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niko.3300:07
ubotturww called the ops in #ubuntu-women (Runding)00:14
Jordan_Ukaran in #ubuntu01:25
Ubantu_dudeSo why are networking questions not allowed in #Ubuntu?03:29
IdleOneUbantu_dude: your question was not related to ubuntu in any way. I asked you twice to remain on topic and you ignored me03:30
Ubantu_dudeI am using Ubuntu and I had a question about network setup03:30
Ubantu_dudeseems pretty on topic to me03:30
IdleOneno you are using ubuntu and asking about bringing T1 connections or whatever it was03:31
IdleOnebridging*03:31
IdleOneit has absolutely nothing to do with Ubuntu03:31
IdleOnenow it's simple03:31
Ubantu_dudeSo are you saying Ubantu does not support T1 connections?03:31
IdleOneI am saying #ubuntu does not provide support for non ubuntu related questions03:32
Ubantu_dudebecause I believe the hdlc modules is included03:32
IdleOneare you online using ubuntu right now?03:32
Ubantu_dudeI am trying to set this up under ubuntu03:32
Ubantu_dudeNo I am on my desktop, my server runs Ubuntu03:32
Ubantu_dudeSo I have to prove I use Ubuntu now before I can ask questions?03:32
IdleOneno you need to ask a Ubuntu related question03:32
IdleOneI am not going to argue the validity of your question. I am telling you it is offtopic!03:33
Ubantu_dudeWell I am telling you you are an uppity faggot03:33
IdleOne!ops | can I get a hand here please03:33
ubottucan I get a hand here please: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) -  elky, Madpilot, tritium, Nalioth, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, jpds, gnomefreak, bazhang, jussi, Flannel, ikonia, maco, h00k, IdleOne, or nhandler!03:33
ubottuIdleOne called the ops in #ubuntu-ops (can I get a hand here please)03:33
IdleOnethank you tsimpson03:33
tritiumIdleOne: what's up?03:34
IdleOnetsimpson: took care of it03:34
IdleOnethanks tritium :)03:34
tritium:)03:34
elkytritium, oh he was just being an uppity *cough*03:34
tritiumelky: hehe03:35
IdleOneelky: was I? :/03:36
IdleOneI mean for real.03:36
elkyIdleOne, no03:36
IdleOneoh ok03:36
IdleOneI didn't think I was being uppity03:36
IdleOnebut good to have confirmation03:36
ubottuIdleOne called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic (Ubantu_dude)03:38
IdleOneI think I got my first stalker03:39
elkyIdleOne, congratulations, you officially have a fan club.03:39
IdleOneyup03:39
IdleOnemay want to keep an eye on #ubuntu. he is back03:41
IdleOneturns out he isn't a half bad guy03:59
IdleOneheh03:59
IdleOneubottu: register is Information about registering your nickname: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select your nickname. Registration help available by typing /join #freenode04:40
ubottuError: That operation cannot be done in a channel.04:40
ubottuIn #ubuntu-ops, IdleOne said: ubottu: register is Information about registering your nickname: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select your nickname. Registration help available by typing /join #freenode04:40
Flannel!register04:46
ubottuInformation about registering your nickname: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select your nickname. Registration help available in #freenode04:46
FlannelWhat changed?04:46
IdleOneFlannel: the type /join04:48
IdleOnejust easier for new users04:48
FlannelOh04:48
IdleOnewe give them the info they need where to get it and how to get there04:49
IdleOne:)04:49
Flannel!register =~ s$in #freenode$by typing /join #freenode$04:49
ubottuI'll remember that Flannel04:49
Flannel!register04:49
ubottuInformation about registering your nickname: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select your nickname. Registration help available by typing /join #freenode04:49
IdleOnethank you04:49
=== essy is now known as SportChick
gartrali seem to have been banned from #ubuntu.. after a very annoying conversation.06:29
IdleOneno you got banned after arguing that you breaking the rule about not swearing was justified06:29
gartralalso without the chance to collect the only posative answer i recived06:30
IdleOneI gave you the answer 3 times06:30
IdleOneand I will give it to you once more06:30
IdleOne/connect irc.gimp.org06:30
gartralIdleOne: you kicked me for sending my last reply at the SAME second you asked me too drop the subject. we hit near simultaniously. I can't read your mind06:30
IdleOneread the guidelines again and the CoC please. let me know when you are done and we can then discuss the removal of the ban06:31
IdleOnePlease read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines and channel topics Please read http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/06:31
IdleOnejust in case your client didn't catch the kick message06:32
gartrali understand my swearing was wrong. and i never directly said i was justified, i simply implied that there are exceptions, not that i was one of them06:32
IdleOneand I am telling you that there are no exceptions to that rule in #ubuntu06:32
IdleOneespecially if I am around06:32
IdleOneand you didn't imply anything you were very clear about it06:33
gartralmy point was made in #ubuntu. I won't repeat it. same as you proved your point06:33
IdleOne[01:27:57] <gartral> IdleOne: there are exceptions to every rule, everywhere. Period.06:33
IdleOnethat does not look like you were implying06:34
gartrali said "there are exceptions to every rule, last time there wasnt, we had the USSR" i NEVER said "My case IS an exception"06:34
IdleOneyes and then I told you that there arent06:34
gartralok i said that too. but i never said "my case is an exception"06:34
IdleOnenot for this rule06:34
IdleOnesimple as that.06:34
IdleOnedid that server connect you to gimp?06:35
IdleOneI am curious to know if it works06:35
gartralit's farther back than i can scroll already..06:35
IdleOne/connect irc.gimp.org06:35
gartralno06:36
gartralstill no dice06:36
IdleOneso can I safely unban you without any scene being caused in #ubuntu06:36
IdleOnetry irc.us.gimp.org06:37
gartralmay i please go back into #ubuntu.. since were BOTH breaking CoC by continuing here?06:37
IdleOnewe aren't breaking Please read http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ by discussing this here06:37
IdleOneerr06:37
IdleOneauto complete fail06:37
gartralthis is not a support channel, and i have been kicked here for exactly what were doing now06:37
IdleOneI am an op. discussing with you about your ban and I am also trying to help you with your issue.06:38
IdleOneI am going to remove the ban and ask you to take a look at the guidelines and the coc when you got a minute. Please don't make me have to ban you again.06:39
IdleOnedone you can rejoin #ubuntu06:40
gartrali understand why you banned me, but please see my point, what the xchat group is calling "crossplatform supprot" is literally robbery.. wouldnt you swear if you knew there were people out to steal from you?06:40
IdleOnegartral: I don't know what xchat is doing or what. all I know is that I have rules to follow and enforce. This is actually the first time I have seen anything "wrong" from you06:41
IdleOneI am guessing this has got you pretty upset but if I was you I would talk about it with the Xchat devs.06:42
IdleOnebe polite :)06:42
gartralIdleOne: i swear in public as a kneejerk reaction when faced with two scenarios: 1) im being attacked, either physically or emotionally, and 2, as a direct response to something i veiw as dead wrong. the Xchat people literally CHARGING you to use their software in mac or windows, and not linux, is something that makes me very upset.06:43
IdleOnegartral: I hear you, #ubuntu is not the place to scream about it06:44
IdleOnethey also offer a few extra features that linux version does not have iirc06:45
IdleOnebut that is besides the point06:45
gartralIdleOne: again, it's a kneejerk reaction.. and also, for me being what they call "autistic" i think im very on top of my own emotions06:45
IdleOnein any case. you can rejoin #ubuntu if you haven't already06:46
gartralalso.. i understand you thought my last post in #ubuntu was deliberatly against what you said, but we literally hit our return keys in the same second. I'm humbly asking for an apology for the ban.06:47
IdleOneyou want me to apologize for banning you?06:48
IdleOneI am not going to. I banned you because I needed to get a semi out of control user out of #ubuntu to minimize the disruption to the channel. and you joined here before I was able to send you a msg asking you to join.06:49
gartralit's a mere, humble request, purly based on circumstance. My last post was going to be my last on the subject, intervention or not.06:50
gartrali wouldnt ask if we had not hit enter in the same second, you LITERALLY banned me before i had the chance to look up from my keyboard.06:51
IdleOnethere was a 14 seconds between your last post and my banning you.06:51
IdleOnegartral: listen dude. I was not wrong. I wont apologize. I will however ask another op to look at the back log and see what they think about it.06:52
IdleOnePici: ping06:53
IdleOneany other op around?06:54
gartrali dont have a lastlog since you banned me, but i destinctly remember my post going out at 1:27:36, yours, asking me to stop, couldnt have came after, cause you decided that post was ban worthy, therefore, we must have been a second within each-others message hitting the server.06:54
IdleOne!logs06:56
ubottuOfficial channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/06:56
IdleOnethere you go06:56
gartralthere are no second timestamps..06:57
gartralalso, they appear to be an hour out of sync06:58
IdleOne!appeals06:58
ubottuIf you disagree with a decision by an operator, please first pay #ubuntu-ops a visit. If you are still unhappy, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/AppealProcess for the steps you should take. If you feel the need to discuss the channel rules, please contact the ops on IRC or via the email address on the aforementioned page.06:58
IdleOnenow mind you, appealing a ban that I have already removed would be a little silly06:59
funkyHatI was just thinking that06:59
IdleOneI explained my position on the apology you asked for.06:59
gartrali was about to say, havent we done this, in complete circle, with a positive outcome?07:00
IdleOneso I don't know what else there is to discuss07:00
gartralall i asked for, humbly, was an apology for your jumping the banhammer..07:00
IdleOneI explained why I banned.07:01
IdleOnemy explanation is clear and I think explains why I don't owe you an apology07:01
gartraland i explained, calmly and collected, why i wanted an apology, our messages literally hit server at same second.07:01
IdleOneok.07:01
mneptok /connect irc.gnome.org07:02
IdleOnelet me say it one last time07:02
gartralmneptok: tryed that. nogo07:02
mneptoki know that works, as i'm connected to that network 24/707:02
IdleOneI will not apologize for being correct07:02
gartralIdleOne: and theres our disagreement, i fel you were incorrect07:02
IdleOneyou can email the irc ops team from that link I gave you up there07:03
gartralfeel*07:03
mneptokgartral: then your options are an appeals process or to let the matter drop.07:03
IdleOnemneptok: he will be appealing a ban that I have already lifted but whatever07:04
mneptokthe appeals process can also include behavior, AFAIK07:04
IdleOneahh I did not know that07:05
IdleOnewell then. gartral you have the link07:05
gartralI don't want to waist the time of more people, that's why I'm attempting to come to terms with IdleOne here and now. in as calm and collected manner as possible07:05
mneptokbut seeing that that would only exacerbate a situation whose underlying cause has been solved, it does seem silly.07:05
IdleOneWell as this discussion involves my perceived behavior. I am going to remove myself from it.07:06
mneptokgartral: BTW, welcome to GIMPnet07:06
funkyHatgartral: at the risk of being offtopic here, If you develop a program for Linux and decide to make it available for free, great. If people want to use it on Windows but you don't really want to put in the effort, or you have to pay for a licence for Visual Studio so you can build it properly, what's the issue with charging for that? I know it seems a little off, but I don't think it is really. Besides, you can just use Silverex's build07:06
IdleOnemneptok: if you wouldn't mind taking it from here07:06
mneptokfunkyHat: such things are OT for -ops07:06
funkyHatSorry ⢁(07:07
mneptokgartral: it seems evident you will not get the apology you seek from IdleOne right here, right now. so, as i said before ...07:07
mneptokgartral: then your options are an appeals process or to let the matter drop.07:07
gartralas i said, several times, he did nt have to apologize.. but he should know that his sense of honor is now tarnished in my eyes, rather that affects his future desicions regarding my actions or not: that remains too be said. but i dont want to waist anyone elses time on the matter.07:11
mneptokthe we would ask that you respect this channel's no-idle policy that is stated in the /topic07:11
mneptoks/the/then/07:11
gartralok. that is fine. have a good day.07:12
IdleOneI should be worried about what you think about me and how honorable I am. When you flat out ignored the no swearing rule.07:12
IdleOnewhatever!07:13
mneptokIdleOne: *patpat* it's al over.07:13
mneptok*all07:13
IdleOneyup :)07:13
mneptokcare for some tea or a kick in the groin?07:13
IdleOnehe thinks I am upset at him and that now I will be holding a grudge07:13
IdleOnekick in the groin would be nice thank you. two lumps please07:13
mneptokOK, i'll do that after i take my eyes out with a grapefruit spoon.07:14
IdleOnehahah07:14
mneptokO:)07:14
IdleOnebtw xchat has the wrong servers setup for gimpnet07:18
IdleOnelater07:18
jussiIdleOne: if you get a chance, please file a bug07:27
dholbachgood morning07:51
Jordan_Upc07 in #ubuntu is spewing random insults (in german)08:01
jargon-.08:34
ikoniaapw: did you get tsimpson's message08:57
apwikonia, i got told to leave, which is in contratiction with my instructions to idle here as an op for #ubuntu-kernel08:58
ikoniaapw: yeah, tsimpson suggested that #ubuntu-irc is the correct place as #ubuntu-kernel is not classed as a core channel08:59
apwoh ok, he didn't me08:59
apwmention that bit08:59
ubottuonetinsoldier called the ops in #ubuntu ()09:32
elkyoh yay, GNAA09:33
Tm_Tnew home11:16
knomeo.O11:16
elkyOk, i think i just hallucinated. someone in the wikipedia channel finally actually removed bacta for trolling for once.11:24
elkyno, sorry, a quiet11:25
marienzhe's at it again?11:33
elkyyes11:33
Mamarokseems the only place where he behaves is in #u-w11:42
Tm_Tbehaves in sense of not clearly trolling11:43
elkyMamarok, yeah, his presence there is a troll in and of itself.11:43
Tm_Tbut isn't very ontopic either, IMO11:43
elkyI mean quite literally. he uses it as a point to harrass certain ops with.11:43
Tm_Tye11:44
elkyand he just declared in defocus that "the new ubuntu is gay"11:44
elky* Bacta is studying the Ubuntu IRC operator guidelines <-- roflcopter11:48
tsimpsonwell, if his misbehaves you need not warn as he clearly now knows the rules12:35
ikoniaha ha ha, no need to warn, out of his 101 bans, I think he knows the rules and has had a warning12:51
PiciIdleOne: pong?13:35
* jpds declares ryoohki in -server to be random.13:48
PiciI just happened to be reading his scrollback there.13:49
jpdsPici: 13:37:39 < jpds> ryoohki: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/436127/13:51
IdleOnemorning13:59
* Pici sighs at -motu14:02
PiciIdleOne: still need me?14:08
IdleOnePici: no I don't think so. think I was able to take care of it last night and mneptok gave me a little hand14:09
PiciIdleOne: good good.  Make sure you washed your hands though.14:09
IdleOneirc ops team may or may not be getting a complaint about my perceived behavior14:09
IdleOnePici: ewwww and lol14:09
elkyPici, idleone does have a fan club now though, so he now really is an op.14:24
IdleOneelky: I ended up talking in private with ubantu_dude and turns out he isn't such a bad guy14:25
IdleOneHe did act like a jerk and call me a cigarette14:25
jpds...14:25
IdleOnebut calmed himself down when I asked him to explain to me why he came into #u like a troll14:26
elkyIdleOne, yeah, they're usually fine out of context. He did chase you across channels though, and that's where the qualification comes in14:26
IdleOnewell then I have a fan club14:26
Piciyay.14:26
Pici...14:38
ubottuIn #ubuntu, htsd said: ubottu: it is installed14:39
jpds!it14:49
ubottuVai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi « /join #ubuntu-it » senza virgolette)14:49
Pici"I need to talk to the release manager"15:44
* Pici sighs15:45
jpdsPici: Oh, that's easy.15:47
IdleOnePici: :)15:50
IdleOneWhy do some people look at a problem and complain15:54
IdleOneothers look at a problem and ask for help15:54
IdleOnecomplaining is so...80's15:54
jpdsIdleOne: They're from the other side of the chasm.15:54
IdleOnejpds: aren't we building a bridge for them to come to the light side?15:54
jpdsIdleOne: Don't think so.15:55
IdleOneI say we get them all on the bridge and then blow it up15:55
IdleOneX)15:55
Piciaaahhh15:58
ubottuIn ubottu, IdleOne said: nlb is IF you want Nautilus to use the location bar as default hit alt-F2 keys, in the box type gconf-editor, navigate to apps > nautilus > preferences and check the always_use_location_entry box.16:03
IdleOnenot sure if that applies to KDE also16:10
IdleOnemaco: ?? ^^16:10
IdleOnewait no it doesn't16:10
macoits gconf silly :P16:10
IdleOnekde use some crazy Ksomething or other16:10
IdleOne:P16:11
macoit uses Dolphin16:11
macowhich doesnt have a K at all :P16:11
IdleOnesurprising16:11
macoand you can just double click on the breadcrumbs to get a location bar in dolphin16:11
macoCtrl+L works in both Nautilus and Dolphin to make the location bar visible (also in Firefox)16:12
IdleOneI feel bad for the people who haven't read hansel and gretel (sp?)16:12
IdleOnebut I guess breadcrumbs are better then nothing16:12
PiciI thought you could double click the breadcrumbs in nautilus too?16:12
IdleOnenautilus has breadcrumbs? huh what16:13
PiciWell, sort of.16:13
IdleOnespain please16:13
IdleOnesplain*16:13
macoIdleOne: theres a button for each dir level16:13
macoyou can click the / or the home or the idleone or the Documents ...16:14
IdleOneyeah but the buttons are ugly16:14
PiciWhat if you double click them?16:14
PiciI don't have anything with X here for me to test with.16:14
IdleOneclicking the buttons does nothing16:15
macoif you click the home button it should take you to /home ...16:21
macoim trying it in a VM right now...16:21
maco(though im using 9.04 in this vm)16:21
IdleOneyes clicking the button takes you to the location but the issue is a lot of user want to see the path and not buttons16:26
IdleOnethey can go to View and click on Location Bar16:26
IdleOnebut I prefer to just have it open with the Location Bar view as default16:27
PiciIdleOne: Please don't do that.17:03
funkyHatdmsuperman is quite um... awkward17:08
IdleOnePici: I am getting sick and tired of idiots telling me I am being a baby because I chose to follow the rules17:09
IdleOneI expect it in #ubuntu from trolls17:09
IdleOneI expect better behavior and understanding from the regulars in -ot17:09
IdleOneit's easy for me to to say hey fuck you, oh I'm sorry. but I control myself17:09
IdleOnenow I am going to get off here for a bit before I go ahead a make things worse for myself17:10
IdleOnetoo*17:10
PiciIdleOne: Good idea :)  Sometimes its best to just step away and take a break.  I have to do it too.17:11
IdleOnePici: the thing is that -ot has a large group of regs who know the rules well but they chose to ignore them when it suits them. There are plenty of times when I could ignore the rules to suit my needs.17:12
IdleOnewhy is it that I can control my swearing on irc, which btw I swear every second word in real life17:13
jribIdleOne: no negative consequences in real life?17:13
PiciIdleOne: I wish I could answer that.17:13
ikoniaIdleOne: if they break the rules, remove them17:13
IdleOnejrib: plenty of them and I pay the dues when I have to17:14
jribIdleOne: put a dollar in my paypal every time you swear in real life, that should work17:14
Piciikonia: he is not an op there.17:14
ikoniaahh17:14
IdleOneI know what the payment for not follwing the rules on irc are17:14
ikoniaa swear jar may be a helpful option17:14
IdleOneI follow the rules because I don't want to pay that price but it seems that in -ot the price is freedom to do whatever the hell they want17:15
IdleOneikonia: I said it yesterday, gimme the access and i'll start to remove.17:16
IdleOnebut anyway. I'm going off on a rant here and it isn't helpful :/17:16
ikoniaIdleOne: take a break don't sweat it17:16
ubottullutz called the ops in #ubuntu (Cinnamon bot)18:31
ubottuCinnamon called the ops in #ubuntu (Cinnamon bot)18:31
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jribheh18:33
Pici!test > pici18:37
ubottuPici, please see my private message18:37
Picitsimpson: when you get a moment, I thought that we had disabled the 'please see my private message' line when the user sends a factoid to themselves.18:38

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