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jononigelb, ping?00:32
persiaMight be a bit early yet (5:00 local time there)00:52
nigelbjono: pong03:19
jonohey nigelb03:24
nigelbhello :)03:25
nigelbugh, I hate bugs with 25 differnt tasks just because its the same problem but they all have different solutions :?03:31
nigelb:/03:31
nigelbhyperair: hey, got a min to review a patch for indicator thingy?04:12
hyperairnigelb: not at the moment. maybe this weekend.04:13
hyperairnigelb: what's it about anyway/04:13
nigelbhyperair: that big bug with lots of duplications and some 100 tasks about icons having a color aroudn them04:13
hyperairthat's no indicator, that's notification area!04:13
nigelboh, yeah, that one04:13
nigelbwhatever, ayatana territory :D04:14
hyperairlol04:14
hyperairnot really. ayatana is gearing towards purging the notification area04:14
hyperairnigelb: what app is the patch for anyway?04:14
hyperairnigelb: and does it work?04:14
nigelbI think it should be rejected, I wanted your thoughts ;)04:15
nigelbbug 40313504:15
nigelbbest of luck reading the comments :D04:15
persiaActually, the "ugly colors around the icons in the notification area" class of bugs should be fixed in the individual applications.04:16
persiaIt's just adding appropriate alpha-channel hinting to the icons used for the notification area.  Most of these should be sent upstream.04:16
persiaTrying to hack around it in the notification implementation is not ideal.04:17
nigelbyes, because each of them have a separate fix and not one magical fix for every application04:17
nigelbMost of the fixes are in individual apps. This patch is from upstream I think but I totally cannot figure out their repos04:17
nigelbSo, I figured out a way for Project Cleansweep to make a worklist, finally04:18
nigelbOn one hand, we have the usual subscription, adding a patch tag and subscribing us.04:19
nigelbSo, we'd want the same script subscribing us to the same subset without adding a patch tag and without the date.04:20
nigelbJust run it once and all the subscribed bugs will be the ones we have to clear out04:20
persiaI think that's risky, because lots of old bugs have the patch tag.04:21
nigelbWell, I'm getting to that ;)04:21
nigelbLet me get the query04:22
nigelbhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.subscriber=ubuntu-reviewers&field.tag=-patch-needswork -patch-forwarded-upstream -patch-forwarded-debian -patch-accepted-upstream -patch-accepted-debian -patch-rejected-upstream -patch-rejected-debian -patch-rejected&field.tags_combinator=ALL04:22
nigelbThat ^ should work04:22
persiaThat mixes new and old bugs.04:22
nigelbso all bugs that are not in buckets04:22
persiaWhich means that you don't have a nice line in the sand to target.04:22
nigelbUnfortunately, it was decided to draw a line in sand04:23
hyperairpersia: actually banshee's notif-area upstream has the appropriate alpha-hinting, but for some reason it doesn't work in lucid.04:23
nigelbInstead, I'll be counting everything after a particular date.04:23
nigelbSo, we know how many new came in04:23
hyperairpersia: considering that the same code works perfectly in karmic for most of these apps, i'm thinking there's a regression happening in gtk+, or the theme engines04:23
hyperairpersia: or even gnome-panel04:23
persiahyperair: Ah, yeah, that would be a regression.04:23
hyperairpersia: and it's been happening over and over for years.04:24
hyperairpersia: every time we have a new ubuntu release, this regression happens again, and gets fixed somewhere along the line.04:24
hyperairjust that lucid was unfortunate enough to not get a fix04:24
persianigelb: I think that's extra work for you, and not as visible to others, but if you like.  Were I doing it, I'd modify the script to add the "cleansweep" tag and not subscribe anyone, and tell cleansweepers to remove the cleansweep tag when they hit the bug./04:25
hyperairi don't know who or what fixes it, or even why it occurs.04:25
hyperairwe have cleansweepers?04:25
hyperairand wasn't cleansweep a trademarked name by some windows product or something...04:25
nigelbpersia: I thought of that first.  But that would generate a tremendous amoutn of mail.  At least 1500 bugs with a bunch of subscribers and dups, etc04:26
xnoxhyperair, we are in totally different business =) unless that trademark is owned by Microsoft.....04:26
nigelbhyperair: Norton04:26
hyperairxnox: there we go. Norton.04:26
xnox=(04:26
nigelbwell, this is not a product name04:26
hyperairshouldn't we change the name to avoid violating the trademark?04:26
nigelbIts a Project Name04:26
hyperairit isn't?04:26
hyperairit's the same isn't it, for trademarks?04:27
hyperairif i went and created a team called firefox, that had not relations to mozilla firefox, mozilla would scream.04:27
nigelbOh grr04:27
nigelblets think of that later04:28
nigelbNow, workflow04:28
nigelbpersia: That line, i.e. the new bugs with patches can be measured using a script.04:28
persiaYes, but while it can be measured, it cannot easily be seen.04:29
nigelbI'll ask dholbach to make an image for us that changes every day like the meter04:29
persiaSo there's no way for anyone to know how close they are to target except by reading whatever posts you choose to make.04:29
nigelbShowing the stats is also on my worklist items.  I'm still the processing of figuring out how04:30
nigelb*in the process of04:30
nigelbdholbach made a meter image, I'm thinking of making multiple meters with different numbers, so all those should be satisifed and it can be displayed on some blog for the project, etc04:31
nigelbor everyone can display it04:31
nigelbWell, at least I figured out why colors changed.  My client restarted.08:39
nigelbpersia: will you be around later in the night?13:44
persiaMy intention is to not be (I want to get up early), but I may well :)13:45
nigelbpersia: I'd like you to be around when I talk to brian today, it would be nice if you were there or I'll just take the talk to mail.13:46
persiaHrm.  We've a awkwardness here.  I'm not sure if I'll be around at that point, so I can't usefully inform you if you can send mail or not, which forces you to not send mail, just in case, which then makes you unhappy (regardless of whether I'm around later).13:47
persiaI'll suggest you just send mail, if you're likely to do that anyway, as this will be easier.  If you and I both happen to be around later, the discussion can be based on the mail.  If not, then the mail can stand alone.13:48
nigelbOk.13:48
persiaAnd I don't have to feel like I should stay up, and you don't have to wonder if I will :)13:49
nigelbI'll be staying for a very simple reason, I fell asleep in the afternoon and jumped up thinking its morning, so I doubt if I'll sleep at usual time.13:50
persiaheh.  I know how that goes.13:50
persiaAt least for me, it happens that way more often this time of year because of the weather.13:50
nigelbYeah, weather is awesome here too.  A little bit rainy, so kind of cool.  Very pleant to hear the rain and sleep :)13:51
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duanedesignnigelb: was going to put start putting together some information for the Development FG. Are there any other links other thank what is in the topic that might be good?17:17
duanedesignthan*17:18
nigelbduanedesign: I'm working on updating the docs, so you can start linking up by next week17:49
duanedesignnigelb: that'll be perfect. Thank you17:56
nigelb:)17:56
nigelbduanedesign: also, think of the apport hook writing project which I'm starting to coordinate17:57
nigelbThe idea is to get hooks for as many main applications as possible, especially the ones against which bugs are reported17:57
nigelbYou must've seen mails in the bugsquad list17:58
duanedesignnigelb: i will! All that stufff would be perfect to get the development FG connected up better with the community.17:58
nigelbduanedesign: yep.  so now you have 2 activity which the community wants help.  If you guys want to take over the apport project I'd be happy with that too.17:58
duanedesignill update the councils 'bug' on this and get feesback. Thank you18:01
duanedesignfeedback*18:02
nigelbok :)18:02
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nigelbBlackZ: if you see a new bug with a patch attached, you need not tag it patch and subscribe reviewers.  It will be done automatically19:47
nigelband if its not, let me know.  we'll have to look at what happened there19:52
BlackZOK nigelb19:52
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