=== JanC_ is now known as JanC === JFo-afk is now known as JFo [16:00] hi all [16:00] o/ [16:00] * barry waves [16:00] hiya [16:00] hello [16:01] * cjwatson quickly creates https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0519 [16:02] Keybuk,doko,psurbhi: ? [16:02] hi [16:02] hi [16:02] #startmeeting [16:02] Meeting started at 10:02. The chair is cjwatson. [16:02] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [16:02] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0519 [16:02] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0519 [16:03] right, so not much of an agenda today, just wanted a quick sync after UDS mostly in case anyone had any unresolved issues [16:03] [TOPIC] Lightning Round [16:03] New Topic: Lightning Round [16:03] >>> print ', '.join(order) [16:03] Keybuk, barry, ev, cjwatson, doko, mvo [16:04] This week I have been mostly catching up on sleep, laundry and UDS notes. [16:04] Turning the latter into roadmaps and work items. [16:04] Expect to be doing that for much of the next week too. [16:04] -- [16:04] it shouldn't take Kebuk as long as to place a settelemnt ;) [16:04] done: created python versions for maverick wiki page; began discussions on debian-python and python-dev; computer janitor triage and prep for v2 upload. todo: update blueprints w/work items; build python 2.7 and create ppa; build and upload cj 2.0.1; begin planing for pep 384 (stable abi) [EOT] [16:05] writing up blueprints, spent some time learning kvm-autotest, experimenting with sikuli and hudson per foundations-m-upgrade-and-install-testing. [16:05] partially blocked: writing up installer redesign spec. Spoke with Ivanka and she now knows that it needs to be ready by feature definition freeze. [16:05] -- [16:05] kvm-autotest \o/ [16:05] sikuli is prettier [16:05] done: writing up specs, catching up on grub development (sent btrfs probe branch upstream for review), some merge catch-up [16:05] todo: finish specs and get stuck into foundations-m-cd-boot, I think [16:05] -- [16:06] done: fix toolchain build failures, start i486->i686 transition on i386 [16:06] ev: have you looked at xpresser? [16:06] todo: fix failures for this transition ... [16:06] -- [16:06] did: uds [16:06] will do: spec/workitems writing, software-center code review/merges, SRUs for update-manager [16:06] (eof) [16:06] ev: nice, checking it out now [16:06] barry: oo, not yet. Added to my list :) [16:08] ev: :) mvo: i wonder if we can/should get a little design team love for cj? we have a few usability bugs opened [16:08] oh, that's it for the lightning round isn't it, unless robbiew has anything to add [16:08] can't get used to this smaller team [16:08] if only we had more headcount [16:08] :) [16:08] yeah...yeah [16:09] I don't have anything in my mailbox by way of extra agenda items [16:09] cjwatson: didn't you miss new members? [16:10] psurbhi is still technically kernel team, but lurking I gather :-) [16:10] * mvo waves to psurbhi [16:10] * psurbhi waves to mvo [16:11] ev: no debs for sikuli yet it seems? [16:11] mvo: yeah, not yet. Just grab the zip and openjdk-6-jre, libcv4, libcvaux4, and libhighgui4 [16:12] oh and a massive amount of RAM, as it's Java. [16:12] heh :) [16:12] * barry visits newegg.com [16:14] lol [16:14] psurbhi is going to be joining us shortly, with a strong filesystems background, and will be starting out working on userspace pieces we need to support btrfs properly [16:14] so it's official? [16:14] psurbhi: \o/ [16:14] :-) [16:15] psurbhi: welcome to the team! [16:15] ev, thank you :) [16:16] I'm sure you'll all help her out with any questions she may have :-) [16:16] from the lightning round, it doesn't look as though anyone particularly needs urging to get their specs drafted, but just in case, [16:16] [TOPIC] Good news [16:16] New Topic: Good news [16:17] cjwatson: on the missing btrfs spec, the audio is up on the website now [16:17] looks like we have a viable workaround for the dpkg fsync issues, so we should be able to get that into -proposed this wewek [16:17] week [16:17] Keybuk: oh cool, thanks - videos.ubuntu.com? [16:17] http://uds.ubuntu.com/audio/uds-m/ [16:17] dpkg> nice! [16:17] LINK received: http://uds.ubuntu.com/audio/uds-m/ [16:18] excellent. shame I'll have to listen to myself talking. :) [16:18] elmo said he'd have a list of the videod sessions that are still to be encoded [16:18] language-selector got a dbus based design and is ready for the 21th century now [16:18] cjwatson: you can listen to yourself being wrong on the Internet and shout at yourself through your computer? :p [16:18] more like listen to my voice being about half an octave higher than it sounds on the inside [16:18] but there you go [16:19] yeah, I never realised how squeaky my voice is [16:19] I never realized how much I sound like Barry White [16:19] mvo: i didn't make that session, but i tried to get to that for lucid and failed. i should probably work on that for mav [16:19] mvo: l-s> and lots of time to land it for maverick :-) [16:20] cjwatson: heh :) indeed! [16:20] ok [16:20] [TOPIC] AOB [16:20] New Topic: AOB [16:20] (because this meeting has been entirely carefully agendaed items, oh yes) [16:21] robbiew: so are you expecting to stay with us for a while now? :-) [16:21] wb robbiew btw [16:21] oh, indeed [16:21] heh...if a while is a few weeks...then yes [16:21] lol [16:22] internet time [16:22] but you can rest assured that you will have a dedicated manager from here on out [16:23] anyone else want to use mumble more, once it's transitioned to openid? [16:23] ev: it has transitioned ;) [16:23] doko: re the i686 switch, is there anything we need to be aware of in individual packages? [16:23] ORLY [16:23] ev: just announced [16:24] ev: are you thinking of mumble instead of irc for this meeting? [16:24] cool, time to hit UK not-quite-newegg for a bluetooth headset [16:24] that would be cool, but painful to make notes of [16:24] yeah [16:24] cjwatson: need to investigate source packages. DEB_*_GNU_CPU and DEB_*_GNU_TYPE did change [16:24] on my list for tomorrow [16:24] wow, that will be fun [16:24] (I guess that was necessary?) [16:25] dpkg upstream asked me about your dpkg change, I hadn't noticed it before then :) [16:25] that should be easy, just grepping rules files [16:25] will be needed for debian as well, either i585 or i686 [16:28] mumble/irc: I think irc is still likely to be best for recorded meetings, but mumble looks good for social chat and occasional, well, mumblings about what you're doing, the sort of thing you might say to the person sitting next to you [16:28] but I don't know, I expect it will evolve over time [16:29] ? [16:29] https://wiki.canonical.com/Mumble [16:30] ok, anything else before we adjourn? [16:31] if anyone has something nice to add to this, it would be great! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BarryWarsaw/MyApplication [16:31] mvo: thanks! === pgraner is now known as pgraner-afk [16:33] ok, I think we're done, thanks all [16:33] #endmeeting [16:33] Meeting finished at 10:33. [16:33] thanks [16:33] thanks! [16:33] cjwatson, thanks [16:33] thanks! [16:53] 'lo === ArneGoet1e is now known as ArneGoetje [17:57] * ara waves [17:58] * marjo waves [17:59] hey all! [17:59] o/ [18:00] * charlie-tca waves [18:00] #startmeeting QA Team Meeting [18:00] Meeting started at 12:00. The chair is marjo. [18:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [18:00] hello! [18:00] [TOPIC] Agenda [18:00] New Topic: Agenda [18:00] * SRU testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie) [18:00] * Bug Day status -- pvillavi [18:00] * QA meetings reorg - ara [18:01] * Announce next chairperson [18:01] [TOPIC] SRU Testing -- sbeattie [18:01] New Topic: SRU Testing -- sbeattie [18:01] SRU Activity report for the past 2 weeks (since 2010-05-05): [18:01] * lucid: 44 new packages in -proposed [18:01] and 61 packages pushed to -updates [18:01] * karmic: 5 new packages in -proposed (gdm, landscape-client, libatasmart, pastebinit, update-manager) [18:01] and 5 packages pushed to -updates (bansheelyricsplugin, boost1.38, etoys, gdm, landscape-client) [18:01] * jaunty: 2 new packages in -proposed (landscape-client, pastebinit) [18:01] and 2 packages pushed to -updates (etoys, landscape-client) [18:01] * hardy: 1 package pushed to -updates (nfs-utils) [18:01] * dapper: no SRU activity [18:01] Thanks to ionospheric, Paul Elliott (omahn), Mario Limonciello (superm1), fx5, Hideki Sakurada, Ville Ranki (cos^), Henning Moll, Marco De Paolini, Guenter Roeck, arand, Benjamin Kay (benkay86), Martin Božič, leighman, Plafuro, tankdriver, Ron S, Irihapeti, neutrinux, Roel van Os, Paul Elliott (omahn), Thorsten Reinbold, Dmitry Shachnev, Frank Groeneveld, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage), Ken Weill P. Lumacad, Daniel Richard G. [18:01] , Pekka Hämäläinen, daniele80, Moritz Kobel, Paolo4500, Scott Howard (showard), besson3c, Herco van Brug, Stephen Day, Simon Steinbeiß (ochosi), johnny b, WiNeOS, Fabio Marconi (njin), Imre Gergely (cemc), Chris Guirl, hhfischer, Jussi Kekkonen, Daniel Che, jamboarder and others for testing SRUs this week. [18:02] SRUs for lucid are still going strong, as expected. [18:02] sbeattie: your prediction for increased SRU testing came true! thx to all SRU testers! [18:03] sbeattie: anything else? [18:03] Indeed, thanks to everyone above, and others I missed; in particular Paul Elliott (omahn) has been quite active in testing a number of SRUs [18:04] That's all I've got. [18:04] thx sbeattie [18:04] [TOPIC] Bug Day status - pvillavi [18:04] New Topic: Bug Day status - pvillavi [18:04] sbeattie: one thing we talked about at UDS was sending stuff to Ubuntu Weekly News [18:04] sbeattie: perhaps your report would be a good thing to send? [18:04] bdmurray: oh, that's probably a good idea. [18:05] Hi!, not much on the topic, nothing from previous weeks, but we're having a bug day based on Update Manager tomorrow : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100520 [18:05] pedro_ thx for the announcement [18:05] Some folks already started to work on it, if you have a few spare minutes please consider on join us ;-) [18:05] I am sure mvo will be happy to help triagers ;-) [18:06] i'm sure mvo will be really happy ;-) [18:06] ara yeah! [18:06] pedro_ anything else? [18:06] marjo, nope, that's all from here [18:07] [TOPIC] QA meetings reorg - ara [18:07] New Topic: QA meetings reorg - ara [18:07] * highvoltage admits to only testing his own SRU :p [18:07] So, in case you haven't seen the email, we talked at UDS about improving meetings [18:08] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Specs/ImprovingCommunication [18:09] charlie-tca and others find difficult to attend this meeting, so we are planning in rotate the meeting times, to see if it helps [18:09] every other week, the meeting will be at 17:00UTC, as usual, but the other meeting time is up to you [18:09] Paolo has set a poll to see which time is best for the team [18:10] please vote at http://doodle.com/qskx79utvgaa9ubv if you haven't done so [18:10] When we had more regular MOTU meetings, we found that it was useful to do three times, staggered by 8 hours, to ensure everyone could attend sometime. [18:10] [LINK] http://doodle.com/qskx79utvgaa9ubv [18:10] LINK received: http://doodle.com/qskx79utvgaa9ubv [18:10] ara: I'm willing to try it, but I've found varying meeting times for teams where it was less crucial for me to attend meant that I never knew when the meeting was, and didn't attend any of them. [18:10] Also, given the stated goals, a doodle poll in advance will likely only catch those already finding this time awkward, rather than those who might be attracted with a different time. [18:11] sbeattie, there will be reminders to the list ;-) [18:12] (e.g. the MOTU meetings being a prime example of me not knowing when they are) [18:12] sbeattie, the idea is always wednesdays with only 2 different times [18:12] Well, none have been held in a couple years, which has something to do with that :) [18:12] every other week [18:13] and send reminders to the mailing list a couple of days ahead (asking for topics to cover, as well) [18:14] yeah, that sounds good. [18:14] sbeattie, anyway, if we never test it, we will never know if it works. if it doesn't, we can always go back to the good old times [18:15] ara: agree, let's try something different and see if it helps [18:15] ara: There was also some talk of having different people chair the meeting; is that still planned as well? [18:15] fader_, indeed, if we rotate the chair person, it is likely that he/she will send notes, reminders and the alike [18:16] i.e. I am sure marjo will send the summary to the mailing list ;-) [18:16] fader_ yes, that's on the agenda for today [18:16] Sorry, getting ahead of things :) [18:16] fader_ please try to follow the agenda and mind the chairperson [18:16] Are there other things that we feel need to be adjusted with the meetings? [18:17] (besides schedule, rotating chair) [18:17] I really liked the idea of inviting other teams, locos, etc. to talk at the meetings [18:17] Cross-pollination and all that [18:17] sbeattie: i think the topics are most important to increase participation [18:18] fader_ that would contribute to the interesting topics objective, but we have to find a good meeting time first so people can actually attend [18:19] Details, details [18:19] I think it's better to get folks from other places to be *part** of this team also, rather than specifically inviting them to speak. [18:19] persia: Indeed; bad phrasing on my part. I think the goal was to have a tighter collaboration between QA and other teams, and one way to do that is to encourage more communication [18:20] Not that the goal in and of itself is to have guest lecturers or anything === yofel_ is now known as yofel [18:20] ara: anything else you'd like to add to this topic? [18:21] marjo, no, thx [18:21] [TOPIC] New topics? [18:21] New Topic: New topics? [18:22] folks: any other topics for today's meeting? [18:22] if not, next week's meeting chairperson is ara [18:22] thx ara [18:23] from now on, we will rotate the chairperson for each meeting [18:23] let's see how well that works and adjust accordingly [18:23] when do we want to start the time alternation? [18:24] sbeattie: ASAP, but let's get through the poll first, of course [18:24] sbeattie: did i answer your question, or did i misunderstand it? [18:25] I just wasn't sure if we intended to use the result of the poll for next week's meeting. [18:25] sbeattie: ah ok [18:25] ara: that's an obvious topic for next week's agenda [18:25] marjo, sure [18:26] sbeattie: is that good enough? [18:26] sure [18:26] ok, if there are no other new topics or questions, i propose we end the meeting [18:27] going once [18:27] going twice [18:27] meeting adjourned [18:27] thx everyone! [18:27] Thanks all [18:27] cheerio! [18:27] Great meeting. Thanks everyone [18:27] #endmeeting [18:27] Meeting finished at 12:27. [18:40] ~o~ === bladernr_ is now known as bladernr-afk [19:58] am I late? [19:58] mhall119: nope [19:58] perfect timing in fact :) [19:58] wow, how about that [20:00] heh, first time for everything :) === jjohansen is now known as jj-lunch [20:01] Edubuntu meeting time! [20:02] Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Meetings/Agenda as usual [20:02] seems like it's just the 3 of us tonight [20:02] :( [20:03] no problem though, we can just run through the items and post to the list [20:03] yep, sounds good [20:03] I guess we should announce the meetings better on the lists as well, people tend to forget [20:03] As I'm sure you'll know, last week was UDS [20:03] I've pasted links to the blueprints on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Devel/RoadMap [20:04] proper specifications still need to be drawn up [20:04] it's on my todo list but my concentration span has been completely erratic this week :) [20:05] I'll put together some drafts before the end of the week, so if anyone wants to help complete or review them that would be great [20:05] I should be able to help out :) [20:05] great [20:06] If you follow the -devel mailing list, I'm sure you guys have noticed that Tomek from Debian has almost finished packaging Moodle 1.0 [20:06] oops, 1.9 [20:07] doesn't seem like we'll have to do as much work as anticipated at least! [20:07] :D [20:07] We're going to work on the Debian wiki, you can subscribe to http://wiki.debian.org/Moodle to stay up to date [20:08] mailing list is at http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-moodle-maintainers if anyone is interested in getting involved with the packaging [20:10] besides that we're still very much in planning mode for Maverick, next week we'll probably be going full steam at everything technical [20:11] especially since this is going to be quite a short release cycle, since the release date has moved down to 2010-10-10 instead of 2010-10-26 [20:11] see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickReleaseSchedule for details on release schedule [20:12] :) are we going to be discussing what happened @ UDS this meeting? [20:12] especially regarding the teams blueprint.. :) [20:12] well it's on the agenda, so I guess yes! [20:13] ok so that's it for technical [20:13] (this feels like an ubuntu-classroom session with me doing so much talking :) ) [20:14] so, we still have too many LP teams that are mostly unused [20:14] we discussed them at UDS and we're going to merge together or delete some groups [20:15] the groups with "-" signs before them will be removed/merged: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-maverick-edubuntu-community [20:15] Jordan actually bought up that we probably shouldn't merge the menu-dev team with edubuntu-dev, since edubuntu-dev has a lot more rights so it's probably not a good idea [20:16] I'll post the LP teams changes to the list so that we can discuss it there [20:16] I'm back [20:16] was pulled away for work [20:16] mhall119: :) [20:16] I totally read that in a Scwartzenegger accent [20:16] haha [20:17] btw mhall119 - remember to ask questions in #ubuntu-meeting-chat [20:17] (couldnt resist :D) [20:17] lol [20:17] heh [20:18] bencrisford: not sure if you had any comments about the LP teams or whether you're fine just posting it to the list? [20:18] if ~edubuntu-artwork merges with ~edubuntu-dev does that mean the artists get upload privelidges to all of the ~edubuntu-dev/+junk/branches? [20:19] I thought those were the people working on plymouth and gdm themes [20:19] ah, I should add some clarification there [20:20] oh ok [20:20] bencrisford: "merge" has some slightly different meaning in this context. we'll basically discontinue that team and people who are more interested in the packaging and bug fixing parts can have it sponsored and eventually join edubuntu-dev [20:20] highvoltage: ok, I see :) [20:20] and the same for italc-dev? [20:20] people who are more interested in creating artwork and new designs should get involved with ubuntu-art [20:20] basically, yes [20:21] I see :) [20:22] the action plan looks pretty neat then team-wise :) === pgraner-afk is now known as pgraner [20:22] well if it doesn't work we could always change it again :) [20:22] yeah :) [20:23] currently it's more or less the same people involved everywhere so it shouldn't be a problem [20:23] if there are dozens of dedicated italc developers one day then I guess it would make sense to have a new team for them again :) [20:24] Our website progress isn't that great [20:24] I pinged hedgemadge last week and asked for the tarballs, but she hasn't had the chance yet [20:24] I know both hedgmadge and dhillion have been very busy with real-life stuff [20:25] dhillion finished his AP exams and only has a couple weeks of school left [20:25] so he should be around more [20:25] he was on last night [20:25] that will be great === bladernr-afk is now known as bladernr_ [20:25] it would be nice to have the website up before he finishes [20:25] that way when he does finish it's ready for fixing and further population [20:26] I get a lot of new frequently asked questions and I could make a lot of changes to the current site to address that... [20:26] I just don't want to put a lot of effort into it if we're going to trash the old site in a few days anyway [20:27] are we not using Launchpad for Q&A? [20:27] no, but there's no good reason not to [20:27] well we can still use it for q+a... but FAQs are still useful [20:28] saves people filling out a question.. waiting for an answer.. etc. when they can just go on to some page and see their problem straight away :) [20:28] yeah we can find the FAQs in the Q&A questions [20:28] sounds like a plan :) [20:28] I wonder how much effort it would be to use launchpad's API to pull in Q&As [20:29] something to look into another day [20:29] thats an interesting idea.. :) (im churning out ALOT of smileys today :/, i think its cos its sunny) [20:29] what does the future website run? [20:29] bencrisford: heh, it's exactly the opposite here. people are getting all miserable and getting colds as it's getting more and more cold [20:29] mhall119: drupal [20:30] man, it's > 90F here [20:30] * mhall119 hates the sun these days [20:30] highvoltage: just starting to warm up now, after like months and months of utterly miserable weather [20:30] its still pretty chilly, but its sunny which makes it kind of OK [20:30] mhall119: it's actually the old site, cleaned up a lot, new theme, all the old bugs fixed, forums with ML integration and a few other small things [20:31] highvoltage: cool [20:31] today the weather was baconny here [20:31] mmmm, bacon [20:31] ( http://jonathancarter.co.za/2010/05/19/this-operating-system-has-everything/ ) [20:32] lol [20:32] mhall119: so this API, you mean pull it in from LP to Drupal? [20:32] yeah [20:32] like we currently pull from LP to Django for loco.ubuntu.com [20:33] wow, I have email and bacon too! :D [20:33] it might be worth looking into [20:34] the more we can get updated on the site automatically the better [20:35] highvoltage: how did you test the ubiquity slideshow as you were putting it together? [20:35] mhall119: I installed the package on to the live environment [20:36] and then just ran ubiquity? [20:36] the install I mean [20:36] mhall119: well, when it seemed ok. you can also open the index.html file in firefox (or another web browser) to look through all the slides [20:36] you can edit a file that's called something similar to slideshow.js and make the slide delay shorter which is quite useful for testing [20:37] yep, so I would check it in firefox, and then when it seemed ok I'd put it in the package, install it on the live cd and fire up ubiquity to see if there were anything weird [20:37] thanks, looks like I'm missing the js for that [20:38] yeah that would break it for sure :) [20:39] there's two sub-directories. link and link-core [20:39] you'll find the basic images and css in link and the js in link-core [20:39] working now, thanks [20:40] ok on to advocacy team! (I nearly forgot) [20:40] bencrisford: have you been following the talk on the mailing list? [20:40] highvoltage: ? I didn't know there was one :S [20:41] which ML? [20:41] one moment... [20:41] bencrisford: eek, I thought it was on the edubuntu-devel mailing list, but it was on the ubuntu-education mailing list [20:41] that will be why :) [20:41] (which I assume now that you're not on) [20:41] * bencrisford searched for ubuntu-education archives [20:42] I will subscribe now :D [20:42] when you have a chance, please check the messages on the archives from the last few days [20:42] that list basically died a while ago [20:42] cproffit and dinda revived it [20:42] with similar goals do what we have for the advocacy project [20:43] ok, cool :) [20:43] so I'm suggesting that we use that advocacy team on LP and an associated list for internal stuff, planning, etc [20:43] and the ubuntu-education list for teachers and our non-technical education contributors [20:44] sounds good :) [20:44] is it the messages entitles "Myself"? [20:44] heh, yes, it took a few twists and turns from the original introduction :) [20:45] okey dokey :) [20:46] I'll send some more mails out about that (sheesh I'm getting even more noisy) just to make sure everyone is on the same page [20:46] :) [20:47] I should've actually pinged you before about the education list but I thought that discussion was on -devel since it all goes into the same mail folder [20:47] heh, its ok [20:47] :) [20:48] cool, you should make some noise too and introduce yourself on that list :) [20:48] really? :P [20:48] well, since you're technically the leader of our advocacy team... yes :) [20:49] (well, good noise, not noise as in signal to noise ;) ) [20:49] ok :), good noise - tomboy'd :D [20:49] do we have anything else for this meeting that I forgot about? [20:49] not on the agenda [20:49] but can I mention marketing materials? [20:50] yep, fire away [20:50] well basically, there arent any :/ :( [20:51] im thinking maybe we could try and work with the marketing team on this ? or spreadubuntu or something.. [20:51] I like the spreadubuntu stuff since a lot of it is available in .svg [20:51] but getting some leaflets out to LoCos could really help us if they gave them out at events etc. [20:51] highvoltage: yeah :D [20:51] and maybe web buttons? [20:52] I have made a few poor attempts at them [20:52] when our website is done, yes :) [20:52] im thinking maybe some of the marketing peeps will be more experienced [20:52] I don't feel very proud advertising our current website [20:52] http://ubuntuone.com/p/1qA/ - that sort of thing maybe..? [20:52] :P I dont know [20:52] highvoltage: haha, its not that bad! [20:53] the information is just outdated [20:53] I personally love the design etc [20:53] (of the site) [20:53]