[00:07] <niko> .33
[01:25] <Jordan_U> karan in #ubuntu
[03:29] <Ubantu_dude> So why are networking questions not allowed in #Ubuntu?
[03:30] <IdleOne> Ubantu_dude: your question was not related to ubuntu in any way. I asked you twice to remain on topic and you ignored me
[03:30] <Ubantu_dude> I am using Ubuntu and I had a question about network setup
[03:30] <Ubantu_dude> seems pretty on topic to me
[03:31] <IdleOne> no you are using ubuntu and asking about bringing T1 connections or whatever it was
[03:31] <IdleOne> bridging*
[03:31] <IdleOne> it has absolutely nothing to do with Ubuntu
[03:31] <IdleOne> now it's simple
[03:31] <Ubantu_dude> So are you saying Ubantu does not support T1 connections?
[03:32] <IdleOne> I am saying #ubuntu does not provide support for non ubuntu related questions
[03:32] <Ubantu_dude> because I believe the hdlc modules is included
[03:32] <IdleOne> are you online using ubuntu right now?
[03:32] <Ubantu_dude> I am trying to set this up under ubuntu
[03:32] <Ubantu_dude> No I am on my desktop, my server runs Ubuntu
[03:32] <Ubantu_dude> So I have to prove I use Ubuntu now before I can ask questions?
[03:32] <IdleOne> no you need to ask a Ubuntu related question
[03:33] <IdleOne> I am not going to argue the validity of your question. I am telling you it is offtopic!
[03:33] <Ubantu_dude> Well I am telling you you are an uppity faggot
[03:33] <IdleOne> !ops | can I get a hand here please
[03:33] <IdleOne> thank you tsimpson
[03:34] <tritium> IdleOne: what's up?
[03:34] <IdleOne> tsimpson: took care of it
[03:34] <IdleOne> thanks tritium :)
[03:34] <tritium> :)
[03:34] <elky> tritium, oh he was just being an uppity *cough*
[03:35] <tritium> elky: hehe
[03:36] <IdleOne> elky: was I? :/
[03:36] <IdleOne> I mean for real.
[03:36] <elky> IdleOne, no
[03:36] <IdleOne> oh ok
[03:36] <IdleOne> I didn't think I was being uppity
[03:36] <IdleOne> but good to have confirmation
[03:39] <IdleOne> I think I got my first stalker
[03:39] <elky> IdleOne, congratulations, you officially have a fan club.
[03:39] <IdleOne> yup
[03:41] <IdleOne> may want to keep an eye on #ubuntu. he is back
[03:59] <IdleOne> turns out he isn't a half bad guy
[03:59] <IdleOne> heh
[04:40] <IdleOne> ubottu: register is Information about registering your nickname: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select your nickname. Registration help available by typing /join #freenode
[04:46] <Flannel> !register
[04:46] <Flannel> What changed?
[04:48] <IdleOne> Flannel: the type /join
[04:48] <IdleOne> just easier for new users
[04:48] <Flannel> Oh
[04:49] <IdleOne> we give them the info they need where to get it and how to get there
[04:49] <IdleOne> :)
[04:49] <Flannel> !register =~ s$in #freenode$by typing /join #freenode$
[04:49] <Flannel> !register
[04:49] <IdleOne> thank you
[06:29] <gartral> i seem to have been banned from #ubuntu.. after a very annoying conversation.
[06:29] <IdleOne> no you got banned after arguing that you breaking the rule about not swearing was justified
[06:30] <gartral> also without the chance to collect the only posative answer i recived
[06:30] <IdleOne> I gave you the answer 3 times
[06:30] <IdleOne> and I will give it to you once more
[06:30] <IdleOne> /connect irc.gimp.org
[06:30] <gartral> IdleOne: you kicked me for sending my last reply at the SAME second you asked me too drop the subject. we hit near simultaniously. I can't read your mind
[06:31] <IdleOne> read the guidelines again and the CoC please. let me know when you are done and we can then discuss the removal of the ban
[06:31] <IdleOne> Please read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines and channel topics Please read http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[06:32] <IdleOne> just in case your client didn't catch the kick message
[06:32] <gartral> i understand my swearing was wrong. and i never directly said i was justified, i simply implied that there are exceptions, not that i was one of them
[06:32] <IdleOne> and I am telling you that there are no exceptions to that rule in #ubuntu
[06:32] <IdleOne> especially if I am around
[06:33] <IdleOne> and you didn't imply anything you were very clear about it
[06:33] <gartral> my point was made in #ubuntu. I won't repeat it. same as you proved your point
[06:33] <IdleOne> [01:27:57] <gartral> IdleOne: there are exceptions to every rule, everywhere. Period.
[06:34] <IdleOne> that does not look like you were implying
[06:34] <gartral> i said "there are exceptions to every rule, last time there wasnt, we had the USSR" i NEVER said "My case IS an exception"
[06:34] <IdleOne> yes and then I told you that there arent
[06:34] <gartral> ok i said that too. but i never said "my case is an exception"
[06:34] <IdleOne> not for this rule
[06:34] <IdleOne> simple as that.
[06:35] <IdleOne> did that server connect you to gimp?
[06:35] <IdleOne> I am curious to know if it works
[06:35] <gartral> it's farther back than i can scroll already..
[06:35] <IdleOne> /connect irc.gimp.org
[06:36] <gartral> no
[06:36] <gartral> still no dice
[06:36] <IdleOne> so can I safely unban you without any scene being caused in #ubuntu
[06:37] <IdleOne> try irc.us.gimp.org
[06:37] <gartral> may i please go back into #ubuntu.. since were BOTH breaking CoC by continuing here?
[06:37] <IdleOne> we aren't breaking Please read http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ by discussing this here
[06:37] <IdleOne> err
[06:37] <IdleOne> auto complete fail
[06:37] <gartral> this is not a support channel, and i have been kicked here for exactly what were doing now
[06:38] <IdleOne> I am an op. discussing with you about your ban and I am also trying to help you with your issue.
[06:39] <IdleOne> I am going to remove the ban and ask you to take a look at the guidelines and the coc when you got a minute. Please don't make me have to ban you again.
[06:40] <IdleOne> done you can rejoin #ubuntu
[06:40] <gartral> i understand why you banned me, but please see my point, what the xchat group is calling "crossplatform supprot" is literally robbery.. wouldnt you swear if you knew there were people out to steal from you?
[06:41] <IdleOne> gartral: I don't know what xchat is doing or what. all I know is that I have rules to follow and enforce. This is actually the first time I have seen anything "wrong" from you
[06:42] <IdleOne> I am guessing this has got you pretty upset but if I was you I would talk about it with the Xchat devs.
[06:42] <IdleOne> be polite :)
[06:43] <gartral> IdleOne: i swear in public as a kneejerk reaction when faced with two scenarios: 1) im being attacked, either physically or emotionally, and 2, as a direct response to something i veiw as dead wrong. the Xchat people literally CHARGING you to use their software in mac or windows, and not linux, is something that makes me very upset.
[06:44] <IdleOne> gartral: I hear you, #ubuntu is not the place to scream about it
[06:45] <IdleOne> they also offer a few extra features that linux version does not have iirc
[06:45] <IdleOne> but that is besides the point
[06:45] <gartral> IdleOne: again, it's a kneejerk reaction.. and also, for me being what they call "autistic" i think im very on top of my own emotions
[06:46] <IdleOne> in any case. you can rejoin #ubuntu if you haven't already
[06:47] <gartral> also.. i understand you thought my last post in #ubuntu was deliberatly against what you said, but we literally hit our return keys in the same second. I'm humbly asking for an apology for the ban.
[06:48] <IdleOne> you want me to apologize for banning you?
[06:49] <IdleOne> I am not going to. I banned you because I needed to get a semi out of control user out of #ubuntu to minimize the disruption to the channel. and you joined here before I was able to send you a msg asking you to join.
[06:50] <gartral> it's a mere, humble request, purly based on circumstance. My last post was going to be my last on the subject, intervention or not.
[06:51] <gartral> i wouldnt ask if we had not hit enter in the same second, you LITERALLY banned me before i had the chance to look up from my keyboard.
[06:51] <IdleOne> there was a 14 seconds between your last post and my banning you.
[06:52] <IdleOne> gartral: listen dude. I was not wrong. I wont apologize. I will however ask another op to look at the back log and see what they think about it.
[06:53] <IdleOne> Pici: ping
[06:54] <IdleOne> any other op around?
[06:54] <gartral> i dont have a lastlog since you banned me, but i destinctly remember my post going out at 1:27:36, yours, asking me to stop, couldnt have came after, cause you decided that post was ban worthy, therefore, we must have been a second within each-others message hitting the server.
[06:56] <IdleOne> !logs
[06:56] <IdleOne> there you go
[06:57] <gartral> there are no second timestamps..
[06:58] <gartral> also, they appear to be an hour out of sync
[06:58] <IdleOne> !appeals
[06:59] <IdleOne> now mind you, appealing a ban that I have already removed would be a little silly
[06:59] <funkyHat> I was just thinking that
[06:59] <IdleOne> I explained my position on the apology you asked for.
[07:00] <gartral> i was about to say, havent we done this, in complete circle, with a positive outcome?
[07:00] <IdleOne> so I don't know what else there is to discuss
[07:00] <gartral> all i asked for, humbly, was an apology for your jumping the banhammer..
[07:01] <IdleOne> I explained why I banned.
[07:01] <IdleOne> my explanation is clear and I think explains why I don't owe you an apology
[07:01] <gartral> and i explained, calmly and collected, why i wanted an apology, our messages literally hit server at same second.
[07:01] <IdleOne> ok.
[07:02] <mneptok>  /connect irc.gnome.org
[07:02] <IdleOne> let me say it one last time
[07:02] <gartral> mneptok: tryed that. nogo
[07:02] <mneptok> i know that works, as i'm connected to that network 24/7
[07:02] <IdleOne> I will not apologize for being correct
[07:02] <gartral> IdleOne: and theres our disagreement, i fel you were incorrect
[07:03] <IdleOne> you can email the irc ops team from that link I gave you up there
[07:03] <gartral> feel*
[07:03] <mneptok> gartral: then your options are an appeals process or to let the matter drop.
[07:04] <IdleOne> mneptok: he will be appealing a ban that I have already lifted but whatever
[07:04] <mneptok> the appeals process can also include behavior, AFAIK
[07:05] <IdleOne> ahh I did not know that
[07:05] <IdleOne> well then. gartral you have the link
[07:05] <gartral> I don't want to waist the time of more people, that's why I'm attempting to come to terms with IdleOne here and now. in as calm and collected manner as possible
[07:05] <mneptok> but seeing that that would only exacerbate a situation whose underlying cause has been solved, it does seem silly.
[07:06] <IdleOne> Well as this discussion involves my perceived behavior. I am going to remove myself from it.
[07:06] <mneptok> gartral: BTW, welcome to GIMPnet
[07:06] <funkyHat> gartral: at the risk of being offtopic here, If you develop a program for Linux and decide to make it available for free, great. If people want to use it on Windows but you don't really want to put in the effort, or you have to pay for a licence for Visual Studio so you can build it properly, what's the issue with charging for that? I know it seems a little off, but I don't think it is really. Besides, you can just use Silverex's build
[07:06] <IdleOne> mneptok: if you wouldn't mind taking it from here
[07:06] <mneptok> funkyHat: such things are OT for -ops
[07:07] <funkyHat> Sorry ⢁(
[07:07] <mneptok> gartral: it seems evident you will not get the apology you seek from IdleOne right here, right now. so, as i said before ...
[07:07] <mneptok> gartral: then your options are an appeals process or to let the matter drop.
[07:11] <gartral> as i said, several times, he did nt have to apologize.. but he should know that his sense of honor is now tarnished in my eyes, rather that affects his future desicions regarding my actions or not: that remains too be said. but i dont want to waist anyone elses time on the matter.
[07:11] <mneptok> the we would ask that you respect this channel's no-idle policy that is stated in the /topic
[07:11] <mneptok> s/the/then/
[07:12] <gartral> ok. that is fine. have a good day.
[07:12] <IdleOne> I should be worried about what you think about me and how honorable I am. When you flat out ignored the no swearing rule.
[07:13] <IdleOne> whatever!
[07:13] <mneptok> IdleOne: *patpat* it's al over.
[07:13] <mneptok> *all
[07:13] <IdleOne> yup :)
[07:13] <mneptok> care for some tea or a kick in the groin?
[07:13] <IdleOne> he thinks I am upset at him and that now I will be holding a grudge
[07:13] <IdleOne> kick in the groin would be nice thank you. two lumps please
[07:14] <mneptok> OK, i'll do that after i take my eyes out with a grapefruit spoon.
[07:14] <IdleOne> hahah
[07:14] <mneptok> O:)
[07:18] <IdleOne> btw xchat has the wrong servers setup for gimpnet
[07:18] <IdleOne> later
[07:27] <jussi> IdleOne: if you get a chance, please file a bug
[07:51] <dholbach> good morning
[08:01] <Jordan_U> pc07 in #ubuntu is spewing random insults (in german)
[08:34] <jargon-> .
[08:57] <ikonia> apw: did you get tsimpson's message
[08:58] <apw> ikonia, i got told to leave, which is in contratiction with my instructions to idle here as an op for #ubuntu-kernel
[08:59] <ikonia> apw: yeah, tsimpson suggested that #ubuntu-irc is the correct place as #ubuntu-kernel is not classed as a core channel
[08:59] <apw> oh ok, he didn't me
[08:59] <apw> mention that bit
[09:33] <elky> oh yay, GNAA
[11:16] <Tm_T> new home
[11:16] <knome> o.O
[11:24] <elky> Ok, i think i just hallucinated. someone in the wikipedia channel finally actually removed bacta for trolling for once.
[11:25] <elky> no, sorry, a quiet
[11:33] <marienz> he's at it again?
[11:33] <elky> yes
[11:42] <Mamarok> seems the only place where he behaves is in #u-w
[11:43] <Tm_T> behaves in sense of not clearly trolling
[11:43] <elky> Mamarok, yeah, his presence there is a troll in and of itself.
[11:43] <Tm_T> but isn't very ontopic either, IMO
[11:43] <elky> I mean quite literally. he uses it as a point to harrass certain ops with.
[11:44] <Tm_T> ye
[11:44] <elky> and he just declared in defocus that "the new ubuntu is gay"
[11:48] <elky> * Bacta is studying the Ubuntu IRC operator guidelines <-- roflcopter
[12:35] <tsimpson> well, if his misbehaves you need not warn as he clearly now knows the rules
[12:51] <ikonia> ha ha ha, no need to warn, out of his 101 bans, I think he knows the rules and has had a warning
[13:35] <Pici> IdleOne: pong?
[13:48]  * jpds declares ryoohki in -server to be random.
[13:49] <Pici> I just happened to be reading his scrollback there.
[13:51] <jpds> Pici: 13:37:39 < jpds> ryoohki: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/436127/
[13:59] <IdleOne> morning
[14:02]  * Pici sighs at -motu
[14:08] <Pici> IdleOne: still need me?
[14:09] <IdleOne> Pici: no I don't think so. think I was able to take care of it last night and mneptok gave me a little hand
[14:09] <Pici> IdleOne: good good.  Make sure you washed your hands though.
[14:09] <IdleOne> irc ops team may or may not be getting a complaint about my perceived behavior
[14:09] <IdleOne> Pici: ewwww and lol
[14:24] <elky> Pici, idleone does have a fan club now though, so he now really is an op.
[14:25] <IdleOne> elky: I ended up talking in private with ubantu_dude and turns out he isn't such a bad guy
[14:25] <IdleOne> He did act like a jerk and call me a cigarette
[14:25] <jpds> ...
[14:26] <IdleOne> but calmed himself down when I asked him to explain to me why he came into #u like a troll
[14:26] <elky> IdleOne, yeah, they're usually fine out of context. He did chase you across channels though, and that's where the qualification comes in
[14:26] <IdleOne> well then I have a fan club
[14:26] <Pici> yay.
[14:38] <Pici> ...
[14:49] <jpds> !it
[15:44] <Pici> "I need to talk to the release manager"
[15:45]  * Pici sighs
[15:47] <jpds> Pici: Oh, that's easy.
[15:50] <IdleOne> Pici: :)
[15:54] <IdleOne> Why do some people look at a problem and complain
[15:54] <IdleOne> others look at a problem and ask for help
[15:54] <IdleOne> complaining is so...80's
[15:54] <jpds> IdleOne: They're from the other side of the chasm.
[15:54] <IdleOne> jpds: aren't we building a bridge for them to come to the light side?
[15:55] <jpds> IdleOne: Don't think so.
[15:55] <IdleOne> I say we get them all on the bridge and then blow it up
[15:55] <IdleOne> X)
[15:58] <Pici> aaahhh
[16:10] <IdleOne> not sure if that applies to KDE also
[16:10] <IdleOne> maco: ?? ^^
[16:10] <IdleOne> wait no it doesn't
[16:10] <maco> its gconf silly :P
[16:10] <IdleOne> kde use some crazy Ksomething or other
[16:11] <IdleOne> :P
[16:11] <maco> it uses Dolphin
[16:11] <maco> which doesnt have a K at all :P
[16:11] <IdleOne> surprising
[16:11] <maco> and you can just double click on the breadcrumbs to get a location bar in dolphin
[16:12] <maco> Ctrl+L works in both Nautilus and Dolphin to make the location bar visible (also in Firefox)
[16:12] <IdleOne> I feel bad for the people who haven't read hansel and gretel (sp?)
[16:12] <IdleOne> but I guess breadcrumbs are better then nothing
[16:12] <Pici> I thought you could double click the breadcrumbs in nautilus too?
[16:13] <IdleOne> nautilus has breadcrumbs? huh what
[16:13] <Pici> Well, sort of.
[16:13] <IdleOne> spain please
[16:13] <IdleOne> splain*
[16:13] <maco> IdleOne: theres a button for each dir level
[16:14] <maco> you can click the / or the home or the idleone or the Documents ...
[16:14] <IdleOne> yeah but the buttons are ugly
[16:14] <Pici> What if you double click them?
[16:14] <Pici> I don't have anything with X here for me to test with.
[16:15] <IdleOne> clicking the buttons does nothing
[16:21] <maco> if you click the home button it should take you to /home ...
[16:21] <maco> im trying it in a VM right now...
[16:21] <maco> (though im using 9.04 in this vm)
[16:26] <IdleOne> yes clicking the button takes you to the location but the issue is a lot of user want to see the path and not buttons
[16:26] <IdleOne> they can go to View and click on Location Bar
[16:27] <IdleOne> but I prefer to just have it open with the Location Bar view as default
[17:03] <Pici> IdleOne: Please don't do that.
[17:08] <funkyHat> dmsuperman is quite um... awkward
[17:09] <IdleOne> Pici: I am getting sick and tired of idiots telling me I am being a baby because I chose to follow the rules
[17:09] <IdleOne> I expect it in #ubuntu from trolls
[17:09] <IdleOne> I expect better behavior and understanding from the regulars in -ot
[17:09] <IdleOne> it's easy for me to to say hey fuck you, oh I'm sorry. but I control myself
[17:10] <IdleOne> now I am going to get off here for a bit before I go ahead a make things worse for myself
[17:10] <IdleOne> too*
[17:11] <Pici> IdleOne: Good idea :)  Sometimes its best to just step away and take a break.  I have to do it too.
[17:12] <IdleOne> Pici: the thing is that -ot has a large group of regs who know the rules well but they chose to ignore them when it suits them. There are plenty of times when I could ignore the rules to suit my needs.
[17:13] <IdleOne> why is it that I can control my swearing on irc, which btw I swear every second word in real life
[17:13] <jrib> IdleOne: no negative consequences in real life?
[17:13] <Pici> IdleOne: I wish I could answer that.
[17:13] <ikonia> IdleOne: if they break the rules, remove them
[17:14] <IdleOne> jrib: plenty of them and I pay the dues when I have to
[17:14] <jrib> IdleOne: put a dollar in my paypal every time you swear in real life, that should work
[17:14] <Pici> ikonia: he is not an op there.
[17:14] <ikonia> ahh
[17:14] <IdleOne> I know what the payment for not follwing the rules on irc are
[17:14] <ikonia> a swear jar may be a helpful option
[17:15] <IdleOne> I follow the rules because I don't want to pay that price but it seems that in -ot the price is freedom to do whatever the hell they want
[17:16] <IdleOne> ikonia: I said it yesterday, gimme the access and i'll start to remove.
[17:16] <IdleOne> but anyway. I'm going off on a rant here and it isn't helpful :/
[17:16] <ikonia> IdleOne: take a break don't sweat it
[18:32] <persia> First rule of annoying-repeat-bot construction: don't repeat escalations to the ops.
[18:33] <jrib> heh
[18:37] <Pici> !test > pici
[18:38] <Pici> tsimpson: when you get a moment, I thought that we had disabled the 'please see my private message' line when the user sends a factoid to themselves.