[00:33] DrKenobi: agreed, and done. Thank you [00:38] hggdg, thank you! === BUGabundo_NCIS is now known as BUGabundo_Sleep === BUGabundo_Sleep is now known as BUGabundo_with === BUGabundo_with is now known as BUGabundo_gouki === atrus_ is now known as atrus [01:23] I've just reported this bug upstream, could someone set the status to Triage? https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-control-center/+bug/374231 [01:23] Launchpad bug 374231 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "can't change default file browser (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [01:30] Nautilus used to keep track of changes in files sizes and display them on the statusbar, didn't it? It doesn't look like it does that anymore. [01:30] Does anyone know why? [01:30] DrKenobi: done [01:40] mrand, thank you [02:07] is there a way to have ubuntu-bug use the beta lanuchpad server? [02:08] I'm getting reayd to do a demo and I don't want to spam. I can always just go to the next to last step [02:16] greg-g: I think you can use it on staging by 'env APPORT_STAGING=1 ubuntu-bug whadda-whadda [02:17] then you go to https://staging.launchpad.net to see your bug [02:19] cool [02:19] thanks hggdh [02:21] staging is not beta though just to be clear [02:39] good one, bdmurray, thanks for pointing this out :-) [03:42] ddecator: for the nautilius hook, did you close the bug from changelog? [03:44] ddecator: I don't see your branch anywhere :/ [03:51] micahg: if we're going with tags for the needs apport hook bugs, how do you suggest we go about it? [03:51] nigelb: needs-apport-hook? [03:51] nigelb: or just apport-hook [03:52] ok, then we routinely keep checking the list of bugs with thta tag? [03:53] nigelb: sounds like a plan :) [03:54] I'll just add some stuff I found helps in development and I'll write to ubnutu-devel :) [03:55] like symlinking the source_package.py file to ~/source_package.py so edits can be made real time without jumping aroud with permissions [03:59] nigelb: that sounds hackish [04:00] well, its better than playing with permissions in /usr/share/apport/package-hooks/ [04:00] nigelb: why is there a problem with the permissions? [04:01] because you can't write into that folder [04:01] nigelb: yes, but why do you need to? [04:01] when creating a new hook and testing it [04:01] nigelb: it should just be copied there manually to test [04:02] yeah, I used to do that, until I realized that you somone times need to make small small corrections [04:02] nigelb: sudo vi works nice :) [04:02] oh, yeah :D [04:02] so needs-apport-hook or apport-hook ? [04:03] nigelb: if you use apport-hook, it can be used for maintenance issues as well [04:03] ah, ok [04:03] I'll talk to jcastro to know what all avenues I have to puruse to get people hear abuot this initiative and we can go with it :) === jmgartner is now known as rackIT [04:55] nigelb: i referenced the bug in the change log, but i should be closed...i set it as fix committed (although looking back not sure if that should be done when it's committed or after it's been reviewed and accepted...) [04:55] it shouldn't* [04:56] ddecator: you did dch -i and then what did you do? [04:56] nigelb: added info into the changelog, then committed, then pushed to a personal branch, then requested a merge [04:57] you comitted with bzr commit? [04:57] yah [04:57] next time, use debcommit [04:57] oh, never even heard of debcommit o.o [04:57] that would like your branch to the bug [04:58] that would make your commit message = changelog entry [04:58] right [04:58] should i redo it or leave it for this time? [04:58] oh, wait, wrong merge requested I think [05:00] ? [05:00] hold on. even I've never used udd [05:01] well i didn't want to request a merge into the branch that pulls from upstream automatically, i requested a merge for the branch that has the debian folder with source_nautilus.py in it [05:04] ddecator: have you seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/Documentation ? [05:04] nigelb: nope. what part exactly should i look at? [05:04] first 4 [05:05] ah, that would have been helpful... [05:06] lol [05:07] nigelb: want me to start over following those directions? [05:08] ddecator: it would be nice, yes [05:08] plus thats th only way it would show up for sponsorship I suppose [05:09] nigelb: alright, will do. so ubuntu-sponsors for the reviewer? [05:09] dont do anything specific [05:09] it should happen automatically [05:09] ok, i'll let you know if i run into anything [05:13] nigelb: this is probably minor, but in the bzr branch name when i push to a person branch, should the numbers at the end be the bug number? [05:13] personal* [05:13] nope [05:13] date? [05:13] well, I dont think so [05:13] the wiki shows 12345 [05:14] you just have to give the branch a name [05:14] ok, so the exact format for that doesn't matter as much? [05:14] not really, make sure that its easily understable as to what it does [05:14] good deal [05:20] hey nigelb, ddecator :) [05:21] ah, i think i found the right branch... [05:22] nigelb: just to make sure i do this right, is lp:ubuntu/nautilus the one i should pull and work on? there are sever nautilus branches :\ [05:22] hey kermiac :) [05:22] ddecator: did you find out what was going on with the nondefault gconf in your hook mate? [05:23] kermiac: no, but pitti marked my bug as in progress so i'm hoping he knows [05:23] ddecator: ok :) [05:23] several* [05:23] why can't i type tonight? [05:25] ddecator: cirrect [05:25] *correct [05:25] even I can't type [05:25] nigelb: alright, thanks, didn't see that branch before, so i'll start from the beginning. at least after this is done i should get it right from now on :p [05:33] nigelb: the reviewer, by default, is ubuntu-branches [05:33] ddecator: hold on [05:34] Then you can use the link "Propose for merging into another branch", and then type in an explanation of your change in the "Initial Comment" box. Set the "Reviewer" to be either "ubuntu-sponsors". Lastly click "Propose Merge" in order to complete the process. [05:34] ahh, looks like you need to do it manually after all [05:34] so ubuntu-sponsors then? [05:34] yes [05:35] k [05:35] nigelb: should it always be that? [05:36] yesyep [05:36] oh grr [05:37] looks like you got the lucid sources [05:37] uh, that's not right... [05:37] or i got maverick and pushed to lucid [05:37] hhahha [05:38] ugh. ok, so push to maverick then? >.> [05:38] yeah [05:38] alright [05:38] you're making all the mistakes I made :D [05:38] nigelb: so make it maverick in the changelog entry too? [05:38] yes, definitely [05:39] I was getting there :D [05:39] alright, so then it'll be ubuntu1 instead of ubuntu2 yes? [05:39] or ubuntu2 still? [05:39] when you do a dch -i the version number should change [05:40] right, but even though i'm changing from lucid to maverick i just leave it as ubuntu2 since it's the same version number? [05:40] yea [05:40] ok [05:40] I strongly suspect that you got lucid soruces though [05:40] possibly. so repull and try again i suppose... [05:41] if you pulled lp:ubuntu/nautilius and got lucid, I gotta ask aronud if thats correct [05:42] well nothing in the changelog said maverick, but idk if they've made any changes for maverick yet. i'll specify maverick to be safe [05:42] yah, looks like it points to maverick [05:43] I *HATE* loggerhead [05:43] (the web interface to bzr) [05:43] yah, not the best looking thing, haha [05:43] speed, or ui, or something else? [05:43] its so slow [05:44] I've been trying to get to the changelog for sometime now [05:44] ah, finally! [05:44] ok, so you got maverick source and you pushed to lucid I suppose :D [05:44] lifeless: ui is nice, but wish it were faster [05:45] ok, so i'll repull the same thing, ha [05:45] lifeless: I can't complain though, its b0rking randomly less often now ;) [05:45] nigelb: so hooks i write should be for maverick if they have a branch for it? [05:46] ddecator: yep, you always fix stuff for the current development version [05:46] nigelb: ok...i'm going to have this down by the end of the night :p [05:46] unless something is seriously borked and you want to fix it in -proposed and have it end up in -updates [05:47] ddecator: if you want to take break and try tomorrow, thats ok too [05:47] its a lot of floundering around in the beginning. I did that too [05:50] nigelb: pfffft, take a break. good joke [05:53] alright, lets try this again [05:54] nigelb: that looks better :) [05:55] yay! [05:56] alright, i'll add the diff to the report... [05:56] ddecator: not really needed per se [05:56] nigelb: so just forget it? just following the wiki :p [05:58] ddecator: go ahea, sicne you didn't add a file its ok [05:58] nigelb: ? [05:58] ddecator: do it ;) [05:59] nigelb: haha, alright. i'm guessing it's not a big deal if it's a .diff instead of .debdiff? (i know this is nit-picky, but i'm trying to prevent causing any more bug spam from this :p) [06:00] nope [06:00] not in this caes [06:00] in what case would it matter? [06:00] an uploader can get source via udd and apply the diff [06:01] ah, so debdiff is generally preferred then? [06:01] not in this case [06:01] mostly they'd just merge the branches [06:01] right, but i just mean in general [06:02] if you're using udd, doesnt matter [06:02] othewise, debdiff [06:02] we're moving torwards udd though [06:02] except for some 500 packages, everything else is in bzr [06:03] gotcha [06:03] ddecator: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ [06:03] nigelb: ok, i think i'm done [06:03] search for bug number ;) [06:03] um, search for your name. sorry [06:04] haha, look at that [06:04] nigelb: look good? [06:04] oh yes :) [06:04] finally :) [06:04] good work! [06:04] now i can work on the other hook i've got [06:04] nigelb: thanks :) [06:05] whats next in line? [06:05] nigelb: btw, let me know when the tags go active just so i know to watch for that. and i'm creating a hook for clutter [06:06] ddecator: you've been busy :D [06:07] nigelb: that's the goal :) [06:08] nigelb: any other hooks you want me to work on as well? or was that just a training one? :p [06:08] nothing from me [06:08] that was from seb - nautilus [06:10] k [07:15] hi I'm trying to connect to my router with intrepid and can't see it in ubuntu [07:18] anub: this channel is related to bug triage. please try #ubuntu for support :) [07:18] I did [07:18] there is no support [07:19] it's a slow time of day. it might help to wait a while and try again later. [07:20] tried earlier too - what time is the best? [07:21] what a bunch of elitist jerks, they help one person and not me [07:21] it could just be that they are not sure how to help [07:21] 1200-1700 UTC is usually a good time, but it can vary on the weekends [07:28] ok thanks [07:45] my name in ubuntu launchpad is ajmal === radoe_ is now known as radoe [09:04] seb128: ping re bug apport hook bug 583174. I've uploaded what I've done so far, but I don't know what other info needs to be collected. I'm also think the wording of the questions good be a little better. I haven't been able to catch up with tedg to ask him what else is needed [09:04] Launchpad bug 583174 in indicator-applet "Apport hook for indicator-applet (affects: 1)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/583174 [09:05] wow, that didn't make much sense... wording of the questions could be a little better [09:05] lol [09:06] it's alright mate, you're sick so you get a free pass this time ;) [09:06] haha thanks mate :) [09:06] kermiac, hey, thanks, will review that later [09:07] I just woke up and I've lot to catchup to do [09:07] ddecator: do i get to pass go & collect $100? [09:07] ok, thanks seb128 :) [09:07] kermiac: not this time [09:07] seb128: btw, if you have any hooks that need doing, you can let me know ;) [09:07] ok, I'm off to have some dinner [09:08] ddecator, ok, will do when I think of one [09:08] we should build a list [09:09] seb128: I'm working on that ;) [09:17] Welcome to Ibiza Summer Time! [09:17] heya BUGabundo_remote [11:21] Anyone got a dapper system and an msn account care to confirm/defirm Bug #581331 ? [11:21] Launchpad bug 581331 in bitlbee (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "error message while trying to use my MSN account in bitlbee (affects: 6) (heat: 44)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/581331 [12:03] arand - dapper is EOL on the desktop, i'm not sure there is a need to test there [12:04] arand - is that something which broke recently btw? [12:05] chrisccoulson: But bitlbee works as a server, so I'm assuming that it would be possible. [12:05] chrisccoulson, isnt bitlbee am IRC proxy ? [12:05] *an [12:05] ok, i'll accept the nomination for dapper too [12:05] (though its surely universe anyway) [12:06] chrisccoulson: Yes, and I've alredy got the fix ready for sponsoring/SRU for hardy-lucid... but I can't get dapper going in vbox... [12:06] ok, no worries. i will sponsor those after lunch if nobody has done them already by then [12:07] I'm not at all sure it is present in dapper even, since when I tried in a chroot (which I have no idea if I did correctly) it seemed to actually work in dapper :/ [12:08] chrisccoulson: Cheers. [14:52] the god damned Akonadi bs seems to mess up some KDE programs in Lucid, like kmail... is there any work going to fix this? Thoes are serious bugs, important application is totally unusable [14:53] can't you disable akonadi? [14:53] oh, there is actually active bug report.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/akonadi/+bug/554514 can we set it's prio high? [14:53] Launchpad bug 554514 in akonadi (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 1 other project) "cant find resource agents (affects: 30) (dups: 1) (heat: 176)" [Medium,New] [14:54] Odd-rationale: I dont know.. can I? I would love to. ******* akonadi [14:54] i thuoght there was something is system settings... [14:55] http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/PIM/Akonadi#How_do_I_completely_disable_Akonadi_startup.3F [14:55] that was for the other bs that noone uses, nepomuk. Akonadi - the application that always crashes kde apps. nepomuku - the application, that makes you want to sepuku ;) Why oh why god is this happening [15:10] if anyone wants to debug kmail crahses with me (due to akonadi) then Im glad to help. [15:25] howdy [15:25] xelister: maybe talk to Harald, he's apachelogger in #kubuntu-devel [15:27] yofel: ok, I do [15:27] btw, after upgrade to lucid.... links from kmail are opened in... gues it.... elinks! lol, what? [15:27] o.O [15:28] in a terminal window. what the hell X_x [15:28] I remeber having kmail/akonadi issues a while ago that somehow fixed themselves, but haven't yet seen that one [15:28] Im trying to get kmail working for 3 days now, what a disaster [15:29] hm, did you use debian at some point? [15:30] just asking as they have a different akonadi mysql setup there which doesn't play well with kubuntu [15:31] yofel: not on this box [15:31] ok, nvm then [15:31] how one should manually start this damn akonadi server for given user? [15:31] I understand that this server does not start at all (can not find akonadi server on D-bus error) [15:31] but if you really think that the bug you mentioned is your issue then you should talk to Harald, debugging over IRC is usually faster than over LP [15:32] akonadictl start [15:32] I think [15:34] yofel: ok I have some results. WOuld you like to debug too? perhaps over xmpp. Im also asking Harald [15:37] I don't think I'll be of much help, I know very little about akonadi === deryck is now known as deryck[lunch] [15:47] Sigh, I try to help and people pounce on me. [15:47] I'm not sure which of the smlnj packages to file this bug against, but the entire SML/NJ library seems to be missing from the distribution. the .sml and .sig files that should be in /usr/lib/smlnj/lib/SMLNJ-LIB are in /usr/lib/mlton/sml/smlnj-lib meaning that you can't use any of the SML/NJ libraries in interactive mode [15:48] * yofel hugs nigelb [15:48] yofel: found a bug, trying to dissect cvs for past few hours, almost pulling my hair out, and an angry response that its not fast enough! [15:49] *sigh* [15:49] 'ln -s /usr/lib/mlton/sml/smlnj-lib /usr/lib/smlnj/lib/SMLNJ-LIB' fixes the bug as far as i can tell [15:49] reminds me of a bug that I once closed because it was against non-ubuntu software, and I was as polite and helpful as possible... [15:49] kahen: possibly mlton package? [15:50] I think people are on the edge since in Lucid so many things stoped working [15:51] xelister: actually, if you ask me, more things started working [15:51] but the thing is many ubuntu-unrelated stuff has issues which is giving backlash to us [15:51] d'oh. that symlink didn't fix it. i forgot i had commented out the offending function [15:52] nigelb: for me: firefox, flash, openoffice, kmail and desktop UI, also keyboard - all this things stoped working on most of my computers [15:52] xelister: kde? ;) [15:52] Im using gnome [15:52] btw, kde DE does not work at all, due to some sepuku [15:52] amd64? [15:52] yes [15:52] ahh, I switched to i386 [15:52] flash is more friendly on i386 [15:53] ah yes, and flash. now it works x2 slower [15:53] and firefox overall works x4 slower [15:53] even witohut flash [15:53] btw, also Skype is unusalbe. and some sound I/O problems (now resolved though) [15:53] best bet, switch to i386. a lot of propietary apps work better on i386 [15:53] no [15:54] and it worked well on 9.10. I know its 3rd source evil corp app etc etc, yet, as user I see this as regression [15:54] well, the problem with skype is, its closed source, you have to complain to them [15:54] not Ubuntu, we don't ship it anyway [15:55] apprently some API that skype uses changed [15:55] but yea, from all the bugs, this one is least ubuntu's fault [15:55] it fails for me too btw [15:56] well skype does work on 10.04 on one of my computers. And kmail works on the other one lol. So now I need 2 boxes to do normall every day stuff [15:57] what I found a bit odd was, that the first lucid beta was even more broken than the karmic beta, so even though we had more time to fix bugs, we had a lot more to fix too [15:58] and I think the devs did a pretty good job on that [15:59] it would be nice though if bug 563916 was fixed sometime... [15:59] Launchpad bug 563916 in plymouth (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) "[details.so] No prompt for [S]kip or [M]anual recovery on server boot (affects: 12) (dups: 1) (heat: 76)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/563916 [16:06] I really hate this, this is totall madness [16:07] is there some explanation, why are users forced to use this akonadi ****, how to debug it, how it interacts with local mysql server, how to start/stop it, and so on... Because its hard to use something that is not understood [16:08] erm, an interesting part there is that kubuntu akonadi uses mysql-akonadi, not mysql. They copied part of it so that you don't need to run a full mysqld instance for KDE [16:09] LOLOL google.com :) playable pacman [16:10] cool XD [16:16] I got to 3rd level, now Im back to work =) === malev_ is now known as malev [16:26] LOLOLOL === JFo is now known as JFo-swap === deryck[lunch] is now known as deryck [17:05] still unable to use kmail [17:05] still stupid akonadi/mysql errors [17:11] humm [17:11] mvo not around [17:11] anyone knows of a bug in karmic that won't let it upgrade to lucid? [17:11] UM doesn't even show lucid as available [17:12] a quick google around didn't find a bug report for that [17:12] nor have I ever seen a pc do that [17:12] I've got karmic let me check [17:12] how stupid would it be, to do what I always tell users not to do? aka sed sources? [17:13] One would ahve to mind the PPAs [17:13] none AFAICS [17:13] one 3rd party repo [17:13] let me commetn that [17:14] ok I will donate 50 usd to FOSS, in next month, if someone will make my stupid ubuntu capable of running damn kmail. Without lossing user configuration [17:14] today [17:14] My karmic shows lucid if I tell it to check in software sources. [17:15] xelister: kmail wfm [17:15] use it daily [17:16] BUGabundo_remote: it shows god damned akonadi error window then crashes [17:16] using same conf since 4.x [17:17] xelister: install dbg packages for it [17:17] and gdb --args kmail nofork [17:17] arand: well... ill just sed it :( [17:17] shame I can't ping mvo right now [17:42] When I write "sudo service gdm stop" I have some error "[ 92.104033] [drm:drm_reclaim_locked_buffers_locked()deadlock. Please rework this..." [17:43] What I must do? [17:43] wladek: please open a bug on it. What video driver are you using? [17:43] Before update, display sork very well [17:43] *work [17:45] I don't know what driver I use [17:45] wladek: what version of Ubuntu? [17:46] 9.XX [17:46] 9.10 [17:46] I update system [17:48] In xorg.conf "Viewport 0 0" [17:49] Why ? [17:49] wladek: (1) what does "I update system" mean? (2) why what? [17:51] 1. I actualization my system(download new package from internet) [17:52] 2. "Viewport x y" when must x>320 [17:54] But I have "Viewport 0 0", so what it meaning ? [17:55] I have old graphic card [17:57] Why I can't good stop drm ? [17:57] wladek: viewport will set the upper left corner of the display, and usually is not needed. [17:58] so I have not some like this : "Mode "800x600" " in xorg.conf [17:59] xelister: it says it can't find /etc/akonadi/mysql-global.conf [17:59] BUGabundo_remote: ^ [18:00] ehe [18:00] do you have mysql installed? [18:00] which version? [18:01] there was a miss match [18:01] between 5 and 5.1 [18:01] akonadi-server: /etc/akonadi/mysql-global.conf [18:01] akonadi-server: /usr/sbin/mysqld-akonadi [18:01] try to reinstall the package? [18:02] it was apparmor! [18:02] er... [18:02] but I disabled it with /etc/init.d/apparmor stop === yofel_ is now known as yofel [18:03] xelister: and it works now? [18:03] testing [18:04] if yes, then something in your configuration is violating /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.mysqld-akonadi [18:05] bbl [18:05] Hi all, I am seeing a graphics glitch (http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/626/gfxglitch.png) this has happened a number of times and I wondering if someone could indicate to me which package I should mark as being related to this bug? Btw, running Lucid. Thanks [18:05] after *really* disabing apparmor this time, in akonaditray, still Start button does nothing (after full logout + kill -9 -u user + login) [18:07] xelister: I hope you just disabled that apparmor profile and not apparmor entirely [18:08] entirly, for now. later we can fix the profile to allow needed files [18:09] xelister: you can disable individual profiles or just set them to complain mode while debugging without disabling the whole apparmor system [18:25] yofel: (if you are interested) description + error details: http://pastebin.com/PeZqcjpV [18:35] yeees. it works. Only 4 hours later and 6 peoples involved =) [18:36] the problem was: akonadirc remembered invalid (old) patch to user's $HOME, and therefore was trying to access invalid /home/user/... dir whne looking for the mysql socket. (Another problem before was also invalid apparmor profile) [18:36] ... [18:37] what? :) [18:38] I'm just speechless... [18:38] akonadi #@§$%§&$ [18:39] you mean it's stupid for akonadi to not detect this problem, or its stupid of me to have such problem? [18:40] it was because the user was quite old user imported from ubuntu 9.10 or before, and at some point the user $HOME and name was changed. and apparently it was not causing any problems back then. Anyway I belive akonadi should default to "$HOME/.local..." path for socket and should parse the $HOME variable [18:41] akonadi is stupid here, it *should* not depend on a specific username [18:42] Im talking to akonadi developers now, perhaps they will fix it [18:43] thenks everyone (over 4 people on irc, 2 people here debuggin on place ;) [18:47] any nouveau mavericks around? [18:54] alex_mayorga: I am on maverick and use "xserver-xorg-video-nouveau" [18:54] MrKanister: which card? [18:55] I'd like to know how to move forward with bug 581385 [18:55] Launchpad bug 581385 in nouveau-firmware (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "nouveau doesn't work on a Sony VAIO VPCCW (GT 230M) (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/581385 [18:55] alex_mayorga: nVidea GForce 9800 GT [18:58] MrKanister: do you happen to know what would be a proper forum for this issue? [18:59] alex_mayorga: I am probably the wrong one to ask since I never had any issues with my graphic cards [19:02] on Ubuntu, an 2800 Mhz CPU PC is too slow to play pac-man. Yes, pacman that worked fine on 33 Hz computers 15 years ago. Awesome :) (in flash). Example: http://www.gry.pl/gra/Pac-xon.html [19:03] worked better before lucid. now all flash have performance, sound and playback problems [19:03] xelister: WFM, must be a video card issue [19:03] Nvidia, 60 FPS in 1920x1200 3d quake and UT engine games [19:03] xelister: no one forces you to update immediately after a new release comes out [19:04] xelister: if your system is working why would you want to update? [19:04] xelister: the switch to KMS caused some issues, please file bugs if you know of regressiosn [19:04] Mark had a gun to my head =) [19:05] xelister: sure :P [19:05] well I was hoping lucid would get rid of some of bugs in 9.10 too [19:05] xelister: it did :) [19:06] well I hope flash will die horrible death anyway [19:06] minus + minus can give a plus it seems, one evil corp attacking another evil corp.. perhaps html 5 video, JS will get more popular =) [21:36] o/ [21:49] ddecator: ping [21:49] \o [21:50] \o/ [21:50]