[00:03] <ubuntujenkins> c7p: sorted that screenshot
[00:07] <c7p> ubuntujenkins: wow you are quick :D done
[00:07] <ubuntujenkins> I am doing coursework so the distraction is welcome :)
[00:08] <c7p> :P
[00:10] <ubuntujenkins> lucid-e1 updated
[00:12] <c7p> godbyk: I've finished the margin note job (finally)!
[00:12] <c7p> ubuntujenkins: nice
[00:12] <godbyk> c7p: excellent!
[00:14] <c7p> godbyk: Should i edit the credits ? Actually I want to add a co-translator that isn't on the credits and also I want to right in greek our names (if it is allowed of course)
[00:15] <godbyk> c7p: good question.  let me run it past some folks first.
[00:15] <godbyk> we tried to collect the names a while back but I'm not sure if anyone responded.
[00:23] <c7p> godbyk: and the other text is translated too, should I include it on the tex file ?
[00:23] <godbyk> c7p: What other text?
[00:24] <c7p> godbyk: the one you have sent me before some hours
[00:24] <godbyk> Oh, right.
[00:24] <godbyk> Yeah, you'll have to include that in the .tex file.
[00:24] <godbyk> Let me pull up a copy and I can help you get it in the right place.
[00:26] <godbyk> c7p: The copyright page starts around line 187 (with \clearpage and \thispagestyle{plain})
[00:26] <godbyk> and goes until about line 213 (with \endgroup and \clearpage)
[00:27] <godbyk> c7p: the colophon goes at the very end of the document just before the \end{document} line.
[00:28] <c7p> i copy n paste the hole copyright.tex file?
[00:28] <godbyk> yeah.
[00:29] <godbyk> we'll need to change the lulu URL once we get it sent to lulu, but I can do that.
[00:29] <c7p> ok :)
[00:34] <c7p> godbyk: topo told me that we could change the colophon font as long as we have used other font, we leave it as it is for now. If you find it necessary make the proper changes
[00:36] <godbyk> c7p: Right. I think we're using the same fonts for the Greek version but we're only using the Linux Biolinum font for the title page now.
[00:36] <godbyk> (Since the Linux Biolinum font didn't have bold Greek letters.)
[00:37] <godbyk> So you could change that line in the colophon to: "The title page is set in Linux Biolinum, also designed by Philipp H. Poll and available at the same \acronym{URL} above."
[00:37] <godbyk> (translated appropriately, of course.)
[00:42] <c7p> So, I should replace the line with "The captions and margin notes ... bla bla" with this (The title page is set in Linux ...), right?
[00:43] <godbyk> c7p: Yep, exactly.
[00:49] <c7p> godbyk: Everything is in place now, do you want the tex file so you can compile a pdf and upload it to the "builds" ?
[01:06] <ubuntujenkins> night all
[01:07] <c7p> night ubuntujenkins
[01:10] <flan> G'night~
[01:14] <c7p> night all
[01:57] <flan> Goal for tonight: get OpenID working in the actual server.
[02:04] <flan> godbyk, next time you're logged into your webhost, can you type 'python -c "import openid"' and let me know if it returns without complaining?
[02:04] <flan> (So I know whether I need to build an egg for deployment)
[02:18] <godbyk> flan: sure. one moment
[02:18] <godbyk> module's not installed.
[02:18] <godbyk> I can install it at some point, though.
[02:19] <godbyk> (I'm running my own python instead of whatever they gave me, so I have my own site_packages dir, etc.)
[02:22] <flan> Okay, then. I'll see what I can do about making the process braindead, though.
[02:22] <flan> When it's time to start worrying about that.
[02:28] <godbyk> cool
[02:29] <godbyk> I think I'm going to go read my book for a bit.
[02:30] <godbyk> Feel free to ping me if you need me.
[02:30] <godbyk> (Once I get godbyk-android logged in, that is.)
[03:47] <Zeike> hello.
[03:47] <Zeike> I'd like to get involved with this project
[03:54] <flan> Hi, Zeike.
[03:55] <flan> How would you like to help? (We're definitely welcoming contributors)
[03:56] <Zeike> mainly as an author
[03:57] <Zeike> I've followed this: http://ubuntu-manual.org/getinvolved/authors
[03:59] <flan> Unfortunately, that's not uite my field, but I can direct you towards people who will be able to help.
[03:59] <flan> How late do you think you'll be on tonight?
[03:59] <flan> (I'm assuming central/easter US, based on your hostname)
[04:00] <Zeike> Probably 1:30 or 2 EST
[04:00] <Zeike> but I can also get on this weekend as well
[04:01] <flan> If a user named 'humphreybc' joins, grab his attention. He's the project's leader and should be able to help you figure out what we need most.
[04:01] <Zeike> I'll keep my eye open
[04:01] <Zeike> Thanks
[04:01] <flan> Thank you for volunterring to help. :)
[04:01] <Zeike> ;)
[04:02] <flan> IlyaHaykinson should be able to help you, too.
[04:03] <Zeike> alright
[04:04] <flan> (I'm on the Quickshot side, hence my not-quite-being-able-to-help-you-ness)
[04:04] <flan> The channel's a bit more active around 10:00-12:00, your time.
[04:04] <flan> In case nobody shows up.
[04:05] <Zeike> thanks
[04:06] <Zeike> unfortunately I don't really know python
[04:07] <Zeike> or much other than perl
[04:08] <flan> Perl has its uses, and it's deployed, like, everywhere. Always a good thing to know.
[04:14] <Zeike> its the truth
[05:40]  * flan didn't get OpenID working. :(
[05:40] <flan> (It kinda works, but there's something missing at the end)
[07:50] <ubuntujenkins> Zeike: again I am a quickshot member but you could send an e-mail to the list ubuntu-manual@lists.launchpad.net saying hello and what you would like to do. Then people can get back to you when they are awake in their time zone.
[07:50] <ubuntujenkins> morning all
[10:24] <shrini> anybody there?
[10:24] <shrini> how to generate the PDF file,
[10:24] <shrini> after translating into tamil?
[11:43] <hannie> I have a question about ss: text (like{ss:live-cd-welcome})
[11:44] <hannie> ss stands for screenshot. Should the text following ss: be translated?
[11:46] <nisshh> godbyk: ^^
[13:37] <ubuntujenkins> shrini: make ubuntu-manual-ta.pdf
[13:38] <ubuntujenkins> nisshh: just so you know most translator "what to translate" questions can be usually answered in the style guide. which is in the /topic
[13:46] <ubuntujenkins> i will be back in in about an hour
[13:46] <shrini> ubuntujenkins: hai
[13:47] <shrini> we are typing in the LP now
[13:47] <shrini> after typing in the browser, how to generate the pdf?
[13:50] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: thanks, i knew it was defined somewhere, gotta remember that :)
[13:52] <nisshh> shrini: what are you having trouble with?
[14:48] <flan> Ah, yes... I suppose I should have checked to see if Zeike was aware of the mailing list...
[14:50] <quickshotdevs> New news from manualplanet: Per Erik Glærum Grønvik: Some statistics. Linux(6% of market)
[14:57] <ubuntujenkins>  shrini you need to get the po file from launchpad and add it to lucid-e1. then compile it. I just need to check how to get it from launcgpad with out messing up the translations.
[14:59] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: godbyk-android ping
[15:04] <ubuntujenkins> how much have you typed in shrini ?
[15:04] <shrini> ubuntujenkins: thanks
[15:05] <ubuntujenkins> also do you have texlive to compile the manual? If not i can do it but might not be for few hours as i have to nip out again
[15:05] <shrini> ubuntujenkins: handwritten work is done for all chapters
[15:05] <shrini> ubuntujenkins: our team is typing in computer now
[15:06] <shrini> ubuntujenkins: I need the compliation process mnual
[15:06] <shrini> so that we can compile ourself
[15:06] <shrini> want to teach our team about the process
[15:06] <ubuntujenkins> ok what version of ubuntu are you running?
[15:06] <shrini> of making po to pdf
[15:06] <shrini> we all have 10.04
[15:07] <ubuntujenkins> ok wee i have a ppa for 10.04 but you will need to download about 2gb of packages
[15:09] <ubuntujenkins> i am looking up the instructions for it now
[15:09] <shrini> ubuntujenkins: thats fine
[15:09] <shrini> i will download in 1 0r 2 days
[15:11] <ubuntujenkins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/437347/ are the instructions. Please report any problems with them to me
[15:13] <ubuntujenkins> you might get some compiling errors just shout in here and we will try and help kevin is the best person at fixing them.
[15:15] <shrini> ubuntujenkins: thanks a lot
[15:15] <ubuntujenkins> no problem :)
[15:15] <shrini> that link has only
[15:15] <shrini> installation instructions
[15:15] <shrini> for compilation?
[15:17] <ubuntujenkins> you will need bzr branch lp:ubuntu-manual/lucid-e1 then in the lucid-e1 folder run make ubuntu-manual-ta.pdf . For the po file i need to double check something with kevin so that it is done right.
[15:18] <ubuntujenkins> I don't want to mess up all your work.
[15:20] <shrini> okey
[15:20] <shrini> thanks a lot
[15:21] <ubuntujenkins> :)
[15:24] <ubuntujenkins> have fun typing
[15:33] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: pong
[15:34] <ubuntujenkins> hello are we ok to ask launchpad to e-mail a po file to you? I won't mess anything up by doing that?
[15:35] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: it's okay if launchpad emails a po file, yeah.
[15:36] <ubuntujenkins> cool thanks don't want to screw stuff up.
[15:38] <godbyk> hannie, nisshh: the {ss:live-cd-welcome} should be left completely untranslated.
[15:38] <godbyk> I'll pull the latest translations in a moment and commit them to the branch.
[16:47] <flan> OpenID support for Quickshot server pushed. Works with Google using my site as a delegate and MyOpenID using their provided subdomain.
[16:47] <flan> +commas
[16:47] <flan> delegator*
[17:26] <flan> ubuntujenkins, when you've got a minute, can you try signing into http://stellvia.uguu.ca:5000/ ? (Preferably a few times, since Google was intermittently rejecting my delegate setup, though it liked my native profile URL)
[17:26] <flan> Try every ID you use/know you have.
[17:26] <flan> Your Google one will likely look something like http://www.google.com/profiles/red.hamsterx
[17:27]  * flan returns to work.
[17:27] <godbyk> Hey, c7p.  I'm updating the builds right now.  If you want to email me your .tex file, I'll build the Greek translation and upload that when the others have finished.
[17:29] <flan> (Other people are welcome to try logging in, too. I mostly just want to make sure it works and that I didn't do something stupid, like create one global session that all users are sharing)
[17:37] <flan> Oh. You may need to make your Google profile public/actually create one before it'll work.
[17:38] <c7p> godbyk: great :D
[17:41] <c7p> godbyk: i have sent you the file, let me know what else do we have to do till the pdf is officially published :). The greek community is very impatient ... :D but I think the result is rather satisfactory ;)
[17:44] <godbyk> c7p: Sure thing. :)
[17:50] <ubuntujenkins> flan: my google and my launchpad work
[17:50] <flan> Yay!
[17:50] <flan> I got confirmation of Yahoo! working, too.
[17:55] <godbyk> c7p: The compiled Greek manual should be online now at http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/
[17:55] <flan> MySpace is confirmed functional, too.
[17:56] <ubuntujenkins> nice :)
[17:56] <godbyk> I'll take a closer look at it either later tonight or this weekend.  (I'm spending today compiling a ton of software. It sucks.)
[17:56] <flan> So we've passed what's probably the biggest learning curve point in development.
[17:56] <flan> Also LiveJournal.
[17:56] <flan> (I just remembered I had one many years ago)
[17:56] <godbyk> c7p: One thing I did notice, is that there are a lot of repeated index entries. I think we can fix most of these with the new \applicatoin command parameter.
[17:56] <ubuntujenkins> yey \o/
[17:56] <godbyk> Let me find the email where I explained it.
[17:57] <godbyk> c7p: Here you go: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/msg01629.html
[17:57] <c7p> godbyk: On the time I was preparing a post on the forum :).
[17:58] <godbyk> That will let you use one form of the application name in the text and another (canonical) name for the index entry.
[17:59] <godbyk> c7p: Also, it looks like po4a doesn't respect newlines, so you might want to look at the stuff inside \begin{terminal} and \end{terminal} to ensure that the lines end at the right points in your .tex file.
[17:59] <godbyk> (Also, the contributors/credits section got a little bit mangled for the same reason.)
[17:59] <godbyk> I'm waiting to hear back from the editors on how to handle translator names, still.
[18:00] <godbyk> c7p: We'll have to make a list of all of these checks we're going through so we can tell the other translation editors when they're ready. :)
[18:01] <c7p> godbyk: yes that would help
[18:02] <c7p> godbyk: i there any doc on etherpad that we can use it for this purpose ?
[18:05] <c7p> godbyk: also do i start to solve the index issue ? (giving the info of https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/msg01629.html)
[18:06] <godbyk> c7p: I don't think there's a pad yet. You're welcome to start one and put some notes in, if you like.  If you do, send me a link.
[18:06] <godbyk> c7p: Yeah, you can start working on the index issue. If you have any questions about it, feel free to ask me.
[18:07] <c7p> godbyk: i think with the "\application[index entry]{in-text words} " example everything is clear
[18:11] <godbyk> okay, good.
[18:46]  * ubuntujenkins has made a tin foil blind to help keep his room cool
[18:52] <c7p> godbyk: http://typewith.me/rE4pCABOXs that's some thing that i have thought, make any changes you want :). If anyone find some mistakes on the use of language feel free to correct them :)
[18:54] <godbyk> c7p: thanks for starting the notes!
[18:54] <c7p> godbyk: no problem, my pleasure :D
[19:01] <flan> I read that as a "tin foil hat", initially.
[19:01] <ubuntujenkins> I could make a tin foil hat....
[19:04] <flan> You should.
[19:06] <ubuntujenkins> I have
[19:26] <Zeike> I've sent a message to the mailing list
[19:33] <flan> 'Kay. Sorry nobody directly related dropped by while you were waiting. :(
[19:33] <flan> I'm sure it'll get a resonse soon, though.
[19:35] <Zeike> its no problem
[22:19]  * ubuntujenkins is having an evening off and making progress on the quickshot ui
[22:22]  * godbyk is compiling a ton of libraries and other prereqs so he can attempt to compile the code he's to be working on.
[22:22] <godbyk> It's taking FOREVER.
[22:22] <dutchie> hmm
[22:22] <dutchie> this is not good
[22:23] <godbyk> No one bothered to write instructions.
[22:23] <dutchie> £30 appears to have disappeared into the ether
[22:23] <godbyk> So I'm learning which dependencies are needed with the help of compiler and linker errors.
[22:23] <dutchie> godbyk: wouldn't it be easier to read the code?
[22:23]  * godbyk plucks £30 out of the ether.
[22:24] <godbyk> dutchie: way too much code to just read through.
[22:24] <dutchie> paypal says the transfer to my bank account has completed, but it has not appeared there
[22:24] <dutchie> godbyk: find -name '*.[ch]' | grep '#include'
[22:24] <dutchie> job done :)
[22:25] <dutchie> assuming C/C++, of course
[22:34] <godbyk> dutchie: ack -h "#include" | sort -u | wc -l  # =1271
[22:35] <dutchie> put a "| sort | uniq | less" on the end then
[22:35] <dutchie> :P
[22:35] <dutchie> or does sort -u do that?
[22:36] <dutchie> ah, yes
[22:36] <godbyk> sort -u makes it uniq
[22:36] <dutchie> just a | less then :)
[22:36] <dutchie> grep -v '#include ".*"'?
[22:37] <godbyk> dutchie: 1146 if I grep -v '#include "'
[22:38] <dutchie> impressive
[22:38] <godbyk> That's one word for it. :)
[22:38] <godbyk> dutchie: http://code.google.com/p/vrjuggler  if you want to have a poke around.
[22:40] <dutchie> godbyk: http://code.google.com/p/vrjuggler/wiki/BuildingFromSvn?
[22:41] <godbyk> dutchie: Yeah, that's my hell.
[22:41] <godbyk> I've built it countless times before.
[22:41] <godbyk> Apparently, there's a bug in one of the configure scripts at the moment.
[22:41] <dutchie> nice
[22:42] <godbyk> bash doesn't like: if test "x$os_type" = "xWin32"; then INSTALL="blah"; else; fi
[22:42] <godbyk> I think the empty else branch is freaking out bash
[22:42] <godbyk> I've sent them patches to fix their scripts before.
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[22:44] <godbyk> I'm gonna pull the branch instead of the tag and see if they've fixed it.
[22:45] <dutchie> aren't you at iowa state?
[22:45] <godbyk> yep
[22:45] <godbyk> which is the only reason I'm stuck using this POS framework. :)
[22:48] <godbyk> dutchie: the 2.2 branch has a different configure-related bug than the 2.2.1 tag does.
[22:49] <godbyk> fml
[23:02] <c7p> godbyk: I have made the proper changes on the tex file regarding the index. The "problem" is that i have always some issues with the index on the compiled pdf. The index doesn't exist on the pdf
[23:05] <godbyk> c7p: Ah, right. Because you have run another program to create the index.
[23:05] <godbyk> I'll write a small script for you to use to compile your .tex file (without deleting it).
[23:06] <c7p> godbyk: don't bother if it takes time
[23:06] <godbyk> it won't take but a moment.
[23:06] <godbyk> just copy and paste a few lines from the makefile.
[23:08] <c7p> ok then :)
[23:21] <ubuntujenkins> night all
[23:22] <c7p> night ubuntujenkins
[23:35] <c7p> night all
[23:35] <godbyk> G'night, c7p.
[23:36] <godbyk> I'll email this script when I get it finished.
[23:36] <godbyk> (I keep getting distracted.)
[23:36] <c7p> take you time :P it's not even our priority this script, I only have this problem so no big deal :)
[23:37] <godbyk> The script works, I'm just trying to get it to nicely colorize the output ('cause I'm picky that way). :)
[23:37] <c7p> godbyk ok :D, cu tomorrow
[23:37] <godbyk> see ya