[00:19] <Ampersand> Benkinooby:  no.
[00:41] <sharkman> #kubuntu
[00:42] <Ampersand> correct
[00:42] <Ampersand> Heres the answer for 400
[00:42] <Ampersand> These people come into #kubuntu and help other people.
[00:42] <sharkman> well, im in that case
[00:43] <sharkman> it's my first time on irc, and my first hour on kubuntu
[00:43] <Ampersand> congrats
[00:43] <sharkman> and i can't even find a way to change my mouse sensitivity..
[00:43] <sharkman> feel like a noob
[00:45] <Dragnslcr> sharkman- check System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse
[00:46] <Dragnslcr> You're probably looking for Pointer Acceleration under Mouse -> Advanced
[00:48] <sharkman> yeah, i changed it to 0.1, that's better now
[00:48] <sharkman> but it still to be too fast.. (i got a razer and i don't think that drivers exist on linux)
[01:43] <sunny0422> hey guys im having trouble with my sound since i just installed kubuntu can anyone help?
[01:44] <sunny0422> http://pastie.org/972924
[01:48] <Ampersand> what is a pussyroller
[01:48] <moetunes> Ampersand: got something constructive to say?
[01:49] <Ampersand> sorry not at the moment... all my constructors are in php.. I will just google it thanks
[02:25]  * o_a está ausente: Ausente no momento
[02:26]  * o_a voltou.
[02:27] <moetunes> !es | o_a
[02:28] <o_a> moetunes: 1 - It's portuguese; 2 - Sorry, that's an automatic message, respectively for when I go away and for when I come back
[02:28] <moetunes> o_a: you'll get kicked for away mesages mate :]
[02:29] <cuznt> can i run run chkdsk /f on Windows partition while on my ubuntu?
[02:29] <o_a> moetunes: I didn't even set this, that's Konversation's default
[02:30] <o_a> cuznt: If the partition isn't mounted I think you can
[02:30] <moetunes> cuznt: chkdsk is a windows app - so no
[02:31] <o_a> fdisk?
[02:31] <moetunes> e2fsck iirc
[02:32] <cuznt> so i can fix it with linux?
[02:32] <moetunes> sure - unless the prob is windows wasn't shutdown properly
[02:34] <cuznt> http://pastebin.org/268882 error
[02:35] <Ampersand> #Tweets on IRC #tweet
[02:35]  * Ampersand tweets using gopher
[02:36] <moetunes> cuznt: afaik you run chkdsk before booting into windows - don't use windows here
[02:37] <moetunes> is it f8 you press to run chkdsk?
[02:38] <moetunes> at boot
[02:44] <vbgunz> cuznt:
[02:44] <vbgunz> cuznt: you connecting with esata?
[02:57] <Ampersand> cuznt:
[03:50] <jmichaelx> is there anyone else out there who had found the audio situation in 10.04 to be a nightmare?
[03:50] <jmichaelx> ha*
[03:50] <jmichaelx> has*
[03:55] <Guest36490> hey
[03:56] <jmichaelx> let me ask this, does anyone use kubuntu anymore?
[04:12] <Gamarok___> hey guys
[04:30] <Zerb_Riss> I use Kubuntu every day
[05:15] <vinnie> in amarok how do i transfer a podcast to my file system based mp3 player?
[05:59] <InvaderZim> Just had a horrible update from 9.10 to 10.04. Logging in KDM the screen blinks and returns to KDM. X logs has fatal error, tells me framemapping range problem. Something about the driver, SAVAGE it seems. If I try to failsafe X to vesa, the pc hangs. Help?
[06:02] <Scunizi> InvaderZim: it may not have installed the driver correctly.. I just did a apt-cache search savage adn came up with 3 different packages.. try it and see if one of them matches your card.. if you don't know what you card is.. try lspci
[06:03] <InvaderZim> hmm will do
[06:05] <InvaderZim> thx
[06:06] <Scunizi> sure.. after install .. sudo service kdm restart .. if it borks agian have it "reconfigure" the video adn see if that works
[06:13] <jmichaelx> chromium browser makes a stupid sound whenever one of its window buttons is clicked. could someone tell me how i could make it stop doing this?
[06:19] <admin_> hello
[07:42] <horm> /c
[07:48] <bogdan> sal all
[07:50] <bogdan> what SO install ... ubuntu vs mandriva ....
[09:53] <oxymoron> Need help, how to restore MBR on WIndows 7 when Windows recovery CD cannot detect it? :S
[09:53] <bazhang> is this a dual boot with Kubuntu?
[09:53] <oxymoron> bazhang: Yes
[09:54] <bazhang> oxymoron, considered asking in ##windows ?
[09:54] <oxymoron> bazhang: I tried on grub channel yesterday but it didnt work.
[09:54] <bazhang> you wish to fixmbr or fix grub
[09:54] <oxymoron> bazhang: I have also tried different NTFS partition managers on Hirens Boot CD but nobody can do what I want to do.
[09:55] <oxymoron> bazhang: I wish to do whatever it takes to restore Windows somehow.
[09:55] <oxymoron> Grub works
[09:55] <bazhang> oxymoron, did you update grub?
[09:55] <moetunes> but no windows mentioned in grub?
[09:55] <oxymoron> I can select WIndows 7 in grub, but when select I only get GRUB and a blinking "_"
[09:56] <oxymoron> bazhang: Yes of course I updated grub
[09:56] <bazhang> os prober perhaps
[09:56] <moetunes> !grub2
[09:56] <oxymoron> bazhang: Os-prober already done that too, no change
[09:56] <bazhang> does sudo fdisk -l show it
[09:57] <oxymoron> bazhang: http://pastebin.com/C5pxqKZq
[09:58] <oxymoron> bazhang: Its the sdc1 one thats Windows
[09:59] <oxymoron> bazhang: Then something happened with sdb1 when resizing it and then canceled process in Kpartitionmanager .... it says its unformatted but type is somekind of RAW NTFS
[09:59]  * oxymoron doesnt understand why partition tables should be so hard to edit ...
[10:00] <oxymoron> bazhang: SO yes fdisk shows them all
[10:00] <bazhang> oxymoron, tried booting with a livecd/gparted livecd and see what that says?
[10:00] <Ites> what is the commend to delete a torrent from rtorrent ?
[10:01] <bazhang> I would suspect rtorrent has a help file or such
[10:01] <oxymoron> bazhang: Hmm interesting, maybe gaprted livecd could work somehow. But I think somekind of NTFS livecd would work best, some Acronis Disk Manager, but I am not sure I have it.
[10:01] <moetunes> Ites: ctrl+d
[10:01] <bazhang> gparted livecd is only 60MB
[10:02] <oxymoron> bazhang: Space is not a issue ;) Do you think I can place it parallell to Kubuntu LiveCD on my USB stick?
[10:02] <oxymoron> bazhang: Or will it be a conflict?
[10:02] <Ites> thanks
[10:02] <moetunes> np
[10:03] <oxymoron> Then USB stick is faster to live cd boot from than DVD/CD, corret? :)
[10:04]  * oxymoron thinks its funny he got into all this only because KPartitionManager said partition on sdb1 is out of bounds, more cylinders than available ...
[10:04] <oxymoron> Everything worked in his system and sdb1 was mountable
[10:05] <oxymoron> Recommendations on applications and live cds, more than Hirens Boot CD, Windows Recovery CD, Gparted, Linux and so on?
[10:08] <oxymoron> "Search engine overloaded, please try again in a few seconds " lol
[10:10] <oxymoron> Yippie Ki Yay ... Acronis Disk Directory Suite isnt compatible with Windows 7
[10:49] <oxymoron> In Kpartitionmanager: Unknown disk label? what
[10:50] <moetunes> there's been a few mentions in here of kpartitionmanager not playing nice - care to install gparted?
[10:51] <oxymoron> moetunes: Gparted says the same thing ...
[10:52] <moetunes> says something about the disk label then doesn't it
[10:53] <oxymoron> moetunes: Gparted also says unknown disk label and says the partition is unallocated but its NOT. Other NTFS applications in WIndows found it, but they cannot convert it into regular NTFS again :(
[10:54] <oxymoron> If everything is alright in partitions tables, then partition managers is alright, but if something is wrong they doesnt work at all. It is when its fucked up when you ACTUALLY neeed the partition manager not when it works :D
[10:55] <moetunes> oxymoron: naturally ms tools for there own fs will be better but if they can't do anything with it...
[10:55] <tsimpson> oxymoron: I know you know better
[10:55] <moetunes> oxymoron: tried fixmbr?
[10:55] <oxymoron> moetunes: It can do some things, but my opiotns are limited in dos environment ... I need to boot from Windows, but then GRUB cannot bootload into Windows 7 lolllllll
[10:56] <oxymoron> moetunes: fixmbr from where?
[10:56] <moetunes> !fixmbr
[10:56] <oxymoron> tsimpson: Sorry :P
[10:56] <oxymoron> moetunes: I dont want to restore grub, grub works
[10:57] <moetunes> oxymoron: I would go to ##windows and find out how to get the windows bootloader back then reinstall grub once windows boots
[10:57] <oxymoron> moetunes: In #grub they said Windows 7 MBR is overwritten by grub ... and thats why it cannot boot, but how da heck should I fix that? :S
[10:57] <moetunes> oxymoron: 'cause the filesystem isn't right from what you've said
[10:58] <moetunes> oxtmin ##windows they will know how to restore the windows bootloader
[10:58] <oxymoron> moetunes: I have tried to get Windows bootloader back with WIndows Recovery CD but it doesnt find WIndows, hahahaha :D
[10:58] <moetunes> i would do that first
[10:59] <moetunes> oxymoron: then how could you boot it?
[10:59] <oxymoron> Alright, I try Windows but probably would go berserk in there :D
[10:59] <oxymoron> moetunes: I dont know really, before I could boot Windows7 but now I cant. If nothing works I will reinstall clean installation ;)
[10:59] <moetunes> oxymoron: you mentioned stopping a resize in the partition manager?
[11:00] <oxymoron> moetunes: Not a resize, moving actually.
[11:00] <moetunes> k
[11:00] <oxymoron> moetunes: But that was on another drive, not where Windows is isntalled.
[11:01] <oxymoron> moetunes: Its two isolated problems I have, nonbootable Windows on sdc drive and screwed up sdb partition
[11:01] <moetunes> oxymoron: you wouldn't be getting this frustrated if something major isn't borked mate
[11:01] <oxymoron> moetunes: How do you mean?
[11:02] <moetunes> oxymoron: the rescue cd can't find windows and grub can't find windows so something major is wrong - and with stopping the move...
[11:02] <oxymoron> moetunes: Actually I think this is kind of "fun". If nothing works I just do clean install, but I would like to fix it without cleanup as I always do in the end anyway xD
[11:03] <edi_99> Hi guys. How do I check if I have my graphics card drivers installed? Thanks.
[11:03] <oxymoron> moetunes: Yes, something is wrong yes ... But the disks is found and the partiions as well. Now I think I freaked up MBR on Windows more when fixing with fdisk utlities ....
[11:04] <moetunes> oxymoron: from what you said it is a short stick you're using to push things uphill :]
[11:05] <moetunes> edi_99: read the log - /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[11:05] <moetunes> :]
[11:05] <oxymoron> moetunes: Hehe :P I cant understand why the partition managers cannot do anything. There is data there and should/could be converted to regulat NTFS even if its moved and converted to some kind of RAW NTFS data.
[11:06] <oxymoron> moetunes: Regarding Windows I need Windows to fix Windows xD Moment22 :D
[11:06] <oxymoron> Its so ironic, Linux cannot fix Windows and Windows cannot fix Linux :D
[11:06] <moetunes> oxymoron: it is not something I'm too familiar with but isn't raw ntfs unformatted?
[11:07] <oxymoron> moetunes: Yes it says its unformatted ... thats because I cancelled in move process because it went wrong and partition manager frooze when pressed cancel xD
[11:07] <oxymoron> Its not very fun knowing I have 500 GB data in there ...
[11:07] <moetunes> oxymoron: so it won't have data there right?
[11:08] <oxymoron> I have backed up the most important data (Photos)
[11:08] <oxymoron> moetunes: It moved the data and then tonight I moved the data with Acronis Disk Director Suite to the beginning.
[11:08] <moetunes> so no windows os to boot
[11:09] <oxymoron> moetunes: I think the smartest thing todo right now is to do a clean Windows install, I will not loose anything important anyway on WIndows if clean isntall it.
[11:09] <oxymoron> moetunes: Then INSIDE windows I can install proper applications todo more magic that I cannot do in recovery mode
[11:09] <moetunes> oxymoron: would be quicker
[11:10] <oxymoron> moetunes: Yes, it always point to clean install ... sometimes youre lucky fix it but mostly you just screw up more things when trying to fix the real problem :D
[11:10] <Gamarok___> hey guys
[11:11] <oxymoron> moetunes: Like upgrading from Karmic => Lucid is worse than just do a clean install of Lucid over Karmic.
[11:11] <moetunes> oxymoron: it's called digging the hole deeper
[11:11] <oxymoron> moetunes: Hopefully Kubuntu devs will fix it in the future so its forward compatible with itself ... lol
[11:12] <oxymoron> moetunes: Not sure, but I think its the settings in old apps and libraries isnt compatible with the new settings in the new apps (I mean settings in ~ folder)
[11:12]  * oxymoron would like to have some sort of "restore to factory settings" button in Linux :D
[11:13] <oxymoron> And then change which things I want to factory reset
[11:14]  * oxymoron doesnt look forward to burn Windows 7 and install it again ... he hate the screen after loading Windows files, nothing happens in several minutes, just that ugly blue background with the ugly bird :D
[11:15] <oxymoron> If he start to hate all OS so much he maybe get so much energy that he programming hes own freaking OS from scratch in rocket speed :P
[11:16] <moetunes> heh
[11:16] <oxymoron> moetunes: I mean how hard can it be, Bill Gates, Linus Torvalds and those guys could do it, why cant I?
[11:17] <oxymoron> Just odnt know, fixing BIOS => MBR => kernel => desktop => awesomeness ...
[11:17] <oxymoron> Its like million programming lines, probably a lot more :P
[11:18] <oxymoron> Hopefully its possible to go around BIOS and bootload directly from the motherboard signal when press on button :P
[11:19] <oxymoron> moetunes: Hahahahaha damn it, Windows 7 ISO file is on sdb1 ... need to download it again before bruning it lol :D
[11:20] <oxymoron> moetunes: Lucky its 10 MB/s download speed then ...
[11:22] <moetunes> oxymoron: you know what gets said about backups... :]
[11:22] <oxymoron> moetunes: Yeah, that nobody backups ...
[11:22] <moetunes> hehe
[11:23] <oxymoron> moetunes: Companies with big servers does ... regular users doesnt and hopefully never need. Only things I backup is my programming files, the only important things really.
[11:24] <oxymoron> moetunes: But I think I might buy 2x1 TB drive soon for RAID and backup :P Not sure about 80 GB SSD for 250$ though, its not priceworthy
[11:25] <oxymoron> moetunes: Maybe its also time to burn All Macgyver and Prison Break seasons on DVD and store them somewhere else then on my driver ...
[11:25] <oxymoron> moetunes: But I havent seen a big Macgyver SuperBox anywhere here in Sweden, I would maybe buy it if its priceworthy enough.
[11:26] <oxymoron> moetunes: WOW I found IT all 139 episodes in one single box <3
[11:27] <oxymoron> moetunes: Only 179.207 USD ... xD
[11:28] <moetunes> oxymoron: I use an old pent3 for a backup system 'cause you never know when thens will go wrong - and I've just started burning to cd as well
[11:30] <oxymoron> moetunes: Whats pent3? :P What if the computer burn up, the backups was unneccesary? :D
[11:30] <oxymoron> moetunes: Btw, does Kubuntu warn me when one drive is going uhm unuseful? :P
[11:31] <moetunes> oxymoron: pent3 = pentium 3 - and now I'm burning disks and storing them elsewhere
[11:32] <moetunes> oxymoron: there are smarttools for doing that - kubuntu doesn't on it's own afaik
[11:33] <oxymoron> moetunes: Ah, silly me should have guessed that you ment pentium :P I wonder if its "good" doing backups on Blueray discs, like 300 GB discs? :P
[11:34] <moetunes> oxymoron: they will be able to be used on the future default drives I expect
[11:34] <moetunes> !info smartmontools
[11:37] <serbian> just wondering is it possible to change your bios and i know how ridiculous this sound and i should'nt be asking this on the kubuntu support channel but is it possible
[11:38] <oxymoron> serbian: Depends what you mean with change BIOS?
[11:38] <oxymoron> moetunes: Its a lot of DVDs to backup my computer if I say so. I have backed up many things to our NAS Server at home
[11:39] <serbian> well my bios does'nt allow me to select which gpu i want to use but my friend who has a acer is capable of doing it so can you replace your bios
[11:41] <serbian> anyway cya guys later
[11:44] <oxymoron> moetunes: Btw, do you know how to speed up transfer speed to NetGear NAS?
[11:46] <markit> hi, dansguardian package has not upstart script, it relies upon the old mechanism and stops correct shutdown as far as i can understand
[11:46] <markit> any idea about how make it work in a sane way?
[11:46] <moetunes> oxymoron: no not something I use here :]
[11:46] <oxymoron> moetunes: 250 kb/s is a little bit slow on a gigabit network I guess ...
[11:47] <moetunes> way slow
[11:47] <oxymoron> moetunes: At least 50 MB/s should be possible
[11:47] <oxymoron> moetunes: On other hand the NAS is working in RAID mode ...
[11:48] <moetunes> oxymoron: afaik if it is writing to 2 disks the network speed would only be limited by the disk write speed x2
[11:49] <oxymoron> moetunes: Yeah, so its slow anyway. I heard it was problems with firmware long time ago, many people get slow transfer rate on that NAS.
[11:49] <error> hi all. plz tell me how to install ubuntu-one client for kubuntu?
[11:50] <oxymoron> moetunes: Then its on Samba protocol, does that matter a lot?
[11:50] <moetunes> oxymoron: I have no windows in my home :] - so i don't know samba at all
[11:51] <moetunes> !ubuntuone | error
[11:51] <error> thank you
[11:52] <moetunes> np :]
[11:56] <oxymoron> moetunes: I think samba could slow down a little
[11:57] <moetunes> oxymoron: I have heard it is chatty on the network - that could slow it up some
[11:58] <moetunes> oxymoron: it is prob firmware/hardware on the nas if it isn't newish
[12:00] <oxymoron> moetunes: I am downloading raidar and radiator now to test upgrade it and see if any difference :)
[12:00] <moetunes> luck :]
[12:16] <oxymoron> moetunes: lol on this: http://pastebin.com/J1xZRPet
[12:17] <oxymoron> moetunes: Sorry this http://pastebin.com/96MKBFap
[12:17] <moetunes> oxymoron: like an os with your browsers :[
[12:17] <moetunes> oops :]
[12:18] <oxymoron> moetunes: /usr/bin/firefox exist but it doesnt find it and I cant understand why it need it anyway to install the freaking NAS GUI :D
[12:19] <oxymoron> moetunes: I guess I have to edit the *.sh file manually ...
[12:23] <amichair_> can kubuntu completely hibernate a netbook? I can get it to partially hibernate, but eventually the battery dies within a day (in windows hibernation there is no problem)
[12:26] <oxymoron> moetunes: Yay, Kate cannot open the *.sh file, freezes ...
[12:28] <moetunes> oxymoron: try after doing   chmod -x   the sh file
[12:29] <oxymoron> moetunes: Already done that.
[12:29] <moetunes> k
[12:30] <oxymoron> moetunes: Weird sudo bash ./*.sh works
[12:31] <Benkinooby> hi, can some1 tell me, why ksysguard and gkrellm are showing me around 10% mem-usage, while my dock (right border) is showing me 35%? also htop writes 192/2004MB (wich is around 10%) but indicates around 30% with the memorybar... http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/8263/loaddifference.jpg
[12:36] <oxymoron> moetunes: I guess I have to install raidar in Windows as well then
[12:36] <oxymoron> moetunes: Oh and btw, do you know if its possible to make unrar/ark using the option -kb by default always when extractin archives?
[12:36] <moetunes> oxymoron: that's a bummer
[12:36] <Unibozu> Benkinooby: i think that your dock use the whole memory used (with the cached memory), instead of htop wich show you the real memory used
[12:37] <moetunes> oxymoron: maybe an alias in .bashrc?
[12:37] <Benkinooby> Unibozu: the cached memory = swap?
[12:38] <Unibozu> as i know, cached memory is some memory that stay after you close your app. This can speedup your next app launching
[12:39] <Unibozu> but this fragments can be overwriten if you need more memory
[12:39] <oxymoron> moetunes: I got it working with "sudo bash ./RAIDar_Linux_4_1_6.sh -c" in console mode ...
[12:40] <Benkinooby> Unibozu: ure right, i changed the indication of my meroy to text instead of bar and see: 216M used, 53M buffered, 480M cached
[12:40] <Unibozu> the swap is used if you dont have enought memory for your running app. So the system will use this space
[12:40] <Unibozu> ;)
[12:40] <oxymoron> moetunes: Damn it, password protected and dont remember password
[12:41] <Benkinooby> Unibozu: so di i need to care about cached memory? will it influnece my memory/system in a negive way?
[12:41] <Unibozu> Kubuntu loves cached memory. I have always 4Go memory used, with sometimes 2.5Go cached
[12:41] <Benkinooby> Go?
[12:42] <Benkinooby> gigabyte?
[12:42] <Unibozu> no. This memory is only to speedup app launching. If your running app need more memory, the system will automatically delete some cached memory
[12:42] <Unibozu> yes
[12:42] <Benkinooby> ah ok... i was ust wondering that my system needs abotu 30% memory while running fluxbox... :P
[12:43] <Benkinooby> ok thanks :D... no i can keep on working on my syste in peace :D
[12:43] <Unibozu> ;)
[12:43] <moetunes> oxymoron: not having much luck lately mate :[
[12:43] <Benkinooby> no -> now
[12:44] <oxymoron> moetunes: No not really ...
[12:49] <Benkinooby> exit
[12:49] <Benkinooby> quit
[12:49] <Benkinooby> :P
[12:49] <Benkinooby> too much sued to xterm :D
[12:49] <Benkinooby> used
[12:50] <moetunes> heh
[12:51] <oxymoron> moetunes: Parents should never password protect things, if password then children should to lock them out.
[12:51] <moetunes> hehe - but if they don't and yhe kids find the option...
[12:52] <moetunes> s/yhe/the
[12:52] <oxymoron> moetunes: .... Parent always forget their pass, kids dont. At least I never forget my passwords, even if theyre like 30 characters long.
[12:52] <amichair_> is the netbook menu configurable?
[12:53] <amichair_> (yet?)
[12:53] <moetunes> oxymoron: would a hard reset of the nas help go back to gefaults?
[12:53] <oxymoron> moetunes: I saw parent control app on ubuntu before, hahaha I laughed my ass off :D
[12:53] <moetunes> heh
[12:53] <oxymoron> moetunes: Yes hard reset possible but would like to not restart it.
[12:53] <moetunes> k :]
[12:55] <oxymoron> moetunes: Damn it and my dad doesnt answer in phone either ... this isnt my day :D
[12:56] <oxymoron> moetunes: I also got CRC extract error on Windows 7 ... so "unrar e -kb package.rar" ... and now finally I can burn it. Hopefully I dont install a clean copy on wrong partition :D
[12:57] <moetunes> oxymoron: might be time to walk away and do something else for a while :]
[12:57] <oxymoron> moetunes: Weird that I aint pissed off yet I must say, I am really calm :D I guess I trained my self-control well :P
[12:57] <moetunes> heh :]
[12:57] <oxymoron> moetunes: The problems wont disappear anyway ...
[12:58] <moetunes> oxymoron: nope they'll still be there
[12:58] <oxymoron> moetunes: I havent done anything wrong, the problem is (Sorry eveyrone) crappy programmers
[12:59] <ForgeAus> hmmm why do kdelibs4c2a and kdelibs4c2a-kde3 clash? :(
[12:59] <oxymoron> moetunes: The only bad move I did was resizing the sdb1 partition and press cancel because someway it didnt only resize, it was moving it first and that would have take forever.
[13:00] <moetunes> oxymoron: stoping that sort of thing is rarely good
[13:00] <oxymoron> moetunes: The reason I was resizing it was because the cylinders was out of bounds, that wasnt my fault.
[13:00] <moetunes> no
[13:01] <oxymoron> moetunes: Well rather stop it than wait for 500 GB moving to the left a little bit on the hdd.
[13:01] <moetunes> for sure
[13:01] <bazhang> you should not interrupt such actions
[13:01] <oxymoron> moetunes: I thought on cancel it would rollback, but appararently programmers isnt that skilled doing transaction mode on partitionmanagers with commit and rollback options ...
[13:01] <bazhang> nothing to do with programmers
[13:02] <oxymoron> bazhang: Well, if not I shouldnt be able to do such action? :P
[13:02] <oxymoron> bazhang: Programmers should limit to lock the cancel button then
[13:02] <bazhang> trying things you aren't overly familiar with, then cancelling them out is not optimal
[13:03] <oxymoron> In other partition managers if you press cancel nothing happens or you gett rollbacl
[13:03] <oxymoron> *get rollback
[13:03] <oxymoron> bazhang: I am familiar with it, not familiar with this things
[13:07] <oxymoron> bazhang: Sorry my gf called me so I typed wrong in my unfocus ... I meant that I am familiar with this kind of things, but I thought Linux were able to paus and rollback things or at least not crash when press cancel ...
[13:08] <markit> I've no audio board. I can't shutdown properly until I kill kmix! Any idea?
[13:10] <markit> (if I try to remove kmix package, it wants to remove kubuntu-desktop as well)
[13:10] <oxymoron> bazhang: Its weird all partition managers I have been using today (around 10 different ones), all of them show different things xD
[13:11] <oxymoron> bazhang: The only one that find my partition correctly is Acronis
[13:11] <oxymoron> bazhang: Acronis cant convert it into true NTFS in recovery mode though, need to be done inside Windows ... which take me to my Windows problem :D
[13:12] <moetunes> markit: tried   killall -v kmix   ?
[13:12]  * oxymoron is gone for awhile installing crappy Windows ... cya all and thanks moetunes, bazhang abd everyone else for your patience, help and listen to my "bullshit" in this channel! :D
[13:12] <markit> moetunes: works fine, and is why I know that after that shutdown works perfectly
[13:12] <markit> but can't tell the teacher of the school to do it everytime he has to turn it off
[13:13] <markit> moetunes: so I need kmix not to start at the first place
[13:15] <moetunes> markit: I'm not sure where kmix starts from but you could add killall kmix to autostarted apps
[13:30] <markit> moetunes: thanks, but I would like it not to damage my shutdown, or not to start at all
[13:31] <markit> I'm hunting the cause of the shutdown problem since 3 days
[13:31] <markit> has been just luck I've at least figure out what's wrong
[13:31] <markit> wondering if there is a log somewhere about the shutdown process
[13:33] <invzim> Help, upgraded from 9.10 to 10.04, now X won't login. At KDM, when I type user/pass screen blinks and returns to KDM. X log tells me driver problem, savage driver, some problem with framemapping range. Tried changing to vesa failsafe, or any other driver, and then KDM doesnt start, X just hangs forever. Any fix anyone?
[13:37] <markit> invzim: mmm I've no idea. Maybe have a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[13:37] <invzim> I did
[13:37] <markit> or add a different user and try to login with it, if happens after login
[13:37] <invzim> i said, some driver problem
[13:38] <effie_jayx> hello all, I am having issue with knetworkmanager, it says "Network management disabled"
[13:38] <effie_jayx> I see that my computer is not asking me for my password for kdewallet
[13:38] <effie_jayx> and I am thinking that might be it
[13:39] <effie_jayx> I do not know if I should add the interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces or if it is done by knetworkmanagement
[13:39] <legodude> hi, how do I change the default kernel? I just installed preempt and it keeps defaulting to -generic
[13:55] <invzim> Help, upgraded from 9.10 to 10.04, now X won't login. At KDM, when I type user/pass screen blinks and returns to KDM. X log tells me driver problem, savage driver, some problem with framemapping range. Tried changing to vesa failsafe, or any other driver, and then KDM doesnt start, X just hangs forever. Any fix anyone?
[13:56] <neo_> you may check your sources and reinstall kde?
[14:00] <markit> internet: a 10.04 live cd works?
[14:00] <markit> sorry
[14:00] <oxymoron> Hmm VirtualBox ... why havent I or anybody else tipped me of that? :D
[14:00] <markit> invzim has gone, and autocompletion went to "internet" nik
[14:05] <janis> hello
[14:19] <markit> any tip about how to prevent kmix to run? is kde insides a secret or am I googling wrong?
[14:19] <markit> lot of outdated or confused or not working tips around
[14:19] <markit> should be a simple mechanism somewhere
[14:20] <adrin> am a newbie in kubuntu..
[14:21] <harjot> markit:
[14:21] <harjot> markit: are you trying to disable kmix?
[14:21] <harjot> anybody know how to scan over network?
[14:22] <markit> harjot: if kmix is running, shutdown hangs, so I have to kill it manually each time... prefer not having it started at all
[14:22] <harjot> ok
[14:22] <harjot> markit: it shouldnt hang
[14:23] <harjot> markit: are you on kde3 or kde4?
[14:23] <markit> harjot: kde 4.4.3 kubuntu 10.04
[14:23] <harjot> ok
[14:23] <ForgeAus> should kdelibs4c2a be incompatible with kdelibs4c2a-kde3?
[14:23] <markit> is the ltsp server of the school, I'm despereate :(
[14:23] <harjot> markit: you could have a little autorun thing that starts when you login, and it kills kmix
[14:24] <markit> is really a war against the wind... ton of time wasted in trying to set things up globally, and now this problem
[14:24] <markit> harjot: possible that you can't decide what autoruns or not?
[14:24] <harjot> markit: yes
[14:25] <harjot> markit: there is a gui for that let me find it
[14:25] <harjot> open kcontrol
[14:25] <harjot> run kcontrol
[14:25] <markit> I've no sound board, but kmix starts, funny no?
[14:25] <harjot> yup
[14:25] <harjot> weird
[14:25] <harjot> but i dont think it bothers to detect, it just starts up
[14:25] <markit> harjot: ok, kcontrol (Iì've the italian version, so I have to remap what you say)
[14:25] <harjot> ok
[14:26] <harjot> let me see if there is a runlevel thing for it
[14:26] <markit> thanks
[14:26] <markit> but what I'm sad for is all this "hunting and guessing" for basic functionality and setup
[14:27] <markit> it's eating hours and hours of my time
[14:27] <harjot> actually, have you tried closing kmix, setting the login manager to continue previous session and then log out and in?
[14:27] <markit> harjot: I've 100 users, I need a global solution
[14:27] <harjot> Hmmm
[14:27] <harjot> That would be what i did, but you could just create a kill script
[14:28] <markit> removing the package tells that there are dependencies with the desktop, and want to remove the desktop
[14:28] <markit> harjot: because it's an hack, and sooner or later you will pay for it
[14:28] <markit> and I hardly belive that I'm hostage of KDE
[14:28] <harjot> Ha, ok i will look for a more global solution
[14:28] <harjot> just a sec
[14:29] <markit> I've the bad feeling that desktop development has forgot that we are on a multiuser system
[14:29] <markit> so you can't have configuration be able to be made only at user level
[14:29] <markit> harjot: thanks a lot, I'm so tired and hungry that I can't find/fight anymore
[14:32] <markit> maybe I've to manually remove /usr/share/autostart/kmix_autostart.desktop
[14:32] <harjot> Yes\
[14:32] <harjot> That looks like it
[14:32] <harjot> That prob will work
[14:32] <harjot> Try it and let me know
[14:32] <markit> so for each feature is a matter of diggin for hours and guess what to do and do it manually
[14:33] <markit> and once I will plug a sound card in that server, I'm doomed with kmix, except if I copy that file somewhere and remember to restore it
[14:36] <markit> ok, moved the file in /root, and rebooting
[14:37] <markit> still running :(
[14:38] <markit> restore_kmix_volumes.desktop:Exec=kmixctrl --restore
[14:38] <markit> maybe I have to modify those files also
[14:38] <markit> seems a nightmare to me
[14:39] <markit> btw, reboot works fine, is shutdown that hangs
[14:40] <markit> and only with the new video card
[14:40] <markit> and seems not to hang if I reinstall it partially
[14:40] <markit> so I'm in a really confused and impossible to debug condition
[14:41] <markit> shutdown process seems to produce no logs, maybe log daemon is killed first
[14:41] <invzim> After horrible upgrade from karmic to lucid, I find a weird workaround. KDM screen used to blink when I logged in and a fatal X server was logged. So I stopped kdm, rmmod savage (video driver), modprobe savagefb, and type startx from the console instead of going to kdm. And now I am running here! What is going on? How can I make it work the right way?
[14:42] <markit> seems kdeinit4 is who runs kmix
[14:46] <harjot> markit: IM on kde3 so i wouldnt really know
[14:46] <markit> harjot: lol, thanks anyway
[14:46] <harjot> np
[14:51] <harjot> markit: so did you remove the file in /usr/share/autostart?
[14:51] <harjot> Because apparently thats where it is
[14:51] <markit> yes, I did
[14:52] <harjot> Did it work?
[14:52] <markit> not at all
[14:52] <harjot> Does kmix still launch?
[14:52] <markit> kmix runs (ps -A | grep kmix)
[14:52] <markit> ps ax | grep kmix shows is run by kdeinit4
[14:52] <harjot> Yes that is true
[14:53] <harjot> Kdeinit4 does run it
[14:53] <markit> I'll try to remove kmix program entirely then
[14:53] <harjot> wont that remove the desktop
[14:54] <markit> harjot: I'm really too tired and depressed
[14:54] <markit> I also fought with my children and wife because I needed silence
[14:54] <harjot> Oh
[14:54] <markit> but is sunday, and I'm still wasing my life and time with those crap
[14:55] <harjot> Try and find out if there are any parameters that allow you to force an uninstall
[14:55] <harjot> Ignoring all dependants
[14:55] <markit> harjot: do you really think is sane have to act this way just to prevent a program to run?
[14:55] <harjot> Its far fetched
[14:55] <markit> I hated M$os because I felt be subjugated by what they want me to do
[14:56] <harjot> What?
[14:56] <markit> like when you buy a laptop and is full of useless programs that popup everytime
[14:56] <markit> phone, hold on
[14:56] <harjot> ok
[15:00] <leonet> Hola usuarios de kubuntu
[15:00] <harjot> markit: try doing a 'locate kmix' and it will find any kmix files
[15:00] <leonet> un saludo muy especial por su buen gusto
[15:01] <leonet> acabo de instalar kubuntu 10
[15:01] <markit> harjot: funny, I've moved /usr/bin kmix in /root, but still runs !!!
[15:01] <markit> is a sort of hilander...
[15:01] <harjot> theres one called kmixctrl
[15:02] <p18> nn
[15:02] <harjot> markit: do the locate thing]
[15:02] <harjot> markit: locate kmix
[15:02] <markit> I've done
[15:02] <leonet> y tengo un pequeño problema con el arroba de mi teclado
[15:03] <leonet> funciona en open office
[15:03] <markit> but find  / -iname kmix -type f -> /root/kmix
[15:03] <leonet> pero no en lkos formularios web
[15:04] <markit> maybe I've to move somewhere else
[15:04] <leonet> inluso en este programa @
[15:04] <harjot> why is it in root?
[15:04] <harjot> !it|leonet
[15:05] <leonet> español...spanish
[15:05] <markit> still running
[15:05] <markit> harjot: I've moved it there from /usr/sbin
[15:06] <markit> harjot: leonet is spanish, not italian
[15:06] <harjot> sorry
[15:06] <leonet> yes
[15:06] <markit> sorry, some mental lag ;)
[15:06] <harjot> whats the spanish one?
[15:06] <markit> maybe #ubuntu-es
[15:06] <markit> if existst
[15:06] <harjot> ye
[15:06] <wa1hco> Problem with kwallet on ubuntu Lucid, it runs but doesn't put up a display.  Any ideas?
[15:06] <harjot> I need to got for a while, market, 5 mins
[15:06] <markit> btw, can't undestand the kmix process what program is it
[15:07] <leonet> uso kubuntu in spanish
[15:07] <markit> 1391 ?        Sl     0:00 kdeinit4: kmix [kdeinit] -session 1013ee0ebd8000127462037400000019380005_1274620396_106071
[15:08] <leonet> podrian poner el link para canal irc spanish
[15:08] <leonet> mi teclado no me pone el numeral
[15:08] <leonet> tks
[15:08] <markit> leonet: no habla spanish qui
[15:09] <markit> io son italiano
[15:15] <aar>  Hi, I'm using kde4 on Ubuntu 10.04. I've noticed the trash icon shows the number of files in the bin, but is there any waw of getting it to display the memory these files take up (e.g. in mb)?
[15:19] <leonet>  #kubuntu-es
[15:20] <wa1hco> Anyone know about kwallet problem?
[15:25] <ForgeAus> I call kwallet an annoyance but I havn't had it be a problem as yet
[15:29] <wa1hco> kwallet has my passwords and since upgrading to Lucid, it shows in ps but doesn't display
[15:33] <ForgeAus> its generally in the system tray... hmm...
[15:33] <ForgeAus> also it has system settings (in th advaned tab)
[15:38] <wa1hco> ForgeAus: What advanced tab are you referring to?
[15:40] <Scunizi> Tried to reboot after doing the upgrade and the system says cannot start ksmserver.. how do I fix that?  Tried running update, upgrade, dis-upgrade from cli already with no effect
[15:40] <invzim> Having the weirdest problem. I've upgraded my distro, and now when KDM starts, after I log in, screen blinks and returns to KDM. X log says fatal error, some framemapping range problem with savage driver. However, if I stop X, rmmod savage, modprobe savagefb and startx (instead of kdm), X runs ok... But I tried putting savagefb on xorg.conf, but it doesn't know the module. Any ideas?
[16:02] <wa1hco> Kwallet problem work around:  /Applications/System Tools/ pulldown wants to start it with "kwalletmanager %u".  But when started at the command line with "kwalletmanager kdewallet Personal" (for the two .kwl files), it puts up the displays.  I moved the passwords over to seahorse for backup.  When closing the displays, it doesn't leave anything visble in the toolbar.
[16:12] <harjot> markit: are you still there?
[16:17] <markit> harjot: yes, I've got help from #kde
[16:17] <markit> seems is a module
[16:17] <harjot> ok
[16:17] <harjot> Really?
[16:17] <markit> you have to remove kmix_autostart.desktop but will work only for new sessions
[16:18] <markit> since kde saves session, it runs again, so you have to act at sessions also
[16:18] <markit> not figured out how to do
[16:18] <markit> but now I'm trying the second install
[16:18] <markit> there kmix does not prevent correct shutdown, so is the interaction with something else
[16:18] <markit> maybe is easier fix that "something else"
[16:18] <harjot> jjuusstt  aa  sseecc  mmyy  kkeeyybbooaarrdd
[16:18] <markit> in any case, I'm really tired
[16:19] <harjot> ttrryy  uunnllooaaddiinngg  aallssaa
[16:19] <harjot> ii  nneeeeedd  ttoo  rreessttaarrtt
[16:20] <markit> kmix problems? ;P
[16:21] <harjot> markit: did you try unloading alsa?
[16:23] <markit> harjot: no, I take note of this tip also, thanks
[16:24] <harjot> try unloading it then shutting down
[16:24] <harjot> markit: it might work
[16:25] <BluesKaj> markit,    got pulseaudio ?
[16:26] <markit> BluesKaj: ? hte trouble is never run kmix :)
[16:30] <BluesKaj> markit, you mean you hadn't configured kmix or alsa ctrls ?
[16:33] <markit> BluesKaj: I mean that kmix prevents shutdown to work fine, so I have it not to start
[16:33] <markit> but seems a overcomplicated goad il kde world
[16:33] <markit> but don't think about it, I'm trying a different route right now
[16:33] <harjot> i read about it in kde
[16:47] <tdn> How do I make a script run every time a certain usb storage device or SD-card is inserted? (like for automatic copying of images from digital camera)
[16:54] <BluesKaj> tdn, you shouldn't need a script to run. The usb or sdcard should be auto detected and show up in the panel as a detected device, or in dolphin 'places'
[16:57] <ybit> any ideas why the comp is slow?
[16:58] <neo_> ubuntu german
[16:58] <ybit> i recently upgraded to the latest ubuntu release and the computer is running slower now
[16:58] <ybit> i was trying to record some cool stuff from my webcam and the comp couldn't keep up
[17:00] <BluesKaj> ybit, check your system monitor to see what is using up your cpu
[17:00] <ybit> BluesKaj: i have, there's really nothing there
[17:00] <ybit> i wonder if its because i only have 2gb of hdd space left
[17:01] <BluesKaj> yeah, that's probly it...doh!
[17:02] <BluesKaj> how large is the hdd?
[17:03] <froglet> I have a laptop with 64 bit Intel CPU, is there an ISO for Intel or should I use the one for 64 bit AMD?
[17:05] <ybit> BluesKaj: 160gb
[17:05] <ybit> this particular partition is 80gb
[17:06] <BluesKaj> ybit, too much data, 78G on an 80G hdd will make it slow for sure
[17:07] <BluesKaj> ybit, and how much memory , especially if the 2G is aswap file ?
[17:10] <ybit> BluesKaj: i have 2gb of ram
[17:10] <ybit> dunno how much swap i have
[17:11] <ybit> not sure how ubuntu defaults for this
[17:14] <BluesKaj> ybit, when you partition a drive linux aleays make a swap 1.5X your installed RAM
[17:14] <BluesKaj> err always
[17:16] <ybit> i have 11gb of space left and it still can't process video from the webcam like it did once
[17:17] <ybit> i'm going to try gnome just to see...
[17:22] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: May I ask you, do you know if VirtualBox is able to access harddrives in partition managers?
[17:23] <BluesKaj> oxymoron, yeah I think so but you'd probly only have read access, no write acces
[17:23] <oxymoron> Then I wonder, how to do use the NFS protocol instead of Smaba in Linux?
[17:23] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: How?
[17:24] <BluesKaj> depends on the OS in VB
[17:24] <ybit> yar, slow in gnome as well
[17:24] <ybit> slow == unable to record
[17:24] <ybit> would try xmonad, but i don't know why it's not loading...
[17:24]  * ybit tries awesome
[17:24] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: Windows 7?
[17:25] <BluesKaj> oxymoron, ahh, windows 7 doesn't see linux partitions afaik
[17:26] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: Well that doesnt matter, I only need NTFS ones
[17:26] <BluesKaj> I have W& partition on this laptop and it doesn't see the ext4
[17:26] <BluesKaj> W7
[17:27] <txwikinger> oxymoron: pcnfs
[17:29] <oxymoron> txwikinger: The package pcnfs?
[17:29] <txwikinger> yes
[17:29] <oxymoron> txwikinger: Not found?
[17:29] <txwikinger> With that you can mount nfs exports in linux into windows
[17:29] <ybit> hrm, i'm actually able to play the video within awesome, but the video is highly choppy, just like cheese showed it as being recorded
[17:30] <txwikinger> it is a windows package
[17:30] <ybit> it records just like it did in gnome and kde though
[17:31] <BluesKaj> BBL ..
[17:33] <markit> how things are becoming overcomplicated :( new grub, can't understand easely the boot choices I will have
[17:36] <markit> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet nosplash"
[17:36] <markit> update-grub
[17:37] <markit> but when I shutdown, I still have the spalsh screen, any idea?
[17:37] <oxymoron> txwikinger: LOL, I dont use Windows
[17:37] <oxymoron> txwikinger: NFS in Kubuntu please
[17:37] <txwikinger> [12:24:51] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: Windows 7?
[17:38] <obreiro> hello to everybody. I need a kde expert xD
[17:38] <oxymoron> txwikinger: LOL, that was another questionn regarding VirtualBox xD
[17:38] <obreiro> I have automatic login with kdm
[17:38] <txwikinger> Ah
[17:39] <obreiro> but each time I login, kdeinit prompt to kdesudo
[17:39] <obreiro> asking me the pass
[17:39] <txwikinger> what is your question about nfs with kubuntu?
[17:39] <obreiro> I don't know who launch this kdesudo
[17:39] <oxymoron> txwikinger: How to access NFS units from Kubuntu on the network?
[17:39] <obreiro> I havn't programs in ~/.kde/Autostart
[17:39] <txwikinger> obreiro: what apps are automatically launched?
[17:39] <iconmefisto> markit: the settings are for booting, not shutdown. next time you boot, the splash should be gone on boot and shutdown
[17:40] <obreiro>  txwikinger none
[17:40] <txwikinger> even not because they ran when you logged out?
[17:40] <obreiro> some days ago I deleted a sound card of the configuration. maybe this the cause?
[17:40] <obreiro>  txwikinger I don't understand
[17:40] <markit> iconmefisto: I've rebooted multiple times since I changed the config :(
[17:40] <txwikinger> oxymoron: mount -t nfs <nfs-drive>
[17:40] <obreiro> i think not
[17:41] <oxymoron> txwikinger: How do I know the nfs-drive then? :S
[17:41] <iconmefisto> markit: and you still see the boot splash?
[17:41] <txwikinger> oxymoron: it is in the export file
[17:41] <markit> yes, that's the ugly problem
[17:42] <markit> in a different system, nospash and force=apcwuatever worked
[17:42] <iconmefisto> markit: try removing it altogether, instead of "nosplash"
[17:42] <markit> maybe I mistyped the nosplash, but I dubt
[17:42] <oxymoron> txwikinger: Wheres the export files then?
[17:42] <txwikinger> oxymoron: /etc/export
[17:47] <oxymoron> txwikinger: How to add a entry there? I want to access my NAS server
[17:47] <txwikinger> !nfs | oxymoron
[17:49] <markit> iconmefisto: ok, no more spash, thanks
[17:50] <iconmefisto> markit: oh, you mean that worked? I thought removing splash was equivalent to nosplash
[17:50] <iconmefisto> must have changed recently
[17:51] <markit> really recently
[17:52] <markit> I'm starting to hate FOSS a little
[17:52] <markit> btw, I've a ltsp server that does not shutdown anymore, I've reinstalled a basic system (without ltsp, squid, dansguardian, etc) and testing
[17:53] <markit> seems that installing digikam or scribus-ng is the cause
[17:53] <markit> or you can kill kmix instead
[17:53] <oxymoron> txwikinger: Thanks, now it works :)
[17:53] <markit> really trouble problem :(
[17:53] <txwikinger> markit: #ubuntu-server
[17:54] <markit> txwikinger: do you think? this test machine has kubuntu desktop, no audio board, and the problem I'm describing
[17:54] <txwikinger> markit: why do you have client apps on a server?
[17:54] <markit> you can a) install those programs and then kill kmix every time, b) not install those programs
[17:55] <markit> txwikinger: don't try to solve the problem with questions about the implementation decision
[17:55] <markit> you will not fix bugs this way :)
[17:56] <txwikinger> markit: Well..I cannot solve something which I don't no the reasons for a non-default configuration
[17:56] <markit> txwikinger: so you could ask "why install scribus-ng?" or "why kde"?
[17:56] <txwikinger> markit: if you want help, you maybe should have some respect.. Otherwise people who are volunteers have no interest in helping you
[17:57] <markit> txwikinger: I don't want fight, but don't understand why if someone says that thing A is broken, very often receive the answer "why not use B?" or "why A?"
[17:57] <markit> just a matter of curiosity
[17:58] <markit> because this way you have to spend some hours explaining people why you are donig what you are doing
[17:58] <markit> and at the end, once you have convinced them
[17:58] <markit> you get a "I don't know" :)
[17:58] <markit> sorry if I sounded harsh, not my intention
[17:58] <txwikinger> markit: because it can be at least or workaroudn to use something different, or you try to understand more what the issue is
[17:58] <markit> (btw, I'm working at the other pc at teh same time)
[17:58] <txwikinger> At lot of people ask questions here that try to do something that is not possible in this way
[17:59] <markit> txwikinger: ok, belive me, installing those two programs should be possible in a simple plain desktop installation :)
[18:00] <markit> mmm installing digikam and scribus-nd, triggers the problem, removing digikam does not solve, seems is scribus, so strange, let's remove it as well
[18:00] <txwikinger> sure.. but you were talking ltsp..Do you mean the server itself, or a client running on the ltsp?
[18:01] <markit> txwikinger: oh, I've very sorry, I created confusion, I cleared it probably but sure you did not noticed
[18:01] <markit> since ltsp is more "attracting" in bug huntnig
[18:01] <markit> I have the problem in the ltsp server of the school
[18:01] <markit> but since I've 2 hd
[18:01] <markit> I removed the ltsp one
[18:01] <markit> formatted the second one and put as sda1
[18:01] <markit> sda
[18:01] <markit> and reinstalled kubuntu 10.04 from scratch
[18:02] <markit> as simple desktop installation
[18:02] <markit> without issues
[18:02] <markit> the I reinstalled the "desktop" applications I have in ltsp server
[18:02] <markit> until I triggered the same problem
[18:04] <markit> txwikinger: the funny and ugly thing is that you have multiple way to temporaney solve the problem
[18:04] <markit> i.e. use the on board video instead of a radeon 4550
[18:04] <txwikinger> well. most problems can be solvedindifferent ways
[18:04] <markit> or kill kmix before shutdown
[18:04] <markit> or, let's see, don't install scribus-nd
[18:05] <jussi> markit: Have you filed a bug for this?
[18:05] <markit> or shutdown before login
[18:05] <markit> jussi: I've no idea about what is really happening!
[18:05] <jussi> markit: just describe what you can see.
[18:05] <jussi> at least then people with the correct expertise can look and get it fixed/ask questions of you
[18:06] <markit> jussi: a bug is a reproducible way of have a misbehaviour, not some sensations :)
[18:06] <oxymoron> jussi: TO store data, ext3 and ext4, which one is best/stable/efficient?
[18:06] <markit> jussi: yes, sure, but not until I've reached my limits
[18:06] <jussi> oxymoron: Ive absolutely no idea
[18:07] <markit> urgh, removing scribus-ng did not fix
[18:07] <markit> seems something random
[18:11] <markit> Init: disconnected from system bus
[18:11] <markit> and nothing more :(
[18:11] <markit> reboot works instead
[18:11] <markit> plain installation worked, then I installed some programs, did not anymore. I aptitude purged, but does not fix
[18:11] <markit> really weird
[18:11] <tdn> How do I make a script run every time a certain usb storage device or SD-card is inserted? (like for automatic copying of images from digital camera)
[18:12] <txwikinger> tdn: You could trigger it of an upstart event
[18:17] <markit> desperate situation :(
[18:17] <markit> it's since 11am that I'm trying to fix
[18:18] <vince> WHat are you trying to fix ?
[18:20] <markit> vince: if I shut down (removing splash to see the writing) I have
[18:20] <markit> Init: disconnected from system bus
[18:20] <markit> and system does not stop
[18:20] <markit> reboot works
[18:20] <markit> if I kill kmix before shutdown works
[18:20] <markit> before I installed some program everything worked
[18:20] <vince> that's odd
[18:21] <markit> (but purging them did not fixed)
[18:21] <markit> and using the onboard (indecent) video board seems to work also
[18:22] <vince> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/418560
[18:22] <markit> ok, so my only hope now is use the "kmix" thing and try not to have it loaded
[18:22] <markit> vince: I've tried all the kernels, old and new (2.6.34), but same problem
[18:23] <vince> do you need kmix ?
[18:24] <markit> vince: no, but removing it is really a pain
[18:24] <markit> and I don't think is the root of the bug
[18:24] <markit> but is the only way left
[18:24] <vince> ok
[18:25] <vince> there's a French thread on the problem, i'll look into it
[18:26] <markit> vince: thanks a lot
[18:26] <vince> have you tried to shutdown via terminal ?
[18:26] <markit> same problem
[18:27] <markit> you can shutdown before login  graphically, and is ok, since kmix is not loaded
[18:27] <markit> but once is loaded, only reboot works
[18:27] <markit> if you install from scratch, with kmix, you can shutdown
[18:27] <vince> you're running lucid ?
[18:27] <markit> once I installed digikam, scribus-ng and some other pograms, I triggered the bug again
[18:28] <markit> yes, kubuntu 10.04 with aptitude full-upgrade
[18:28] <vince> doesn't seem to be kmix-related
[18:29] <markit> also if I remove the amd 4550 video board, it works fine
[18:29] <champt10> is there a Kubuntu installer for Windows?
[18:29] <markit> at least, last time I tried
[18:30] <vince> maybe you can add a launcher or smg...kill plasma-desktop first, then shutdown
[18:30] <vince> would be better than nothing
[18:31] <markit> vince: I'm not that good in making kde do what I want
[18:31] <markit> to be sincere, I'm a little upset with it
[18:31] <vince> well it seems that the causes are various
[18:31] <markit> seems everything too overcomplicated
[18:31] <vince> some ppl say wifi drivers conflict
[18:31] <markit> vince: really had to bugtrack
[18:31] <vince> kernel for some others..
[18:31] <markit> heheh, maybe they are clueless like me
[18:31] <markit> add "kmix" for me ;)
[18:32] <vince> create a new text file
[18:32] <vince> add this: sudo halt now
[18:32] <vince> in properties, make it exec
[18:33] <CartoonCat> hellos
[18:33] <CartoonCat> i need some way to tell the network manager to ignore one of my wireless interfaces, ideas ?
[18:34] <vince> make it invisible
[18:37] <tdn> txwikinger, how?
[18:39] <txwikinger> tdn: http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Faster-booting-with-Upstart-848690.html
[18:41] <tdn> How do I make links opened from Kopete, Konsole, etc. use Opera or Firefox instead of Konqueror?
[18:41] <iconmefisto> tdn: systemsettings, default applications
[18:42] <InvaderZim> Freshly installed Lucid can't login to X! Screen blinks! X log says Fatal error savage driver problem. Kdm stop, rmmod savage, modprobe savagefb and startx (NOT kdm start) makes it work. It doesnt make any sense! It worked ok with Karmic. Help anyone?
[18:42] <tdn> txwikinger, I see nothing in that article about events on inserting usb devices.
[18:43] <markit> vince: ehm, where the text file? how can I make it be run in the shutdown stage? etc
[18:43] <txwikinger> tdn: it is 3 pages and has examples
[18:43] <tdn> txwikinger, I know that it is in three pages, and I guess you mean the examples on page 2, right? Nothing there is about USB.
[18:43] <vince> anywhere you want, desktop for example
[18:43] <vince> it's just a basic shortcut
[18:43] <tdn> txwikinger, or do I miss something?
[18:45] <tdn> txwikinger, on page 3 there is something about usb-dvd, but that uses udev rules...
[18:45] <vinnie> why am i only notified of updates after opening kpackagekit? Shouldnt i be notified before this?
[18:47] <markit> mm no kmix, still the probem :(
[18:49] <vinnie> anyone?
[18:50] <timby> I have a virus and I'm going insane can anyone here possibly help me?  I'm going on something like 12 hours of trying to solve it.
[18:50] <timby> any help would be VERY appreciated
[18:50] <vince> Ubuntu / virus ?
[18:50] <timby> right now I'm running Trinity Rescue Kit
[18:50] <timby> no its a Vista system that I'm scanning through Kubuntu and other live cds
[18:51] <timby> I have a post at geekstogo.com but they haven't been able to help much
[18:51] <timby> anyone in here know the commands for Trinity Rescue Kit
[18:52] <timby> I'm new to Kubuntu and IRC,  how do I join other channels that may be able to help with my virus problem?
[18:53] <iconmefisto> timby: type: /join #windows
[18:54] <vince> timby
[18:55] <vince> have you leadt identified the virus ?
[18:56] <timby> I've been working on that, it seems that one infection is probably Koobface.  The file captcha.dll in folder SysWOW64 came up as a virus from clamscan
[18:56] <ursus> can someone help me perhaps? I've recently installed kubuntu, and seem to have some problems with my graphic card. I get graphic-card-error when running diagnostics in cedega.
[18:56] <timby> there are also more trojan.agents but it did not say what virus they are
[18:57] <ursus> I don´t think openGL works
[18:57] <doom777_> how do i upgrade from kde 4.4.2 to 4.4.3? i am running kubuntu, and am a linux n00b
[18:59] <doom777_> iconmefisto: lol
[18:59] <iconmefisto> doom777_: huh? what's funny?
[19:00] <doom777_> join #windows in response to a virus question
[19:00] <iconmefisto> doom777_: well it's a windows problem. why not?
[19:02] <iconmefisto> doom777_: for kde 4.4.3, in konsole type: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:03] <doom777_> ok thanks
[19:17] <asobi> what's the path to the trash folder in karmic?
[19:17] <CartoonCat> i need some way to tell the network manager to ignore one of my wireless interfaces, ideas ?
[19:24] <markit> vince: I've removed the video board and everything works fine, unfortunatly the onboard one is really cheap
[19:24] <markit> vince: I've noticed that the video board I've removed has hdmi audio capabilities
[19:25] <markit> so could be sound-related in some way
[19:25] <vince> markit: Since it seems to be a problem with your videocard
[19:25] <vince> have you tried another driver ?
[19:25] <markit> I've removed radeon driver, so uses vesa, but same problem
[19:25] <markit> that's why I guess if is not an audio driver instead
[19:25] <vince> that's really odd, i don't know how to help you further :/
[19:26] <markit> vince: thanks anyway, you helped in supporting my desperation :)
[19:26] <vince> haha
[19:29] <momo> hi, how do i configure syslog in such a way that messages from a remote host go into another (i.e not the default /var/log/syslog) file?
[19:37] <timby> I'm sorry, noob to Kubuntu... I just rt click on taskbar and I think I chose remove this task manager or panel or something and now I still have the start bar thingy but the boxes for my open apps are not there anymore, but the apps remain open... can ne1 help?
[19:37] <timby> maybe try asking in #kubuntu ?
[19:40] <tsimpson> timby: right click the desktop, choose "Add widgets" and drag the "Task Manager" to the panel
[19:45] <timby> tsimpson: I ended up adding two of the "task Manager" to my start bar
[19:45] <timby> how do i get rid of one
[19:45] <timby> I got one to the left of my System tray and one to the right
[19:45] <timby> both display the same thing
[19:46] <tsimpson> click the small icon on the far right of the panel, then right click on the one you want to remove, choose "Remove this Task Manager"
[19:47] <timby> thanks for the help, much appreciated
[19:47] <timby> everything is back to normal
[19:47] <tsimpson> you're welcome
[19:50]  * markit dreams for a "restore bottom bar default" option
[19:53] <slow-motion> hi
[19:53] <vince> guys, you know when you go the top left corner with the curson, you've got some kind of maps with all your active windows...do you think i can have the same with gnome ?
[19:55] <markit> vince: is a "mac os clone" thing, I think... probably they have / will have also, but ask there :)
[19:56] <tsimpson> it'd probably be a part of compiz
[19:56] <vince> this feature is just so useful
[19:57] <vince> Ok I'll look into it
[19:58] <tsimpson> look in the compiz config settings manager thingey magigger
[19:58] <tsimpson> !ccsm
[19:59] <_dev_urandom> Hi!
[20:00] <_dev_urandom> Will KDE 4.4.3 one day appear in the official Ubuntu repositories, or will it always stay in the Kubunut-PPA?
[20:01] <tsimpson> _dev_urandom: #kubuntu-devel would know
[20:01] <_dev_urandom> Ah, thanks, I tried the wrong chan before then.
[20:07] <oxymoron> tsimpson: Hmm wonderful, partition managers doesnt move partitions correctly, they move them out of cylinder bounds ...
[20:09] <tsimpson> oxymoron: time to report a bug I guess. though it's probably an issue with libparted (which gparted also uses)
[20:09] <tsimpson> I tend to avoid repartitioning unless it's the last resort
[20:10] <tsimpson> even if it's less convenient to avoid it
[20:11] <oxymoron> tsimpson: Yeah I never want to partitioning but now I must ... It always make it ONE single cylinder out of bounds, same thing that happened before.
[20:11] <oxymoron> tsimpson: When out of bounds libparted cannot detect it and thinks it unallocated space :S
[20:18] <draik> Hello everyone. I just booted my computer to find that I have konsole installed, but not working. I get the following error message: "KDEinit could not launch '/usr/bin/konsole' "
[20:19] <dago_> to com proablema no java para abrir bb kubuntu
[20:19] <draik> I have uninstalled and reinstalled konsole, still getting the same error
[20:21] <draik> Also, how do I disable the feature for having my monitors turn off every 10 minutes of inactivity?
[20:25] <jorge> hi
[20:35] <doom777> did anyone everr have kstartupconfig4 error code 3
[20:36] <InvaderZim> Lucid fresh install doesn't login! Screen blinks and returns to kdm login. Karmic worked fine. Help?
[20:47] <draik> Anyone know how to auto-mount a drive in Lucid? I just added a drive to my other computer and I want it to be readily available when I boot.
[20:49] <malik_> hello does anyone know if I can link an adhoc network and a wifi connection together?
[20:51] <malik_> does anybody know if I can do this on ubuntu??
[20:56] <RaGNORAK> draik
[20:56] <RaGNORAK> hold on a sec
[20:56] <ursus> I can´t activate the desktop visual effects in kde (kubuntu 10.04). I just get an error message. Anyone had this problem, and/or know how to fix it?
[20:57] <RaGNORAK> there is something called the NTFS config tool to mount all your ntfs partitions
[20:58] <draik> RaGNORAK: It's not NTFS. It is Ext3
[20:58] <RaGNORAK> if you want to do it manually you need to modify your fstab
[21:01] <malik_> Hey anyone there?
[21:01] <kxw> Greetings ... anyone in here installed both Ubuntu and Kubuntu?
[21:02] <eamon> yeah im here
[21:02] <eamon> any one there?
[21:02] <draik> RaGNORAK: Any tool(s) to do it automatically for me?
[21:03] <draik> RaGNORAK: Automatically edit the fstab, I mean
[21:03] <malik_> Yeah i was wondering if it was possible to link an adhoc connection and a wifi connection together on kubuntu
[21:05] <RaGNORAK> draik you should be able to find something if you search
[21:05] <kxw> How do you get the Kubuntu installer to recognize drive partitions? I do not want to overwrite my current OS, just create a dual boot option
[21:06] <RaGNORAK> you want to avoid the one that is the same size as the drive that has your os
[21:06] <RaGNORAK> your current os
[21:06] <Barridus> none of the methods i've found on the internet for starting the crond service have worked, i really want to schedule cron jobs but they won't run.  can anyone help me
[21:06] <RaGNORAK> or boot into that current os and delete a partition so that you can identify it from the installer
[21:08] <kxw> cool ... thanks ... will try now
[21:09] <kxw> one more question... how do I ensure I have the LiveCD and not text install? I am still unsure of which I have...
[21:11] <WaltzingAlong> kxw: have done so, yeah
[21:12] <WaltzingAlong> kxw: "desktop"
[21:12] <WaltzingAlong> !mount
[21:15] <draik> WaltzingAlong: That needs a minor update for !mount
[21:22] <Ab3L> hello. it is possible to change the appearance of kubuntu? colors, border of windows, icons, and so on ?
[21:23] <LjL> yes
[21:23] <LjL> it's in System Settings / Appearance
[21:23] <Ab3L> until yesterday i was a strict gnome user, and kde is not really familiar to me
[21:24] <maco> welcome to the club, then!
[21:24] <maco> i spent a few hous pestering my friends about what all the settings in systemsettings do the day i switched to kde
[21:25] <Ab3L> well... i passed the day to understand what a plasmoid is. it seems it is something important in kde universe
[21:25] <Ab3L> something relevant, isn't it?
[21:25] <maco> its like a desktop widget in osx or a google gadeet
[21:25] <maco> *gadget
[21:25] <maco> and yes, both of those can be used in kde as plasmoids
[21:26] <maco> except that, well, the panel in kde is one too
[21:26] <Barridus> what's a good alternative to cron (since mine is irreperably broken apparently) for scheduling backups to an external hd
[21:26] <maco> all the little things on it are too, since you can drag them right off of the panel and onto the desktop if you want
[21:27] <maco> Barridus: have you tried reinstalling cron? sudo aptitude reinstall cron
[21:28] <Barridus> maco, yep, no dice
[21:28] <maco> ls /etc/init.d/cron
[21:28] <maco> er
[21:28] <maco> ls -l sorry
[21:29] <Barridus> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 2010-05-23 16:27 /etc/init.d/cron -> /lib/init/upstart-job   oh it's there
[21:29] <Barridus> the crond service can't be started (or found) for that matter
[21:29] <Barridus> so scheduled jobs do not start
[21:30] <Barridus> i don't understand the problem with crond, and neither has anyone else
[21:32] <Barridus> strange, innit?
[21:33] <Elec2010> hello, may i ask something?
[21:34] <tsimpson> Barridus: do you have /usr/sbin/cron?
[21:34] <Elec2010> just installed kubuntu, but it does not recognise pendrive, any idea? it is formated fat 32 with winxp
[21:34] <Barridus> tsimpson, yup
[21:36] <tsimpson> Barridus: so it's there... try checking for anything regarding cron in /var/log/syslog
[21:38] <Barridus> i see a lot of CRON[5629]: (root) CMD
[21:38] <Ab3L> ehm... the pannel of kubuntu crashed. how can i restore it?
[21:39] <tsimpson> Ab3L: try running "plasma-desktop" from a terminal
[21:39] <tsimpson> Barridus: that should mean cron is running
[21:39] <Barridus> tsimpson, then why do my jobs not fire
[21:40] <Barridus> and why do my attempts to verify crond's existance come up empty-handed
[21:40] <tsimpson> how have you tested it?
[21:41] <Ab3L> tsimpson: it tells me Invalid D-BUS interface name 'org.kde.plasma-desktop.PlasmaApp' found while parsing introspection
[21:41] <Barridus> service crond status, /etc/init.d/crond start
[21:41] <Barridus> both came back with variations of "unknown"
[21:42] <tsimpson> strange, if it's printing to syslog it must be running
[21:42] <Barridus> oh, does the fact cron's entries in syslog contain "ROOT"?  the job is not superuser priviledge
[21:43] <tsimpson> it uses root for the jobs in /etc/cron.{hourly,daily,weekly,monthly}
[21:44] <Ab3L> ... ok... it is appearing now. it takes some time. is it normal?
[21:44] <Barridus> tsimpson, would a 3am job every day fall into that root hourly catagory even if it's linked to my user acct without superuser priviledges?
[21:44] <Barridus> err daily.
[21:45] <tsimpson> only if it's a script in /etc/cron.daily, not in your user crontab
[21:45] <tsimpson> if you can't get cron going, there are bcron-run and fcron that are cron-like replacements
[21:46] <Elec2010> hello, may i ask something?
[21:46] <Elec2010> just installed kubuntu, but it does not recognise pendrive, any idea? it is formated fat 32 with winxp
[21:49] <Barridus> tsimpson, have you used either of those and could recommend one over the other?
[21:49] <tsimpson> I've only used cron
[21:52] <Barridus> what's anacron?
[21:52] <tsimpson> asynchronous cron
[21:52] <tsimpson> it does the same job, but doen't run jobs at certain times, just at some point
[21:53] <tsimpson> so a "daily" job will run at some point in the day, but at no specific time
[21:53] <maco> Elec2010: if you type "tail -f /var/log/dmesg" and hit enter then plug it in, does it say anything? paste the output into paste.ubuntu.com
[22:06] <Henry_BR> My Kubuntu is shutting down unexpectedly alone. He just shuts down, as if we took a computer from the outlet. But I use notebook. The last time, I opened a site that tries to start a aplet java. I wonder what could this be? At another point, my HD went crazy and made noises; then I force shutdown and I could not connect Ubuntu again. Then I installed Kubuntu. It would be Kubuntu or HD or my processor responsible for the unexpected shutdown? And how about
[22:06] <Henry_BR>  HD noises(it getting crazy), would be my HD or a crazy job of Ubuntu in my HD? Thank you.
[22:20] <Elec2010> Anyone can help? http://paste.ubuntu.com/438495
[22:28] <m_tadeu> hi all...how do I print just the selected part of a webpage in konqueror?
[22:28] <Ab3L> bye
[22:31] <markit> hi, I'm trying to shutdown the system, but I (I've disabled splash) a "init: disconnected from system bus" message and system does not shutdown
[22:32] <markit> I can ssh inside, but can't understand what is going wrong
[22:32] <markit> anyone can help troubleshooting?
[22:32] <markit> it happens with radeon 4550 video board, even with vesa drivers
[22:32] <markit> I've also removed all sound packages that are loaded thanks to hdmi
[22:38] <vlt> markit: What happens when you run `halt`? (This should perform a shutdown)
[22:45] <markit> vlt:  from terminal or ssh?
[22:45] <markit> in any case, reboot works, halt not
[22:45] <vlt> markit: What happens when you run `halt`?
[22:46] <markit> I've issued in ssh, after shutdown
[22:46] <markit> and I got this additional message
[22:46] <markit> "179.12312 system halted"
[22:46] <markit> I heard a sort of "tic" from hd
[22:46] <markit> but system did not turned off
[22:47] <markit> don't know if filesystem is shut down ok
[22:47] <markit> and ssh connection is "frozen"
[22:47] <markit> raising elephants don't help anymore in this situation
[22:47] <markit> (I mean with halt from ssh after a shutdown)
[22:48] <vlt> markit: Sounds to me like a proper shutdown. Just the final ACPI/APM/whatever command to actually switch off the machine failed
[22:48] <vlt> markit: I have this issue on an old HP notebook too
[22:48] <markit> vlt: well, proper shutdown after I ssh inside and run a "halt"
[22:48] <markit> simple shutdown does not sync fs or "click" the hd
[22:49] <vlt> markit: What is a "simple shutdown"?
[22:49] <markit> if I shutdown before graphical login, it works too
[22:49] <markit> vlt from the "K" menu, can't have the user to go to a different computer, ssh inside this box, then issue "halt" after it
[22:50] <markit> so simple and regular shutdown is the one from graphical interface
[22:50] <markit> that is not completed at all
[22:50] <markit> even if you run halt from the terminal
[22:51]  * vlt finds it hard to follow your statements
[22:51] <maco> ah i get it
[22:51] <markit> vlt: how do you aspect me to halt / shutdown the system?
[22:51] <maco> shutdown -h -P ?
[22:51] <maco> the -P tells it to power off after shutting down
[22:52] <markit> ok, it hangs
[22:52] <markit> does not stop, so I can even ssh inside the box
[22:52] <markit> it's alive, just X is off
[22:52]  * vlt stops reading now
[22:52] <maco> vlt: why?
[22:53] <maco> what markit is saying makes sense, and ive had similar during suspend on lucid
[22:53] <maco> though not every time, rather random really
[22:53] <markit> maco: this is almost "deterministic"
[22:53] <vlt> maco: Fine, I seem to be too tired to understand what he says ;-)
[22:53] <markit> if I shutdown before graphically login, it works
[22:54] <maco> markit: i wonder, if you boot without splash then when you shutdown are you able to see messages saying how far its getting before it gets stuck?
[22:54] <markit> if I remove the amd 4550 it works (with cheap and not satisfactory on board video)
[22:54] <markit> maco: it's already so, that's why I can tell you that the last message is
[22:54] <maco> oh wait what is it?
[22:54] <maco> i missed that bit
[22:54] <markit> "Init: diconnected from system bus"
[22:55] <m_tadeu> which package should I install for kde api documentation?
[22:55] <markit> usually should say that "system halted"
[22:55] <maco> nit disconnected from system bus
[22:55] <Skrot> Hi, runnin 10.04 and KDM won't start KDE after I enter correct username/password. It just blinks and then goes back to the login screen. Any ideas for where to start debugging?
[22:55] <maco> well his is definitely a bug
[22:55] <maco> *this
[22:55] <markit> maco: can't workaround, nor understand what is buggy
[22:55] <markit> I've seen posts online about change kernel
[22:55] <maco> markit: id file a bug on upstart
[22:55] <markit> but I've tried many ones and bug persists
[22:56] <maco> markit: since that handles boot up and shut down
[22:56] <maco> markit: if its not right, scott'll move it to the right package
[22:56] <maco> Skrot: ~/.xsession-errors
[22:57] <markit> maco: this is the server I need to deploy to a school this week, it's a terrible situation for me :(
[22:57] <markit> I'll try to reinstall from scratch, at the beginning seems everything ok
[22:58] <markit> but after some installation, it behaves this way again
[22:58] <markit> the problem is that this test takes time
[22:58] <Skrot> maco: Only 5 lines, nothing stands out, and I can't access pastebin from the terminal..
[22:58] <markit> and all this day I've tried to figure out what was wrong
[22:58] <markit> and every time seemd to have find the problem
[22:58] <markit> removing it did not solved
[22:58] <markit> like is a "moving target"
[22:59] <maco> markit: im a developer, but thats not my part of the stack. i know canonical sells support contracts and i think with those you can get priority access to paid-developers' time... http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=529
[23:00] <maco> Skrot: pastebinit ~/.xsession-errors
[23:00] <maco> Skrot: pastebinit is a command that puts things in pastebin
[23:00] <Skrot> ah
[23:00] <maco> Skrot: also, /var/log/Xsession.0.log
[23:00] <maco> er no
[23:00] <maco> Xorg.0.log
[23:01] <markit> italian schools = no money, I'm doing all the work for free
[23:02] <Skrot> http://pastebin.com/sWFpAga7
[23:02] <maco> i think thats schools everywhere ;-)
[23:03] <maco> Skrot: well that certainly looks bad
[23:03] <maco> Skrot: oh wait...why is x-terminal-emulator trying to start?
[23:03] <Skrot> i've no idea
[23:04] <maco> Skrot: theres some settings on the login screen. choose kde session, not a terminal session
[23:04] <Skrot> huh, how did that happen
[23:05] <Skrot> in any case, it seems to be working now
[23:05] <maco> shiny
[23:06] <Skrot> thanks :)
[23:08] <m_tadeu> does anyone know what package should I install to have kde api documentation?
[23:24] <Absolom> Hello everyone~!
[23:25] <Absolom> =_= I got a real bad problem, in kubuntu 10.04 after todays updates my network manager is broken.
[23:29] <Absolom> Anyone here?
[23:30] <InvaderZim> Problem: Fresh install of Lucid doesn't go beyong login screen at KDM. screen blinks. Weird is, I installed xdm, and it works through xdm. Problem is, beside being ugly, there is no shutdown option, only end session. Any ideas?
[23:31] <avihay> gdm?
[23:31] <InvaderZim> gdm?
[23:37] <Absolom> Anyone have problems with the network manager after yesterdays updates?
[23:40] <Absolom> Anyone?
[23:42] <Absolom> Anyone have problems with the network manager after yesterdays updates?
[23:43] <avihay> InvaderZim: Gdm is gnome's equivalence of Kdm
[23:43] <Absolom> yes
[23:44] <avihay> Absolom: havn't upgradet yet, but I was more suprized that knetworkmanager actually works after two years of bad versions. just use wicd or some other package
[23:44] <Absolom> avihay wicd don't work for me
[23:45] <avihay> then there is nm-app, that's the network manager applet for gnome
[23:46] <Absolom> xD!
[23:47] <m_tadeu> !kdeapi
[23:47] <Absolom> So theres nothing I can do about this?
[23:52] <kurosaki> So can someone answer this question for me
[23:52] <kurosaki> What exactly do I have to do to switch network managers
[23:57] <hubutm20> kde nework manager