/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/05/21/#ubuntu-manual.txt

ubuntujenkinsc7p: sorted that screenshot00:03
c7pubuntujenkins: wow you are quick :D done00:07
ubuntujenkinsI am doing coursework so the distraction is welcome :)00:07
c7p:P00:08
ubuntujenkinslucid-e1 updated00:10
c7pgodbyk: I've finished the margin note job (finally)!00:12
c7pubuntujenkins: nice00:12
godbykc7p: excellent!00:12
c7pgodbyk: Should i edit the credits ? Actually I want to add a co-translator that isn't on the credits and also I want to right in greek our names (if it is allowed of course)00:14
godbykc7p: good question.  let me run it past some folks first.00:15
godbykwe tried to collect the names a while back but I'm not sure if anyone responded.00:15
c7pgodbyk: and the other text is translated too, should I include it on the tex file ?00:23
godbykc7p: What other text?00:23
c7pgodbyk: the one you have sent me before some hours00:24
godbykOh, right.00:24
godbykYeah, you'll have to include that in the .tex file.00:24
godbykLet me pull up a copy and I can help you get it in the right place.00:24
godbykc7p: The copyright page starts around line 187 (with \clearpage and \thispagestyle{plain})00:26
godbykand goes until about line 213 (with \endgroup and \clearpage)00:26
godbykc7p: the colophon goes at the very end of the document just before the \end{document} line.00:27
c7pi copy n paste the hole copyright.tex file?00:28
godbykyeah.00:28
godbykwe'll need to change the lulu URL once we get it sent to lulu, but I can do that.00:29
c7pok :)00:29
c7pgodbyk: topo told me that we could change the colophon font as long as we have used other font, we leave it as it is for now. If you find it necessary make the proper changes00:34
godbykc7p: Right. I think we're using the same fonts for the Greek version but we're only using the Linux Biolinum font for the title page now.00:36
godbyk(Since the Linux Biolinum font didn't have bold Greek letters.)00:36
godbykSo you could change that line in the colophon to: "The title page is set in Linux Biolinum, also designed by Philipp H. Poll and available at the same \acronym{URL} above."00:37
godbyk(translated appropriately, of course.)00:37
c7pSo, I should replace the line with "The captions and margin notes ... bla bla" with this (The title page is set in Linux ...), right?00:42
godbykc7p: Yep, exactly.00:43
c7pgodbyk: Everything is in place now, do you want the tex file so you can compile a pdf and upload it to the "builds" ?00:49
ubuntujenkinsnight all01:06
c7pnight ubuntujenkins01:07
flanG'night~01:10
c7pnight all01:14
flanGoal for tonight: get OpenID working in the actual server.01:57
flangodbyk, next time you're logged into your webhost, can you type 'python -c "import openid"' and let me know if it returns without complaining?02:04
flan(So I know whether I need to build an egg for deployment)02:04
godbykflan: sure. one moment02:18
godbykmodule's not installed.02:18
godbykI can install it at some point, though.02:18
godbyk(I'm running my own python instead of whatever they gave me, so I have my own site_packages dir, etc.)02:19
flanOkay, then. I'll see what I can do about making the process braindead, though.02:22
flanWhen it's time to start worrying about that.02:22
godbykcool02:28
godbykI think I'm going to go read my book for a bit.02:29
godbykFeel free to ping me if you need me.02:30
godbyk(Once I get godbyk-android logged in, that is.)02:30
Zeikehello.03:47
ZeikeI'd like to get involved with this project03:47
flanHi, Zeike.03:54
flanHow would you like to help? (We're definitely welcoming contributors)03:55
Zeikemainly as an author03:56
ZeikeI've followed this: http://ubuntu-manual.org/getinvolved/authors03:57
flanUnfortunately, that's not uite my field, but I can direct you towards people who will be able to help.03:59
flanHow late do you think you'll be on tonight?03:59
flan(I'm assuming central/easter US, based on your hostname)03:59
ZeikeProbably 1:30 or 2 EST04:00
Zeikebut I can also get on this weekend as well04:00
flanIf a user named 'humphreybc' joins, grab his attention. He's the project's leader and should be able to help you figure out what we need most.04:01
ZeikeI'll keep my eye open04:01
ZeikeThanks04:01
flanThank you for volunterring to help. :)04:01
Zeike;)04:01
flanIlyaHaykinson should be able to help you, too.04:02
Zeikealright04:03
flan(I'm on the Quickshot side, hence my not-quite-being-able-to-help-you-ness)04:04
flanThe channel's a bit more active around 10:00-12:00, your time.04:04
flanIn case nobody shows up.04:04
Zeikethanks04:05
Zeikeunfortunately I don't really know python04:06
Zeikeor much other than perl04:07
flanPerl has its uses, and it's deployed, like, everywhere. Always a good thing to know.04:08
Zeikeits the truth04:14
* flan didn't get OpenID working. :(05:40
flan(It kinda works, but there's something missing at the end)05:40
ubuntujenkinsZeike: again I am a quickshot member but you could send an e-mail to the list ubuntu-manual@lists.launchpad.net saying hello and what you would like to do. Then people can get back to you when they are awake in their time zone.07:50
ubuntujenkinsmorning all07:50
shrinianybody there?10:24
shrinihow to generate the PDF file,10:24
shriniafter translating into tamil?10:24
hannieI have a question about ss: text (like{ss:live-cd-welcome})11:43
hanniess stands for screenshot. Should the text following ss: be translated?11:44
nisshhgodbyk: ^^11:46
ubuntujenkinsshrini: make ubuntu-manual-ta.pdf13:37
ubuntujenkinsnisshh: just so you know most translator "what to translate" questions can be usually answered in the style guide. which is in the /topic13:38
ubuntujenkinsi will be back in in about an hour13:46
shriniubuntujenkins: hai13:46
shriniwe are typing in the LP now13:47
shriniafter typing in the browser, how to generate the pdf?13:47
nisshhubuntujenkins: thanks, i knew it was defined somewhere, gotta remember that :)13:50
nisshhshrini: what are you having trouble with?13:52
flanAh, yes... I suppose I should have checked to see if Zeike was aware of the mailing list...14:48
quickshotdevsNew news from manualplanet: Per Erik Glærum Grønvik: Some statistics. Linux(6% of market)14:50
ubuntujenkins shrini you need to get the po file from launchpad and add it to lucid-e1. then compile it. I just need to check how to get it from launcgpad with out messing up the translations.14:57
ubuntujenkinsgodbyk: godbyk-android ping14:59
ubuntujenkinshow much have you typed in shrini ?15:04
shriniubuntujenkins: thanks15:04
ubuntujenkinsalso do you have texlive to compile the manual? If not i can do it but might not be for few hours as i have to nip out again15:05
shriniubuntujenkins: handwritten work is done for all chapters15:05
shriniubuntujenkins: our team is typing in computer now15:05
shriniubuntujenkins: I need the compliation process mnual15:06
shriniso that we can compile ourself15:06
shriniwant to teach our team about the process15:06
ubuntujenkinsok what version of ubuntu are you running?15:06
shriniof making po to pdf15:06
shriniwe all have 10.0415:06
ubuntujenkinsok wee i have a ppa for 10.04 but you will need to download about 2gb of packages15:07
ubuntujenkinsi am looking up the instructions for it now15:09
shriniubuntujenkins: thats fine15:09
shrinii will download in 1 0r 2 days15:09
ubuntujenkinshttp://paste.ubuntu.com/437347/ are the instructions. Please report any problems with them to me15:11
ubuntujenkinsyou might get some compiling errors just shout in here and we will try and help kevin is the best person at fixing them.15:13
shriniubuntujenkins: thanks a lot15:15
ubuntujenkinsno problem :)15:15
shrinithat link has only15:15
shriniinstallation instructions15:15
shrinifor compilation?15:15
ubuntujenkinsyou will need bzr branch lp:ubuntu-manual/lucid-e1 then in the lucid-e1 folder run make ubuntu-manual-ta.pdf . For the po file i need to double check something with kevin so that it is done right.15:17
ubuntujenkinsI don't want to mess up all your work.15:18
shriniokey15:20
shrinithanks a lot15:20
ubuntujenkins:)15:21
ubuntujenkinshave fun typing15:24
godbykubuntujenkins: pong15:33
ubuntujenkinshello are we ok to ask launchpad to e-mail a po file to you? I won't mess anything up by doing that?15:34
godbykubuntujenkins: it's okay if launchpad emails a po file, yeah.15:35
ubuntujenkinscool thanks don't want to screw stuff up.15:36
godbykhannie, nisshh: the {ss:live-cd-welcome} should be left completely untranslated.15:38
godbykI'll pull the latest translations in a moment and commit them to the branch.15:38
flanOpenID support for Quickshot server pushed. Works with Google using my site as a delegate and MyOpenID using their provided subdomain.16:47
flan+commas16:47
flandelegator*16:47
flanubuntujenkins, when you've got a minute, can you try signing into http://stellvia.uguu.ca:5000/ ? (Preferably a few times, since Google was intermittently rejecting my delegate setup, though it liked my native profile URL)17:26
flanTry every ID you use/know you have.17:26
flanYour Google one will likely look something like http://www.google.com/profiles/red.hamsterx17:26
* flan returns to work.17:27
godbykHey, c7p.  I'm updating the builds right now.  If you want to email me your .tex file, I'll build the Greek translation and upload that when the others have finished.17:27
flan(Other people are welcome to try logging in, too. I mostly just want to make sure it works and that I didn't do something stupid, like create one global session that all users are sharing)17:29
flanOh. You may need to make your Google profile public/actually create one before it'll work.17:37
c7pgodbyk: great :D17:38
c7pgodbyk: i have sent you the file, let me know what else do we have to do till the pdf is officially published :). The greek community is very impatient ... :D but I think the result is rather satisfactory ;)17:41
godbykc7p: Sure thing. :)17:44
ubuntujenkinsflan: my google and my launchpad work17:50
flanYay!17:50
flanI got confirmation of Yahoo! working, too.17:50
godbykc7p: The compiled Greek manual should be online now at http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/17:55
flanMySpace is confirmed functional, too.17:55
ubuntujenkinsnice :)17:56
godbykI'll take a closer look at it either later tonight or this weekend.  (I'm spending today compiling a ton of software. It sucks.)17:56
flanSo we've passed what's probably the biggest learning curve point in development.17:56
flanAlso LiveJournal.17:56
flan(I just remembered I had one many years ago)17:56
godbykc7p: One thing I did notice, is that there are a lot of repeated index entries. I think we can fix most of these with the new \applicatoin command parameter.17:56
ubuntujenkinsyey \o/17:56
godbykLet me find the email where I explained it.17:56
godbykc7p: Here you go: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/msg01629.html17:57
c7pgodbyk: On the time I was preparing a post on the forum :).17:57
godbykThat will let you use one form of the application name in the text and another (canonical) name for the index entry.17:58
godbykc7p: Also, it looks like po4a doesn't respect newlines, so you might want to look at the stuff inside \begin{terminal} and \end{terminal} to ensure that the lines end at the right points in your .tex file.17:59
godbyk(Also, the contributors/credits section got a little bit mangled for the same reason.)17:59
godbykI'm waiting to hear back from the editors on how to handle translator names, still.17:59
godbykc7p: We'll have to make a list of all of these checks we're going through so we can tell the other translation editors when they're ready. :)18:00
c7pgodbyk: yes that would help18:01
c7pgodbyk: i there any doc on etherpad that we can use it for this purpose ?18:02
c7pgodbyk: also do i start to solve the index issue ? (giving the info of https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/msg01629.html)18:05
godbykc7p: I don't think there's a pad yet. You're welcome to start one and put some notes in, if you like.  If you do, send me a link.18:06
godbykc7p: Yeah, you can start working on the index issue. If you have any questions about it, feel free to ask me.18:06
c7pgodbyk: i think with the "\application[index entry]{in-text words} " example everything is clear18:07
godbykokay, good.18:11
* ubuntujenkins has made a tin foil blind to help keep his room cool18:46
c7pgodbyk: http://typewith.me/rE4pCABOXs that's some thing that i have thought, make any changes you want :). If anyone find some mistakes on the use of language feel free to correct them :)18:52
godbykc7p: thanks for starting the notes!18:54
c7pgodbyk: no problem, my pleasure :D18:54
flanI read that as a "tin foil hat", initially.19:01
ubuntujenkinsI could make a tin foil hat....19:01
flanYou should.19:04
ubuntujenkinsI have19:06
ZeikeI've sent a message to the mailing list19:26
flan'Kay. Sorry nobody directly related dropped by while you were waiting. :(19:33
flanI'm sure it'll get a resonse soon, though.19:33
Zeikeits no problem19:35
* ubuntujenkins is having an evening off and making progress on the quickshot ui22:19
* godbyk is compiling a ton of libraries and other prereqs so he can attempt to compile the code he's to be working on.22:22
godbykIt's taking FOREVER.22:22
dutchiehmm22:22
dutchiethis is not good22:22
godbykNo one bothered to write instructions.22:23
dutchie£30 appears to have disappeared into the ether22:23
godbykSo I'm learning which dependencies are needed with the help of compiler and linker errors.22:23
dutchiegodbyk: wouldn't it be easier to read the code?22:23
* godbyk plucks £30 out of the ether.22:23
godbykdutchie: way too much code to just read through.22:24
dutchiepaypal says the transfer to my bank account has completed, but it has not appeared there22:24
dutchiegodbyk: find -name '*.[ch]' | grep '#include'22:24
dutchiejob done :)22:24
dutchieassuming C/C++, of course22:25
godbykdutchie: ack -h "#include" | sort -u | wc -l  # =127122:34
dutchieput a "| sort | uniq | less" on the end then22:35
dutchie:P22:35
dutchieor does sort -u do that?22:35
dutchieah, yes22:36
godbyksort -u makes it uniq22:36
dutchiejust a | less then :)22:36
dutchiegrep -v '#include ".*"'?22:36
godbykdutchie: 1146 if I grep -v '#include "'22:37
dutchieimpressive22:38
godbykThat's one word for it. :)22:38
godbykdutchie: http://code.google.com/p/vrjuggler  if you want to have a poke around.22:38
dutchiegodbyk: http://code.google.com/p/vrjuggler/wiki/BuildingFromSvn?22:40
godbykdutchie: Yeah, that's my hell.22:41
godbykI've built it countless times before.22:41
godbykApparently, there's a bug in one of the configure scripts at the moment.22:41
dutchienice22:41
godbykbash doesn't like: if test "x$os_type" = "xWin32"; then INSTALL="blah"; else; fi22:42
godbykI think the empty else branch is freaking out bash22:42
godbykI've sent them patches to fix their scripts before.22:42
godbyk<grumble>22:42
godbykI'm gonna pull the branch instead of the tag and see if they've fixed it.22:44
dutchiearen't you at iowa state?22:45
godbykyep22:45
godbykwhich is the only reason I'm stuck using this POS framework. :)22:45
godbykdutchie: the 2.2 branch has a different configure-related bug than the 2.2.1 tag does.22:48
godbykfml22:49
c7pgodbyk: I have made the proper changes on the tex file regarding the index. The "problem" is that i have always some issues with the index on the compiled pdf. The index doesn't exist on the pdf23:02
godbykc7p: Ah, right. Because you have run another program to create the index.23:05
godbykI'll write a small script for you to use to compile your .tex file (without deleting it).23:05
c7pgodbyk: don't bother if it takes time23:06
godbykit won't take but a moment.23:06
godbykjust copy and paste a few lines from the makefile.23:06
c7pok then :)23:08
ubuntujenkinsnight all23:21
c7pnight ubuntujenkins23:22
c7pnight all23:35
godbykG'night, c7p.23:35
godbykI'll email this script when I get it finished.23:36
godbyk(I keep getting distracted.)23:36
c7ptake you time :P it's not even our priority this script, I only have this problem so no big deal :)23:36
godbykThe script works, I'm just trying to get it to nicely colorize the output ('cause I'm picky that way). :)23:37
c7pgodbyk ok :D, cu tomorrow23:37
godbyksee ya23:37

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