[00:45] <jmcantrell> does anyone use an asus ULxxVT? I'm trying to get the graphics card working
[00:48] <penguin42> jmcantrell: It's unlikely (but possible) that it's specific to that model; more likely it's specific to the card type - you can find that with lspci | grep -i vga    , but note if you are using lucid you should be asking this on #ubuntu now
[00:51] <acicula> jmcantrell, dual gpu version?
[00:52] <penguin42> ah dual gpu is always good fun
[00:52] <acicula> optimus even perhaps, try disabling one of the gpu's in the bios to start?
[00:56] <jmcantrell> acicula: yeah, hybrid graphics, and it can't be disabled in the bios
[00:57] <penguin42> hmm that's annoying
[00:57] <penguin42> jmcantrell: OK, so what does show up on lspci | grep -i vga ?
[00:58] <jmcantrell> penguin42: it's installing now. i'll have to get that in a bit
[00:59] <jmcantrell> penguin42: what happened before was it prompted me to install the proprietary nvidia drivers, did that, rebooted, and it just boots to black
[00:59] <acicula> enable nomodesetting , or try intel
[00:59]  * penguin42 doesn't know the nvidia stuff much
[01:00] <jmcantrell> i wonder how much battery i would save if i switch off the nvidia card and just use the intel graphics
[01:00] <penguin42> probably quite a bit
[01:00] <jmcantrell> i'm not gaming, do you think intel graphics is sufficient?
[01:00] <acicula> yeah
[01:00] <jmcantrell> cool
[01:01] <acicula> though the nvidia chip will be usefull for video decoding
[01:01] <jmcantrell> dammit
[01:01] <acicula> which you can do in software too
[01:01] <lenios> or flash hd
[01:01] <jmcantrell> acicula: how will the intel graphics handle it?
[01:02] <acicula> jmcantrell, awesome if intel ever decideds to implement it for linux
[01:02] <lenios> it will skip frames
[01:02] <jmcantrell> ah
[01:02] <lenios> or slow down
[01:02] <acicula> jmcantrell, so it is in full software
[01:02] <acicula> an isomething should handle most h.264 just fine though
[01:03] <acicula> it'll just suck a lot of juice doing it
[01:03] <jmcantrell> acicula: the nvidia card wouldn't as much?
[01:03] <arand> jmcantrell: Hmm, I'm not sure if it might help, but "rdblacklist=nouveau" has been useful for me, although that's for locking up when plymouth is already running...
[01:03] <acicula> its a 310M right?
[01:03] <jmcantrell> i'm trying to figure out if i should just try to get the nvidia card up or disable it
[01:03] <jmcantrell> acicula: g210m
[01:04] <acicula> same deal
[01:04] <jmcantrell> arand: i think it's having trouble with plymouth
[01:04] <acicula> jmcantrell, it'll save you power to turn it off
[01:04] <arand> jmcantrell: Why are we not surprised :)
[01:04] <jmcantrell> acicula: like 10%, 50%?
[01:05] <acicula> let me get my magic 8-ball
[01:05] <jmcantrell> heh
[01:05] <acicula> think its in the sub 10W range and idles at a 1 or 2w if not used
[01:05] <jmcantrell> if i'm using the nvidia card, will the intel graphics still be drawing power?
[01:06] <jmcantrell> how can i just disable plymouth?
[01:06] <acicula> The power consumption of the mobile  graphics card is - like the 110M - 14 Watt (TDP). Furthermore, according to Nvidia, the new improved core does only need half of the power in Idle mode.
[01:07] <jmcantrell> interesting
[01:07] <DanaG> hmm, depending on how much you do in Linux, it may be better to go to the Intel GPU.
[01:07] <acicula> tbh with 16cores i doubt you'd see any difference at all bar at games
[01:07] <DanaG> How much 3D stuff do you do?
[01:08] <jmcantrell> none. i would be viewing a bit of video though. flash, avi, etc
[01:08] <bjsnider> hd video?
[01:09] <jmcantrell> possibly, no more than 720p
[01:09] <bjsnider> you'd save power by using vdpau in that event
[01:09] <DanaG> Hmm, I wonder if there are Intel va-api packages.
[01:09] <bjsnider> ie, by using the nvidia driver
[01:10] <bjsnider> i already have the intel vaapi driver built in my ppa
[01:10] <jmcantrell> ok. so what about the power consumption of intel graphics?
[01:10] <jmcantrell> bjsnider: how do i get that in lucid?
[01:10] <bjsnider> but the problem is the code necessary to drive it is not in the xorg intel driver
[01:10] <bjsnider> lucid's intel driver does not have the vaapi code
[01:11] <jmcantrell> i'm referring to the nvidia driver. what do i need to install?
[01:11] <acicula> is the vaapi code in xorg drivers at all yet?
[01:11] <bjsnider> vaapi works on poulsbo, nvidia and fglrx for selected ati hardware
[01:12] <bjsnider> jmcantrell, install nvidia-current through jockey
[01:12] <jmcantrell> bjsnider: and the problem with booting to black?
[01:12] <jmcantrell> which happens when i install the proprietary driver
[01:13] <bjsnider> you've got dual graphics?
[01:13] <bjsnider> it's picking the intel chip. you need to disable it in the bios
[01:13] <jmcantrell> bjsnider: no way to do that
[01:13] <bjsnider> then you're out of luck
[01:13] <acicula> hes got a laptop with optimus
[01:14] <bjsnider> dual graphics without a manual switch ain't well supported in linux yet
[01:19] <jmcantrell> great
[01:20] <penguin42> jmcantrell: One of the things to watch out for is switching for other OSs, i.e. if they sometimes leave it in one state and sometimes leave it in the other things get confused I think
[01:23] <jmcantrell> btw. lspci is showing the graphics card as the g210m without installing any drivers
[01:23] <penguin42> yeh it doesn't need drivers to figure that out
[01:24] <penguin42> jmcantrell: So it looks like that's the one thats currently enabled so it will need the NVidia drivers probably
[01:24] <penguin42> jmcantrell: as long as it leaves it like that then it shouldn't be much worse than a laptop with just nvidia
[01:24] <jmcantrell> should i worry about the intel graphics draining my battery?
[01:25] <penguin42> no
[01:25] <jmcantrell> ok
[01:25] <jmcantrell> thanks for the help guys
[01:35] <DanaG> bjsnider: does gma950 support any va-api?
[01:36] <DanaG> Probably not.
[01:47] <bjsnider> DanaG, starts with the gma4500
[01:47] <DanaG> ah.
[02:09] <Volkodav> anybody has /var/log and /var/tmp mounted at tmpfs ?
[02:10] <Volkodav> I see there was a bug but not sure if it was fixed though?
[03:38] <jmcantrell> is there a ppa for the kernel? i would like to try something past .32
[03:42] <Volkodav> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[11:14] <Micc_> Does 10.04 have a partition resize tool?
[11:15] <dupondje-> Micc_: yes, but ask #ubuntu :) this is 10.10 channel :)
[11:16] <Micc_> oh, I guess 10.04 isn't +1 anymore :)
[14:18]  * Crashbit esperando a ver cuando le llega el Nexus One
[14:19] <SwedeMike> !es | Crashbit
[14:20] <Crashbit> SwedeMike: sorry, I made a /ame
[14:25] <BUGabundo> Crashbit: freenode doesn't really like the use (abuse) of /ames
[14:26] <BUGabundo> Crashbit: bit OTA for n1 is out. just refresh it, or get it directly and flash
[14:31] <Crashbit> BUGabundo: yes, I know ... I'm awaiting the Nexus that I purchased in Spain (vodafone)
[14:31] <BUGabundo> ah
[14:31] <BUGabundo> its already available in spain?
[14:37] <Crashbit> not officially, but you can install without problems
[14:39] <BUGabundo> not install... buy...
[14:39] <BUGabundo> n1 is only available online, in USA, canada, UK, singapure, and HK
[14:39] <BUGabundo> Crashbit: do you mind moving this talk to #android ? bit OT here
[16:23] <BUGabundo> WOW, an OOo "confirmed" [wish]bug... that's rare
[16:23] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/537433
[16:27] <penguin42> it is rare, but I've got an Impress bug that's apparently due to be fixed in 10.04.1 (already fixed upstream I think)
[16:39] <Volkodav> anybody has /var/log mounted on tmpfs ?
[16:39] <BUGabundo> check
[16:39] <Volkodav> seems like the bug was not fixed
[16:40] <BUGabundo> none on /var/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[16:40] <BUGabundo> is, but not log
[16:40] <BUGabundo> would be pretty stupid to put logs in tmpfs
[16:40] <Volkodav> for SSD life on this box I can care less
[16:42] <Volkodav> hear that BUGabundo
[16:43] <BUGabundo> okay
[16:43] <Volkodav> the question was about mountall behaviour
[16:43] <BUGabundo> ahh
[16:43] <Volkodav> if /var/log is empty - it does not mount
[16:43] <Volkodav> so seems like the bug is not fixed
[16:44] <penguin42> Volkodav: Was it you who was asking about that a few weeks back?
[16:44] <Volkodav> no
[16:44] <penguin42> ok
[16:44] <Volkodav> why?
[16:45] <penguin42> Volkodav: So my view is that if you want to put /var/log on tmpfs I would use a union mount or similar - because you want the structures created by various apps - I don't think simply mounting /var/log as tmpfs will work
[16:46] <Volkodav> it works with the script
[16:47] <Volkodav> but the bug closed as fixed
[16:47] <penguin42> ah you have a script to fake up the contents? That's fair
[16:47] <Volkodav> so I tried and did not fly
[16:48] <Volkodav> without the script
[16:49] <penguin42> well if it's not fixed reopen it
[16:49] <Volkodav> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/479429
[16:51] <penguin42> Volkodav: Just change it back to New (or maybe confirmed?)
[16:52] <Volkodav> penguin42: - I have to double check couple of things before reopening
[16:52] <Volkodav> I will know in a bit
[16:52]  * Volkodav rechecking the fstab
[17:00] <Volkodav> all good - it works
[21:29] <BUGabundo> totem is dead
[21:29] <BUGabundo> need someone to confirm
[21:29] <BUGabundo> and cheese too
[21:30] <rww> BUGabundo: elaborate on "dead"
[21:31] <BUGabundo> BOOM
[21:31] <BUGabundo> open any file
[21:31] <BUGabundo> audio, video
[21:31] <BUGabundo> and it blows
[21:31] <BUGabundo> could be codecs
[21:31] <BUGabundo> let me fetch updates
[21:31] <BUGabundo> and recheck
[21:32] <arand> BUGabundo: I'll check it...
[21:32] <rww> ah. I reported that the other day (it happens if I open totem without telling it to open a file too, probably not codecs), but it's still private waiting for retracing.
[21:32] <BUGabundo> cc me please
[21:32] <BUGabundo> ill apt-collect mine
[21:32] <BUGabundo> started last nigh for me
[21:33] <arand> rww: Bug no?
[21:33] <rww> BUGabundo: done
[21:33] <BUGabundo> thanks
[21:33] <rww> I'll unmark private on it, there shoudn't be anything interesting in there
[21:33] <BUGabundo> ahah
[21:33] <BUGabundo> never think that
[21:34] <BUGabundo> once I had to exchange 3 emails with a triager
[21:34] <BUGabundo> cause he though I had a pass in a log
[21:34] <rww> arand: 584123
[21:34] <BUGabundo> after all it was just a field :)
[21:34] <rww> ubottu: 584123
[21:34] <rww> geh, what is the syntax for those thing
[21:34] <rww> ubottu: bug 584123
[21:34] <rww> there we go
[21:34] <arand> Need to say "bug".. yea
[21:36] <BUGabundo> ehih
[21:36] <BUGabundo> ok... should I file one for cheese too?
[21:36] <BUGabundo> or wait for A1?
[21:36] <BUGabundo> I know most devs specially gnome folkes
[21:36] <BUGabundo> won't care so early
[21:37] <BUGabundo> and I already spent my quota of open, non triaged, dead in the water bugs
[21:37] <rww> if it's happening to multiple gnome programs, it's probably a library bug, rather than a bug in the programs themselves
[21:37] <rww> are you getting the same error as in that bug report, with cheese if you run it in the terminal?
[21:38] <arand> Blargh, Metacity just bust :(
[21:39] <rww> yeah, i've been having fun with metacity going crazy if I try to play video (in vlc, for example). haven't filed that yet
[21:40] <BUGabundo> The error was 'BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)'.
[21:40] <BUGabundo>   (Details: serial 77 error_code 8 request_code 132 minor_code 19)
[21:40] <arand> Yea. Same error when I start totem, I'll mark it confirmed
[21:41] <BUGabundo> lol
[21:41] <BUGabundo> so which lib is causing iy?
[21:41] <BUGabundo> *it
[21:41] <BUGabundo> anyone got a apt-log at hand?
[21:41] <rww> dunno. I probably need to redo that stack trace with some more -dbg packages installed anyway
[21:42] <rww> I'm stuck with not breaking things until I get done with homework tonight, though, so I haven't yet
[21:46] <BUGabundo> there aint ddebs for maverick yet
[21:46] <BUGabundo> been waiting for that
[21:46] <BUGabundo> until then, no traces
[21:47] <arand> Urgh, metacity breaks as soon as firefox launches...
[21:47] <BUGabundo> ff ?
[21:47] <BUGabundo> ppl still use that?
[21:47] <BUGabundo>  /rant
[21:48] <arand> And not input into any window :(
[21:48] <arand> It's default (and I could rant how all other browsers suck, but I'll save that one..)
[21:49] <BUGabundo> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[21:49] <BUGabundo>   kdepimlibs-data{a}
[21:49] <BUGabundo> The following packages will be upgraded:
[21:49] <BUGabundo>   kdepim-runtime kdepimlibs5 kmail libkdepim4 libkleo4 libkpgp4 libksieve4 libmimelib4
[21:49] <BUGabundo> humm should I dare?
[21:49] <arand> BUGabundo: Look at changelogs ;)
[21:49] <BUGabundo> naaa
[21:50] <BUGabundo> I stop that last cycle
[21:50]  * BUGabundo presses Y, and says good bye to email
[21:51] <arand> aptitude changelog, anyone? :>
[21:51]  * BUGabundo is done spamming rww bugs
[21:51] <BUGabundo> does that work again?
[21:51] <BUGabundo> my bug on that is still open
[21:51] <BUGabundo> ..for two cycles
[21:52] <BUGabundo> kdepimlibs (4:4.4.2-0ubuntu2) lucid; urgency=low
[21:52] <BUGabundo> humm lucid???
[21:52] <BUGabundo> wth
[21:53] <BUGabundo>      4:4.4.2-0ubuntu2 0
[21:53] <BUGabundo>         500 http://mirrors.fe.up.pt/pub/ubuntu/ lucid/main Packages
[21:53] <BUGabundo> eeewww
[21:53] <arand> yea the changelog only works for some packages, wich is stupid imo...
[21:53] <BUGabundo> fail to build for maverick
[21:53] <BUGabundo> The following packages are BROKEN:
[21:53] <BUGabundo>   python-twisted-conch
[21:53] <BUGabundo> NEXT
[21:54] <BUGabundo> totem-plugins-extra
[21:54] <BUGabundo> rings any bells?
[21:54] <BUGabundo> *** No more solutions available ***
[21:54] <BUGabundo> oh thanks aptitude
[21:58] <arand> rww: Well I get the exact same message apart from the "core dumped" http://pastebin.com/rhkTpu4J Is the upgrade log, I'm personally suspecting all those libc:s
[22:08] <BUGabundo> guys
[22:08] <BUGabundo> what ML would be better to discuss this new prob
[22:08] <BUGabundo> that MSFT is making OEMs prefill PCs with 4 primary partitions?
[22:09] <BUGabundo> making it impossible for common users to install another OS?
[22:11] <duffydack> they`d usually have enough knowledge to get around that if they were wanting to install another os.. I would think, anyway.
[22:12] <BUGabundo> no
[22:12] <BUGabundo> give a livecd to a new users
[22:12] <BUGabundo> and they will be stuck
[22:12] <BUGabundo> even the Installer will
[22:12] <arand> MSFT?
[22:12] <BUGabundo> it can't install more partitions
[22:12] <BUGabundo> arand: Microsoft
[22:14] <arand> Hmm, True... This one did come with all four I think, dell diagnostics, dell recovery, Vista, and then mediadirect...
[22:14] <arand> Well, the idea there is to replace mediadirect I guess :D
[22:14] <bjsnider> that partition scheme has been the norm for dell since midway through 2004
[22:15] <arand> *replace mediadirect with unity
[22:15] <duffydack> my dells have always been #1 diagnostic #2 recovery #3 Os.
[22:15] <arand> But yea, for users trying to install another OS, not fun.
[22:16] <arand> Yea MediaDirect is a speciality only for some computers.
[22:17] <arand> So, yea... I get metacity crashing whenever I start either OO.org or FFox
[22:18] <bjsnider> mediadirect is for laptops with media control buttons on them
[22:18] <bjsnider> you can play a flick fromt he mediadirect os without having to boot to windows
[22:21] <arand> bjsnider: Or set up one button to boot one partition, and the other to another ;)
[22:22] <arand> bjsnider: Or if you provide some info to the grub devs, use the buttons to set the default boot option in grub :DD
[22:25] <bjsnider> oh, that would be fun
[22:26] <arand> bjsnider: I spoke to phcoder yesterday, today my model has support for GRUB_BUTTON_DEFAULT(menuentry) in defaults/grub In current bzr trunk :D
[22:33] <arand> Am I the only one seeing the metacity crash on FF or OO.org here?
[22:36] <BUGabundo> all this is fun
[22:36] <BUGabundo> but what are our options?
[22:43] <arand> BUGabundo: Huh?
[22:44] <BUGabundo> for installing Ubuntu on such systems
[22:47] <mpontillo> the solution is clear: delete all other partitions ;)
[22:48] <arand> BUGabundo: You mean the four-partitioned ones? well mediadirect normally comes in an extended I think, so it is theoretically possible to install ubuntu as per normal, but this will likely disable mediadirect (depends on extended's VBR for boot afaik), and be a bit tricky to account for in the logic...
[22:48] <BUGabundo> mpontillo: I agree
[22:48] <BUGabundo> arand: all I've see are primary
[22:49] <arand> Ah, then one's pretty screwed, true.
[22:49] <duffydack> I thought dell would support Ubuntu a bit more by now..
[22:50] <duffydack> If they went with the netbook thing, I thought why not carry it on with the desktop for other models.
[22:50] <arand> No market, to be honest.
[22:52] <arand> I do think the push for a dual-boot in every home, with ubu light is a good one though. Sneaky, but hopefully effective.
[22:59] <BUGabundo> how does that work?
[23:38] <arand> Oh, the metacity crash was already reported: Bug #584287
[23:51] <BUGabundo> wth
[23:51] <BUGabundo> lost the cursor in two of my pidgin chat windows
[23:51] <BUGabundo> but its fine everywhere elesd
[23:51] <BUGabundo> *else