| desrt | robert_ancell: hey | 00:20 |
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| robert_ancell | desrt, hey | 00:25 |
| desrt | robert_ancell: still interested in dconf-editor? :) | 00:25 |
| robert_ancell | desrt, sure | 00:26 |
| * RAOF returns a non-wardrobe to Freedom while mesa builds | 00:26 | |
| desrt | nice | 00:27 |
| desrt | going to start making a dconf API for it, then | 00:27 |
| desrt | UI question for you: | 00:27 |
| robert_ancell | desrt, got step-by-step instructions to getting d-conf to work on Maverick? | 00:27 |
| robert_ancell | :) | 00:27 |
| desrt | robert_ancell: step 1: wait until seb wakes up | 00:27 |
| desrt | robert_ancell: step 2: install some .debs :) | 00:27 |
| robert_ancell | nice | 00:27 |
| desrt | in seriousness, though... you could download the glib and dconf releases that i made today | 00:28 |
| desrt | that's all you need to do | 00:28 |
| robert_ancell | how is dconf started? on demand? | 00:28 |
| desrt | on first write | 00:28 |
| desrt | but unless you have some really fancy setup going on, that's not going to work out at all | 00:28 |
| robert_ancell | desrt, you want dconf-editor in the dconf git? | 00:30 |
| desrt | it makes sense i guess | 00:31 |
| desrt | hmm. | 00:31 |
| desrt | ya. let's do that. | 00:31 |
| desrt | so my UI question is this: | 00:32 |
| desrt | when you go to edit your user settings | 00:32 |
| desrt | should you also see the defaults? | 00:32 |
| desrt | or -just- the ones that you explicitly setup for yourself | 00:32 |
| desrt | also: how well-integrated should our GSettings support be? | 00:32 |
| desrt | i can imagine two different views: one you navigate by tree and the other that you navigate by schema | 00:32 |
| robert_ancell | I think you should see the value you would get if you did a read, but it should indicate if that value is the default (and show the default if it is not). gconf-editor didn't do this well and it was annoying | 00:33 |
| robert_ancell | show the default *as well* | 00:33 |
| desrt | ya. i specifically ask because of how bad gconf-editor is here | 00:33 |
| desrt | ok. that means that we will need an API to determine this | 00:33 |
| robert_ancell | are the schemas in the same namespace as they were in gconf? | 00:33 |
| desrt | no | 00:33 |
| desrt | schemas are very much out of band | 00:33 |
| desrt | and organised quite differently | 00:34 |
| robert_ancell | well, then I would consider a "schema view" but I don't think it's a high priority | 00:34 |
| desrt | you will have to open /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/ and parse a bunch of xml | 00:34 |
| robert_ancell | np | 00:34 |
| desrt | i guess another interesting question is if we should show schema values | 00:35 |
| robert_ancell | schema values = default value, limits? | 00:35 |
| robert_ancell | name, description | 00:35 |
| desrt | so there are several layers | 00:35 |
| desrt | as it is, it will be extremely rare for default values to be in dconf | 00:36 |
| desrt | unless you have a sysadmin, essentially | 00:36 |
| desrt | vendor defaults are handled via the schemas | 00:36 |
| TheMuso | 8/c | 00:37 |
| mclasen | desrt: you have to parse the schemas anyway, to get at the key docs | 00:42 |
| Amaranth | man, compiz is really hating me | 00:43 |
| Amaranth | when I build in pbuilder all the schemas are completely empty files | 00:43 |
| desrt | mclasen: right... not sure if that information ought to be visibile in the tree view or not... | 00:55 |
| desrt | mclasen: since you could go the GSettings view route to get it... | 00:56 |
| mclasen | desrt: in my view, a tree of keys without any documentation is pretty useless | 00:56 |
| desrt | i agree | 00:56 |
| desrt | which is why i think people should use the schema-based view | 00:57 |
| desrt | ie: pick your schema, do your changes | 00:57 |
| desrt | could almost build it directly on GSettings itself if we add the introspection support you've been asking about :) | 00:57 |
| robert_ancell | desrt, any idea what package name seb128 was going to use for dconf? dconf is already used by another package | 01:10 |
| * TheMuso guesses that gnome-dconf would be used. :p | 01:14 | |
| TheMuso | Orca was in a similar position a few years back. At the time, there was already an package called orca in Debian, so gnome-orca was used. | 01:15 |
| RAOF | Who wants to sponsor a mesa upload? | 02:04 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: how big an upload is it? | 02:06 |
| RAOF | ~30MB | 02:06 |
| RAOF | Or big as in changes? | 02:06 |
| TheMuso | changes wise | 02:06 |
| RAOF | It's a merge from debian, going from 7.7.1 → 7.8.1. It's pretty big, changes wise. | 02:07 |
| TheMuso | ah ok. If you have everything committed to the various branches, just let me know where I need to pull from and I'll have a look. | 02:08 |
| RAOF | git.debian.org/git/pkg-xorg/lib/mesa - branch ubuntu. You'll need to grab Debian's .orig.tar.gz, because it's created from multiple upstream tarballs. | 02:08 |
| TheMuso | ok sounds fun. | 02:11 |
| TheMuso | Does the MoM archive have that tarball? | 02:11 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: and since you are building from git, what command do you use to build the package? | 02:12 |
| RAOF | git-buildpackage | 02:13 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: any particular arguments I need to use? | 02:13 |
| RAOF | Or, rather, git-buildpackage -S | 02:13 |
| TheMuso | ok thanks | 02:13 |
| RAOF | TheMuso: Hey, have you uploaded mesa yet? If not, we can drop a couple of packages from it; there's no longer any point in building -i686 versions :) | 02:54 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: not uploaded yet, just had to build a fresh maverick chroot, so go ahead and mke more changes, let me know, and I'll pull. | 03:00 |
| desrt | robert_ancell: i guess libdconf | 03:21 |
| TheMuso | desrt: ah if its a library only, then that makes sense. | 03:23 |
| desrt | well | 03:23 |
| desrt | it's not just a library | 03:23 |
| desrt | *shrug* | 03:23 |
| desrt | maybe i should just rename dconf | 03:24 |
| TheMuso | heh | 03:24 |
| desrt | what's in a name? | 03:24 |
| desrt | econf! | 03:25 |
| desrt | cconf! | 03:25 |
| TheMuso | yeah I know. | 03:26 |
| TheMuso | c | 03:26 |
| RAOF | aoeuconf. I guarantee no one else will have that name! | 03:27 |
| chrisccoulson | uconf! | 03:27 |
| RAOF | I-conf u-conf we all… conf for i-conf? | 03:28 |
| chrisccoulson | lol | 03:28 |
| chrisccoulson | right, bed time for me. i'm meant to be waking up again in 3 hours | 03:29 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: I am building amd64 of mesa, and wow it takes a while, and this is on a quad core 3GHz penryn CPU. | 03:31 |
| Amaranth | gah it takes so long for a pbuilder run | 03:33 |
| chrisccoulson | Amaranth - dpkg ;) | 03:34 |
| Amaranth | eh? | 03:34 |
| chrisccoulson | it's probably dpkg taking ages to unpack things isn't it? | 03:34 |
| chrisccoulson | that's a known issue | 03:34 |
| Amaranth | oh, I suppose so | 03:34 |
| Amaranth | It takes like 15 minutes to install all the packages before it can start building | 03:35 |
| Amaranth | Then again it is installing 700MB worth of stuff | 03:35 |
| RAOF | TheMuso: May I steal your computer? :) | 03:35 |
| RAOF | Yeah, it takes ages, at least in part because it builds everything five different ways. | 03:36 |
| TheMuso | heh lovely | 03:36 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: heh | 03:36 |
| chrisccoulson | Amaranth, see bug 570805 | 03:36 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 570805 in dpkg (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 3 other projects) "[regression] dpkg fsync cause massive regression in Ubuntu Server and Alternate installation times (affects: 10) (dups: 1) (heat: 80)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/570805 | 03:36 |
| Amaranth | my penryn is a lousy 2Ghz dual core | 03:36 |
| RAOF | i386 will now be *slightly* faster, because it won't build swrast twice with identical options. | 03:37 |
| TheMuso | There is a plan to cretae a command-line flag for dpkg to turn that off, so we could set things up such that its turned off for sbuild/pbuilder. | 03:37 |
| Amaranth | wow ubot2 got rather verbose | 03:37 |
| chrisccoulson | i need a machine like the one TheMuso has | 03:37 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: right | 03:37 |
| * TheMuso got this box as an all-rounder back in 2008. Good for audio, video, VMs, compiling, etc. | 03:38 | |
| TheMuso | When I updated my desktop and notebook, I wanted penryn so I had the SSE4 instructino set available to apps I wanted to use. | 03:38 |
| TheMuso | instruction | 03:38 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: so just let me know when you have updated git with your changes that you want included. | 03:41 |
| * RAOF needs to find his LCD so that his (c2006 - athlon64, baby!) desktop box can be used again. | 03:41 | |
| RAOF | TheMuso: Once mesa has test-built on i386… :) | 03:41 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: heh ok. | 03:41 |
| Amaranth | I wonder if I could convince pbuilder to use libeatmydata for dpkg | 03:42 |
| RAOF | TheMuso: Everything's pushed and ready, if you'd like to try and beat my core2 duo laptop in an i386 build-off :) | 03:43 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: heh ok | 03:44 |
| TheMuso | let me fetch | 03:44 |
| Amaranth | Need to get 0B/199MB of archives. After unpacking 805MB will be used. | 03:45 |
| Amaranth | I dunno if I've mentioned this before but Compiz depends on _everything_ | 03:45 |
| RAOF | That's a pretty impressive compression ratio | 03:45 |
| * TheMuso builds mesa for i386. | 03:45 | |
| RAOF | BAh. One final change - UNRELEASED → maverick in changelog. Won't affect the build, though. | 03:46 |
| TheMuso | right | 03:48 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: any reason why you are not merging with the unreleased changes in the debian-experimental branch, one of which looks useful with package stripping? | 03:55 |
| * TheMuso notes he regularly does this with alsa packages, due to the useful changes that exist, and the infrequency at times of updates in terms of package uploads in Debian. | 03:56 | |
| RAOF | TheMuso: Probably because those changes weren't there at the time. I'll incorporate them. | 04:01 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: ah ok | 04:03 |
| RAOF | Hm. How should that get changelogd? | 04:04 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: Good question. You could add them as extra changes for Ubuntu, stating that they are unreleased changes from the Debian git branch | 04:05 |
| RAOF | That's what I was going to do. Is that what you do for alsa? | 04:05 |
| TheMuso | No I don't, but its something I should do differently in the future, now that I've thought about it. | 04:05 |
| TheMuso | It hasn't bitten me in a bad way as yet, but is tidier. | 04:06 |
| TheMuso | sorry, is not as tidy | 04:06 |
| TheMuso | So for mesa on i386: | 04:11 |
| TheMuso | Finished at 20100520-1309 | 04:11 |
| TheMuso | Build needed 00:23:42, 1758288k disc space | 04:11 |
| Amaranth | How do you get those stats? | 04:12 |
| RAOF | sbuild | 04:13 |
| RAOF | Build needed 00:45:48, 1950392k disc space | 04:13 |
| RAOF | Your machine appears to be roughly twice as fast as mine for building mesa. Damn. | 04:13 |
| Amaranth | sbuild apparently lets you make -j5 | 04:13 |
| RAOF | TheMuso: Changes merged & pushed. Feel free to use your awesome powers of CPU to test build again, but it *should* be trivially safe. | 04:15 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: ok thanks | 04:15 |
| RAOF | I'm test-building i386 because I'm paranoid; if you want to test-build, amd64 will be useful. | 04:16 |
| TheMuso | ok great | 04:17 |
| TheMuso | Give the flexibility of sbuild, if the slightly higher learning curve, I've never looked back. | 04:21 |
| TheMuso | given | 04:21 |
| Amaranth | RAOF: Is there a setup guide for using sbuild this way? The one on the wiki seems to be from hardy | 04:22 |
| RAOF | mk-sbuild, basically. | 04:22 |
| RAOF | From ubuntu-dev-tools | 04:23 |
| RAOF | It does all you want and you don't even need lvm. | 04:23 |
| Amaranth | sbuild maverick chroot building | 04:33 |
| Amaranth | I've _got_ to figure out how to get libeatmydata into these chroots | 04:40 |
| RAOF | Mount them on a tmpfs | 04:40 |
| Amaranth | *facepalm* | 04:40 |
| RAOF | Quick, easy fsync :) | 04:40 |
| Amaranth | Although I don't think I have enough memory | 04:40 |
| RAOF | It's a bit easier with sbuild, since you won't need the memory for the base chroot. | 04:41 |
| Amaranth | still, 800MB of data before I even start building :/ | 04:41 |
| RAOF | Well, 1000MB - you also need the .debs :) | 04:41 |
| Amaranth | d'oh | 04:41 |
| Amaranth | right | 04:42 |
| Amaranth | Also, I don't see a way to tell sbuild to do that | 04:42 |
| RAOF | mount a tmpfs on /var/lib/sbuild/overlay | 04:42 |
| Amaranth | ah, nice | 04:42 |
| TheMuso | Ok, I'll just have a quick squiz at the diff for this mesa upload, and if all looks good, then I'll upload. | 04:43 |
| TheMuso | amd64 built fine BTW. | 04:43 |
| RAOF | Sweet. Once that's available xserver + a hojillion drivers is open for business :). | 04:44 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: hrm could you please confirm something for me? You said using git buildpackage -S to build the package, however the debdiff is creating a .gitignore, when I compare 7.8.1-1 to 7.8.1-2 | 04:45 |
| TheMuso | s/-2/-1ubuntu1/ | 04:45 |
| TheMuso | So I wonder whether I am building it incorrectly... | 04:46 |
| Amaranth | ooh, cjwatson already fixed the dpkg suckage | 04:49 |
| * TheMuso tries with a more refined buildpackage command. | 04:51 | |
| RAOF | TheMuso: Hm. I don't see any .gitignore changes in the git diff. I'll check against my locally built packages. | 04:51 |
| TheMuso | ok | 04:51 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: do you have perhaps have another git buildpackage config file other than whats in debian/ | 04:52 |
| Amaranth | hmm, sbuild doesn't seem to be using /var/lib/sbuild/overlay | 04:53 |
| Amaranth | sbuild -Asd maverick foo.dsc certainly seems to be installing stuff somewhere though | 04:54 |
| TheMuso | schroot puts chroots in /var/lib/schroot/mount | 04:55 |
| Amaranth | yep, that's the spot | 04:55 |
| RAOF | TheMuso: No, you're right. My build also seems to remove all the .gitignore, but the debian package doesn't. | 04:55 |
| Amaranth | So I guess I need to make /var/lib/schroot/mount a tmpfs? | 04:56 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: ah right that confirms what I am seeing now, the diff.gz for the Ubuntu version doesn't have .gitattributes or .gitignore | 04:56 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: but thats not all bad. | 04:56 |
| TheMuso | The package is more lintian clean in that way | 04:57 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: I'm willing to disregard that then | 04:57 |
| TheMuso | unless you would rather not... | 04:57 |
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| RAOF | I'm not sure why they're not being stripped in Debian, but they should be (by dpkg-source -i -I, I believe). I'm happy to disregard that. | 04:58 |
| TheMuso | ok fine by me | 04:59 |
| Amaranth | Weird split | 05:00 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: I see that Ubuntu is using debhelper 7 for packaging. Is that going to be pushed to the Debian branches at all by yourself or the Debian X guys? | 05:01 |
| Amaranth | Actually whatever sbuild is doing seems unaffected by the fsync stuff | 05:01 |
| Amaranth | It's chewing CPU processing the unpacking so quickly | 05:01 |
| TheMuso | Amaranth: Interesting. Did you use the script from ubuntu-dev-tools to set it up? | 05:02 |
| Amaranth | yeah | 05:02 |
| TheMuso | hrm. I still do mine by hand. I'll have to see what that script does these days. | 05:02 |
| Amaranth | oh, it's aufs+unionfs | 05:02 |
| Amaranth | or wait, just aufs? | 05:03 |
| RAOF | TheMuso: Where - in mesa? No, the bump for debhelper 7.2.something is for dh_strip --remaining-packages, and that came from Debian. | 05:03 |
| RAOF | Just aufs, unless you switch it to unionfs | 05:03 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: oh right, of course, thanks. | 05:03 |
| Amaranth | I dunno, I don't keep up with filesystem stuff | 05:03 |
| Amaranth | Anyway, it's much faster than pbuilder | 05:03 |
| TheMuso | That seems icky IMO. | 05:03 |
| * TheMuso would prefer LVM snapshots. | 05:04 | |
| TheMuso | s/would prefer/preferrs/ | 05:04 |
| RAOF | That makes it harder to build in a tmpfs, though :) | 05:04 |
| TheMuso | True, but easier to manage chroots etc. | 05:05 |
| * RAOF should really publish his building-on-tmpfs pbuilder benchmarks. | 05:05 | |
| Amaranth | oh you're kidding | 05:05 |
| Amaranth | It doesn't cache build deps? | 05:05 |
| * TheMuso pats his local mirror. | 05:08 | |
| Amaranth | I'm half tempted to just upload this to my PPA to see if it works | 05:09 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: One last question. Is the fix that was uploaded in lucid-proposed for mesa in maverick yet? | 05:20 |
| RAOF | TheMuso: Yes. That was a cherrypick from upstream, and the new version contains it. | 05:23 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: Ok then, thanks. | 05:27 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: just needed to know in relation to what changelog entries should be included in the changes file. | 05:27 |
| RAOF | Just the last two. | 05:29 |
| TheMuso | you mean prior to your changelog entry? Yeah thats what I've done. | 05:33 |
| TheMuso | Strike that, I know what you mean, the last two including yours. | 05:33 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: Are you aware that the .diff.gz files for both debian and this proposed Ubuntu package have files directly modified in the source tree, and the ubuntu package also has debian/patches files? | 05:35 |
| TheMuso | ah its not so bad, Debian has that too. Kind of a mess, but anyway. | 05:35 |
| * TheMuso uploads. | 05:35 | |
| RAOF | Yes. Thanks! | 05:37 |
| TheMuso | np | 05:37 |
| * TheMuso is glad he won't be the one cleaning that up. | 05:37 | |
| TheMuso | Ouch, the diff alone is ~2MB. | 05:40 |
| TheMuso | 2.5MB even | 05:40 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: uploaded. | 05:40 |
| RAOF | Sweet. Thanks again. | 05:44 |
| TheMuso | np | 05:45 |
| RAOF | A surprising amount of that diff is ChangeLog, at 7.8MB uncompressed :) | 05:46 |
| TheMuso | Yeah I can imagine. | 05:46 |
| ccheney | is there a list of tags posted somewhere, like all the apport-* related tags? | 06:10 |
| ccheney | i'm trying to write a bug automation script to ask for apport-collect info for bugs but it seems there are at least several apport related tags | 06:10 |
| ccheney | it looks like there are 4 of them | 06:11 |
| robert_ancell | TheMuso, can you sponsor GTK+ (in bzr) | 06:41 |
| TheMuso | robert_ancell: Sure. You got all the X bits you needed through the NEW queue yet? | 06:45 |
| robert_ancell | TheMuso, yup, they were there by this morning (don't know what the delay was in the end) | 06:45 |
| TheMuso | robert_ancell: ok then will take a look. | 06:46 |
| robert_ancell | hey does anyone know why the recent build of libffi puts its header files in a strange place? http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/i386/libffi-dev/filelist | 06:49 |
| robert_ancell | I'm guessing it's a bug in their build system? | 06:49 |
| * ccheney likes arsenal, much easier to triage with it :) | 07:22 | |
| TheMuso | robert_ancell: I am test building gtk now. | 07:26 |
| robert_ancell | TheMuso, thanks | 07:27 |
| TheMuso | robert_ancell: you have left out all the previous ubuntu changelog entries. | 07:42 |
| TheMuso | robert_ancell: i.e only your merge changelog is present. | 07:42 |
| robert_ancell | TheMuso, yes, that's the best way to do it - the previous entries aren't relevant anymore | 07:49 |
| robert_ancell | I'm trying to think who said it was ok to do it that way... | 07:51 |
| TheMuso | robert_ancell: hrm ok. Generally if its a merge, we keep all the other changelog entries in the merge so people can go back and see when perticular additions to the Ubuntu package were made. | 07:51 |
| robert_ancell | TheMuso, what use is that? The patch headers contain the metadata about the patches and link to the bug reports with this information | 07:52 |
| TheMuso | robert_ancell: Very well, I see thats how it was done previously. | 07:54 |
| mvo | its seems that its slightly different in different teams | 07:54 |
| TheMuso | mvo: More than that, its different between package groups, i.e X and GTK/GNOME is different. :) | 07:55 |
| mvo | yeah :) | 07:55 |
| mvo | I tend to preserve the changelogs, but I can see that having all the metadata in the patches is valid and the merge can be a bit painful with the changelog | 07:56 |
| robert_ancell | well, I like to remove them because it makes future merging harder and it's confusing to read the changelog | 07:56 |
| TheMuso | fair enough. | 07:57 |
| robert_ancell | especially when you do a few merges in a row and end up with very large "Ubuntu changes" changelog entries | 07:57 |
| * TheMuso is building i386 of gtk now. Amd64 was fine but wil wait till this is built and upload. | 07:57 | |
| mvo | yep, fair enough from me too | 07:57 |
| robert_ancell | mvo, hey btw :) | 07:58 |
| mvo | I guess its a good afternoon for you :) | 07:58 |
| mvo | funny, I'm still having my wake-up tea (and I'm not yet fully woken up) | 07:58 |
| TheMuso | The only thing I don't like about this time of year, is that it gets dark too early. :) | 07:58 |
| TheMuso | The weather on the other hand, is great! | 07:59 |
| robert_ancell | TheMuso, depends on your preferred weather! | 07:59 |
| robert_ancell | has anyone ever tried solang? | 07:59 |
| TheMuso | robert_ancell: Thats true. I refer to the mid to late autumn Sydney weather, pleasant days, cool nights. | 07:59 |
| mvo | TheMuso: oh, nice. we have really bad weather here, its supposed to be summer, but all we get currently is rain and grey skys | 08:02 |
| robert_ancell | TheMuso, GTK+ sure takes a long time to compile :) Took me at least 30 mins on my Maverick build box which is unfortunately a netbook | 08:05 |
| TheMuso | Does indeed. | 08:05 |
| TheMuso | robert_ancell: Yeah took me 29 mins for i386 and 27 mins for amd64. | 08:06 |
| didrocks | good morning | 08:06 |
| TheMuso | robert_ancell: uploading | 08:07 |
| TheMuso | Wow. Gtk is slightly bigger tarball wise than mesa was. | 08:08 |
| robert_ancell | didrocks, hey | 08:09 |
| robert_ancell | didrocks, do you know much about gobject introspection? I noticed you did the GTK+ work. I'm trying to get PyGI working... | 08:10 |
| didrocks | robert_ancell: hey o/ I don't know "much", but I've used a little bit the pygi for clutter and it didn't really work as well as expected | 08:12 |
| robert_ancell | didrocks, I've got a package for it but there's nothing in gi.repository. Was wondering if you had any debugging tips | 08:13 |
| didrocks | robert_ancell: hum, not really, sorry :/, but gi repository is deprecated, no? | 08:14 |
| robert_ancell | didrocks, i'm not sure, but I haven't got my head fully around gi yet. Still seems quite fluid | 08:14 |
| asac | o/ | 08:15 |
| robert_ancell | o/ | 08:15 |
| didrocks | hey asac | 08:15 |
| RAOF | TheMuso: And if we built GTK 5 times I'm sure it'd take as long to build, too :) | 08:15 |
| asac | hi didrocks, robert_ancell ! | 08:16 |
| didrocks | robert_ancell: I still have on my "TOREAD" stuff the blog posts from yesterday on pygi :) | 08:16 |
| pitti | Good morning | 08:19 |
| didrocks | Guten Morgen pitti, how are you? | 08:19 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: heh | 08:24 |
| pitti | bonjour didrocks, I'm great! how are you? | 08:24 |
| didrocks | pitti: I'm fine, thanks ;) | 08:25 |
| mvo | hm, I had a dialog this morning that my stadnard folders need new names. but all it want to change is "Desktop" to "Downloads". that does not look right | 08:29 |
| robert_ancell | later all | 08:42 |
| didrocks | see you robert_ancell | 08:45 |
| seb128 | ok | 11:42 |
| seb128 | versions tracking maverick now | 11:42 |
| didrocks | seb128: cool \o/ | 11:48 |
| vish | seb128: hi.. how do i get an upload to lucid-proposed ? [for SRU] | 12:07 |
| pitti | vish: it's technically no different than uploading to maverick, except that the nature of changes needs to match the SRU requirements, and it needs to link to an SRU bug | 12:09 |
| * pitti lunch & | 12:09 | |
| vish | seb128: pitti: ex: Bug #566996 i think i filled the description appropriately.. | 12:10 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 566996 in humanity-icon-theme (Ubuntu) "Humanity in KDE does not display volume icons. (affects: 1) (heat: 7)" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/566996 | 12:10 |
| pitti | vish: ah, so KDE doesn't get along with the .png -> .svg symlink hack? | 12:15 |
| pitti | approved the lucid task | 12:15 |
| vish | pitti: yeah , thanks.. | 12:15 |
| === cking is now known as cking-afk | ||
| seb128 | vish, I was away for lunch, what pitti said | 12:30 |
| seb128 | you just need the upload to go to lucid-proposed in the changelog | 12:31 |
| seb128 | with a bug which has the debdiff and has a testcase | 12:31 |
| vish | seb128: oh , ok so the changelog for the lp:~ubuntu-art-pkg/humanity/release branch should mention "lucid-proposed" , on it | 12:32 |
| vish | thanks.. | 12:32 |
| seb128 | yes | 12:33 |
| vish | seb128: fixed the changelog to lucid-proposed : lp:~ubuntu-art-pkg/humanity/release , could you upload it to -proposed.. | 12:41 |
| === cking-afk is now known as cking | ||
| seb128 | vish, I will have a look later when I do some SRU round | 12:43 |
| vish | seb128: neat thanks.. | 12:43 |
| seb128 | you're welcome, thanks for working on the change! | 12:43 |
| vish | np.. :) | 12:43 |
| kenvandine | seb128, when does the tracker update? | 13:04 |
| kenvandine | WI tracker that is? | 13:05 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, once a day or when pitti kicks an update I think | 13:07 |
| seb128 | pitti, ^ | 13:07 |
| kenvandine | ok | 13:08 |
| pitti | it updates WIs hourly | 13:08 |
| pitti | and team members/milestones daily | 13:08 |
| seb128 | pitti, thanks | 13:08 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, is that anything you miss there? | 13:08 |
| kenvandine | i fixed something | 13:10 |
| kenvandine | removed the leading * | 13:10 |
| kenvandine | so now my WI count is a perfect 16 :) | 13:10 |
| seb128 | pitti, do you have any suggestion about who would know about zip and encoding or could take responsability for this change out of you? | 13:12 |
| pitti | seb128: bug 580961? | 13:12 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 580961 in unzip (Debian) (and 2 other projects) "unzip fails to deal correctly with filename encodings (affects: 84) (dups: 19) (heat: 582)" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/580961 | 13:12 |
| seb128 | pitti, yes, it seems to be high on the user annoyance list looking at duplicates | 13:12 |
| seb128 | pitti, and since you are not going to work on it I'm trying to figure where to bounce it | 13:13 |
| pitti | I haven't looked at it at all yet | 13:13 |
| seb128 | well you shouldn't ;-) | 13:13 |
| pitti | I never actually touched that patch, so I'm afraid I know nothing more than anyone else | 13:13 |
| seb128 | ok, good, thanks | 13:14 |
| pitti | but oh well, we don't even support non-UTF8 file names, locales, etc. | 13:14 |
| seb128 | I will add it on my list of things to look at | 13:14 |
| pitti | so I don't consider it a major issue TBH | 13:14 |
| pitti | merci | 13:14 |
| pitti | and this is not the kind of change that I like us to carry permanently | 13:15 |
| seb128 | it has quite some duplicate, I would like to have that sorted still ;-) | 13:15 |
| seb128 | you're welcome | 13:15 |
| pitti | that patch is ancient, and if it never made it upstream, there's something fishy | 13:15 |
| pitti | doko originally applied it, but apparently got the idea wrong what it actually does | 13:16 |
| pitti | but this was in feisty, so he might not remember the details any more | 13:16 |
| seb128 | I will try to understand what is going on and talk to doko about it a bit later | 13:17 |
| seb128 | thanks! | 13:17 |
| * pitti hugs seb128 | 13:17 | |
| * seb128 hugs pitti | 13:18 | |
| kenvandine | seb128, got a few to review my blueprints? | 13:18 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, yes, did the track picked your updates yet? | 13:18 |
| kenvandine | probably not, but it is obvious | 13:20 |
| kenvandine | basically my number is 16, not 22 | 13:20 |
| kenvandine | the ones with [segphault] were getting counted for me | 13:20 |
| seb128 | ok | 13:20 |
| seb128 | so let's review those | 13:20 |
| seb128 | you have 3 specs right? | 13:20 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 13:21 |
| seb128 | desktop-maverick-empathy-indicator | 13:21 |
| seb128 | desktop-maverick-gwibber-test-suite | 13:21 |
| seb128 | desktop-maverick-social-api | 13:21 |
| seb128 | + some items on dx specs | 13:21 |
| seb128 | http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-desktop-team.html says you have 49 items for the cycle | 13:21 |
| pitti | ?! | 13:22 |
| seb128 | what was item per week count? | 13:22 |
| pitti | two hours ago it was 4 | 13:22 |
| kenvandine | my target is 16 for a2 | 13:22 |
| seb128 | pitti, ? I'm talking to kenvandine | 13:22 |
| pitti | seb128: I can do one per week | 13:22 |
| pitti | seb128: argh, sorry; got the hightlight due to the /~pitti/ | 13:22 |
| seb128 | pitti, sorry seems there is some confusion | 13:22 |
| kenvandine | hehe | 13:22 |
| seb128 | pitti, kenvandine can't make it to the meeting today, we are review his items | 13:22 |
| seb128 | reviewing | 13:23 |
| * seb128 hugs pitti | 13:23 | |
| kenvandine | weekly target is 3 | 13:23 |
| kenvandine | so actually my a2 target is 18 | 13:23 |
| seb128 | ok | 13:23 |
| kenvandine | i have 16 so far for my specs | 13:23 |
| seb128 | so let's start with | 13:23 |
| seb128 | http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-desktop-team-maverick-alpha-1.html | 13:23 |
| kenvandine | which only gives me room for 2 more :) | 13:23 |
| * pitti should have put them into a role account | 13:23 | |
| kenvandine | only other item i know about is indicator-network plus my usually package wrangling | 13:23 |
| seb128 | ok | 13:24 |
| seb128 | alpha1 has the indicator-appmenu items | 13:24 |
| desrt | seb128, pitti, kenvandine; good morning | 13:24 |
| seb128 | do you know if that's on track to land in the next 2 weeks? | 13:24 |
| seb128 | desrt, hey | 13:24 |
| pitti | hey desrt, how are you? | 13:24 |
| desrt | pretty decent | 13:24 |
| kenvandine | yes | 13:24 |
| kenvandine | seb128, those should be thursday | 13:24 |
| kenvandine | next week | 13:24 |
| seb128 | ok, good | 13:24 |
| seb128 | so alpha1 on track | 13:24 |
| seb128 | looking to http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-desktop-team-maverick-alpha-2.html now | 13:25 |
| desrt | seb128: there are some new packages :) | 13:25 |
| seb128 | desrt, no time for dconf this week sorry ;-) | 13:25 |
| kenvandine | yay tracker refreshed | 13:25 |
| desrt | it's fine :p | 13:25 |
| seb128 | but maybe robert_ancell will pick it up, he did the glib 2.25 update | 13:25 |
| desrt | was wondering if maybe we can get the 'dconf' package dropped from universe though | 13:25 |
| desrt | otherwise i will be forced to rename it to seb128conf | 13:26 |
| seb128 | I doubt it | 13:26 |
| seb128 | namespace clash suck | 13:26 |
| kenvandine | hehe | 13:26 |
| * desrt installed epiphany-game during the default browser selection session >:( | 13:26 | |
| chrisccoulson | i've done that before too ;) | 13:27 |
| kenvandine | seb128, so for a2 my target is 18 and i have 16, i think the indicator-network stuff should have WIs for me, so that will max me out | 13:27 |
| kenvandine | but it should be doable | 13:27 |
| desrt | chrisccoulson: i think every living being has done that at some point | 13:27 |
| kenvandine | 2 of the a2 WIs are almost done already | 13:27 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, right, I'm reviewing your a2 items right now, seems good | 13:27 |
| kenvandine | actually 3 | 13:27 |
| seb128 | desrt, yeah... | 13:27 |
| desrt | ok | 13:28 |
| desrt | seb128conf it is | 13:28 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-maverick-empathy-indicator do we still need an empathy change or the preference? | 13:28 |
| desrt | i will let the gnome admins know to rename the module in git and bugzilla | 13:28 |
| desrt | :) | 13:28 |
| seb128 | desrt, lol | 13:28 |
| kenvandine | seb128, yeah, small one | 13:28 |
| kenvandine | to enable or disable use of the indicator | 13:28 |
| kenvandine | we'll read the pref from gconf | 13:28 |
| kenvandine | i don't want any UI in the service | 13:28 |
| seb128 | I'm wondering if we need an UI | 13:29 |
| kenvandine | and empathy will need to know if it needs to use the StatusIcon or not | 13:29 |
| seb128 | the service will be a new binary? | 13:29 |
| kenvandine | yes | 13:29 |
| seb128 | can't we just be smart about it depending on whether the service is installed or not | 13:29 |
| seb128 | and maybe have a gconf key for tweaking but without ui | 13:29 |
| kenvandine | we could... but makes it a little harder for users to go back and forth | 13:29 |
| kenvandine | either way requires a patch to empathy | 13:30 |
| seb128 | ok, fair enough | 13:30 |
| kenvandine | so empathy doesn't use the status icon | 13:30 |
| kenvandine | trying to keep it simple | 13:30 |
| kenvandine | we already have the UI patch in place and is tiny | 13:30 |
| seb128 | right | 13:31 |
| ArneGoetje | seb128: I have one blueprint, which doesn't show up in the burndown chart. Can you please take a look? https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-maverick-language-selector-code-changes | 13:32 |
| seb128 | your list seems good, you have quite some items but tasks are reasonable amount of work and it seems doable | 13:32 |
| kenvandine | good :) | 13:32 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, who is in charge or porting the indicator to libgwibber, dx or you? | 13:32 |
| kenvandine | me | 13:33 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, you seem to have no work items for those tasks? | 13:33 |
| kenvandine | well the indicator won't be in libgwibber | 13:33 |
| kenvandine | that won't change actually | 13:33 |
| kenvandine | that is driven by gwibber-service | 13:33 |
| seb128 | ok, so indicator change required? | 13:33 |
| kenvandine | no | 13:34 |
| seb128 | ArneGoetje, done | 13:34 |
| seb128 | ArneGoetje, it needed the serie goal to be accepted | 13:34 |
| kenvandine | libgwibber is just for other apps besides gwibber | 13:34 |
| seb128 | ArneGoetje, should be there on next refresh | 13:34 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, ok, good | 13:34 |
| ArneGoetje | seb128: ok, thanks | 13:34 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, is there any item for the indicator-clock packaging somewhere? | 13:35 |
| kenvandine | that packaging is done | 13:35 |
| seb128 | I guess it will need to get uploaded and promoted this cycle | 13:35 |
| kenvandine | the only thing needed would be to drop the existing one | 13:35 |
| kenvandine | just needs to land in main | 13:35 |
| seb128 | should we track that? | 13:36 |
| kenvandine | didrocks might already be | 13:36 |
| kenvandine | since that is already in UNE | 13:36 |
| kenvandine | if not it would be good to track it | 13:36 |
| seb128 | https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/dx-m-indicator-clock | 13:36 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: I guess there is a dx spec for it | 13:36 |
| didrocks | ok, seb128 found it :) | 13:36 |
| seb128 | didrocks, kenvandine: ^ can you coordinate to get 2 items there | 13:36 |
| seb128 | one for getting it uploaded | 13:37 |
| seb128 | one mir | 13:37 |
| seb128 | decide between you who takes the actions | 13:37 |
| didrocks | I was thinking all indicators stuff was on kenvandine, hence the fact I didn't check | 13:37 |
| seb128 | it should not be lot of work anyway ;-) | 13:37 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, can you get it in universe? | 13:38 |
| seb128 | didrocks, can you get the mir done and une to pull it in? | 13:38 |
| kenvandine | i can | 13:38 |
| seb128 | thanks | 13:38 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, ok, you are on track for your specs it seems, thanks for the review | 13:38 |
| kenvandine | thank you | 13:38 |
| seb128 | good luck for getting all that done now ;-) | 13:38 |
| kenvandine | hehe | 13:39 |
| seb128 | desrt, so dconf, we don't have good way to handle renames | 13:41 |
| desrt | *ahem* drop? :) | 13:41 |
| seb128 | users who have current dconf installed would receive something different on upgrade replacing what they use | 13:41 |
| desrt | i guess the upgrade question is pretty pointless when the new package is default-installed | 13:41 |
| seb128 | we would need to convince debian too since it comes from there | 13:41 |
| kenvandine | seb128, can you sponsor lp:~ubuntu-desktop/indicator-application/ubuntu | 13:42 |
| kenvandine | to lucid-proposed? | 13:42 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, will do, thanks to ted and you for working on it | 13:42 |
| kenvandine | it got rejected for me | 13:42 |
| pitti | seb128: I don't understand? wouldn't it be enough to have the new packages conflicts/replaces: dconf? | 13:42 |
| seb128 | pitti, which new packages? | 13:42 |
| kenvandine | and subscribe ubuntu-sru to bug 569273 | 13:43 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 569273 in indicator-application (Ubuntu) "memory leak in gnome-power-manager on lucid (affects: 11) (heat: 50)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/569273 | 13:43 |
| seb128 | pitti, there is a dconf already which is something else | 13:43 |
| * kenvandine needs to head out now... be back in a few hours | 13:43 | |
| pitti | seb128: aah, right; this is not _that_ dconf, sorry | 13:43 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, I will let you handle the bug subscribing etc side | 13:43 |
| seb128 | pitti, yeah, confusing... | 13:43 |
| pitti | seb128: the binary might be libdconf1 and libdconf-bin? | 13:44 |
| seb128 | they might, I didn't look at it yet | 13:44 |
| didrocks | seb128: I've added that to the WI "MIR for UNE components" | 13:44 |
| seb128 | didrocks, thanks | 13:44 |
| kenvandine | ok | 13:45 |
| seb128 | desrt, how are the applications ported to gsettings working right now without dconf? | 13:45 |
| desrt | they use a backend inside of glib that stores the settings in a GHashTable local to the program | 13:46 |
| seb128 | it means you loose your config when you close the software? | 13:46 |
| desrt | yes | 13:46 |
| seb128 | ok, we don't want to package 2.31 yet :p | 13:46 |
| desrt | just package dconf first :p | 13:47 |
| seb128 | yeah, will try to get that done next week | 13:47 |
| desrt | i guess dconf should be Recommends: of libglib | 13:47 |
| seb128 | right | 13:47 |
| seb128 | slomo, hey | 13:47 |
| seb128 | slomo, will you work on packaging dconf for debian? | 13:48 |
| slomo | seb128: probably not, too busy with other stuff | 13:48 |
| slomo | seb128: same goes for gtk3 :( | 13:49 |
| seb128 | ok | 13:49 |
| seb128 | you started on glib 2.25 so I was wondering | 13:49 |
| seb128 | thanks | 13:49 |
| pitti | seb128: you could upload it to debian as well? | 13:49 |
| seb128 | pitti, right, I was just checking before we start and duplicate work | 13:50 |
| seb128 | I will get it in debian | 13:50 |
| seb128 | though I guess Debian will not do anything with it in the next month | 13:50 |
| seb128 | they will freeze soon | 13:50 |
| pitti | they probably won't mind having it in experimental | 13:51 |
| seb128 | right, I will get it there | 13:51 |
| desrt | seb128: yes. | 13:53 |
| desrt | er. ignore me. | 13:53 |
| ccheney | good morning | 14:01 |
| seb128 | hey tedg, rickspencer3 | 14:24 |
| seb128 | tedg, rickspencer3: slightly going back on your local timezones it seems? ;-) | 14:25 |
| rickspencer3 | hi seb128 | 14:26 |
| rickspencer3 | yes, I went to bed and woke up at normal times for the first time since back! | 14:26 |
| tedg | seb128, Trying ;) | 14:26 |
| rickspencer3 | I am very happy | 14:26 |
| pitti | hey rickspencer3 | 14:28 |
| rickspencer3 | hi pitti | 14:29 |
| seb128 | pitti, do you plan do your merges during your distro time or should we try to take over those? | 14:29 |
| pitti | seb128: I did a few, but I might not get to all of them | 14:29 |
| seb128 | I guess we can ask tremolux to help on those | 14:29 |
| seb128 | would be some good training for distro work | 14:29 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, is there an invite for the bp review meeting? | 14:29 |
| rickspencer3 | does everyone know when it is? | 14:30 |
| * tremolux waves | 14:30 | |
| pitti | rickspencer3: I got one | 14:30 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, I sent a reminder this morning, let me know if that didn't work | 14:30 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, I use the launchpad "contact team members" | 14:30 |
| seb128 | hey tremolux | 14:30 |
| seb128 | hey ccheney too | 14:30 |
| tremolux | seb128: hiya seb128 | 14:30 |
| ccheney | seb128: hi | 14:31 |
| * tremolux reaches out for seb128 but catches only air | 14:46 | |
| DASPRiD | tremolux, so you got him? | 14:46 |
| DASPRiD | :) | 14:46 |
| tremolux | DASPRiD: haha | 14:47 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, fyi ... I'm going to take a swap day tomorrow | 15:23 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, ok, enjoy it! | 15:24 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, will you drive the eastern edition for specs btw? | 15:24 |
| seb128 | specs -> workitems | 15:24 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, yeah | 15:24 |
| rickspencer3 | I'll do my best | 15:24 |
| rickspencer3 | maybe tomorrow you can check them over, though | 15:24 |
| seb128 | will do | 15:26 |
| seb128 | at what time is the eastern edition? | 15:26 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, is desktop-maverick-desktop-application-selection worth tracking or are the only plan of record tracked by other specs? | 15:29 |
| seb128 | ie shotwell by default | 15:30 |
| seb128 | gobby has some notes about getting new screensavers, etc | 15:30 |
| seb128 | tremolux, don't forget to define your work items for the meeting in 1h58 | 15:31 |
| seb128 | tremolux, desktop-maverick-software-center-front-end still has none | 15:31 |
| seb128 | TheMuso, should desktop-maverick-gnome3-accessibility-readiness be tracked for maverick or not? it has no work items but is on the maverick serie | 15:32 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, I think not | 15:32 |
| rickspencer3 | same with the UNE one | 15:33 |
| tremolux | seb128: yep, actually, I apologize but didn't know about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/10.10/WorkItemProcess until this morning | 15:33 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, ok, should I mark it informational? | 15:33 |
| tremolux | seb128: I'm working right now with mvo to coordinate our work items | 15:33 |
| seb128 | tremolux, oh ok, thanks, you didn't get the "Blueprints and Work Items" email 3 days ago from rick? | 15:34 |
| tremolux | seb128: nope :( | 15:34 |
| seb128 | tremolux, you should be in the team and it has been sent to team member on launchpad | 15:34 |
| tremolux | I think I was added this week | 15:34 |
| seb128 | tremolux, do you have a launchpad filter which could have sent that in your flood or bug emails? | 15:34 |
| seb128 | tremolux, you were added 6 days ago according to my emails | 15:35 |
| tremolux | seb128: hrm | 15:35 |
| seb128 | tremolux, you should have received it...did you get the one I sent today about the meeting reminder? | 15:35 |
| tremolux | seb128: yep, I did get the reminder, which is when I found out about it | 15:36 |
| seb128 | tremolux, ok, let's assume things are working now | 15:36 |
| seb128 | tremolux, thanks for working on getting the list done, don't worry if you are a bit late that's not an issue | 15:36 |
| tremolux | seb128: thanks seb128, sorry about that! | 15:37 |
| seb128 | no worry! | 15:37 |
| seb128 | pitti, could you kick a workitems update in 1.5hours? | 15:37 |
| seb128 | pitti, I would like to have an updated summary for the meeting | 15:37 |
| pitti | seb128: in 1.5 hours it'll trigger automatically anyway | 15:37 |
| pitti | it's :05 past the hour | 15:38 |
| rickspencer3 | I love seeing seb128 cracking the whip | 15:38 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, ;-) | 15:38 |
| pitti | yeah, he learned that quickly :) | 15:38 |
| * pitti hugs seb128 | 15:38 | |
| seb128 | lol | 15:38 |
| * rickspencer3 leans back on marble couch while getting fed grapes | 15:38 | |
| * seb128 hugs pitti | 15:38 | |
| pitti | rickspencer3: sounds ... stressful :) | 15:38 |
| seb128 | lol | 15:38 |
| rickspencer3 | you guys make my job so hard | 15:38 |
| * tremolux is mumbling with mvo.. | 15:41 | |
| seb128 | mvo, do you think there is an actual lp team on launchpad you could use rather than "lp team" in your specs? | 15:49 |
| seb128 | mvo, or pick somebody on the launchpad side | 15:49 |
| mvo | seb128: soyuz is the one that I can think of that is closest | 15:51 |
| seb128 | mvo, I guess the soyuz team doesn't do workitems charts anyway so there is no real point to match their team there... | 15:52 |
| seb128 | mvo, is somebody in charge of checking that things are being done on the server side? | 15:52 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, mvo can we not just assign work items to bigjools on the white board? | 15:52 |
| mvo | oh, that is a good idea, we can just use his name instead of the team | 15:53 |
| mvo | seb128: its there to show that its a dependency for some of our functionality | 15:53 |
| seb128 | or to whoever on the distro side is tracking those changes | 15:54 |
| seb128 | soon mvo will have half of ubuntu workitems assigned to him ;-) | 15:54 |
| * seb128 hugs mvo | 15:54 | |
| * DASPRiD pets seb128 | 16:02 | |
| rickspencer3 | tremolux, I'm not seeing the bug report for that weird PPA issue we saw yesterday | 16:07 |
| Amaranth | hmm, I think I might need to get some help from the KDE guys on this compiz packaging issue | 16:11 |
| Amaranth | compiz generates a pot file during the build which is then used to generate translated xml files and gconf schemas from those xml files but I think since the pot file is going in to the srcdir instead of the builddir this is failing silently in pbuilder and sbuild | 16:13 |
| tremolux | rickspencer3: yep, still need to write it, unfortunately, looks like that ppa (ppa:nisshh/ppa) has been deleted? | 16:16 |
| rickspencer3 | hmm | 16:17 |
| rickspencer3 | weird | 16:17 |
| rickspencer3 | tremolux, I'll ask nisshh what's up | 16:17 |
| tremolux | rickspencer3: k, thanks | 16:17 |
| seb128 | hey there | 17:29 |
| seb128 | meeting in 1 minute | 17:29 |
| ccheney | here | 17:30 |
| ArneGoetje | o/ | 17:30 |
| seb128 | ArneGoetje, ccheney, didrocks, chrisccoulson, Riddell, rickspencer3: hey | 17:30 |
| seb128 | did I forget anybody? | 17:31 |
| chrisccoulson | hey | 17:31 |
| seb128 | pitti, not sure if you join | 17:31 |
| pitti | I'll lurk | 17:31 |
| didrocks | o/ | 17:31 |
| * chrisccoulson waves at pitti | 17:31 | |
| pitti | hey chrisccoulson | 17:31 |
| seb128 | hey everybody | 17:31 |
| Riddell | hi | 17:31 |
| seb128 | I hope everybody travelled back safely | 17:31 |
| seb128 | and got over jetlag without ubufly | 17:32 |
| seb128 | ubuflu | 17:32 |
| pitti | on that front it was surprisingly quiet indeed | 17:32 |
| chrisccoulson | is ubufly a new airline? ;) | 17:32 |
| pitti | seems we finally exchanged enough germs around the world :) | 17:32 |
| seb128 | lol | 17:32 |
| seb128 | pitti, it seems lool and dholbach got it | 17:33 |
| ccheney | i was surprised i didn't get sick this time | 17:33 |
| seb128 | not sure about other people | 17:33 |
| seb128 | so let's get started | 17:33 |
| chrisccoulson | i didn't get sick either | 17:33 |
| seb128 | everybody did some good work on registering blueprints and workitems, so thanks! | 17:33 |
| seb128 | pitti, want to start? since you don't really have to stay for the meeting and have only 4 items should be quick then you are free to go enjoy your evening ;-) | 17:34 |
| pitti | please :) | 17:34 |
| seb128 | I guess you can manage those 4 items during the cycle during your 20% distro time? | 17:34 |
| pitti | absolutely | 17:34 |
| pitti | the two vfat-noexec ones are by and large done | 17:34 |
| pitti | just waiting for an ack from davidz | 17:34 |
| pitti | "Add apport.hookutils.add_video_info" sounds easy | 17:35 |
| pitti | and I don't know about the gpu hang detection | 17:35 |
| seb128 | ok, matches what I though too | 17:35 |
| pitti | I'll talk to RAOF | 17:35 |
| seb128 | I don't see any special issue or anything to discuss | 17:35 |
| seb128 | thanks pitti ;-) | 17:36 |
| pitti | that was quick :) | 17:36 |
| seb128 | indeed! | 17:36 |
| * pitti hugs seb128 for organizing everything so well | 17:36 | |
| * seb128 hugs pitti | 17:36 | |
| seb128 | hope your enjoy your rotation ;-) | 17:36 |
| seb128 | ok, let's keep going | 17:36 |
| seb128 | ArneGoetje, hey | 17:36 |
| ArneGoetje | seb128: hi | 17:36 |
| seb128 | ArneGoetje, so you have 2 specs about language selector | 17:36 |
| ArneGoetje | seb128: yup | 17:37 |
| seb128 | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-maverick-language-selector | 17:37 |
| seb128 | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-maverick-language-selector-code-changes | 17:37 |
| seb128 | ArneGoetje, did you calculate your workitem number by week for previous cycle? | 17:37 |
| ArneGoetje | seb128: those 2 are not related, that's why I separated them | 17:37 |
| seb128 | ArneGoetje, how much was it? what does it give you for a2? | 17:37 |
| ArneGoetje | seb128: I didn't calculate that, but I'll try to get as many done as possible for a2 | 17:38 |
| seb128 | the idea was to use that as a metric to know how much you can aim at for a2 | 17:38 |
| seb128 | could you try to calculate it later and let us know the number as it was described on the wikipage rick mentions some day ago in his email? | 17:39 |
| seb128 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/10.10/WorkItemProcess | 17:39 |
| seb128 | ArneGoetje, ^ | 17:39 |
| ArneGoetje | seb128: las cycle I had lots of extra stuff to do, so I figured the 11 items I have now are feasable | 17:39 |
| seb128 | ok, still do it for the record if you can | 17:40 |
| seb128 | so no alpha1 items so far | 17:40 |
| seb128 | and only one for alpha2 | 17:40 |
| seb128 | is that correct? | 17:40 |
| ArneGoetje | seb128: sure... just need to go digging for the old blueprints again | 17:40 |
| seb128 | just use the lucid team summary | 17:40 |
| seb128 | you have the count there | 17:41 |
| seb128 | by people | 17:41 |
| seb128 | divide by the number of weeks | 17:41 |
| seb128 | so let's go back to maverick | 17:41 |
| seb128 | ArneGoetje, you should probably target some extra items for alpha-2 | 17:41 |
| ArneGoetje | seb128: yes, I hope I can get the design mockups next week so that I can start right away | 17:41 |
| seb128 | you have only one according to http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-desktop-team-maverick-alpha-2.html | 17:41 |
| ArneGoetje | seb128: depends on how fast I can get the design mockups | 17:42 |
| seb128 | who is working on the design? | 17:42 |
| ArneGoetje | michael forrest. I have contacted him already | 17:43 |
| seb128 | ok good | 17:43 |
| seb128 | do you have other things to work on until you get the design? | 17:43 |
| seb128 | or other non-spec work for this cycle? | 17:43 |
| ArneGoetje | regarding the code changes I'll have a mini sprint with mvo next week, so that'l get me started too | 17:43 |
| seb128 | ok good | 17:44 |
| seb128 | your list of work items seem reasonable otherwise | 17:44 |
| seb128 | if you are blocked to get going on that maybe review lucid bugs on language selector and look if there is some sru required there | 17:44 |
| ArneGoetje | I'm currently reading documentation about dbus and aptdeamon, and keep looking at bug reports which came in in the meantime. | 17:44 |
| seb128 | or try helping on merges for maverick if you think you can do some | 17:44 |
| seb128 | ok, seems good | 17:45 |
| seb128 | ArneGoetje, also is ubiquity using language selector for langpacks handling? | 17:45 |
| ArneGoetje | seb128: yes, should be | 17:45 |
| seb128 | just checking if that should be something to take in account when you do the changes | 17:45 |
| seb128 | you have no work item about that | 17:45 |
| seb128 | could you add one about making sure ubiquity gets updated if required? | 17:45 |
| seb128 | or at least tested | 17:45 |
| ArneGoetje | not sure how much changes I will have to do... hope the mini sprint with mvo clarifies that... so, expect some more work items to appear on that spec. | 17:46 |
| seb128 | ok, good | 17:46 |
| seb128 | thanks ArneGoetje | 17:46 |
| seb128 | good luck for the sprint ;-) | 17:46 |
| ArneGoetje | thanks | 17:46 |
| seb128 | ccheney, hi | 17:47 |
| ccheney | seb128, hi | 17:47 |
| seb128 | ccheney, do you still have some desktop team time this cycle or are you helping the server time full time now? | 17:47 |
| ccheney | seb128, yes 20% | 17:47 |
| seb128 | do you have any spec for those 20%? | 17:48 |
| seb128 | or just regular openoffice updates and cleaning? | 17:48 |
| ccheney | seb128, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-maverick-openoffice | 17:48 |
| seb128 | oh, it has no serie goal | 17:48 |
| * seb128 fixes that | 17:48 | |
| ccheney | seb128, cleaning/updating OOo and working with dx team on paper cuts/menu integration | 17:48 |
| ccheney | ah sorry about that, forgot to tag it | 17:49 |
| seb128 | ccheney, no worry, I've done it | 17:49 |
| seb128 | the list of workitems there seems reasonable for a 20% time | 17:49 |
| seb128 | ccheney, thanks | 17:49 |
| ccheney | ok | 17:50 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, hi | 17:50 |
| chrisccoulson | hi seb128 | 17:50 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, did you calculate your workitems by week count? | 17:50 |
| seb128 | not sure if you have been in the team long enough in lucid to do that though | 17:50 |
| seb128 | you pretty much worked on getting on speed with firefox I guess | 17:51 |
| rickspencer3 | chrisccoulson, work item/week count = infinity + 1 | 17:51 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i don't really have any historical data to do that yet | 17:51 |
| rickspencer3 | ;) | 17:51 |
| seb128 | lol | 17:51 |
| seb128 | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-maverick-chromium | 17:51 |
| chrisccoulson | lol | 17:51 |
| seb128 | https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-maverick-user-accounts-dialog | 17:51 |
| seb128 | I see those specs on your list | 17:51 |
| seb128 | somewhat it seems to low I must be missing something? ;-) | 17:51 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, there is also https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-maverick-mozilla-team-discussion, which doesn't have a series goal just yet | 17:52 |
| seb128 | joke aside, you are quite busy with browser and n-m maintainship I guess | 17:52 |
| chrisccoulson | but most of the WI's on there are not mine ;) | 17:52 |
| seb128 | should I set it now? | 17:52 |
| seb128 | the serie goal | 17:52 |
| chrisccoulson | yes please :) | 17:52 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i'm generally quite busy with browser maintenance atm ;) | 17:52 |
| seb128 | ok, serie goal accepted | 17:53 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks | 17:53 |
| seb128 | so I guess your priority for now is to sort up quickly chromium and if it's doable for UNE this cycle | 17:53 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i can do that | 17:53 |
| seb128 | should you have some alpha-1 or alpha-2 items about that? | 17:53 |
| seb128 | the technicals packaging changes can wait a bit | 17:54 |
| seb128 | but we should try to sort early what we need | 17:54 |
| seb128 | and if upstream is wanting to help getting there this cycle | 17:54 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah. so, i think the big things are security updates and translations aren't they? | 17:55 |
| seb128 | yes | 17:55 |
| seb128 | + sorting what users issues we will need to get sorted | 17:55 |
| seb128 | ie dx indicator-menu integration | 17:56 |
| seb128 | csd | 17:56 |
| seb128 | somebody mentioned during the session also that printing was quite broken | 17:56 |
| seb128 | could you try to coordinate with bratsche_ maybe to talk to upstream about the menu and csd | 17:56 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, no problem | 17:57 |
| seb128 | + try to get the security updates discussion going and see what we can do for translations? | 17:57 |
| seb128 | thanks | 17:57 |
| seb128 | otherwise your useraccount spec seems reasonable | 17:57 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, anything else to add? | 17:57 |
| chrisccoulson | i don't think i've got anything else to add | 17:58 |
| seb128 | ok, seems you are in shape and going to be busy again this cycle | 17:58 |
| seb128 | thanks chrisccoulson ;-) | 17:58 |
| seb128 | dunno what we would do without you | 17:58 |
| seb128 | don't forget to sleep and don't overwork yourself too much ;-) | 17:58 |
| seb128 | next | 17:58 |
| seb128 | didrocks, hey | 17:59 |
| didrocks | yes o/ | 17:59 |
| didrocks | my magical number is 5 WI a week | 17:59 |
| seb128 | https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-maverick-une-app-selection | 17:59 |
| seb128 | https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-maverick-quickly | 17:59 |
| seb128 | https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-maverick-oneconf | 17:59 |
| seb128 | didrocks, nice, somebody who reply before being asked, thanks ;-) | 17:59 |
| didrocks | y/w :-) | 17:59 |
| seb128 | you have those on your list for now | 17:59 |
| seb128 | is there any spec missing or not listed yet? | 18:00 |
| didrocks | no, I've gathered some part of other specs on thoses | 18:00 |
| seb128 | you will be busy maintaining UNE too | 18:00 |
| didrocks | I guess… ^^ | 18:00 |
| Riddell | is UNE going to be the old UNE or Unity? | 18:00 |
| seb128 | unity | 18:00 |
| seb128 | didrocks, your list seems quite detailed and in shape | 18:01 |
| seb128 | you have a lot of alpha-2 items | 18:01 |
| didrocks | seb128: yeah, I think some WI are quite small, but it's more like a TODO reminder :) | 18:02 |
| seb128 | right | 18:02 |
| seb128 | it seems doable if you don't get too much sidetracked if maintaining other things | 18:02 |
| seb128 | or doing merges and updates | 18:02 |
| didrocks | right, I've worked on the last two days to be able to close 3/4 WI :) | 18:02 |
| seb128 | let me know if you feel you need to reschedule some items during the next weeks | 18:02 |
| didrocks | so, I think it's doable | 18:02 |
| seb128 | seems you are up for a busy cycle too but should manage | 18:03 |
| * seb128 hugs didrocks | 18:03 | |
| didrocks | some WI can be postponed to alpha3 if it's short | 18:03 |
| * didrocks hugs seb128 | 18:03 | |
| seb128 | keep rocking ;-) | 18:03 |
| didrocks | thanks :-) | 18:03 |
| seb128 | right, it seems you targetted almost all your items for alpha-2 | 18:03 |
| seb128 | we can probably delay some quickly one to alpha-3 if required | 18:03 |
| didrocks | sure | 18:04 |
| seb128 | didrocks, thanks | 18:04 |
| seb128 | Riddell, hey | 18:04 |
| didrocks | thanks to you for the review :) | 18:04 |
| seb128 | Riddell, not sure if you want to do a kubuntu summary for us there | 18:04 |
| Riddell | hi seb128 | 18:04 |
| seb128 | or if you have something ready | 18:04 |
| Riddell | we have lots of specs and todo items listed at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | 18:04 |
| seb128 | indeed | 18:05 |
| * seb128 looks to the list | 18:05 | |
| seb128 | seems a good list | 18:05 |
| seb128 | I trust you and the kubuntu team to be well organized and know what you have to do | 18:05 |
| seb128 | I've no special comment I think, anything you would like to mention or discuss with the team today? | 18:06 |
| Riddell | as a mostly community project it's hard to pin down deadlines to milestones so I'm unsure if it's useful to mark items for alpha 2 or not | 18:06 |
| seb128 | I would say it's always good to write some goals | 18:06 |
| seb128 | it might help you to focus | 18:06 |
| seb128 | but there is no strong need for it | 18:06 |
| seb128 | you can also reshuffle later if required | 18:07 |
| seb128 | but it's up to you ;-) | 18:07 |
| Riddell | yes, I'll mark some as being for alpha 2, see if it works or no | 18:07 |
| seb128 | seems good | 18:07 |
| seb128 | anything else? | 18:07 |
| seb128 | Riddell, thanks! | 18:08 |
| seb128 | next | 18:08 |
| Riddell | just usual reminder that if anyone is working on cross desktop bits to let me know when anything is liable to break | 18:08 |
| seb128 | right, good point | 18:08 |
| seb128 | seems people are taking that into account, I've seen ArneGoetje have specific items to test the kde backend for the language selector changes | 18:08 |
| Riddell | ooh good | 18:08 |
| seb128 | but we will make sure to let you know about the coming changes | 18:08 |
| seb128 | thanks Riddell ;-) | 18:09 |
| seb128 | next | 18:09 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, hello | 18:09 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, still otp | 18:09 |
| rickspencer3 | sorry | 18:09 |
| seb128 | ok | 18:09 |
| seb128 | no problem | 18:09 |
| seb128 | kenvandine is not there but I did review his items with it on the channel earlier | 18:09 |
| seb128 | those who are interested can read the log from 5 hours ago | 18:10 |
| * kenvandine is actually here now :) | 18:10 | |
| kenvandine | but glad to be done | 18:10 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 18:10 |
| seb128 | seems there is only me left now | 18:10 |
| seb128 | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-maverick-gnome | 18:10 |
| seb128 | https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-maverick-overriding-defaults-on-upgrade | 18:10 |
| seb128 | I've those on my list | 18:10 |
| seb128 | I didn't take on too many items for this cycle, doing techlead work is going to take some of my time and I want some free slot to handle GNOME changes coming | 18:11 |
| seb128 | well robert will be in charge mostly | 18:12 |
| seb128 | but still there might be need for some extra hands to sort some of the changes | 18:12 |
| seb128 | 18:13 | |
| seb128 | anybody has a comment about my specs? | 18:13 |
| seb128 | I guess not, let's move on ;-) | 18:13 |
| seb128 | I will catchup with rickspencer3 for his blueprints later on the channel | 18:13 |
| seb128 | and we will have an eastern edition tonight too | 18:13 |
| seb128 | some reminders before we end the meeting though | 18:14 |
| seb128 | - there will be lucid .1 in july | 18:14 |
| seb128 | (10.04.1) | 18:14 |
| seb128 | so keep fixing bugs you think are worth fixing there by doing sru updates | 18:14 |
| seb128 | don't spend too much time trying to fix every single bug though | 18:14 |
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| seb128 | the maverick cycle will be short and we have lot to do | 18:15 |
| seb128 | - maverick is open | 18:15 |
| seb128 | lot of merges to do, help from everybody is welcome on those | 18:15 |
| seb128 | - it's review time | 18:15 |
| seb128 | by review I mean performance review | 18:15 |
| chrisccoulson | does that apply to me too? | 18:15 |
| seb128 | so take some time to do that in the next week | 18:15 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: only for people who began before February, from what I read on the wiki (need checking again) | 18:16 |
| seb128 | "Everyone who joined on or before 01 February 2010 is in scope for this | 18:16 |
| seb128 | review." | 18:16 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, when did you start? | 18:16 |
| seb128 | later than that I guess? | 18:16 |
| seb128 | anyway | 18:17 |
| seb128 | that's all from me I think | 18:17 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, anything to add that I overlooked? | 18:17 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, I know you are busy, it's just in case | 18:18 |
| ccheney | i wanted to note that i will be gone the most of next week for a server sprint | 18:18 |
| seb128 | let's say it's a no, we can catch up later if required | 18:18 |
| seb128 | ccheney, ok, good luck | 18:18 |
| seb128 | thanks everybody | 18:18 |
| ccheney | i will be available via email but probably won't be at keyboard on irc much | 18:18 |
| kenvandine | thx seb128 | 18:19 |
| didrocks | thanks seb128 and everyone | 18:19 |
| ArneGoetje | thanks | 18:19 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - i started in march | 18:19 |
| kenvandine | chrisccoulson, when do you think you'll get conman uploaded to maverick? | 18:19 |
| seb128 | on which note it seems monday is a national holiday there | 18:19 |
| chrisccoulson | kenvandine, i could do it now | 18:19 |
| kenvandine | chrisccoulson, it would be appreciated :) | 18:19 |
| chrisccoulson | it's already uploaded to the lucid PPA | 18:19 |
| kenvandine | i saw | 18:19 |
| kenvandine | chrisccoulson, i am doing indicator-network now | 18:19 |
| kenvandine | will get it into the lucid ppa first | 18:20 |
| didrocks | going out for some errands, see you guys | 18:25 |
| * ccheney off to late lunch, bbia 1h | 18:25 | |
| seb128 | didrocks, have fun | 18:29 |
| * seb128 going for dinner | 18:29 | |
| ArneGoetje | seb128: FYI, my WI/week for Lucid was 1.7 | 18:35 |
| Amaranth | nice, using a tmpfs for pbuilder is _fast_ | 18:37 |
| Amaranth | and I'm almost out of RAM :P | 18:37 |
| Amaranth | oops, ran out | 18:37 |
| chrisccoulson | hmmm, connman needs an upstart job | 18:41 |
| chrisccoulson | and it needs porting to polkit-1 | 18:41 |
| * ccheney back | 19:22 | |
| ccheney | brb, have to reboot machine running irc client | 19:22 |
| ccheney | back | 19:25 |
| * ccheney found out today his wife might not actually have our son until June 18th, heh | 21:07 | |
| pitti | good night everyone | 21:39 |
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| rickspencer3 | hey RAOF, robert_ancell, tremolux | 23:54 |
| tremolux | howdy! | 23:55 |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3, hello | 23:55 |
| rickspencer3 | I guess time to review blueprints in 5 minutes? | 23:55 |
| rickspencer3 | TheMuso, too | 23:55 |
| * rickspencer3 feels like we are missing someone | 23:55 | |
| robert_ancell | good timing RAOF_! | 23:57 |
| TheMuso | Morning folks. | 23:57 |
| robert_ancell | [8:55] rickspencer3 feels like we are missing someone | 23:57 |
| RAOF_ | Morning all. | 23:57 |
| tremolux | heya everyone | 23:58 |
| rickspencer3 | I guess we'll start here: | 23:59 |
| rickspencer3 | https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick?searchtext=desktop-maverick | 23:59 |
| rickspencer3 | sort by assignee, and go through? | 23:59 |
| rickspencer3 | no bryce :,( | 23:59 |
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