[00:01] <JanC> well, the devices there are created by dmraid AFAIK (so they are what is known as "fake raid", really some sort of "hardware-assisted raid")
[00:01] <meglio> X8DTL-iF - this is model of motherboard. I have read in manual that it only supports fake rade, so I decided to do not use it at all and to setup soft rade at all
[00:02] <JanC> google indicates that this might be some "Intel Matrix Storage" thing?
[00:03] <meglio> maybe it was activated by ubuntu live cd by default? hovewer when installing ubuntu in expert mode I selected to NOT activate onboard raid control , and then partioned and RAIDed everything manually in "manual partioning" installation setp
[00:03] <meglio> step
[00:04] <JanC> so it is disabled in the BIOS too?
[00:05] <meglio> yes I think so. In IDE menu in bios. let me check in my motherboard instruction and show you this menu - it's little difficult to me.
[00:07] <meglio> JanC, here it is: http://i49.tinypic.com/2j41sih.png
[00:12] <meglio> JanC, currently IDE#1 configured to Enhanced, IDE - so no RAID selected at all.
[00:27] <petester> Hey
[00:28] <petester> I'm trying to install ubuntu desktop on a really old machine, it's frozen at 5%, how do I terminate the install application?
[00:32] <meglio> JanC, I now reconfigured it in bios and here is what ls /dev shows, is it better now?   http://i50.tinypic.com/5obnrm.png
 ubuntu server installer is FLYING on my mini-itx
 and it's a first generation one
 bcsllc:
 which isn't know for speed
[00:53] <SpamapS> flyback: 20s from "boot" to "login:" on vmware fusion running on my macbook pro 15"
[00:53] <flyback> uh
[00:53] <flyback> this is a low power mini-itx system
[00:53] <flyback> cf card
[00:58] <SpamapS> flyback: yeah its cool. :)
[00:58] <SpamapS> flyback: just saying, 10.04 boots fast
[00:59] <flyback> i'm happy with 30s up and 10s down
[00:59] <flyback> it's just a box that monitors a ups then executes about 30 ssh logins
[00:59] <flyback> and fires off a script to shutdown vm's then the hosts and nas's
[01:15] <SpamapS> who knew.. let 4 small nodes hit 4 small nodes with 200 connections requesting phpsysinfo and the load shoots to 135.. :-P
[01:23] <Nonpython> I get this error whenever I install a perl module. http://www.pastie.org/968649
[01:38] <Rask> Hey all.  I've got a machine here that I'm trying to set up as a PXE server... it has two interfaces and I want it to be a DHCP client on eth0 and a DHCP server on eth1.  Not... real sure how to do this, my skill level is medium-low in the area. :)
[01:38] <Rask> I've installed atftpd and the bsd inetd and that much works, I've installed dhcp3-server, but not sure what to do with the conf.
[01:39] <Rask> Particularly as it doesn't mention the interface in the conf file anywhere that I can see.  A howto I found on linuxhomenetworking.org mentioned something to do with routes, but this is getting to be over my skill level.
[01:46] <mathiaz> smoser: is /etc/hosts regenerated by cloud-config when an instance boots in UEC/EC2?
[01:48] <mathiaz> smoser: yes - thanks :)
[02:07] <Nonpython> I get this error whenever I install a perl module. http://www.pastie.org/968649
[02:08] <SpamapS> Nonpython: hmmm.. did you maybe remove some packages or files on accident?
[02:09] <Nonpython> No.
[02:10] <SpamapS> Nonpython: when you stay install, do you mean via cpan?
[02:11] <Nonpython> CPAN and apt.
[02:11] <Rask> Nevermind, solved it m'self. :)  Thanks anyway!
[02:36] <cybrocop> smoser: UT by any chance?
[03:01] <ChmEarl> Nonpython, still working on the Perl module Locale issue?
[03:02] <Nonpython> yes
[03:03] <ChmEarl> Nonpython, what is the ubuntu release? and is it infact server?
[03:04] <Nonpython> 8.04.
[03:04] <qman__> I've seen that plenty of times
[03:04] <Nonpython> I did not install it, how do I check?
[03:04] <qman__> you need to install the language pack for your locale
[03:05] <Nonpython> What is it for en_US?
[03:06] <qman__> language-pack-en
[03:06] <ChmEarl> dpkg -l language-pack-en-base
[03:07] <qman__> it usually happens when someone botches a custom install
[03:07] <qman__> no language pack gets selected
[03:07] <qman__> installing that package should fix it
[03:07] <Nonpython> Ok.
[03:09] <ChmEarl> Nonpython, not sure is this works on 8.04: sudo tasksel --list-tasks
[03:09] <ChmEarl> Nonpython, that will tell you what package groups are installed
[03:11] <NightDragon> ello all
[03:12] <NightDragon> looking for an issue i'm having with Postbox
[03:12] <NightDragon> if anyone feels like helping me out
[03:12] <NightDragon> my postbox is horking whenever i am trying to configure it, but works fine with the vanilla conf file
[03:12] <NightDragon> tis weird... because i'm not really configuring anything exotic... and i'm using Webmin... so its strange that i'm having this problem
[03:31] <enav> NightDragon neither  ebox or webmin works for me on ubuntu 10.04 lst
[03:41] <Brando753> is there a way I can connect to a wifi router with ubuntu server?
[03:48] <ScottK> Brando753: Yes.  You have to manually configure it in /etc/network/interfaces
[03:49] <maddhat> anyone know how to control fan speed on an x345 running ubuntu server?
[03:49] <maddhat> anyone know how to control fan speed on an x345 running ubuntu server?
[03:49] <maddhat> whoops sorry double post
[03:51] <Brando753> how would one do that?
[03:52] <maddhat> i was copy-pasting to ubuntu channel as well and didnt switch the tab on my irc client :-/
[03:52] <ScottK> Brando753: man interfaces will get you started.  Unfortunately I really don't have time to provide detailed assistance.
[03:53] <ScottK> You'll probably need additional help from Google and maybe the Ubuntu Server Guide (I don't recall if it's covered)
[04:25] <Ian__> Hello
[04:26] <Ian__> Any 1 there ?
[04:27] <qman__> !anyone | Ian__
[04:28] <Ian__> Has any 1 used Ubuntu 10.04 and setup IMAP ?
[04:29] <Ian__> sorry havent used IRC before today
[04:33] <Ian__> I installed 10.04, setup ssh, transfered mail, user names/ passwords, could access the mail from a thunderbird client, could received mail locally, but not externally (in other words no mail is coming in)
[04:33] <Ian__> I have checked the routing etc. but no improvement
[05:01] <Nonpython> Emails I send from Postfix don't get received.
[05:06] <bilalakhtar> Hi people, I installed exim on my Karmic computer about 2 months ago, wen lucid arrived, i did a network upgrade, and from now on, exim starts very very slowly. How do I prevent exim4 from starting on boot? I want it to start when I invoke the init.d file manually.
[05:12] <jturek> billybigrigger: update-rc.d can modifiy your rc (startup) scripts
[05:12] <jturek> oops sorry wrong tab
[05:13] <jturek> bilalakhtar: that was meant for you
[05:13] <bilalakhtar> lol
[05:13] <bilalakhtar> thanks
[05:13] <jturek> bilalakhtar: update-rc.d -f remove exim
[05:13] <bilalakhtar> let me check what -f does
[05:14] <bilalakhtar> jturek: man page says its for System-V style scripts. Will it work with Upstart?
[05:17] <lifeless> yes, exim is still a sysv script
[05:18] <bilalakhtar> lifeless: so will it have problems with upstart?
[05:18] <bilalakhtar> ok, sorry, misinterpreted that
[05:19] <bilalakhtar> I had to delete the ureadahead pack files. restarting now
[05:20] <jturek> robert, thanks for assisting i was away for a second when he asked about the sysv
[05:27] <jturek> bilalakhtar: welcome back
[05:27] <bilalakhtar> jturek: It didn;t work
[05:28] <bilalakhtar> Exim still starts on boot
[05:28] <bilalakhtar> let me google
[05:30] <jturek> bilalakhtar: look for exim in your /etc/init/ directory
[05:30] <jturek> if it truely is an upstart
[05:30] <jturek> thats where each upstart conf file is,   youc an edit the conf file disabling that service for each runlevel
[05:30] <bilalakhtar> jturek: its not in etc/init.d but in /etc/init.d/
[05:31] <bilalakhtar> jturek: no exim4.conf or exim.conf is there
[05:31] <bilalakhtar> Maybe some other part of the system is envoking it?
[05:32] <jturek> i'll install it here on my box, one moment
[05:32] <bilalakhtar> jturek: leave it, its not a mjor problem
[05:33] <Nonpython> Emails I send from Postfix don't get received by outside accounts.
[05:33] <bilalakhtar> For the various problems with sendmail and postfix. I used exim
[05:36] <jturek> ls
[05:36] <bilalakhtar> I removed links to sendmail, will restart
[05:37] <Nonpython> Any help?
[05:38] <jturek> odd, the update-rc.d worked for me on my lucid box...
[05:38] <jturek> oh he's gone
[05:38] <jturek> ;(
[05:38] <jturek> goodnight all
[05:39] <bilalakhtar> Didn't work, jturek
[05:40] <bilalakhtar> When I run sudo /etc/init.d/exim4 status I get Running
[05:45] <bilalakhtar> I think it worked. Even after stopping, status shows it as runnign
[06:15] <kozmund> On account of the quietude, I'll venture to make a small ammount of noise, not exactly Ubuntu server related, though they are going to be used in Ubuntu servers...does anyone have any experiece with 2tb caviar blacks vs. greens?
[06:18] <twb> ,anyone
[06:18] <twb> !anyone
[06:18] <Nonpython> Emails I send from Postfix don't get received by outside accounts, can I get help?
[06:19] <twb> Did you configure postfix?
[06:20] <Nonpython> Yes, by the USG.
[06:20] <twb> As a satellite, or a hub?
[06:21] <Nonpython> Spluh?
[06:21] <Nonpython> Huh?
[06:21] <twb> There are two kinds of MTAs
[06:21] <kozmund> In all fairness, on account of the fairly off topic nature of the question, I wanted to make it easy to ignore. However, you inadvertly answered some subset of the question.
[06:21] <twb> There are the ones that run on your laptop and workstation, which just send all mail to mail.example.net.
[06:21] <twb> Then there are the ones that run on mail.example.net (the hubs/smarthosts).
[06:21] <Nonpython> It is a hub.
[06:22] <twb> I don't know enough about smarthosts to help you
[06:22] <twb> Other than the usual of looking at the logs, checking postconf, asking #postfix, etc.
[06:22] <kozmund> I've suddenly realized that the "does anyone" thing wasn't aimed at me. I'm going to go hide under a car.
[06:38] <twb> kozmund: er, it was.
[06:39] <twb> kozmund: "experience" is vague as all hell.  What do you ACTUALLY want to know?
[06:45] <kozmund> What I was going for was whether anyone had had any experience with greens vs. black that violated the general narritive. As in, people with specific usage scenarios that had no performance hit from going blacks to greens, or horror stories about the 2tb blacks.
[06:46] <bilalakhtar> jturek: thanks, IT WORKED! The init.d script has a bug, which shows the wrong status. But I can confirm through other ways that exim is NOT running.
[06:50] <kozmund> Which is to say, I was looking to see if there was a person that would jump at the chance to disabuse me of the prevaling notion with their horror story. But yes. Since no one jumped up to tar the name of caviar blacks, I'll take that as the very, very, very last bit of my due diligence before buying a couple dozen.
[06:52] <twb> kozmund: you could always buy just one to begin with, and throw bonnie++ at it
[07:02] <Ian__> Hello .. I have a mail loops back to myself error - Does any 1 know anything about that ??
[07:02] <MrPancake> Ian__: Yes.
[07:03] <Ian__> I am running dovecot, IMAP on Ubuntu 10.04
[07:03] <MrPancake> 'Mail loops back to myself' means that your Postfix wanted to send out the mail to the internet but then discovered that the DNS says your mail server should be responsible. Most likely you forgot to list your domain in mydestination or virtual_(alias|mailbox)_domains
[07:04] <Ian__> In what file .. the postfix.conf
[07:05] <MrPancake> main.cf
[07:07] <twb> MrPancake: nice catch
[07:07] <MrPancake> Yup. :-)
[07:09] <Ian__> Do I alter this line ?? alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases or something else
[07:11] <Ian__> mydestination has my domain name ... eg domain.com.au
[08:10] <Ian__> hello .. Im getting a mail loops back to myself error ... dont know Y .. everythign else works except cannot get mail from external to the server
[08:17] <twb> Ian__: did you try #postfix?
[08:21] <Ian__> not sure .. I checked the configuration file .. but I may have to download it .. dont really know what Im doing .. just been doing alot of reading
[08:21] <Ian__> I just downloaded nmap to see what I had open
[08:25] <_ruben> grmbl .. quagga advertizes my ipv6 prefix just fine, but somehow decided to stop advertizing my ipv4 prefix, yet nothing changed that i know of and i dont see any weird stuff
[08:37] <AlexC_> morning
[08:38] <AlexC_> one of our servers here crashed yesterday morning, after looking at the stats it appears an application used a vast amount of memory (all of it, forcing into swap) and resulted in a restart. Is there anyway to find out what application this may have been?
[08:54] <folke> Hi, whats you thougts about LVM on VMware guests?
[08:55] <twb> You mean using an LV as the block device for the VM?
[08:57] <folke> twb: Yes, it would be nice to resize disks online.
[08:58] <twb> I don't think vmware supports that.
[08:58] <binBASH> hi sh1ny!
[08:58] <folke> twb: Ah sorry.. Not a block device, I meant on the vm's filesystem
[08:59] <twb> LVM doesn't allow you to resize *disks* online.
[08:59] <sh1ny> hey binBASH ! :)
[08:59] <narfnarfnarf> my virtual server provider tells me that there are problems with upstart and xen and they cannot offer 10.04 because of that. anyone can confirm that?
[08:59] <twb> You probably want virtio, but I doubt vmware supports that, either.
[09:00] <twb> narfnarfnarf: certainly they'll fight, but I expect someone has solved the problem already
[09:01] <folke> twb: Humm, ok.. Perhaps I mixing apples and pears here :)
[09:03] <folke> The disks is resized in vmware, and then it's possible to resize (extend) the vg and lv. And at the other end extend ext4?
[09:04] <folke> Without lvm it's possible, but you need to force a resync of scsci devices.. (not the most fun way to go on a live system) :)
[09:05] <_ruben> a scsi rescan would be needed in either case
[09:06] <twb> folke: how would the guest know that vmware has resized the underlying block device?
[09:07] <folke> twb: as _ruben said.. A scsi rescan..
[09:07] <binBASH> Hi, I try to clone a virtual machine using virt-manager, however it doesn't let me create a new disk. It says it has no write access. However I connected to the server as root. Someone knows what could be wrong?
[09:07] <folke> But, it was only an Idea :)
[09:08] <twb> You can initiate one while the root filesystem is *on* that scsi bus?
[09:08] <twb> I mean, if you can, great.  I had no idea you could.
[09:09] <folke> I think you can force one.. We messed with it for some time ago, just for phun...
[09:10] <folke> It was on 8.04, and then I decided to not use lvm beq I am no big fan of lilo anymore.. But I just started to install a 10.04 so I thougt about it again :)
[09:11] <twb> Shrug.
[09:11] <twb> Seems to me like a better solution would be to use jails instead of VMs
[09:11] <twb> Unless you actually need a different kernel in the guests
[09:12] <folke> twb: There is no actual need to do it online. But it would be pretty nifty to have the possible :)
[09:56] <lambrecht> mornin
[10:39] <mwd> twb: Now, with blacklisting vga16fb 1440x900 is working fine :)
[10:40] <twb> Excellent
[10:40] <twb> mwd: did you also unblacklist vesafb?
[10:40] <mwd> Yes
[10:41] <mwd> Thanks :)
[10:41] <twb> mwd: please cat /sys/class/graphics/fb0/virtual_size, and tell me what's there
[10:54] <mwd> twb: 1440,900
[10:55] <twb> I'm impressed.
[10:55] <twb> And /sys/class/graphics/fb0/name says "vesafb"?
[10:56] <mwd> twb: No, VESA VGA
[10:56] <twb> OK
[11:34] <kulinshah> Hi
[11:34] <kulinshah> is there a set of rules I should follow before asking questions related to ubuntu server
[11:37] <screen-x> !guidelines | kulinshah
[11:37] <kulinshah> I am setting up a mail server using ubuntu 9.10 karmic koala for the first time ever, what  I have done so far is I have installed the server, installed gnome desktop on it, installed webmin on it and installed postfix
[11:38] <kulinshah> I am stuck now, I dont have a static IP address and dont want to purchase one till I can fully check the functionality of the server
[11:38] <kulinshah> !guidelines
[11:39] <cloakable> o.o
[11:40] <cloakable> gnome desktop on a server... D:
[11:41] <screen-x> kulinshah: I'd go with postfixadmin rather than webmin
[11:41] <kulinshah> it helps me because then I can browse and use commands at the same time instead of running between two pcs
[11:41] <AlexC_> Morning
[11:42] <kulinshah> screen-x.. I tried installig postfixadmin but I was not able to do so successfully
[11:42] <AlexC_> if I edit /etc/bash.bashrc file, what happens when Bash package is upgraded? Will it overwrite my changes, merges in changes (if so, what if the merge conflicts), not touch it?
[11:43] <cemc> AlexC_: it should ask you AFAIK
[11:43] <screen-x> kulinshah: no-ip or dyndns may be able to help your testing without a static ip
[11:43] <AlexC_> cemc: ok
[11:44] <cemc> AlexC_: I'm keeping my changes at the bottom of the file, and when it asks I say install the package maintainers version then edit it and put my changes back
[11:45] <kulinshah> screen-x: thanks, is no-ip or dyndns a website ?
[11:45] <AlexC_> cemc: I shall do the same then :)
[11:47] <screen-x> kulinshah: yes and a service. They allow a dns entry to point to a machine that doesn't have a satic ip
[11:47] <kulinshah> thanks
[11:52] <xperia> hello to all i have a nasyt problem. have a external usbdisk with a ext2 partition mounted on /dev/sdb2.. for some strange reason i get this error here "Stale NFS file handle" how can i fix it ? any solutions ?
[12:07] <kulinshah> screen-x: I am a little confused, I went over and created an account with no-ip, now it wants me to setup a dns host, how will I use that host to setup my postfix / ubuntu mail server
[12:10] <kulinshah> also should I use DNS Host, or DNS Host round robin or DNS Alias as an option
[12:24] <screen-x> kulinshah: create a dns host with no-ip, then install the noip2 package
[12:26] <JanC> mailserver on a dynamic IP?
[12:27] <screen-x> JanC: just for testing :)
[12:27] <kulinshah> screen-x: I did just that thanks, I was wondering about the next steps
[12:27] <kulinshah> JanC: yes I am installing a mailserver for the first time
[12:32] <screen-x> kulinshah: you need to follow a mail server guide/tutorial, maybe one of these links..
[12:32] <screen-x> !mailserver > kulinshah
[12:33] <kulinshah> screen-x: thanks, I will try them
[12:52] <kulinshah> screen-x: I have postfix installed now, where should I use my no-ip address in the configuration part
[12:53] <screen-x> off the top of my head, myhostname and mydestination
[12:55] <screen-x> remember you'll need mx records
[13:10] <kulinshah> screen-x: can i setup mx records using no-ip ?
[13:13] <screen-x> kulinshah: yes, in the "add a host" form from no-ip, there is an option for mx-records
[13:13] <screen-x> actually mx record, as the free version only lets you specify one
[13:14] <kulinshah> so in that field should i use my no-ip address which I have created for e.g. iastron.sytes.net
[13:14] <cloakable> You don't need an mx record for email if your mailserver is on the same ip as your domain.
[13:15] <kulinshah> ok
[13:15] <cloakable> mx is so you can say 'mail for domain.com should be sent to mail.domain.com'
[13:16] <cloakable> if the domain.com mailserver is sat on the domain.com ip, no mx is needed.
[13:17] <kulinshah> cloakable: you mean to say that since I am using a no-ip address which is pointing to myhostname I dont need mx records
[13:17] <AlexC_> you should always have an MX record if you intend on having email
[13:17] <kulinshah> hmm
[13:18] <cloakable> AlexC_: Never needed one, and it's optional.
[13:19] <cloakable> AlexC_: It's good practice for larger domains, where you have multiple mailservers sure. But this is a home email server. how many mailservers is he going to run? :P
[13:20] <AlexC_> it's good practice for all domains, you're saving another DNS lookup and relying on software implementing RFC5321 correctly to fall back to A record if there is no MX
[13:21] <cloakable> And most of it does. I don't get any spam though. Isn't that odd?
[13:21] <kulinshah> cloakable: actually none, this is just a test mail server to clear my fundamentals, I am new to linux and am trying to learn things the practical way, however, if I consider AlexC_'s point of view I feel it would be best to know how to setup mx records as it would come in handy if I were to grow this to a full scale server
[13:21] <cloakable> Perhaps spammers don't implement RFC5321 :D
[13:23] <JanC> cloakable: do you actually use that domain for public mail?  ;)
[13:24] <cloakable> JanC: Yup
[13:24] <ScottK> cloakable: Relying on the A record fallback is not considered a best practice.  It may work, but it's not the best way to do it.
[13:24] <cloakable> JanC: I reliably get mail from other mailservers including gmail, hotmail, and yahoo.
[13:24] <ScottK> It actually came very close to being removed from 5321 and the IETF never like to deprecate anything.
[13:25] <cloakable> Mmmm.
[13:26] <JanC> let's say it's something you SHOULD but not MUST use (yet)
[13:26] <cloakable> Mmmm.
[13:26] <cloakable> Still, it works, and keeps my DNS simple :)
[13:26] <cloakable> One A record and a CNAME
[13:27] <JanC> as long as your mail domain isn't the CNAME...  ;)
[13:28] <cloakable> Nope :)
[13:29] <AlexC_> kulinshah: yes I would do it the correct way and an MX, learn how it works etc
[13:29] <cloakable> cname is for *.domain.com :)
[13:29] <cloakable> To domain.com :D
[13:29] <AlexC_> why?
[13:30] <cloakable> Apache2 virtualhosts.
[13:30] <cloakable> I don't need to touch my domain, and can easily setup a new site at <site>.domain.com :)
[13:31] <AlexC_> lazy admin is lazy
[13:32] <cloakable> Hell yes :D
[13:32] <RoyK^> http://xkcd.com/742/ lol
[13:32] <cloakable> Why do you think I use Linux? :P
[13:32] <jpds> cloakable: Sounds like that would be... slow.
[13:32] <kulinshah> AlexC_: should I reconfigure postfix with the new no-ip subdomain, since it is not the actual domain I intend to use but to test this server I have to use the no-ip domain
[13:33] <cloakable> AlexC_: If I wanted to babysit a server I'd install windows on it ;)
[13:33] <jpds> cloakable: Considering you have to do two DNS queries instead of one.
[13:34] <cloakable> jpds: I have 1.75Mbit/s up. You think DNS is the bottleneck? :P
[13:34] <AlexC_> cloakable: then you're doing server admin wrong
[13:34] <AlexC_> kulinshah: depends how you mean by reconfigure. I'm at work currently but I'd suggest #postfix
[13:35] <cloakable> AlexC_: And yet, the server is not broken :P
[13:35] <JanC> cloakable: learn the difference between latency & speed  ;)
[13:35] <JanC> transmission speed
[13:36] <cloakable> JanC: I'm hosting on a home broadband connection :P
[13:36] <cloakable> And now I'm going for lunch :)
[13:37] <JanC> DNS packets are so small it might be as fast (or sometimes faster) on a PSTN dial-up account as on your home broadband...
[13:43] <smoser> cybrocop, here now
[13:46] <ScottK> JanC: The performance impact of multiple DNS queries in this case is generally driven by latency, not bandwidth.
[13:47] <JanC> ScottK: that's what I mean, and as dial-up often has lower latency than e.g. cable internet... (at least here in .be ;) )
[13:48] <ScottK> Ah.
[13:48] <smoser> ttx, ping
[13:48] <tyska_> hi guys
[13:48] <ttx> smoser: yo
[13:48] <tyska_> someone can help me with ubuntu enterprise cloud???
[13:48] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/566792
[13:48] <ttx> !ask | tyska_
[13:48] <smoser> i'd like to have some Euca attention to that.
[13:49] <smoser> (ie, the call today)
[13:49] <ttx> smoser: planning to attend the call today ?
[13:49] <smoser> i can
[13:49] <tyska_> ok sorry
[13:49] <ttx> smoser: wfm
[13:49] <ttx> smoser: ask jpugh to add it to the agenda
[13:49] <kulinshah> s!topic
[13:49] <tyska_> my instances dont have Internet access, my cloud is configured in MANAGED-NOVLAN
[13:50] <kulinshah> !topic
[13:50] <tyska_> what is wrong?
[13:50] <ttx> tyska_: does the CC/CLC have access to Internet ?
[13:50] <tyska_> yeah
[13:51] <tyska_> in fact, i already saw what's the problem, if i change the order of some rules on the IPTABLE of cc, the instances reach the Internet
[13:52] <tyska_> but i need to reorder the rules for each created instance, i think something is not right, but dont know what!
[13:52] <ttx> tyska_: you should file a bug, there might be a general issue there
[13:52] <ttx> is it using a 10.04 UEC/Eucalyptus ?
[13:53] <tyska_> no, 9.10
[13:53] <ttx> tyska_: Any chance you could try on 10.04 ? Lots of bugs have been fixed there
[13:54] <tyska_> ttx: then, there is no another way =( I will do this. Thanks! ;)
[14:16] <zul> SpamapS_: ping when you are awake
[14:20] <smoser> http://ubuntu-smoser.blogspot.com/2010/05/easily-test-or-demo-ubuntu-enterprise.html
[15:16] <iotashan> OMG, it took me days to find this darn page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EC2Vmbuilder
[15:20] <SpamapS_> zul: awake, wassup
[15:20] <zul> SpamapS_: i reviewed th patch and got some nitpicking for you
[15:20] <SpamapS_> zul: you don't like me fixing 2 bugs in 1 do you? ;)
[15:21] <zul> SpamapS: nope its not that...gimme a sec
[15:21] <SpamapS> oh, excellent.
[15:33] <SpamapS> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CloudLoadbalancingSpec  as my first ubuntu spec, I fully expect it will be ripped to shreds. Criticisms please. :)
[15:44] <mwd> Hi, under ubuntu server 10.04, my USB-Stick does not show up under /media/Corsair
[15:45] <mwd> Where can I find it?
[15:49] <screen-x> mwd: mount will show  you where its mounted (if it is) blkid will tell you it's device name, so you can mount it if necessary.
[15:50] <mwd> I found the problem; By default, disk drives do not automount in Ubuntu Server Edition
[15:51] <mwd> screen-x: Thanks
[16:14] <zul> ttx: 3.5.3 should be up today
[16:35] <celeborn999> i'm a little confused about the duplicity backup program...when you do a full backup rather than the default incremental, it deletes the existing backup in the target location, right? so what's the difference between a full backup every week and incrementals in between, and just incrementals forever?
[16:37] <celeborn999> this helped: http://serverfault.com/questions/120520/duplicity-full-backup-lifetime-and-efficiency
[16:45] <MrChris> hello all
[16:46] <mwd> "ufw allow 69/upd" allows connection from "any" to UDP Port 69. I want to add "from 192.168.255.0/24" but ufw says "wrong numbers of arguments"
[16:48] <RoyK^> mwd: from http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=823741 sudo ufw deny from 10.0.0.1/24 to any port 22
[16:48] <RoyK^> just add /udp after the port
[16:49] <RoyK^> also, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fubuntuforums.org%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D823741 is nice
[16:49] <RoyK^> erm - wrong lmgfy :þ
[16:56] <MrChris> I need some help
[16:56] <MrChris> i need the C compiler.
[16:57] <RoyK^> gcc?
[16:57] <RoyK^> shouldn't be too hard  to install that
[16:57] <MrChris> i try to install build-essential, which will give me C, but my server says: Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "build-essential"
[16:58] <RoyK> which distro version?
[16:58] <mwd> RoyK: I want to allow Port 69/UDP on the ubuntu-server from the ip-range 192.168.255.0/24
[16:58] <MrChris> 10.04 LTS
[16:59] <mwd> ufw allow 69/udp does work, but it allows from "any" not a specific range
[16:59] <mwd> So, I have tried: ufw allow from 192.168.255.0/24 to 69/upd
[17:00] <MrChris> mwd: are you trying to use a ubuntu server as a firewall?
[17:00] <mwd> Then: ufw allow proto udp from 192.168.255.0/24 to port 69
[17:00] <mwd> And: ufw allow 69/upd from 192.168.255.0/24
[17:00] <mwd> No success
[17:00] <mwd> MrChris: No
[17:00] <MrChris> mwd: are you trying to use a ubuntu server as a firewall?
[17:01] <mwd> My default ri
[17:01] <MrChris> well are you trying to forward ports?
[17:01] <mwd> MrVhris: No
[17:01] <MrChris> RoyK: what do you think about my issue?
[17:01] <RoyK> mwd: ufw allow to 0.0.0.0 from 81.191.180.0/24 port 69 proto udp
[17:02] <UnderSampled> Hello
[17:02] <RoyK> MrChris: I have 'build-essential' installed on my 10.04 box
[17:03] <MrChris> how do i change the repo addresses?
[17:03] <RoyK> MrChris: see /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:04] <UnderSampled> I am contemplating using Amazon EC2 with Ubuntu  machine images. before I do that, I was going to test a setup in a local virtual machine. the question is: do I install normal Ubuntu Server, or do I install Ubuntu Enterprise Cloud?
[17:04] <JohnA> Can somebody explain to me where to put my ssl certs? I ask only because in the postfix setup its certs are kept in /etc/postfix/sasl. As I use the same certs for both apache I seem to constantly overwiting them.
[17:05] <MrChris> UnderSampled: Ubuntu Server
[17:05] <UnderSampled> MrChris: ok. Thanks
[17:05] <mwd> RoyK: "from 81.191.180.0/24 port 69 proto udp" does not work
[17:06] <RoyK> add 'to 0.0.0.0' as I said
[17:06] <RoyK> before from
[17:06] <RoyK> it should be there implicitly, but there might be some bugs around
[17:10] <celeborn999> JohnA: in my postfix conf, my cert is stored where this variable points: smtpd_tls_cert_file
[17:12] <RoyK> JohnA: /etc/ssl iirc
[17:13] <mwd> One step further: "ufw allow from 192.168.255.0/24 to any port 69" allows connections from the correct ip-range to any port 69. But I only want to allow udp, not any
[17:14] <celeborn999> mwd: ...allow proto udp from...
[17:14] <RoyK> proto udp
[17:14] <RoyK> mwd: it shouldn't matter much, though, unless you have some cheesy things running on 69/tcp
[17:15] <celeborn999> mwd: not to be "that guy", but the syntax is laid out in the ufw manpage
[17:15] <RoyK> step one in securing a server: stop unneeded services
[17:15] <JohnA> That where I was expecting, but taking a look at the init script for postfix it copies certs from /etc/postfix/sasl to /etc/ssl I am not sure what will happen if the certs are not in sasl?
[17:15] <RoyK> and anything <= 1024 will need to be started as root anyway, so don't worry
[17:16] <celeborn999> JohnA: not sure what you're talking about but my /etc/postfix/sasl is empty and i have no trouble
[17:17] <JohnA> celeborn999: Ok, thats a little reassuring.
[17:18] <celeborn999> JohnA: on the other hand, i can't find "sasl" anywhere in /etc/init.d/postfix so maybe your postfix is old or weird or customized
[17:20] <ScottK> If you want to reliable set up postfix with smtp auth, the Ubuntu Server Guide has good documentation.
[17:20] <mwd> "ufw allow proto upd from 192.168.255.0/24 to port 69" does not work
[17:21] <RoyK> add proto udp at the end
[17:21] <RoyK> well, move it to the end
[17:21] <celeborn999> mwd: are you actually typing "upd"
[17:21] <celeborn999> it won't like that
[17:22] <RoyK> root@door:~# ufw allow from 1.2.3.4 to any port 69 proto udp
[17:22] <RoyK> Rule added
[17:24] <mwd> RoyK: Thanks so much, the rule is added :)
[17:25] <RoyK> mwd: as I said above, it doesn't matter much that you don't allow for 69/tcp - it's hardly in use
[17:28] <JohnA> celeborn999: Sorry I was looking at the bit where it copies the TLS certs. the docs are little confusing as they say that Postfix is run chrooted, however I cannot find any evidence of chrooting. I think I am shying from mirages.
[17:29] <celeborn999> JohnA: yeah i think chroot is an option but i didn't activate it and it's happily running as root
[17:30] <celeborn999> JohnA: i went through a new postfix install the other day as a total newbie and it was definitely touch and go, i would only recommend using www.postfix.org as your source of info because the random tutorials online are really hit and miss
[17:31] <ScottK> celeborn999: There are some Debian/Ubuntu specific changes, to the official Ubuntu Server Guide is even better.
[17:31]  * SpamapS waits patiently for chroots to download and ponders going to buy a 1TB USB drive to mirror archive.us.ubuntu.com on ...
[17:31] <UnderSampled> What is the "Virtual Machine host" option durring install?
[17:31] <ScottK> JohnA: If the server guide is confusing, talk to sommer about it and he can get it fixed once he understands what the confusion is.
[17:33] <smoser> UnderSampled, i'm not certain, but my guess is it gets you libvirt and kvm
[17:33] <celeborn999> ScottK: the server guide is decent but it doesn't tell the whole story, for example at the top there is the line that to "To configure the mailbox format for Maildir:" use "sudo postconf -e 'home_mailbox = Maildir/'" but it doesn't mention that the trick is that postfix knows it's Maildir format because of the trailing /. so if you mistyped it in you could run around like crazy wondering why your box is in mbox format
[17:33] <UnderSampled> smoser: what are those?
[17:34] <smoser> packages that implement virtualization
[17:34] <ScottK> celeborn999: That's the sort of thing that I think sommer would want to know about.
[17:34] <smoser> if you want to use the host you're installing to do virtualization (ie, run other virtual hosts inside it) then you should instal lit.
[17:34] <UnderSampled> ok
[17:34] <UnderSampled> thanks
[17:34] <UnderSampled> so It's not the other way around
[17:35] <UnderSampled> (in a virtual machine)
[17:35] <celeborn999> ScottK: i know you want to make the guide better but i don't think postfix/dovecot/email in general lends itself well to tutorials. there are so many different branches you can take that there's no way the guide can cover it all, whereas if you actually learn the basics at postfix.org you can figure it out yousrelf.
[17:35] <ScottK> celeborn999: Certainly.  We try to document one reasonable way to do common tasks.
[17:36] <ScottK> We can't and don't attempt to document all possible variations.
[17:36] <ScottK> OTOH, if people use the approach in the server guide, when they have problems, it's a lot easier to help them here.
[17:37] <celeborn999> in contrast though, the people at #postfix are most unhappy with tutorials and want you to use the postfix.org site
[17:38] <JohnA> I have setup an email stack before, on fedora, It would be nice to know what has been changed in Ubuntu/Debian Postfix and why. i also find the SMTPD restrictions to be a bit sparse. Hos do i change the logging setup, I really don't need 5 log files some of which duplicate each other. No setup for virtual domains ... I could go on.
[17:40] <ScottK> JohnA: The two biggest changes is that we chroot by default and that the binary packages are split so if you want postgresql support, you don't have to rebuild the package for it, you just install postfix-pgsql.
[17:40] <ScottK> (as an example)
[17:41] <ScottK> Fundamentally, the Debian/Ubuntu package archives are much more comprehensive than Fedora/RH/Centos so you can probably set up your entire system without needing any third party repositories.
[17:42] <celeborn999> ScottK: can you clarify what chrooting looks like? on my system i see /usr/lib/postfix/master running as root
[17:44] <ScottK> celeborn999: That's normal.
[17:44] <ScottK> Look in /etc/postfix/master.cf and you'll see chroot turned on for many processes.
[17:44] <celeborn999> ScottK: yeah i see that the comment says chroot is the default and almost nothing turns it off
[17:45] <ScottK> The chrooted processes can only see what's inside /var/spool/postfix
[17:45] <JohnA> ScottK: I agree that the ability to dynamicaly load modules is great. On the other hand I think chroot is no worth much these days, I suspect that either apparo=mor or selinux is a better answer.
[17:46] <ScottK> Certainly (apparmor/selinux is better)
[17:46] <ScottK> Doing an apparmor profile is on the TODO, but low priority since postfix has an excellent security history.
[17:47] <ScottK> As a mail admin the ability to apt-get install anything I need is probably the most important.
[17:48] <celeborn999> the repositories are reason #1 i like ubuntu
[17:49] <JohnA> ScottK: i agree apt seems to be a better bet than yum, although I wonder if my problem was not yum but the fact that fedora is  too dynamic and centos to slow.
[17:49]  * ScottK would guess both.
[17:50] <JohnA> ScottK: agreed
[17:50] <JohnA> ScottK: so now I have to translate my old email setup over to ubuntu, oh what fun.
[17:51] <ScottK> On the desktop, I use KDE and I always refer to Fedora as the distro that did such a great job with KDE4 that they convince Linux to switch to Gnome.
[17:51] <ScottK> Linux/Linux
[17:51] <ScottK> Ah.
[17:51] <ScottK> x/s
[17:54] <JohnA> ScottK: I came from the windows world and started with mandrake/kde, i didn't quite know what had hit me talk about overblown. Switched to gnome, ah what a relief. Still not perfect but
[17:55] <ScottK> Well we have choices.  That's one of the beauties of FOSS.  Every time I look at Gnome, it just hurts.
[17:59] <JohnA> ScottK: i find its simplicity helpful. KDE I found to be just too busy. i am currently using fluxbox/mc on the server useful during setup, once that done i will remove. i might even try it for my working desktop.
[18:37] <vilhelm> having trouble configuring my bind9 service
[18:37] <vilhelm> http://pastebin.com/d5wMdx5t
[18:37] <vilhelm> i've created a zone file which I think is the problem
[18:38] <vilhelm> as you can see, I don't get an IP handed back to me when I try to query my DNS server
[18:41] <SpamapS> vilhelm: hm
[18:41] <vilhelm> first time I'm labbing with bind so I'm a total noob
[18:41] <SpamapS> vilhelm: anything in daemon.log?
[18:42] <SpamapS> Honestly, I despise bind having used tinydns for the last few years.. but usually stuff like this is pretty straight forward. :)
[18:43] <vilhelm> May 20 19:41:44 anonymous named[8105]: reloading configuration succeeded
[18:43] <vilhelm> May 20 19:41:44 anonymous named[8105]: zone example.com/IN: NS 'ns.example.com.example.com' has no address records (A or AAAA)
[18:43] <vilhelm> May 20 19:41:44 anonymous named[8105]: zone example.com/IN: not loaded due to errors.
[18:43] <vilhelm> aah that's a mess
[18:44] <SpamapS> indeed
[18:44] <SpamapS> Probably formatting of the file is off somewhere
[18:45] <SpamapS> vilhelm: maybe add a line at the top   $ORIGIN .
[18:45] <SpamapS> that makes things simpler
[18:45] <SpamapS> and if I understand it correctly (likely not) its required to use short names
[18:45] <vilhelm> hmm ok
[18:45] <vilhelm> that is:  "$ORIGIN ."
[18:45] <vilhelm> or just $ORIGIN
[18:46] <apctr> hi all how to start ant service in 9.10 server edition
[18:46] <SpamapS> apctr: as far as I know, ant isn't a service.. its a java build program. Are we thinking of two different things?
[18:46] <SpamapS> vilhelm: well the way you have it formatted with the @ it shouldn't matter actually
[18:47] <vilhelm> ok :/
[18:48] <SpamapS> vilhelm: but *after* the SOA .. maybe like this: http://pastebin.com/btMZfwQJ
[18:48]  * SpamapS really.. really things its time we ditched hand-editing of bind zone files
[18:49]  * SpamapS also thinks thinks is better with k than g
[18:49] <apctr> ok please tell me, how to set java _home variable in it beacause as far as i know it may cause the basic problem?..
[18:50] <SpamapS> apctr: I don't know much about ant's inner workings. What makes you think you need to set JAVA_HOME?
[18:52] <cloakable> SpamapS: :P
[18:52] <cloakable> SpamapS: True. I don't hand edit, I use vim ;)
[18:53] <SpamapS> cloakable: 6 years on tinydns has taught me that zone files are a ridiculous anachronism and need to be hidden, if not eliminated. :)
[18:53] <vilhelm> gah still now working
[18:54] <SpamapS> zone files: protocol on disk. tinydns: one line per actual thing you want to make an address for.
[18:54] <apctr> SpamapS: because it is causing error showing that JAVA_HOME variable is not set
[18:54] <SpamapS> unfortunately, tinydns also carries the djb seal of anger.
[18:55] <SpamapS> vilhelm: still error about no A records? maybe cloakable can help. :)
[18:55] <cloakable> heh
[18:56] <vilhelm> I got it working when I copy pasted the zone file from the ubuntu help documentation
[18:56] <vilhelm> just gotta figure out why now :(
[18:56] <SpamapS> vilhelm: this one is more like my own personal zone files (the ones I haven't moved off bind): http://pastebin.com/qfXekLzg
[18:57] <vilhelm> ok, well mine don't have the $ORIGIN at all anymore
[18:58] <vilhelm> what does the @ entry mean?
[18:58] <SpamapS> yeah, I don't even understand it fully. I think I might, but really, its one of those things I don't want to use any brain storage or processing time for anymore.
[18:59] <SpamapS> @, I believe, is the zone from the named.conf
[18:59] <vilhelm> hehe
[18:59]  * vilhelm sighs
[18:59] <vilhelm> i'm going to buy myself a book about this and read it through
[18:59]  * SpamapS returns to spec writing
[19:14] <SpamapS> ugh, why is wiki.ubuntu.com so damn slow
[19:15] <RoyK> SpamapS: any particular page? seems quick enough from here.....
[19:16] <SpamapS> RoyK: could be that I'm building chroots and saturating all of my 6 down 1 up connection
[19:18] <RoyK> hehehe
[19:18] <RoyK> sounds reasonable
[19:33] <ccheney> is there a way to make vmbuilder use an alternate tmp dir, it seems --tmp is invalid for use with vmbuilder kvm ubuntu
[19:35] <xperia> hello to all. i have with my external disk (ext2 partition) "/dev/sdb2" a strange problem. can not anymore delete any files ! it print allways this Error message here. "rm: cannot remove "test.txt" Stale NFS file handle". how can i fix this Problem ?
[19:35] <pmatulis> ccheney: right there is a bug on that one.  don't know of a workaround
[19:35] <pmatulis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vm-builder/+bug/536940
[19:35] <ccheney> pmatulis: ok
[19:35] <pmatulis> ccheney: actually, no, that's for tmpfs
[19:35] <ccheney> luckily i have plenty of space on root
[19:35] <ccheney> oh ok
[19:36] <ccheney> brb, stupid xchat color is broken all black
[19:36] <pmatulis> ccheney: use irssi?
[19:36] <ccheney> i have irssi also but need xchat for alerts
[19:51] <jbrouhard> Does anyone know if there's a Ubuntu-ized version of Fedora Directory server, or some kind of authentication system ?
[20:04] <ccheney> is vmbuilder supposed to work? i'm hitting this issue now http://pastebin.com/HfXHyBi8
[20:08] <SpamapS> jbrouhard: Ubuntu Server includes openldap.. not sure what Fedora Directory server is.. probably just a nice bow on OpenLDAP.
[20:08] <SpamapS> ah no its 389.. have heard of this before..
[20:10] <SpamapS> jbrouhard: I recall it being discussed on the mailing list that 389 or "fedora directory server" should be packaged. I don't think its done yet tho.
[20:11] <jbrouhard> *nods*
[20:11] <jbrouhard> Well found Apache Directory Server
[20:11] <jbrouhard> which is nothing more than LDAP authentication wrapped with java
[20:12] <SpamapS> Honestly, maybe I just don't get it, but I really dislike LDAP for auth.
[20:12] <SpamapS> seems outdated and complicated where something simple would suffice
[20:13] <jbrouhard> *chuckles*
[20:13] <jbrouhard> no one's bothered to build a replacement
[20:14] <SpamapS> Once MS threw their weight behind it.. all hope was lost ;)
[20:15] <jbrouhard> LOL
[20:15] <jbrouhard> MS made their own bastardized version of LDAP honestly
[20:15] <jbrouhard> and TBQH, their Active Directory structure actually works, even tho their implementation of DNS is just retarded
[20:17] <SpamapS> Their LDAP is interoperable fully..
[20:18] <SpamapS> but thats the problem
[20:18] <SpamapS> the schemas are so wide open
[20:20] <ccheney> anyone know what the standard way to build a vm is for kvm? is it vmbuilder or something else?
[20:30] <zul> mdeslaur: ping
[20:30] <zul> ccheney: vmbuilder
[20:30] <zul> ccheney: i think you might have to install it from soren's bzr tree
[20:30] <ccheney> ccheney: ok
[20:30] <ccheney> er
[20:30] <ccheney> zul: ok, i was using the lucid version but it seems to not like me
[20:31] <zul> ccheney: it doesnt like *anyone* so you arent alone
[20:31] <mdeslaur> zul: what's up?
[20:31] <ChmEarl> ccheney, easiest way to build a kvm guest is via cmdline
[20:32] <zul> mdeslaur: remember that mysql home directory patch you had a very long time ago....umm...do you still have it?
[20:32] <mdeslaur> ahhhhhhhhhhhh
[20:32] <mdeslaur> ahhhh
[20:32] <mdeslaur> hold on
[20:32] <zul> mdeslaur: thanks
[20:32] <ChmEarl> ccheney, write out your qemu params then switch over to kvm accel
[20:33] <ccheney> ChmEarl: so vmbuilder qemu ubuntu ?
[20:33] <ccheney> hmm nm thats not an option
[20:34] <ChmEarl> ccheney, man qemu
[20:34] <maruen> Hi all, I need some help......I have a server that starts mysql whenever the server reboots...I need now to create a script that after mysql is initiaded runs jboss.....it needs to be in this order
[20:34] <ccheney> zul: is soren's tree under his user on LP?
[20:34] <maruen> anyone can help me on that?
[20:34] <zul> ccheney: lp
[20:35] <[AWE]> Hi there
[20:37] <[AWE]> How do grant write permissions to the /var/web directory I just created with sudo ?
[20:38] <zul> [AWE]: man chown
[20:43] <funkyHat> maruen: you could go about it 2 ways, either create an init script for jboss which depends on mysql, or write a script which runs the mysql init script and then once it's successfully started runs jboss
[20:44] <funkyHat> maruen: making an init script for jboss is probably a better solution
[20:44] <dominicdinada> where can someone set bandwidth limits in server again
[20:44] <maruen> funkyHat, for example , this init script should check if mysql is up then executes jboss
[20:45] <funkyHat> alternatively you could probably get away with starting jboss in /etc/rc.local - that runs after all the other init scripts are finished
[20:45] <ne7work> how I can see which program used my internet speed?
[20:45] <ne7work> please someone help me :(
[20:46] <ccheney> i can't seem to find a version of vmbuilder newer than what is in lucid
[20:47] <ccheney> newest i can find is jan 22 2010
[20:47] <funkyHat> maruen: do you want this to happen every time your system starts up, or just when you want jboss to start? Your inital question about disabling mysql's automatic startup seems to have confused me
[20:48] <maruen> funkyHat, I was thinking in disable the automaticall start of mysql and create a unique script to start both, but I think that not the better idea
[20:49] <ccheney> hmm i see the current version, not sure how i overlooked it earlier
[20:49] <ccheney> was released 3 days ago
[20:49] <funkyHat> maruen: yes, I suggest just adding something which launches jboss to /etc/rc.local
[20:51] <funkyHat> maruen: I've never used jboss so I don't know exactly how it works... how do you normally launch it?
[20:51] <maruen> funkyHat, for example add the script in  /etc/init.d/   and after that execute update-rc.d?
[20:51] <maruen> funkyHat, that way this script will be executed after mysql starts?
[20:52] <maruen> funkyHat, this is my only doubt
[20:52] <funkyHat> maruen: no, /etc/rc.local is a file, it's run at the end of multiuser runlevels. it's easier than writing a proper init script, but you can do that too if you want
[20:52] <funkyHat> maruen: /etc/rc.local is run after all of the other init scripts are finished
[20:53] <funkyHat> So yes, after mysql
[20:54] <maruen> funkyHat, thanks!!!
[20:54] <maruen> funkyHat, that solves my question
[20:54] <funkyHat> maruen: also you need to chmod the script to make it executable, otherwise it's ignored
[20:55] <funkyHat> And it runs as root so if you don't want to do that you'll have to use sudo -u
[20:55] <funkyHat> Or something
[20:55] <maruen> funkyHat, in the case I add a file and use update-rc.d
[20:58] <funkyHat> maruen: actually if you want to do that you'd probably be better off writing an upstart job for it as upstart has replaced sysVinit in Ubuntu
[20:58] <funkyHat> maruen: I've not written either type of script though so I don't think I'll be able to help much. upstart scripts are simpler though
[20:58] <maruen> funkyHat, I will write in /etc/rc.local
[20:58] <maruen> funkyHat, I think it's better
[20:59] <funkyHat> Definitely less work ⢁)
[20:59] <maruen> funkyHat, yeap
[21:14] <ccheney> anyone happen to know how to reach kirkland, i can't reach him on irc/phone/email :-\
[21:16] <guntbert> ccheney: try to drop him a message on launchpad? he just fixed a bug in testdrive
[21:16] <ccheney> guntbert: ok
[21:17] <Nonpython> Does ubuntu's postfix support LDAP?
[21:17] <SpamapS> Suggests: procmail, postfix-mysql, postfix-pgsql, postfix-ldap, postfix-pcre, sasl2-bin, libsasl2-modules, resolvconf, postfix-cdb, mail-reader, ufw
[21:18] <SpamapS> Nonpython: looks like there's a postfix-ldap package for that.
[21:18]  * SpamapS has an idea for a spoof commercial...
[21:18] <Nonpython> There's a App for that.
[21:18] <SpamapS> "Need an ldap server? There's an app for that.."
[21:18] <SpamapS> :)
[21:18] <Nonpython> I am a ninja.
[21:18] <SpamapS> OUT OF MY MIND NINJA
[21:24] <ccheney> hmm is there a way to force teardown a loopback device
[21:24] <ccheney> vmbuilder seems to have eaten them all and losetup won't just delete them
[21:29] <ccheney> guess i'll have to just reboot again :-\
[21:38] <ccheney> soren: ping
[21:39] <ccheney> i see what is eating my loops
[21:42] <bogeyd6> what is the iscsi server package for ubuntu called?
[21:57] <kirkland> ccheney: i'm here now
[21:57] <kirkland> ccheney: late lunch
[21:57] <ccheney> ok
[22:36] <storrgie> hey guys, i got a machine that wont get an ip from my dhcp... and my dhcp works
[22:39] <MrSnakeOil> Hey guys... is there a draft of the 10.04 Server Guide anywhere? I'm looking for a 'whats new' in 10.04 server.
[22:49] <hggdh> MrSnakeOil: you can install the ubuntu-serverguide, I guess
[23:30] <Ian___> storrgie - 1. ifconfig   2. /etc/network/interfaces
[23:31] <Ian___> and /etc/init.d/networking restart
[23:34] <SpamapS> service networking restart is more appropriate
[23:34] <SpamapS> :)
[23:45] <_STF_> I have the configuration www<->router<->ubuntu-server<->Usb-Stick, now i want that friends of mine can use my internet connections, can chillispot help me?
[23:46] <SpamapS> _STF_: "www" means the internet?
[23:46] <_STF_> yes
[23:48] <_STF_> have you an idea?
[23:49] <JanC> _STF_: do you just want them to access the internet, or do you need to apply restrictions, etc.?
[23:49] <_STF_> i also want to apply restrictions
[23:50] <JanC> in that case some hotspot software like chillispot might be useful (I've never used it myself though)
[23:51] <SpamapS> JanC: good news on that drupal6 bug. :)
[23:52]  * SpamapS is Clint
[23:53] <_STF_> hm, okay
[23:54] <SpamapS> _STF_: I think your USB stick wifi adapter must be supported in AP mode
[23:55] <JanC> SpamapS: as mentioned in the bug report, #debian-ubuntu has been very useful for this
[23:55] <_STF_> how do i get out, if the installed device support it, (i think it do, i instaled it with the neede linux driver from ralink)
[23:56] <_STF_> the stick them self should be able to be used in AP
[23:56] <JanC> _STF_: I would never mention "ralink", "linux" and "support" in one sentence...  ;)
[23:56] <SpamapS> JanC: well its good to know that it will be made "all better" in debian. :)
[23:56] <_STF_> _D
[23:56] <_STF_> :D
[23:57] <JanC> well, IME it works on single-core & single-threaded CPUs, but how many of these are still for sale these days?  :-(
[23:58] <JanC> maybe it has improved somewhat since I last tried to fix it on someone's PC though
[23:59] <hggdh> zul: re. bug 445390 -- any updates?