[00:19] Benkinooby: no. [00:41] #kubuntu [00:42] correct [00:42] Heres the answer for 400 [00:42] These people come into #kubuntu and help other people. [00:42] well, im in that case [00:43] it's my first time on irc, and my first hour on kubuntu [00:43] congrats [00:43] and i can't even find a way to change my mouse sensitivity.. [00:43] feel like a noob [00:45] sharkman- check System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse [00:46] You're probably looking for Pointer Acceleration under Mouse -> Advanced [00:48] yeah, i changed it to 0.1, that's better now [00:48] but it still to be too fast.. (i got a razer and i don't think that drivers exist on linux) [01:43] hey guys im having trouble with my sound since i just installed kubuntu can anyone help? [01:44] http://pastie.org/972924 [01:48] what is a pussyroller [01:48] Ampersand: got something constructive to say? === nicholas is now known as Guest7245 [01:49] sorry not at the moment... all my constructors are in php.. I will just google it thanks [02:25] * o_a está ausente: Ausente no momento [02:26] * o_a voltou. === joes is now known as Guest76120 [02:27] !es | o_a [02:27] o_a: En la mayoría de canales de Ubuntu se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español o charlar entra en el canal #ubuntu-es. Escribe "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y dale a enter. [02:28] moetunes: 1 - It's portuguese; 2 - Sorry, that's an automatic message, respectively for when I go away and for when I come back [02:28] o_a: you'll get kicked for away mesages mate :] [02:29] can i run run chkdsk /f on Windows partition while on my ubuntu? [02:29] moetunes: I didn't even set this, that's Konversation's default [02:30] cuznt: If the partition isn't mounted I think you can [02:30] cuznt: chkdsk is a windows app - so no [02:31] fdisk? [02:31] e2fsck iirc [02:32] so i can fix it with linux? [02:32] sure - unless the prob is windows wasn't shutdown properly [02:34] http://pastebin.org/268882 error [02:35] #Tweets on IRC #tweet [02:35] * Ampersand tweets using gopher [02:36] cuznt: afaik you run chkdsk before booting into windows - don't use windows here [02:37] is it f8 you press to run chkdsk? [02:38] at boot [02:44] cuznt: [02:44] cuznt: you connecting with esata? [02:57] cuznt: [03:50] is there anyone else out there who had found the audio situation in 10.04 to be a nightmare? [03:50] ha* [03:50] has* === bruno is now known as Guest36490 [03:55] hey [03:56] let me ask this, does anyone use kubuntu anymore? [04:12] hey guys [04:30] I use Kubuntu every day === kev is now known as Guest88091 === Guest88091 is now known as Lon3sword [05:15] in amarok how do i transfer a podcast to my file system based mp3 player? === fran is now known as Guest95453 === emma_ is now known as emma [05:59] Just had a horrible update from 9.10 to 10.04. Logging in KDM the screen blinks and returns to KDM. X logs has fatal error, tells me framemapping range problem. Something about the driver, SAVAGE it seems. If I try to failsafe X to vesa, the pc hangs. Help? [06:02] InvaderZim: it may not have installed the driver correctly.. I just did a apt-cache search savage adn came up with 3 different packages.. try it and see if one of them matches your card.. if you don't know what you card is.. try lspci [06:03] hmm will do [06:05] thx [06:06] sure.. after install .. sudo service kdm restart .. if it borks agian have it "reconfigure" the video adn see if that works [06:13] chromium browser makes a stupid sound whenever one of its window buttons is clicked. could someone tell me how i could make it stop doing this? [06:19] hello === rackIT_AFK is now known as rackIT === ross is now known as Guest36978 [07:42] /c [07:48] sal all [07:50] what SO install ... ubuntu vs mandriva .... === hanzz is now known as Guest20403 === churs is now known as godmode === fusion45 is now known as fusion44 [09:53] Need help, how to restore MBR on WIndows 7 when Windows recovery CD cannot detect it? :S [09:53] is this a dual boot with Kubuntu? [09:53] bazhang: Yes [09:54] oxymoron, considered asking in ##windows ? [09:54] bazhang: I tried on grub channel yesterday but it didnt work. [09:54] you wish to fixmbr or fix grub [09:54] bazhang: I have also tried different NTFS partition managers on Hirens Boot CD but nobody can do what I want to do. [09:55] bazhang: I wish to do whatever it takes to restore Windows somehow. [09:55] Grub works [09:55] oxymoron, did you update grub? [09:55] but no windows mentioned in grub? [09:55] I can select WIndows 7 in grub, but when select I only get GRUB and a blinking "_" [09:56] bazhang: Yes of course I updated grub [09:56] os prober perhaps [09:56] !grub2 [09:56] GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since Karmic. For more information and troubleshooting on GRUB2 please refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2 [09:56] bazhang: Os-prober already done that too, no change [09:56] does sudo fdisk -l show it [09:57] bazhang: http://pastebin.com/C5pxqKZq [09:58] bazhang: Its the sdc1 one thats Windows [09:59] bazhang: Then something happened with sdb1 when resizing it and then canceled process in Kpartitionmanager .... it says its unformatted but type is somekind of RAW NTFS [09:59] * oxymoron doesnt understand why partition tables should be so hard to edit ... [10:00] bazhang: SO yes fdisk shows them all [10:00] oxymoron, tried booting with a livecd/gparted livecd and see what that says? [10:00] what is the commend to delete a torrent from rtorrent ? [10:01] I would suspect rtorrent has a help file or such [10:01] bazhang: Hmm interesting, maybe gaprted livecd could work somehow. But I think somekind of NTFS livecd would work best, some Acronis Disk Manager, but I am not sure I have it. [10:01] Ites: ctrl+d [10:01] gparted livecd is only 60MB [10:02] bazhang: Space is not a issue ;) Do you think I can place it parallell to Kubuntu LiveCD on my USB stick? [10:02] bazhang: Or will it be a conflict? [10:02] thanks [10:02] np [10:03] Then USB stick is faster to live cd boot from than DVD/CD, corret? :) [10:04] * oxymoron thinks its funny he got into all this only because KPartitionManager said partition on sdb1 is out of bounds, more cylinders than available ... [10:04] Everything worked in his system and sdb1 was mountable [10:05] Recommendations on applications and live cds, more than Hirens Boot CD, Windows Recovery CD, Gparted, Linux and so on? [10:08] "Search engine overloaded, please try again in a few seconds " lol [10:10] Yippie Ki Yay ... Acronis Disk Directory Suite isnt compatible with Windows 7 === Quintasan1 is now known as Quintasan === Sam_ is now known as Guest92146 [10:49] In Kpartitionmanager: Unknown disk label? what [10:50] there's been a few mentions in here of kpartitionmanager not playing nice - care to install gparted? [10:51] moetunes: Gparted says the same thing ... [10:52] says something about the disk label then doesn't it [10:53] moetunes: Gparted also says unknown disk label and says the partition is unallocated but its NOT. Other NTFS applications in WIndows found it, but they cannot convert it into regular NTFS again :( [10:54] If everything is alright in partitions tables, then partition managers is alright, but if something is wrong they doesnt work at all. It is when its fucked up when you ACTUALLY neeed the partition manager not when it works :D [10:55] oxymoron: naturally ms tools for there own fs will be better but if they can't do anything with it... [10:55] oxymoron: I know you know better [10:55] oxymoron: tried fixmbr? [10:55] moetunes: It can do some things, but my opiotns are limited in dos environment ... I need to boot from Windows, but then GRUB cannot bootload into Windows 7 lolllllll [10:56] moetunes: fixmbr from where? [10:56] !fixmbr [10:56] grub is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before Karmic (9.10). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - See !grub2 for Karmic onwards. [10:56] tsimpson: Sorry :P [10:56] moetunes: I dont want to restore grub, grub works [10:57] oxymoron: I would go to ##windows and find out how to get the windows bootloader back then reinstall grub once windows boots [10:57] moetunes: In #grub they said Windows 7 MBR is overwritten by grub ... and thats why it cannot boot, but how da heck should I fix that? :S [10:57] oxymoron: 'cause the filesystem isn't right from what you've said [10:58] oxtmin ##windows they will know how to restore the windows bootloader [10:58] moetunes: I have tried to get Windows bootloader back with WIndows Recovery CD but it doesnt find WIndows, hahahaha :D [10:58] i would do that first [10:59] oxymoron: then how could you boot it? [10:59] Alright, I try Windows but probably would go berserk in there :D [10:59] moetunes: I dont know really, before I could boot Windows7 but now I cant. If nothing works I will reinstall clean installation ;) [10:59] oxymoron: you mentioned stopping a resize in the partition manager? [11:00] moetunes: Not a resize, moving actually. [11:00] k [11:00] moetunes: But that was on another drive, not where Windows is isntalled. [11:01] moetunes: Its two isolated problems I have, nonbootable Windows on sdc drive and screwed up sdb partition [11:01] oxymoron: you wouldn't be getting this frustrated if something major isn't borked mate [11:01] moetunes: How do you mean? [11:02] oxymoron: the rescue cd can't find windows and grub can't find windows so something major is wrong - and with stopping the move... [11:02] moetunes: Actually I think this is kind of "fun". If nothing works I just do clean install, but I would like to fix it without cleanup as I always do in the end anyway xD [11:03] Hi guys. How do I check if I have my graphics card drivers installed? Thanks. [11:03] moetunes: Yes, something is wrong yes ... But the disks is found and the partiions as well. Now I think I freaked up MBR on Windows more when fixing with fdisk utlities .... [11:04] oxymoron: from what you said it is a short stick you're using to push things uphill :] [11:05] edi_99: read the log - /var/log/Xorg.0.log [11:05] :] [11:05] moetunes: Hehe :P I cant understand why the partition managers cannot do anything. There is data there and should/could be converted to regulat NTFS even if its moved and converted to some kind of RAW NTFS data. [11:06] moetunes: Regarding Windows I need Windows to fix Windows xD Moment22 :D [11:06] Its so ironic, Linux cannot fix Windows and Windows cannot fix Linux :D [11:06] oxymoron: it is not something I'm too familiar with but isn't raw ntfs unformatted? [11:07] moetunes: Yes it says its unformatted ... thats because I cancelled in move process because it went wrong and partition manager frooze when pressed cancel xD [11:07] Its not very fun knowing I have 500 GB data in there ... [11:07] oxymoron: so it won't have data there right? [11:08] I have backed up the most important data (Photos) [11:08] moetunes: It moved the data and then tonight I moved the data with Acronis Disk Director Suite to the beginning. [11:08] so no windows os to boot [11:09] moetunes: I think the smartest thing todo right now is to do a clean Windows install, I will not loose anything important anyway on WIndows if clean isntall it. [11:09] moetunes: Then INSIDE windows I can install proper applications todo more magic that I cannot do in recovery mode [11:09] oxymoron: would be quicker [11:10] moetunes: Yes, it always point to clean install ... sometimes youre lucky fix it but mostly you just screw up more things when trying to fix the real problem :D [11:10] hey guys [11:11] moetunes: Like upgrading from Karmic => Lucid is worse than just do a clean install of Lucid over Karmic. [11:11] oxymoron: it's called digging the hole deeper [11:11] moetunes: Hopefully Kubuntu devs will fix it in the future so its forward compatible with itself ... lol [11:12] moetunes: Not sure, but I think its the settings in old apps and libraries isnt compatible with the new settings in the new apps (I mean settings in ~ folder) [11:12] * oxymoron would like to have some sort of "restore to factory settings" button in Linux :D [11:13] And then change which things I want to factory reset [11:14] * oxymoron doesnt look forward to burn Windows 7 and install it again ... he hate the screen after loading Windows files, nothing happens in several minutes, just that ugly blue background with the ugly bird :D [11:15] If he start to hate all OS so much he maybe get so much energy that he programming hes own freaking OS from scratch in rocket speed :P [11:16] heh [11:16] moetunes: I mean how hard can it be, Bill Gates, Linus Torvalds and those guys could do it, why cant I? [11:17] Just odnt know, fixing BIOS => MBR => kernel => desktop => awesomeness ... [11:17] Its like million programming lines, probably a lot more :P [11:18] Hopefully its possible to go around BIOS and bootload directly from the motherboard signal when press on button :P [11:19] moetunes: Hahahahaha damn it, Windows 7 ISO file is on sdb1 ... need to download it again before bruning it lol :D [11:20] moetunes: Lucky its 10 MB/s download speed then ... [11:22] oxymoron: you know what gets said about backups... :] [11:22] moetunes: Yeah, that nobody backups ... [11:22] hehe [11:23] moetunes: Companies with big servers does ... regular users doesnt and hopefully never need. Only things I backup is my programming files, the only important things really. [11:24] moetunes: But I think I might buy 2x1 TB drive soon for RAID and backup :P Not sure about 80 GB SSD for 250$ though, its not priceworthy [11:25] moetunes: Maybe its also time to burn All Macgyver and Prison Break seasons on DVD and store them somewhere else then on my driver ... [11:25] moetunes: But I havent seen a big Macgyver SuperBox anywhere here in Sweden, I would maybe buy it if its priceworthy enough. [11:26] moetunes: WOW I found IT all 139 episodes in one single box <3 [11:27] moetunes: Only 179.207 USD ... xD [11:28] oxymoron: I use an old pent3 for a backup system 'cause you never know when thens will go wrong - and I've just started burning to cd as well [11:30] moetunes: Whats pent3? :P What if the computer burn up, the backups was unneccesary? :D [11:30] moetunes: Btw, does Kubuntu warn me when one drive is going uhm unuseful? :P [11:31] oxymoron: pent3 = pentium 3 - and now I'm burning disks and storing them elsewhere [11:32] oxymoron: there are smarttools for doing that - kubuntu doesn't on it's own afaik [11:33] moetunes: Ah, silly me should have guessed that you ment pentium :P I wonder if its "good" doing backups on Blueray discs, like 300 GB discs? :P [11:34] oxymoron: they will be able to be used on the future default drives I expect [11:34] !info smartmontools [11:34] smartmontools (source: smartmontools): control and monitor storage systems using S.M.A.R.T.. In component main, is optional. Version 5.38-3ubuntu3 (lucid), package size 323 kB, installed size 804 kB [11:37] just wondering is it possible to change your bios and i know how ridiculous this sound and i should'nt be asking this on the kubuntu support channel but is it possible [11:38] serbian: Depends what you mean with change BIOS? [11:38] moetunes: Its a lot of DVDs to backup my computer if I say so. I have backed up many things to our NAS Server at home [11:39] well my bios does'nt allow me to select which gpu i want to use but my friend who has a acer is capable of doing it so can you replace your bios [11:41] anyway cya guys later [11:44] moetunes: Btw, do you know how to speed up transfer speed to NetGear NAS? [11:46] hi, dansguardian package has not upstart script, it relies upon the old mechanism and stops correct shutdown as far as i can understand [11:46] any idea about how make it work in a sane way? [11:46] oxymoron: no not something I use here :] [11:46] moetunes: 250 kb/s is a little bit slow on a gigabit network I guess ... [11:47] way slow [11:47] moetunes: At least 50 MB/s should be possible [11:47] moetunes: On other hand the NAS is working in RAID mode ... [11:48] oxymoron: afaik if it is writing to 2 disks the network speed would only be limited by the disk write speed x2 [11:49] moetunes: Yeah, so its slow anyway. I heard it was problems with firmware long time ago, many people get slow transfer rate on that NAS. [11:49] hi all. plz tell me how to install ubuntu-one client for kubuntu? [11:50] moetunes: Then its on Samba protocol, does that matter a lot? [11:50] oxymoron: I have no windows in my home :] - so i don't know samba at all [11:51] !ubuntuone | error [11:51] error: Ubuntu One is a service where you can back up, store, sync and share your data with other Ubuntu One users - For more see https://one.ubuntu.com/ support and help available at #ubuntuone [11:51] thank you [11:52] np :] [11:56] moetunes: I think samba could slow down a little [11:57] oxymoron: I have heard it is chatty on the network - that could slow it up some [11:58] oxymoron: it is prob firmware/hardware on the nas if it isn't newish [12:00] moetunes: I am downloading raidar and radiator now to test upgrade it and see if any difference :) [12:00] luck :] [12:16] moetunes: lol on this: http://pastebin.com/J1xZRPet [12:17] moetunes: Sorry this http://pastebin.com/96MKBFap [12:17] oxymoron: like an os with your browsers :[ [12:17] oops :] [12:18] moetunes: /usr/bin/firefox exist but it doesnt find it and I cant understand why it need it anyway to install the freaking NAS GUI :D [12:19] moetunes: I guess I have to edit the *.sh file manually ... [12:23] can kubuntu completely hibernate a netbook? I can get it to partially hibernate, but eventually the battery dies within a day (in windows hibernation there is no problem) [12:26] moetunes: Yay, Kate cannot open the *.sh file, freezes ... [12:28] oxymoron: try after doing chmod -x the sh file [12:29] moetunes: Already done that. [12:29] k [12:30] moetunes: Weird sudo bash ./*.sh works [12:31] hi, can some1 tell me, why ksysguard and gkrellm are showing me around 10% mem-usage, while my dock (right border) is showing me 35%? also htop writes 192/2004MB (wich is around 10%) but indicates around 30% with the memorybar... http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/8263/loaddifference.jpg [12:36] moetunes: I guess I have to install raidar in Windows as well then [12:36] moetunes: Oh and btw, do you know if its possible to make unrar/ark using the option -kb by default always when extractin archives? [12:36] oxymoron: that's a bummer [12:36] Benkinooby: i think that your dock use the whole memory used (with the cached memory), instead of htop wich show you the real memory used [12:37] oxymoron: maybe an alias in .bashrc? [12:37] Unibozu: the cached memory = swap? [12:38] as i know, cached memory is some memory that stay after you close your app. This can speedup your next app launching [12:39] but this fragments can be overwriten if you need more memory [12:39] moetunes: I got it working with "sudo bash ./RAIDar_Linux_4_1_6.sh -c" in console mode ... [12:40] Unibozu: ure right, i changed the indication of my meroy to text instead of bar and see: 216M used, 53M buffered, 480M cached [12:40] the swap is used if you dont have enought memory for your running app. So the system will use this space [12:40] ;) [12:40] moetunes: Damn it, password protected and dont remember password [12:41] Unibozu: so di i need to care about cached memory? will it influnece my memory/system in a negive way? [12:41] Kubuntu loves cached memory. I have always 4Go memory used, with sometimes 2.5Go cached [12:41] Go? [12:42] gigabyte? [12:42] no. This memory is only to speedup app launching. If your running app need more memory, the system will automatically delete some cached memory [12:42] yes [12:42] ah ok... i was ust wondering that my system needs abotu 30% memory while running fluxbox... :P [12:43] ok thanks :D... no i can keep on working on my syste in peace :D [12:43] ;) [12:43] oxymoron: not having much luck lately mate :[ [12:43] no -> now [12:44] moetunes: No not really ... [12:49] exit [12:49] quit [12:49] :P [12:49] too much sued to xterm :D [12:49] used [12:50] heh [12:51] moetunes: Parents should never password protect things, if password then children should to lock them out. [12:51] hehe - but if they don't and yhe kids find the option... [12:52] s/yhe/the [12:52] moetunes: .... Parent always forget their pass, kids dont. At least I never forget my passwords, even if theyre like 30 characters long. [12:52] is the netbook menu configurable? [12:53] (yet?) [12:53] oxymoron: would a hard reset of the nas help go back to gefaults? [12:53] moetunes: I saw parent control app on ubuntu before, hahaha I laughed my ass off :D [12:53] heh [12:53] moetunes: Yes hard reset possible but would like to not restart it. [12:53] k :] [12:55] moetunes: Damn it and my dad doesnt answer in phone either ... this isnt my day :D [12:56] moetunes: I also got CRC extract error on Windows 7 ... so "unrar e -kb package.rar" ... and now finally I can burn it. Hopefully I dont install a clean copy on wrong partition :D [12:57] oxymoron: might be time to walk away and do something else for a while :] [12:57] moetunes: Weird that I aint pissed off yet I must say, I am really calm :D I guess I trained my self-control well :P [12:57] heh :] [12:57] moetunes: The problems wont disappear anyway ... [12:58] oxymoron: nope they'll still be there [12:58] moetunes: I havent done anything wrong, the problem is (Sorry eveyrone) crappy programmers [12:59] hmmm why do kdelibs4c2a and kdelibs4c2a-kde3 clash? :( [12:59] moetunes: The only bad move I did was resizing the sdb1 partition and press cancel because someway it didnt only resize, it was moving it first and that would have take forever. [13:00] oxymoron: stoping that sort of thing is rarely good [13:00] moetunes: The reason I was resizing it was because the cylinders was out of bounds, that wasnt my fault. [13:00] no === dg_ is now known as dgvirtual [13:01] moetunes: Well rather stop it than wait for 500 GB moving to the left a little bit on the hdd. [13:01] for sure [13:01] you should not interrupt such actions [13:01] moetunes: I thought on cancel it would rollback, but appararently programmers isnt that skilled doing transaction mode on partitionmanagers with commit and rollback options ... [13:01] nothing to do with programmers [13:02] bazhang: Well, if not I shouldnt be able to do such action? :P [13:02] bazhang: Programmers should limit to lock the cancel button then [13:02] trying things you aren't overly familiar with, then cancelling them out is not optimal [13:03] In other partition managers if you press cancel nothing happens or you gett rollbacl [13:03] *get rollback [13:03] bazhang: I am familiar with it, not familiar with this things [13:07] bazhang: Sorry my gf called me so I typed wrong in my unfocus ... I meant that I am familiar with this kind of things, but I thought Linux were able to paus and rollback things or at least not crash when press cancel ... [13:08] I've no audio board. I can't shutdown properly until I kill kmix! Any idea? [13:10] (if I try to remove kmix package, it wants to remove kubuntu-desktop as well) [13:10] bazhang: Its weird all partition managers I have been using today (around 10 different ones), all of them show different things xD [13:11] bazhang: The only one that find my partition correctly is Acronis [13:11] bazhang: Acronis cant convert it into true NTFS in recovery mode though, need to be done inside Windows ... which take me to my Windows problem :D [13:12] markit: tried killall -v kmix ? [13:12] * oxymoron is gone for awhile installing crappy Windows ... cya all and thanks moetunes, bazhang abd everyone else for your patience, help and listen to my "bullshit" in this channel! :D [13:12] moetunes: works fine, and is why I know that after that shutdown works perfectly [13:12] but can't tell the teacher of the school to do it everytime he has to turn it off [13:13] moetunes: so I need kmix not to start at the first place [13:15] markit: I'm not sure where kmix starts from but you could add killall kmix to autostarted apps [13:30] moetunes: thanks, but I would like it not to damage my shutdown, or not to start at all [13:31] I'm hunting the cause of the shutdown problem since 3 days [13:31] has been just luck I've at least figure out what's wrong [13:31] wondering if there is a log somewhere about the shutdown process [13:33] Help, upgraded from 9.10 to 10.04, now X won't login. At KDM, when I type user/pass screen blinks and returns to KDM. X log tells me driver problem, savage driver, some problem with framemapping range. Tried changing to vesa failsafe, or any other driver, and then KDM doesnt start, X just hangs forever. Any fix anyone? [13:37] invzim: mmm I've no idea. Maybe have a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log [13:37] I did [13:37] or add a different user and try to login with it, if happens after login [13:37] i said, some driver problem [13:38] hello all, I am having issue with knetworkmanager, it says "Network management disabled" [13:38] I see that my computer is not asking me for my password for kdewallet [13:38] and I am thinking that might be it [13:39] I do not know if I should add the interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces or if it is done by knetworkmanagement [13:39] hi, how do I change the default kernel? I just installed preempt and it keeps defaulting to -generic === fusion45 is now known as fusion44 [13:55] Help, upgraded from 9.10 to 10.04, now X won't login. At KDM, when I type user/pass screen blinks and returns to KDM. X log tells me driver problem, savage driver, some problem with framemapping range. Tried changing to vesa failsafe, or any other driver, and then KDM doesnt start, X just hangs forever. Any fix anyone? [13:56] you may check your sources and reinstall kde? [14:00] internet: a 10.04 live cd works? [14:00] sorry [14:00] Hmm VirtualBox ... why havent I or anybody else tipped me of that? :D [14:00] invzim has gone, and autocompletion went to "internet" nik [14:05] hello === jon__ is now known as GeminiDragon [14:19] any tip about how to prevent kmix to run? is kde insides a secret or am I googling wrong? [14:19] lot of outdated or confused or not working tips around [14:19] should be a simple mechanism somewhere [14:20] am a newbie in kubuntu.. [14:21] markit: [14:21] markit: are you trying to disable kmix? [14:21] anybody know how to scan over network? [14:22] harjot: if kmix is running, shutdown hangs, so I have to kill it manually each time... prefer not having it started at all [14:22] ok [14:22] markit: it shouldnt hang [14:23] markit: are you on kde3 or kde4? [14:23] harjot: kde 4.4.3 kubuntu 10.04 [14:23] ok [14:23] should kdelibs4c2a be incompatible with kdelibs4c2a-kde3? [14:23] is the ltsp server of the school, I'm despereate :( [14:23] markit: you could have a little autorun thing that starts when you login, and it kills kmix [14:24] is really a war against the wind... ton of time wasted in trying to set things up globally, and now this problem [14:24] harjot: possible that you can't decide what autoruns or not? [14:24] markit: yes [14:25] markit: there is a gui for that let me find it [14:25] open kcontrol [14:25] run kcontrol [14:25] I've no sound board, but kmix starts, funny no? [14:25] yup [14:25] weird [14:25] but i dont think it bothers to detect, it just starts up [14:25] harjot: ok, kcontrol (Iì've the italian version, so I have to remap what you say) [14:25] ok [14:26] let me see if there is a runlevel thing for it [14:26] thanks [14:26] but what I'm sad for is all this "hunting and guessing" for basic functionality and setup [14:27] it's eating hours and hours of my time [14:27] actually, have you tried closing kmix, setting the login manager to continue previous session and then log out and in? [14:27] harjot: I've 100 users, I need a global solution [14:27] Hmmm [14:27] That would be what i did, but you could just create a kill script [14:28] removing the package tells that there are dependencies with the desktop, and want to remove the desktop [14:28] harjot: because it's an hack, and sooner or later you will pay for it [14:28] and I hardly belive that I'm hostage of KDE [14:28] Ha, ok i will look for a more global solution [14:28] just a sec [14:29] I've the bad feeling that desktop development has forgot that we are on a multiuser system [14:29] so you can't have configuration be able to be made only at user level [14:29] harjot: thanks a lot, I'm so tired and hungry that I can't find/fight anymore [14:32] maybe I've to manually remove /usr/share/autostart/kmix_autostart.desktop [14:32] Yes\ [14:32] That looks like it [14:32] That prob will work [14:32] Try it and let me know [14:32] so for each feature is a matter of diggin for hours and guess what to do and do it manually [14:33] and once I will plug a sound card in that server, I'm doomed with kmix, except if I copy that file somewhere and remember to restore it [14:36] ok, moved the file in /root, and rebooting [14:37] still running :( [14:38] restore_kmix_volumes.desktop:Exec=kmixctrl --restore [14:38] maybe I have to modify those files also [14:38] seems a nightmare to me [14:39] btw, reboot works fine, is shutdown that hangs [14:40] and only with the new video card [14:40] and seems not to hang if I reinstall it partially [14:40] so I'm in a really confused and impossible to debug condition [14:41] shutdown process seems to produce no logs, maybe log daemon is killed first [14:41] After horrible upgrade from karmic to lucid, I find a weird workaround. KDM screen used to blink when I logged in and a fatal X server was logged. So I stopped kdm, rmmod savage (video driver), modprobe savagefb, and type startx from the console instead of going to kdm. And now I am running here! What is going on? How can I make it work the right way? [14:42] seems kdeinit4 is who runs kmix === abad is now known as d4n0n3 === nicolas_ is now known as xmephisto22x [14:46] markit: IM on kde3 so i wouldnt really know [14:46] harjot: lol, thanks anyway [14:46] np [14:51] markit: so did you remove the file in /usr/share/autostart? [14:51] Because apparently thats where it is [14:51] yes, I did [14:52] Did it work? [14:52] not at all [14:52] Does kmix still launch? [14:52] kmix runs (ps -A | grep kmix) [14:52] ps ax | grep kmix shows is run by kdeinit4 [14:52] Yes that is true [14:53] Kdeinit4 does run it [14:53] I'll try to remove kmix program entirely then [14:53] wont that remove the desktop [14:54] harjot: I'm really too tired and depressed [14:54] I also fought with my children and wife because I needed silence [14:54] Oh [14:54] but is sunday, and I'm still wasing my life and time with those crap [14:55] Try and find out if there are any parameters that allow you to force an uninstall [14:55] Ignoring all dependants [14:55]