[10:10] <Tm_T> lubuntu bots should have some contact mentioned in whois
[10:12] <Mamarok_> evilnhandler: fix your connection, please
[10:30] <tsimpson> Tm_T: the contacts are listed in the wiki
[10:47] <Tm_T> tsimpson: indeed, but random person seeing the bot doesn't possibly know that
[10:48] <tsimpson> Tm_T: do you happen to know how long the GECOS string can be?
[10:50] <Tm_T> tsimpson: unfortunately no I don't
[10:51] <Tm_T> ubot3 is still haunting, btw
[10:52] <tsimpson> jussi: ^ poke
[10:52] <Tm_T> it has nalioths cloak
[10:53] <jussi> sorted
[10:54] <Tm_T> jussi: thank you sir
[10:57] <tsimpson> Tm_T: link added
[11:02] <Tm_T> tsimpson: brilliant, thanks
[16:07] <Damascene> what a mess in #ubuntu
[16:08] <Damascene> and it's your fault
[16:08] <Pici> Damascene: Er, what?
[16:08] <Damascene> there is 10 new user every minutes
[16:09] <Damascene> 5 question every minute
[16:10]  * erUSUL 0.o!`
[16:12] <Pici> Damascene: And whats the problem?
[16:13] <Damascene> that you don't see any
[16:15] <erUSUL> Damascene: you can try to open our eyes ... bet you are talking about the #ubuntu to big to be usefull bug ...
[16:16] <Damascene> yes erUSUL
[16:16] <Damascene> *too big
[16:17] <erUSUL> https://bugs.launchpad.net/empathy/+bug/392799
[16:17] <erUSUL> ouch!!!
[16:18] <jpds> tsimpson: Haha.
[16:18] <jpds> ;)
[16:18] <erUSUL> what are those lubotu(n) .... ?
[16:19] <jpds> erUSUL: LoCo bots.
[16:19] <erUSUL> ok; i take there is already a #ubuntu-bots channel ?
[16:19] <Pici> tsimpson: could you please disable bug snarfing for all bots except ubottu in here.
[16:20] <erUSUL> Damascene: anyway; you can see the discussion about your corcerns there in that bug. you can add your point of view like any other ubuntu user
[16:21] <jussi> bug 392799
[16:22] <jussi> :)
[16:22] <Pici> jussi: you can help too :)
[16:22] <Damascene> I've seen that bug earlier
[16:41]  * Tm_T feels big need to scream "no channel splitting!!" ):
[17:11] <IdleOne> Tm_T: is that channel splitting convo still going on?
[17:20] <Tm_T> IdleOne: it never ends
[17:20] <IdleOne> seems like a waste of manpower to split the channel
[17:21] <Damascene> are you talking about #ubuntu?
[17:22] <IdleOne> yes
[17:22] <IdleOne> and splitting it into -lts etc
[17:22] <Damascene> well if you didn't spilt it you will keep losing users
[17:23] <IdleOne> How do you figure?
[17:24] <Damascene> will usually in a channel 10 can talk on one subject
[17:24] <Damascene> but what if there is 100 subject?
[17:24] <Damascene> should the other 99 subject wait?
[17:24] <IdleOne> that is why we use highlighting
[17:25] <IdleOne> I focus on what is addressed to me when I am trying to help a user
[17:25] <IdleOne> granted some of use more experienced user also try to keep up with other convos
[17:25] <IdleOne> s/use/us
[17:26] <IdleOne> but for the new user teaching them about !tab makes abig difference in my opinion
[17:27] <Damascene> so you should make sure that new users now about highlighting too
[17:27] <IdleOne> Damascene: I try to when I see that a user is not familiar with it
[17:28] <IdleOne> I am so used to using tab complete that I use it in priv msg also :)
[17:28] <IdleOne> or in a slow channel like this one is at the moment
[17:28] <Damascene> in many channel what people usually do is to look to a channel from time to time. in #ubuntu you should have all your eyes and ears there to be able to help someone
[17:29] <IdleOne> I know you are paying attention to what i am saying but I still highlighted you
[17:31] <IdleOne> we could use #ubuntu-irc-helpers as a place to redirect or as a place where a helper can ask a user to join for more detailed help with less scroll
[17:32] <IdleOne> right now it is a dead channel :/
[17:33] <IdleOne> I would suggest making it an officially logged channel and metabot could also keep track of the questions asked and categorize the answers
[17:33] <IdleOne> just a thought
[17:34] <Damascene> will if you have enough helpers you can just make
[17:34] <Damascene> ubuntu-1 ubuntu-2
[17:34] <Damascene> up to four channel
[17:34] <IdleOne> we don't need four channels
[17:35] <IdleOne> we have #ubuntu-irc-helpers
[17:35] <IdleOne> it is not a busy channel and can be used just for when a user has difficulties that require more detailed attention
[17:36] <IdleOne> not to mention a -1 would get confused with +1
[17:37] <Damascene> I think enough discussion have been made and it's urgent to fix the problem
[17:37] <IdleOne> it could be set to +i and have the "helpers" invite the user. a list of trusted helpers could get access to do invites
[17:37] <Damascene> whether it is -1 or what ever the present situation is miss
[17:38] <IdleOne> or have a bot do the invites. !ubottu invite $user
[17:38] <IdleOne> and the bot sends a nice message saying hey $user would like you to join #
[17:39] <Damascene> you can just categorize the problems and have it in groups
[17:39] <Damascene> so interested users and helpers can be there
[17:40] <IdleOne> talk to LjL about metabot and how it works.
[17:42] <Damascene> LjL-Temp, talk to us about metabot, please.
[17:43] <IdleOne> often times we see users ask if the helper can go private. right now what we normally do is !pm | user  we could add to that factoid and suggest #ubuntu-irc-helpers as an alternative to pm. That way there is still peer review insuring that bad advice is not given.