex crashes immediately for me [02:43] and I get no bt [02:43] one of these days I'll run it in gdb [02:44] ScottK: by email? then I'd have to set it up with my mail login [02:45] I don't think it needs any setting up. [02:45] * ScottK doesn't know since he's never used the LP one. [02:47] I just copy'n'paste from the requestsync output, that's fine until it gets fixed [02:48] Anyone have any job openings that I can work from home? [02:49] Getting out of the Navy? [02:58] Yeah... BCA failure [03:01] test [03:02] test [03:03] hrmm [03:04] quit [03:04] quit [03:04] exit [03:04] shutdown [03:05] :) [03:06] DarkwingDuck: I wasn't an airdale. What's BCA failure? [03:07] That and I've been out over 15 years. [03:08] Body Fat Content. [03:08] I'm too fat [03:08] we still love you [03:08] typical hacker [03:08] ;p [03:09] LOL 69 Inches and 225lbs... Im not THAT fat [03:09] if (toFat || eats(wheatGrass)) { youMightBeA.hacker(True); } [03:10] ROFL [03:22] For jobs from home, http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/ is one place to start. [03:24] just don't bomb the interviews like i do, and i must say, i am rather good at bombing interviews lately...maybe i can make a job out of that :D [03:27] maybe you should have some fake interviews with friends? [03:29] i am usually really good at interviewing..the past 2 weeks I have just been out of it for some reason [03:29] usually, fake interviews turn into all nighters at a bar :D [03:31] lol [03:31] that's a good end to any interview! [03:32] that it is [03:32] i mean, i even had shitty interviews with people i have known and worked with for years..it made no sense [03:33] wrong phase of the moon [03:33] or your astrological planets were mis-aligned [03:33] bad biorhythms [03:33] D) All of the above [03:33] ok, I'm out [03:34] i'll leave the plasma widgets for somebody else ;) [03:34] well you better go get some more of whatever it is you are out of [03:34] k, gonna go watch the hawks game [03:35] out of sleep ... [03:36] sweet dreams, debfx [03:37] valorie: thanks :) [07:04] hi, I want to create a flavor of KDE without Nepomuk/Strigi/Akonadi (and all its related apps). I also want to eliminate the concept of Desktop Activities. Can both of these be done, or is it too finely interleaved with the rest of KDE ? [08:33] SandGorgon: well, you can run kde without nepomuk, but for some things its presence is expected and so either functionallity gets lost or a lot of debug messages get thrown [08:34] as for akonaid, it can (technically) be removed, but I think that you wont have no addressbooks anymore [08:34] like not at all [08:34] and in the long run without akonadi access to any pim data will get lost [08:35] that of course only is valid if you use kdepim ... as of now akonadi does not get used outside kdepim [09:34] shine \o/ [09:38] [workspace] sitter * 1128409 * trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/plasma/generic/scriptengines/google_gadgets/CMakeLists.txt Make the google gadgets script engine build outside of kdebase, this makes it possible to fetch it individually and build indepent from workspace (necessary for Kubuntu) [09:39] LOOOOOK! [09:39] omg [09:39] * apachelogger is crying [10:07] apachelogger: tears of joys or sadness? [10:09] so I had a realisation the other day, our very own ScottK http://castrojo.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/scottk.jpg bears a startling resemblence to the master hacker himself, Linus Torvalds.... http://www.proyectopqmc.com/blogs/skins/hitchhikers/img/linus_torvalds.jpg [10:09] :D [10:13] apachelogger: could you add cmake to the build-dependencies of kde-l10n-* (https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDECMakeBuildDependTransition)? [10:13] jussi: joy I suppose [10:14] debfx: do we need a new version too? [10:15] !info kde-l10-de maverick [10:15] Package kde-l10-de does not exist in maverick [10:15] !info kde-l10n-de maverick [10:15] kde-l10n-de (source: kde-l10n-de): German (de) localization for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.4.2-0ubuntu6 (maverick), package size 15184 kB, installed size 36328 kB [10:15] debfx: suppose that ought to be bumped to 4.4.3? [10:19] [kde-l10n-common] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100519091859-ecuaytxdacmephy5 * debian/ (changelog control rules) Add cmake as build dep as per https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDECMakeBuildDependTransition [10:19] no clue if that is gonna finish before I have to leave for randa ^^ [10:21] Does anyone know if there is a ppa for the new nm plasmoid? daily ppa even? [10:22] no daily one, kubuntu-ppa/experimental had tonio's snapshots from before the release [10:22] and of course we have plasma-widget-networkmanagement packages in lucid [10:22] you still need to enable the kded module though [10:38] Riddell: right, I was hoping that someone was packaging it daily as sebas has just released some new improvements [11:12] plasma-scriptengine-googlegadgets_4.4.2.orig.tar.gz created; move it to the right destination to build the package [11:12] \o/ [11:20] apachelogger: yay! [11:22] * Tm_T moved to a new home [11:24] hehe.. i just created a conkyrc... well it was a bit of a copy paste from sites : http://paste.ubuntu.com/436069/ [11:28] Tm_T: and probably one with internet 10 times faster than the rest of the world :) [11:30] Riddell: nope, normal 5/2 adsl connection (slowest option what local ISP offers these days) [11:36] \o/ slowest you get? what is the fastest a plain user can gt in Finland? [11:36] get* [11:37] Mamarok: 200/100 [11:37] jussi: MBps? [11:37] yup [11:37] zomg [11:37] * Mamarok ponders moving to Finland [11:38] ^^ same here :P [11:38] or maybe it was 200/200... Ill have to check... [11:38] but too many moskitos in summer [11:38] fastest here is 16 MBps [11:38] wait... thats mbps :P [11:38] MInd, that was not here, was in helsinki...m Out here in the boondocks we only get 24/2... [11:38] but then again, one can flee in a sauna from those... [11:39] Mamarok: true [11:39] but is spending the summer in a sauna a real alternative? [11:40] Mamarok: is [11:40] is there internet in the sauna? [11:40] * Mamarok wouldn't be astonished if yes [11:41] no... [11:41] wifi? wimax? 3g? no I haven't pulled eth to sauna [11:41] definately not [11:41] * Tm_T hides [11:41] Sauna is a place of peace and relaxation [11:41] no internet... [11:41] and interwebz [11:41] jussi: true [11:42] jussi: indeed, it's not very finnish to bring any distruption to sauna [11:43] As I was taught on arrival, act in the sauna as you would in the church. [11:43] I bet the Russians do :) [11:43] jussi: ye [11:44] jussi: it's ok to play with your phone in church but not in sauna [11:44] Tm_T: depends which church I suppose [11:44] you go naked to church? [11:45] Riddell: LOL... not quite [11:45] not typically [11:45] I know you cant read finnish, but Im guessing you guys can make this out: http://www.welho.fi/yksityisille/laajakaista/laajakaistaliittymat [11:46] I was slightly wrong though [11:46] its 200/10 from welho [11:46] I think sonera has a faster upload, but I cant get to their speed stuff right now [11:48] jussi: google translate + Chromium :P [11:48] * Mamarok has 10/1 for about the same price range as Finland [11:48] :D [11:48] but 10/1 is the maximum I can get here, for now, although everything is on glas fiber already so they can speed up anytime [11:49] they already doubled the speed since last year, so I am confident :) [11:49] well, you can get 100/100 connections too, it's just different technology [11:49] 55 euros... thats 3500 rupees in india :P [11:49] yeah, I dont get why cable needs to be async [11:49] Mamarok: same here :) [11:50] i get 512 kbps now :P [11:50] shadeslayer: for how much/month? [11:50] * jussi is in the boondocks, so has to pay more... 24/2=50¤ [11:50] your € sign doesn't show [11:50] does mine? [11:50] yes [11:50] yeah, Konversation :) [11:50] Mamarok: 15 usd [11:51] shadeslayer: quite expensive [11:51] Mamarok: yeah i know :( [11:51] Mamarok: I have something screwed up with my locale settings though, something about installing with finnish keyboard and in english sets something funny up... not really sure [11:51] * jussi doesnt understand all that stuff really well [11:52] jussi: I have finnish keyboard but all languages in english [11:52] Mamarok: http://airtel.in/wps/wcm/connect/airtel.in/airtel.in/home/foryou/broadband+and+fixed+line/broadband/tariffs/ [11:52] Mamarok: the area is Haryana .... [11:53] oh yeah, and what is it with download limits... I mean who still uses them? o.O [11:54] jussi: hehe.. broadband is expensive in india,people dont download much [11:54] jussi: what they usually do is go to the market and buy pirated CD's for 10-15 INR [11:54] well 65pc of the people.. the rest 35 pc buy them... piracy went down by 2pc this year :P [11:55] hi guys.. short question: is there a specific reason to make the kubuntu-feedback survey a from LTS version a plasma widget??? its somewhat intricate to put a widet on the desktop just for a survey ^^ [11:56] howlymowly: it gives us the option of showing it by default in the pre-releases [11:56] although it probably needs to be made smaller by default for that to happen [11:56] ahh.. kk thats why... [11:56] and we still need to get nixternal to give us the results from release [11:57] hint hint :) [11:57] Riddell: i think theres a wiki page about the resulrs [11:57] *results [11:57] oh? I didn't see that [11:57] lemme pull that up [12:00] Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Lucid/Feedback/Beta2 [12:00] that's beta [12:00] final is the interesting one now [12:00] Riddell: oh.. [12:22] jussi: why no p0rn in the sauna? === shadesla1er is now known as shadeslayer [12:22] apachelogger: no pr0n in the sauna, its just not the right place for it. [12:23] my oh my, what a boring place that must be [12:23] time for sauna 2.0 [12:23] apachelogger: no, you miss the point of it... [12:23] with ajax and builtin leaks \o/ [12:24] jussi: in 5 years time my toaster will be able to do p0rn! [12:24] that is if ipv6 gets established by then [12:24] otherwise my toaster will probably not get an ip, but that is another story [12:24] apachelogger: Im sure it will... but still... sauna isnt place for pr0n... [12:24] * jussi wonders why we are having this discussion [12:25] that is an oldfashioned pov [12:25] oh and apachelogger, how is my memenu going? :D [12:25] no memenu for you! [12:25] it is broken by design [12:25] heh [12:25] needs inspection meeting [12:25] oh hold on [12:25] they already implemented it [12:25] lol [12:25] better no inspection meeting, or they have to redo it [12:25] \o/ [12:26] * apachelogger goes back outside, into the sun, because it is so horrible cold within the house :( [12:27] heh [12:49] Nightrose: Name change request submitted. just fo you [12:49] jussi: You aren't the first to make that comment (IIRC somone said the same in comments about photos published from UDS Intrepid (in Prague). [12:49] apachelogger: \o/ [12:49] *hug* [12:49] ScottK: heh [12:50] ScottK: it is a rather striking likeness though [12:51] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging/L10nOperatorGuide [13:04] https://launchpad.net/~sssup/+archive/sssup-ppa anyone tested this ? [13:06] ghostcube: flash right? [13:07] ghostcube: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/05/lightspark-open-source-flash-player.html [13:07] yes flash [13:09] html5 ftw [13:14] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/05/what-its-like-at-uds-video.html makes me want to apply for the next UDS [13:17] Just keep in mind that the bits of the video where they are in sessions talking about stuff is pretty much all of the daytime. [13:17] It's a bit under represented in the video, IMO. [13:18] hehe :) [13:19] well i love talks as well :P [13:19] maybe ill apply in a few years time :P [13:19] or ill be close by when the next one happens xD [13:27] Riddell: what needs updating in debootstrap? [13:29] txwikinger: turns out it already supports maverick so nothing needs updating [13:30] Ah cool [14:22] anyone here using pinentry-qt4 with gpg-agent? [14:22] it shows up and immediatly disappear for me :/ [14:23] it's magic voodoo for me, just works (mostly) [14:24] Riddell: almost same here, except for the "works" part :( [14:24] Riddell: do you know some voodoo sorcerer who could help me? [14:25] #kdepim would be worth a shot [14:25] or is it #kontact [14:26] They are gpg experts? [14:26] my question is not really kde oriented [14:26] I am trying to avoid typing my gpg passphrase twice each time I run debuild [14:26] agateau: I tried running kde trunk... I think I got it running except for the monochrome icons... what magic do you need for those? just making sure XDG dirs are setup correctly? [14:27] shtylman: don't know, it worked for me, but maybe not all applications have been monochrome'ed [14:27] shtylman: better ask notmart [14:27] agateau: they maintain pinentry-qt4 [14:27] agateau: how are launching your kde session? did you install into /usr/local or someplace else? [14:28] Riddell: oh ok, they have some gpg mana then :) [14:28] shtylman: I install in $HOME/opt/kde4 [14:28] shtylman: and use a .xsession to set up the vars and call $HOME/opt/kde4/bin/startkde [14:28] I see [14:28] shtylman: then to start trunk from kdm I select the "default" session [14:29] shtylman: to start the Kubuntu one I select "kde4" [14:29] mind sending me your xsession file or pastebinning it? [14:29] sure [14:30] shtylman: http://pastebin.com/K4cMfVXU [14:30] shtylman: but then you want the content of KDE4VARS_TRUNK :) [14:31] http://people.canonical.com/~agateau/tmp/KDE4VARS_TRUNK [14:31] http://people.canonical.com/~agateau/tmp/KDE4VARS_COMMON [14:31] shtylman: ^ [14:43] agateau: Does your ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf have "use-agent" uncommented? [14:43] ScottK: it does [14:47] Riddell: Next BugHug day for Ubuntu is update manager.. shall we tag on and do a Bug Hug day for something special? [14:54] agateau: hmm this is problematic. [14:55] txwikinger: imo we should have them too... we can do one for some specific app and target loads of bug for that app [14:55] see use-agent is in the skeleton gpg.conf file [14:55] maco: It's not problematic. use-agent is what he wants. [14:55] yep.. I can organise one if someone gives me the scope [14:55] Perhaps I misunderstand you though. [14:55] ScottK: he said its already uncommented [14:56] txwikinger: although i can only participate next month :P [14:56] if it's not there, my experience with kmail is that signing gpg stuff, you'll get the box to stay there, but itll hang on password input and eventuall (1-2min later?) reject the passphrase [14:56] txwikinger: How about update-manager-kde [14:56] shadeslayer: We probably crash and burn without you ;) [14:57] txwikinger: hehehe :P [14:57] ScottK: ok.. I will do that [14:57] maco: That's about right. [14:57] txwikinger: #kubuntu-bugs is pretty silent most of the time :P [14:58] agateau: We still have pinentry-qt in the archive. You might try that and see if it's better. If it's not, it points at gpg-agent. [14:58] Well. that can be changed [14:58] ScottK: but if he's got use-agent and its still broken then the agent itself is broken, yeah? [14:58] ScottK: pinentry-qt is the qt3 version? [14:58] agateau: It is. [14:58] txwikinger: oh and i joined the bugsquad :) [14:59] shadeslayer: cool [14:59] maco: Yes, but gpg-agent uses pinentry-qt4, so it's an open question which component is the problem. [14:59] agateau: lucid or mav? [14:59] maco: lucid [15:00] Is it normal that the gpg and the ssh agent are different instances? [15:00] agateau: is it helpful for me to say "works for me"? :P [15:01] maco: it gives me hope [15:01] :) [15:01] well.. at least they seem to use different files in tmp [15:01] agateau: Works for me too. [15:01] txwikinger: Yes. [15:01] gpg-agent can act as a ssh-agent, but it's not the same program. [15:01] ScottK: now I am full of hope [15:01] how do I add a key to the gpg-agent ? [15:02] and does ForwardAgent for ssh takes account of that too? [15:02] txwikinger: man gpg-agent [15:02] agateau: I looked and didn't see any settings that could be relevant. [15:03] What does your gpg-agent.conf say? [15:05] ScottK: http://pastebin.com/EGkMafcM [15:07] agateau: I get paste expired. [15:07] oh [15:08] agateau: thanks :) [15:08] even pastebin is against me! [15:08] Feel free to dump it in a PM if you want. [15:08] ScottK: ~/.gnupg/gpg-agent.conf [15:08] ScottK: http://pastebin.com/mja7YmPi [15:08] * agateau has trouble with clipboards [15:08] THE SITE IS IN READ-ONLY MODE AS WE ARE CURRENTLY MOVING HOSTER, SOME PASTES MIGHT BE MISSING FOR A FEW HOURS! [15:09] Just paste it in PM. [15:10] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/ [15:11] oh [15:14] ScottK: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/436168/ [15:14] txwikinger: thanks [15:14] * ScottK tries again [15:15] pastebin works here :P [15:17] txwikinger: the professional paster uses paste.ubuntu.com :P [15:18] :D [15:18] * txwikinger does not have a pasteria [15:18] txwikinger: use pastebinit :P [15:20] ScottK: Which package is update-manager-kde [15:20] agateau: Mine's a bit different. Yours looks like an old howto I've seen. Not sure if it will help, but http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/436170/ [15:20] txwikinger: I can't keep track. [15:20] * agateau tries [15:20] * txwikinger can't either :) [15:21] You'll have to restart gpg-agent after changing the config file. [15:23] ScottK: still fails, but much more verbose [15:23] * agateau wonders if it's an i18n issue [15:23] it's not :/ [15:24] mmmm [15:24] "command get_passphrase failed: End of file" [15:24] * agateau googles that [15:24] That sounds like pinentry and gpg-agent connected to different sockets. [15:31] oh [15:32] they seem to be able to communicate a bit though [15:32] gpg-agent passes a few OPTION commands [15:32] but fails when it tries to pass GET_PASSPHRASE [15:32] Riddell: Now that you've taken away my kivio, what am I to use to open my .flw files? [15:34] I fear I'm only a messenger for upstream in these matters ScottK [15:34] Sigh. [15:34] txwikinger: there are probably KDE bugs in update-manager we should look at [15:35] yeah.. I just saw it is part of update-manager [15:35] I will have a look [15:47] well... using pinentry-gtk2 works :/ [15:47] this will do for now [15:51] aww [15:51] * ScottK will not use programs with unique data formats for work again. [15:51] * ScottK will not use programs with unique data formats for work again. [15:51] * ScottK will not use programs with unique data formats for work again. [15:51] (imagine about 100 of those) [15:51] haha [15:53] Karmic kivio packages work on Lucid, but that's not a long term solution. [15:57] * ScottK looks at http://slangkamp.wordpress.com/2009/07/27/the-state-of-kivio/ and sniffles a bit. [15:57] debfx could probablyl finish it up in ~ a week if only he were motivated. [16:02] [workspace] sitter * 1128532 * trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/plasma/generic/scriptengines/google_gadgets/CMakeLists.txt Don't look for KDE twice, Hydrogen doesn't like it... [16:03] I doubt that since I've never even used koffice ^^ [16:05] OK. Two weeks. [16:06] You've done miracles before. [16:06] * apachelogger is off for sprint travelling [16:10] Riddell: In umbrello is one of these fancy UML things ~ equivalent to what I would call a flow chart? [16:13] ScottK: no [16:14] UML is for describing objects and relationships...etc [16:14] * ScottK knows what it is, just never uses it enough to remember anything else. [16:14] Looks like dia it is. [16:14] heh [16:19] indeed no flow chart in UML [16:25] If you really wanted to.. you maybe would be able to make use a status diagram for a flow chart [16:25] or use cases [16:26] * txwikinger looks in his umbrello diagrams [16:27] ScottK: I used status diagram to do flow chart like stuff in umbrello [16:27] sorry state diagram === Dyrcona is now known as Repair === Repair is now known as Repair_Shelf === Repair_Shelf is now known as Dyrcona [16:44] Thanks. === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [17:25] anyone around? i tried to compile ktorrent rc1 and i got this : http://paste.ubuntu.com/436222/ [17:26] c++ breakage? [17:27] Riddell: eh? [17:28] you mean to say im using a old version of gcc ? [17:28] I mean it's c++ and something is broken [17:28] probably can't say more without looking at the sources [17:28] maybe pastebin the videowidget.h file [17:29] yeah im looking at that file : [17:29] hold on [17:30] Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/436231/ [17:33] what's in Phonon/VideoWidget ? [17:33] Riddell: um.. nothing.. theres no such folder :P [17:34] oh i think i need the latest phonon as well... [17:34] but cmake doesnt give any errors about that... [17:35] Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/436238/ [17:36] Riddell: thats the output of ls -laR [17:38] /usr/include/qt4/phonon/videowidget.h is the file and looks fine [17:40] Riddell: i just commented line 71 to see what happens :P [17:40] errors... [17:44] shadeslayer: can you run make with VERBOSE=1 [17:44] to see what all the include paths are [17:47] hold on [17:49] Is there a Phonon namespace? [17:49] yes [17:49] im on a call right now :P [17:53] http://paste.ubuntu.com/436252/ [17:54] shtylman: Riddell Dyrcona ^^ [17:56] looks right to me === michaelk is now known as Guest26555 [18:03] shtylman: so how do i compile it :P [18:03] where did you get the source from? [18:03] shtylman: ktorrent.org [18:04] its the RC1 [18:04] k [18:04] im following this : http://ktorrent.org/wiki/index.php/FAQ [18:08] shtylman: oh btw youll need to compile libktorrent too.. just remember that :P === yofel_ is now known as yofel [18:21]