[04:25] <iantlopp> just installed celestia via aptitude, but it didn't put a shortcut in applications. I can run it via terminal, but I'd like to have a shortcut for it. How would I add one?
[04:29] <Appl6> iantlopp: System -> Preferences -> Main Menu.  Choose the folder you'd like to place it under, and select New Item.  Give it a name, and use the command you would use to execute it from the terminal.
[04:30] <iantlopp> I just use celestia.. I don't have to select the directory it's installed in?
[04:31] <Appl6> iantlopp: Not if it's in your path.
[04:31] <iantlopp> yay, awesome, it works :)
[04:31] <iantlopp> btw, anyone into astronomy, I highly recommend it.
[04:47] <pizza_the_hut> hey there all, was wondering if anyone could help me with terminal server client
[04:48] <pizza_the_hut> I am trying to connect to a friend's computer running windows 7
[04:48] <That_Wiki_Guy> pizza_the_hut: Are you using ubuntu?
[04:48] <pizza_the_hut> but I am unable to connect
[04:48] <pizza_the_hut> yes, I am using ubuntu
[04:49] <That_Wiki_Guy> What version
[04:49] <That_Wiki_Guy> 10.04?
[04:49] <pizza_the_hut> does it make a difference that his machine is connected thru wifi?
[04:49] <That_Wiki_Guy> No it shouldn't
[04:49] <pizza_the_hut> hmm... let check my version
[04:49] <pizza_the_hut> it should be the latest one
[04:50] <geirha> Which program are you trying to connect with?
[04:50] <pizza_the_hut> terminal server client
[04:50] <geirha> nvm, you already stated that :)
[04:50] <That_Wiki_Guy> Go to Applications -> Internet -> Remote Desktop
[04:50] <geirha> That_Wiki_Guy: No, that only does vnc
[04:51] <That_Wiki_Guy> geirha: Well he's just trying to connect to a pc is he not?
[04:51] <That_Wiki_Guy> geirha: Therefore it shouldn't pose a problem
[04:51] <geirha> Sure, but his friend will have to install a vnc server
[04:52] <pizza_the_hut> btw, my version is 10.04
[04:52] <geirha> pizza_the_hut: Are you able to connect to it with any other protocol?
[04:53] <pizza_the_hut> i haven't tried any other protocols
[04:53] <nomnex> isn't it "terminal server client" to connect to a windoze using RDC?
[04:53] <geirha> nomnex: Yes.
[04:53] <nomnex> geirha, so that should work out of the box
[04:54] <geirha> pizza_the_hut: And both machines are on the same network (lan)?
[04:54] <pizza_the_hut> they are not on the same network
[04:54] <pizza_the_hut> his machine is about a mile away :D
[04:55] <geirha> Ok, then your friend most likely need to forward the correct port on his router
[04:55] <pizza_the_hut> i don't follow
[04:55] <That_Wiki_Guy> And IP Address
[04:56] <geirha> pizza_the_hut: You cannot access his computer if it's behind a router, you can only contact the router
[04:57] <geirha> So your friend needs to tell the router that any remote desktop connections should be forwarded to his computer
[04:57] <pizza_the_hut> how is that accomplished?
[04:57] <geirha> http://portforward.com/english/applications/port_forwarding/Remote_Desktop/Remote_Desktopindex.htm
[04:57] <geirha> That one has instructions for tons of different routers
[04:58] <nomnex> That_Wiki_Guy, this how to for your friends http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/mobility/getstarted/remoteintro.mspx
[04:58] <That_Wiki_Guy> nomnex: Ah I didn't need the help dude
[04:59] <pizza_the_hut> so once he sets up this port forwarding, I should be able to use RDP to get in?
[05:00] <nomnex> That_Wiki_Guy, okay then. as geirha suggested VNC would be a better option if your friend can install it.
[05:00] <geirha> Yes, by connecting to the router's external IP
[05:01] <That_Wiki_Guy> nomnex: Im not the one who needs help dude.. I give help
[05:01] <geirha> VNC and RDP are different protocols with different use cases
[05:01] <nomnex> That_Wiki_Guy, oh my... sorry about it.
[05:02] <That_Wiki_Guy> nomnex: Its cool..I'm sure the guy who was asking the questions will get the info...
[05:02] <ddecator> That_Wiki_Guy: now now, even members don't know everything about ubuntu :p
[05:02] <That_Wiki_Guy> nomnex: I was trying to help him out lol
[05:03] <geirha> nomnex: And I didn't suggest using VNC ;P
[05:03] <That_Wiki_Guy> Lol
[05:03] <nomnex> so well, I do
[05:04] <nomnex> RDC sucks big time, there is not VPN, it's slow...
[05:04] <nomnex> RDP...
[05:05] <geirha> Well, with vnc you take control of a logged in session. With rdp, you open a separate session.
[05:08] <ddecator> not sure what the goal is, but connecting with ssh gives you terminal access to a remote server
[05:08] <ddecator> just throwing that out there ;)
[05:09] <pizza_the_hut> looks like my friend doesn't have physical access to his router until the morning. Will try again then. Thanks for the help, fellas!
[05:11] <That_Wiki_Guy> pizza_the_hut: No problem
[05:11] <That_Wiki_Guy> pizza_the_hut: Definetly come back
[05:12] <pizza_the_hut> will do!!
[05:12] <nomnex> pizza_the_hut, if you are still here you can take a look there https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/39552, there is mention of NTRconnect, that could help? I have never tried it. I don't even know it.
[05:12] <ddecator> ssh + irssi + screen = win
[05:12] <nomnex> pizza_the_hut, it was a request for Team Viewer on Linux (if you know this app, it's very handy, but not ported on Linux)
[05:13] <geirha> pizza_the_hut: Is your computer behind a firewall/router?
[05:14] <geirha> If he can connect to you with ssh, he can open a tunnel, and you can connect through that.
[05:14] <pizza_the_hut> nomnex: not familiar, can you tell me a bit more?
[05:14] <pizza_the_hut> geirha: I am behind a router
[05:16] <geirha> Well, if you forward port 22, your friend can connect and set up a tunnel for port 3389 with putty
[05:17] <geirha> http://oldsite.precedence.co.uk/nc/putty.html
[05:19] <geirha> Once the (remote) tunnel is up, you can connect to port 3389 on localhost
[05:23] <nomnex> pizza_the_hut, no offense geirha, but if you want the easy way, team viewer is ported on Linux http://teamviewer.com/download/index.aspx
[05:24] <nomnex> I have just read, there is a .deb file available and it's router pass-trough, you don't need any setting
[05:24] <nomnex> for casual use with a remote Win box, that's a good take
[05:26] <nomnex> personally I would go for geirha, but that's more work on both sides (if your friend can do it?)
[05:26] <nomnex> my mom, surely can't ;-)
[05:30] <pizza_the_hut> my friend is kinda inept lol
[05:30] <pizza_the_hut> i'll wait for the morning, but i will read into these other options :D
[05:31] <nomnex> pizza_the_hut, I guess Team Viewer is for both of u then. It's free (with a monthly limit of time). Good luck
[05:33] <geirha> Hehe, my mom tried using a computer once. She called me up because she had done a search, and now she wanted to search for another thing, but she was unable to remove the previous search term.
[05:35] <geirha> So I told here to hit the button above the Enter key until the previous text was gone. She replied «That's what I'm trying, but it just adds +es to the end.
[05:37] <nomnex> geirha, she must be using Mikeysoft, their OS is so confusing.
[05:38] <geirha> No, actually I think it was the Ubuntu computer I set up last I was home.
[05:39] <nomnex> geirha, ur mom using Ubuntu, nice :-)
[05:39] <geirha> Problem was, the only key that says "Enter" is on the numpad
[05:40] <geirha> So she typed the key above that one, which is a + key
[05:40]  * tati asks would anyone know what plug in i need to use brasero disc burning?
[05:40] <geirha> tati: Should be installed out-of-theD[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D-box
[05:41] <geirha> What the... where did all those [Ds come from?!
[05:41] <nomnex> tati, none, but there is a bug with the Normalize plug-in, you need to disable it or you session will not complete (dunno if they have fixed it on 10.04, but it is still present on 9.10)
[05:42] <tati> i'm trying to upgrade from 8.04 to 10.04 and i'm not able to burn the file to my cd
[05:44] <tati> this is what shows up when i try to burn to the cd:  the medium is not availabe with the current set of plugins
[05:46] <nomnex> upgrade or clean install? Can't you upgrade using apt-get directly?
[05:48] <nomnex> do you try with a clean empty DVD instead of a CD?
[05:48] <tati> no....i only bought cds
[05:49] <tati> ddin't think that i could a dvd
[05:49] <tati> i mean use a dvd
[05:49] <tati> how would i use apt-get?
[05:50] <nomnex> The Ubuntu image is highly compressed, it did work better on a DVD
[05:52] <nomnex> system > software sources > updates > release update and select Long Term release
[05:53] <nomnex> it will modify your sources.list file and add the 10.04 source, then you should be able to update using System > Update manager
[05:55] <nomnex> personal: I would highly recommend a clean install (if you have a Intel 855 GPU - there is a bug, and you won't be able to use 10.04)
[05:56] <tati> the problem is i'm not able to burn to a cd.....and can't burn to a usb stick...i don't have any blank dvds
[05:57] <nomnex> do you test your drive burning something else on a CD?
[05:58] <tati> yup....the cd is not recognized in the cd drive....
[05:58] <nomnex> sounds like a generic error message, not necessary related to a plug-in
[05:59] <tati> what does this mean? : the medium is not availabe with the current set of plugins
[06:00] <nomnex> is your version Intrepid?
[06:01] <tati> i have 8.04 lts
[06:01] <tati> i think its called hardy heron
[06:01] <ddecator> idk what plugin would be needed for a blank cd, but ubuntu-restricted-extras has a lot of plugins and codecs that can't be included by default, something in there might help
[06:01] <nomnex> yes,right
[06:02] <tati> any suggestions?
[06:02] <nomnex> you could try $ cdrecord myfile.iso
[06:03] <tati> ok
[06:03] <nomnex> or install gnome backer sudo apt-get install gnomebaker and see if it works
[06:04] <tati> what does  $ cdrecord myfile.iso do?
[06:04] <nomnex> gnomebaker is a GUI and (i guess) it uses cdrecord?
[06:06] <nomnex> cdrecord is a commond line to burn CD, DVD, ISO, etc. http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/cdrecord.html
[06:07] <tati> this came up: wodim: No write mode specified. wodim: Asuming -tao mode. wodim: Future versions of wodim may have different drive dependent defaults. wodim: Operation not permitted. Warning: Cannot raise RLIMIT_MEMLOCK limits.Device was not specified. Trying to find an appropriate drive... Using /dev/cdrom of unknown capabilities Device type    : Removable CD-ROM Version        : 5 Response Format: 2 Capabilities   :  Vendor
[06:09] <iantlopp> ummm.. why would explorer.exe be listed as a running process on my system?
[06:11] <nomnex> can you try installing gnomebaker first? in the terminla sudo apt-get install gnomebake
[06:11] <tati> ok i'll try that
[06:13] <nomnex> if that does not work, look down this page for your option using the command line, there are mkisofs or cdrecord (I use the first)
[06:13] <nomnex> link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CdDvd/Burning
[06:13] <nomnex> good luck
[06:15] <tati> nomnex: how do i uninstall this?
[06:16] <nomnex> tati, what?
[06:17] <nomnex> tati, I meant install what...
[06:18] <tati> nomnex: how do i uninstall gnomebaker?
[06:19] <nomnex> tati:: sudo apt-get install gnomebaker
[06:19] <nomnex> is the terminal open?
[06:19] <hobgoblin> install won't uninstall it
[06:22] <nomnex> sudo apt-get remove gnomebaker (sorry)
[06:22] <nomnex> hobgoblin, thanks
[06:22] <hobgoblin> :)
[06:23] <tati> thanks
[06:23] <nomnex> lunch time, see you!
[06:28]  * tati asks what does this mean?  wodim: No write mode specified. wodim: Asuming -tao mode. wodim: Future versions of wodim may have different drive dependent defaults. wodim: Operation not permitted. Warning: Cannot raise RLIMIT_MEMLOCK limits.Device was not specified. Trying to find an appropriate drive... Using /dev/cdrom of unknown capabilities Device type    : Removable CD-ROM Version        : 5 Response Format: 2 Cap
[06:30] <kermiac> tati: not sure exactly what that means. did you get that error using the cdrecord command?
[06:31] <tati> i typed this: cdrecord myfile.iso
[06:33] <kermiac> tati: so you're trying to burn the ubuntu 10.04 iso, right?
[06:33] <tati> yup
[06:34] <kermiac> tati: ok.... where is the iso file? is it on your desktop? also, what is the *exact* name of the file?
[06:34] <ZachK_> kermiac!
[06:34] <ZachK_> kermiac: where have you been dude?
[06:34] <kermiac> hey ZachK_ mate!
[06:37] <tati> ubuntu-10.04-desktop-i386.iso
[06:38] <kermiac> tati: and it's saved on your desktop? or somewhere else?
[06:38] <tati> its on my desktop
[06:39] <kermiac> tati: ok try this in a terminal window...
[06:39] <kermiac> cd Desktop
[06:40] <kermiac> cdrecord ubuntu-10.04-desktop-i386.iso
[06:40] <tati> ok will do
[06:40] <kermiac> ok tati, let me know how it goes :)
[06:41] <tati> this is what came up: wodim: No write mode specified. wodim: Asuming -tao mode. wodim: Future versions of wodim may have different drive dependent defaults. wodim: Operation not permitted. Warning: Cannot raise RLIMIT_MEMLOCK limits.Device was not specified. Trying to find an appropriate drive... Using /dev/cdrom of unknown capabilities Device type    : Removable CD-ROM Version        : 5 Response Format: 2 Capabilities   :
[06:42] <kermiac> ah, ok.... that's not good. time to try something else
[06:43] <kermiac> tati: please try the following command "apt-cache policy brasero" (without the quotes) in a terminal window
[06:43] <kermiac> tati: I only need one line of the output - the "Installed" line
[06:44] <kermiac> e.g on my lucid box it says "Installed: 2.30.0-0ubuntu1"
[06:44] <tati>   Installed: 0.7.1-3ubuntu1
[06:45] <kermiac> tati: ok, we can try to burn the image using brasero then :)
[06:46] <kermiac> tati: in the terminal window (so we can see any erros if they pop up) please type "brasero" (without the quotes).
[06:46] <tati> i've been trying that....hopefully i'll be able to with your help =)
[06:46] <kermiac> tati: this should display the brasero cd burning app
[06:47] <tati> it did
[06:48] <kermiac> tati: ok, can you see the "burn image" button?
[06:49] <tati> just a sec
[06:49] <kermiac> tati: ok :)
[06:50] <tati> yup saw that button
[06:50] <kermiac> tati: ok, click on the "burn image" button.
[06:50] <ddecator> tip: use the slowest speed
[06:51] <kermiac> tati: then you will need to select the "ubuntu-10.04-desktop-i386.iso" on your desktop
[06:52] <tati> this shows up in the box: the medium is not available with the current set of plug-ins
[06:53] <ddecator> something's not right then :\
[06:53] <kermiac> hmm.. same thing :(
[06:53] <tati> actually it says the medium is not writable with the current set of plug-ins
[06:54] <kermiac> ok, I'll try to dig up some more info
[06:54] <tati> ok
[06:55] <ddecator> i wonder if unetbootin would be easier
[06:56] <kermiac> tati: if you right click on the iso file on your desktop, is there anything in the right-click menu saying something about "write to disk"?
[06:56] <kermiac> tati: please close brasero first
[06:56] <tati> ok
[06:57]  * kermiac doesn't have an 8.04 machine or VM here to verify atm
[06:57] <tati> yes
[06:57] <kermiac> tati: ok, what happens when you click on that?
[06:58] <hobgoblin> is this on 8.04? I think there was a bug
[06:59] <ddecator> why yes it is
[06:59] <tati> iit say write disc to file image and it has a  write button
[06:59] <kermiac> hobgoblin: if it's the bug I'm thinking of wasn't it in 0.8? tati has   Installed: 0.7.1-3ubuntu1
[07:00] <kermiac> tati: yes, please click on that & let me know what happens
[07:00] <kermiac> tati: wait
[07:00] <hobgoblin> kermiac: no idea - I'm working on memory at the moment - not enough ine in me to work google
[07:01] <kermiac> hobgoblin: yeah, I know brasero has/had a *lot* of issues :(
[07:01] <hobgoblin> indeed ;)
[07:01] <ZachK_> hey hobgoblin!
[07:01]  * hobgoblin wonders what codes are installed ... 
[07:01] <hobgoblin> hi ZachK_
[07:02] <kermiac> tati: write disc to file image sounds like it wants to write it to another iso file instead of a cd
[07:03] <tati> it said is completed copying the disc image
[07:04] <ddecator> tati: have you tried a different blank CD? brasero has a tendency to not recognize a decent precentage of blank CDs...
[07:05] <kermiac> tati: is there now another .iso file on your desktop or in your "Home" directory"? I think this just made another .iso image
[07:05] <tati> i have a pack of 10 and only tried 3
[07:05] <tati> i actually have 2 iso files on my desktop
[07:05] <tati> should i delete 1?
[07:06] <ddecator> tati: if you have a spare USB drive and the computer can boot from USB, unetbootin might be easier: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[07:08] <kermiac> ddecator: tati doesn't have a usb drive :( I advised them to get some cds as it was the cheaper option
[07:08] <ddecator> ah, ok
[07:09] <ddecator> tati: did you try installing ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[07:09] <tati> i actually have a usb drive now....but its only 2GB....
[07:09] <tati> how do i install ubuntu-restricted extras?
[07:09] <ddecator> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[07:09] <hobgoblin> ZachK_: so how are you then?
[07:10] <ZachK_> hobgoblin: doin ok...u?
[07:10] <ZachK_> hobgoblin: got several projects i'm working on not to mention soon to be college(I hope)
[07:10] <hobgoblin> pretty good ty - I have 2 4 day weeks coming up and a long weekend in between :D
[07:10] <hobgoblin> ZachK_: oh good for you :)
[07:10] <ZachK_> cool
[07:12] <tati> ddecator: will that help?
[07:13] <hobgoblin> tati: if it's not installed it probably would - though possibly you just need some codecs
[07:13] <ddecator> tati: not sure, but it can't hurt. that package contains a lot of codecs that ubuntu can't legally include in the default installation, but users are able to install for free. a codec in there could help with this
[07:13] <kermiac> tati: it's worth a try :)
[07:14] <kermiac> tati: if that doesn't work we may need to try installing another cd burning app - k3b
[07:14] <hobgoblin> tati: what I would do first though - is search in synaptic for gstreamer - make sure you have good bad and ugly
[07:14]  * hobgoblin mutters that brasero should burn an iso without any of that though grrrrr ;)
[07:15]  * tati says this came up on the screen :  ┌───────────────────────┤ Configuring msttcorefonts ├───────────────────────┐  │                                                                           │   │ msttcorefonts uses defoma                                                 │   │                                  
[07:15]  * tati shows: │ msttcorefonts uses defoma                                                 │   │                                                                           │   │ Msttcorefonts uses the DEbian FOnt MAnager (defoma). If you wish to use   │   │ the fonts provided by this package under the X Window System, you must    │   │ configure it to use defoma fonts.                                       
[07:15] <kermiac> hobgoblin: I totally agree... all that tatiis trying to do is burn un ubuntu 10.04 iso
[07:16] <hobgoblin> tati I really hope you're not going to paste the lot :(
[07:17]  * tati says: was just trying to show what came up...
[07:17] <ddecator> hobgoblin: i agree, but brasero keeps complaining about not being able to do it with the current software :\
[07:17] <ddecator> tati: if there is a lot of output, use paste.ubuntu.com :)
[07:18] <hobgoblin> imo restricted extras is overkill - would have been better to go for the codecs - but nvm now :)
[07:18] <hobgoblin> kermiac: I was thinking of k3b too if necessary
[07:18] <ir0n0xid3_> Not a lot of love for Empathy Client.
[07:18]  * hobgoblin neither 
[07:19] <kermiac> hobgoblin: i think that old version of brasero might bee too borked
[07:19] <ddecator> hobgoblin: just wasn't sure what codec would be needed, and rather than go through each one -extras gets all of the likely candidates :p
[07:19] <ir0n0xid3_> Slow as Christmas and cant get a room list.
[07:19] <ddecator> ir0n0xid3_: yah, a lot of people still use pidgin
[07:20] <hobgoblin> ir0n0xid3_: I only use irc so an irc client is enough here
[07:20] <ir0n0xid3_> I can see where they are going with it. It is nice that it correlates everything but very soccer mom.
[07:20] <ddecator> ir0n0xid3_: haha, never heard it put that way
[07:20] <ir0n0xid3_> nothing but love for the soccer moms.
[07:21] <ir0n0xid3_> Im married to one
[07:23] <ir0n0xid3_> Am I lagging or is this room kindof quiet?
[07:23]  * tati says what should i do next?
[07:24] <kermiac> tati: try to burn the original iso again
[07:24] <hobgoblin> tati: if that has installed - try and burn it
[07:24] <ddecator> ir0n0xid3_: it gets quiet at times
[07:24] <hobgoblin> ir0n0xid3_: you might be lagging - but we are not chatting as such - more waiting for tati to do stuff :)
[07:25] <tati> ok
[07:25] <ir0n0xid3_> Whats up with tati? Having some trouble I see.
[07:26]  * tati says i do appreciate the help
[07:26] <ddecator> tati: and we like helping :)
[07:26] <hobgoblin> tati: we know or we would not :)
[07:27] <hobgoblin> easy to tell the trolls from the rest of us it is :)
[07:27] <tati> hehehehhe
[07:27]  * tati says it still doesn't work
[07:27] <hobgoblin> that talsemgeest is a terrible troll
[07:27] <ddecator> hobgoblin: yoda, when did you get in here?
[07:27] <ddecator> k3b time
[07:27] <hobgoblin> ddecator: always here I am
[07:28] <hobgoblin> hang on
[07:28] <ddecator> kermiac: you've had more experience with k3b than me, care to help out? :)
[07:28] <kermiac> ddecator: yup, no probs :)
[07:28] <kermiac> tati: in a terminal window please type the following:
[07:28] <kermiac> sudo apt-get install k3b
[07:32] <Nagesh> hi
[07:32] <tati> it just finished
[07:32] <Nagesh> anyone there?
[07:32] <kermiac> tati: yup
[07:33] <Nagesh> this is nagesh
[07:33] <Nagesh> i have few questons on ubuntu
[07:33] <kermiac> tati: ok, k3b should be listed in your applications menu under "sound and video"
[07:33] <kermiac> tati: please open k3b
[07:34] <Nagesh> i have installed uhuntu and windows xp on same system
[07:34] <Nagesh> how to check where ubuntu is installed
[07:34]  * tati shows : No CD/DVD writer found. K3b did not find an optical writing device in your system. Thus, you will not be able to burn CDs or DVDs. However, you can still use other K3b features like audio track extraction or audio transcoding or ISO9660 image creation.
[07:34] <hobgoblin> Nagesh: sudo fdisk -l
[07:35] <hobgoblin> kermiac: wodim issues I am sure I had the same thing in hardy :(
[07:35] <hobgoblin> tati: is 8.04 completely updated ?
[07:36] <kermiac> hobgoblin: did you workaround them? I haven't had the "pleasure" of dealing with wodim issues before
[07:36] <hobgoblin> kermiac: it was 18 months ago - I'll wield some google fu for a while
[07:36] <tati> i updated it today except for the hplip udate....
[07:37] <kermiac> thanks hobgoblin... I've come across a few things, but nothing that seems like a workaround for this issue :(
[07:39] <hobgoblin> tati: for the moment to get some more information please start brasero or k3b from the terminal and try - then you can paste us the error messages to paste.ubuntu.com
[07:40] <tati> ok
[07:44] <hobgoblin> tati: also run this in a terminal and paste to the pastebin    dpkg -l gstreamer* |grep plugins
[07:45] <tati> i was just wondering how do u see the stuff that i put in the pastebin?
[07:46] <hobgoblin> when you put it in the pastebin - put a name in the box and click the paste button = then give use the new url you get
[07:46] <tati> ok
[07:48]  * tati says heres the link : http://paste.ubuntu.com/438192/
[07:53] <hobgoblin> tati: did you try running k3b from the terminal and trying to get the burn going - there will be output in the terminal - i want to see it
[07:53] <hobgoblin> aluex: welcome back :)
[07:54] <tati> i tried to run k3b from the the main menu
[07:54] <aluex> hobgoblin, nice to meet u
[07:54] <tati> hobgoblin: how would i run it from the terminal?
[07:54] <aluex> hobgoblin, my computer works well now.
[07:54] <hobgoblin> tati: just type k3b and enter
[07:55] <hobgoblin> aluex: great :)
[07:55] <aluex> hobgoblin, i just come here for a wander
[07:55] <hobgoblin> even better :)
[07:56] <aluex> :)
[07:56] <hobgoblin> tati: go to Settings > Configure - then look in the Programs tab - mine does not have wodim - does yours?
[07:57]  * tati says heres the error message from k3b :http://paste.ubuntu.com/438193/
[07:57] <tati> let me check
[07:59] <tati> 'me says can't find the settings on my main menu
[08:01] <tati> hobgoblin: don't know why i don't have settings on my main menu
[08:02]  * hobgoblin neither 
[08:04]  * tati says there was wodim in one of the error messages before
[08:05] <hobgoblin> yea there would have been
[08:08] <tati> hobgoblin: do u need to see that error message again?
[08:10] <hobgoblin> no thanks I have them
[08:10] <tati> ok
[08:11] <hobgoblin> kermiac: I am not finding what I need :( trying to sort through the morass which is burning in hardy is a complete 'mare :(
[08:12] <hobgoblin> tati can you run brasero from the terminal and go through burning the iso
[08:13] <hobgoblin> tati: can I ask what it is you are trying to achieve - if it is burning the iso to install the new ubuntu have you thought about burning to a usb - assuming the machine will boot from usb
[08:14] <tati> hobgoblin: how much memory do u need on an usb?
[08:14] <tati> hobgoblin: not sure if the machine will boot from usb
[08:14] <hobgoblin> about the same as the cd I think - never actually done it myself :)
[08:15] <tati> i'll run brasero
[08:15] <kermiac> hobgoblin: yeah, cd burning in hardy has/had a *lot* of issues :(
[08:16] <hobgoblin> t'was not so good
[08:17] <tati> it shows the same thing as before, do u need a screen shot?
[08:17] <hobgoblin> tati: I want the paste of the terminal output :)
[08:18] <tati> this is what shows up after running brasero: Sense key: 0x70 0x00 0x02 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0a 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x3a 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00  Sense key: 0x70 0x00 0x02 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0a 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x3a 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00
[08:18] <hobgoblin> that's all?
[08:19] <tati> when i try to burn, i can't get past the setup because it still says the medium is not writable with the current set of plugins
[08:19] <hobgoblin> sigh
[08:19] <kermiac> hobgoblin: if the cd burning issues are getting a bit much, might try usb startup-disk-creator   -    [16:09:52] <tati> i actually have a usb drive now....but its only 2GB....
[08:20] <hobgoblin> kermiac: need to make sure the machine boots with usb first I think :)
[08:20] <kermiac> hobgoblin: good point :)
[08:20] <hobgoblin> tati: ok - in a terminal run this gksudo k3b
[08:21] <hobgoblin> vague memories kicking in again here ...
[08:21] <hobgoblin> tati: are you running ubuntu? I assume so
[08:22] <tati> i just ran the k3b
[08:22] <tati> yes have ubuntu 8.04
[08:24]  * tati says here's the link: http://paste.ubuntu.com/438202/
[08:25]  * tati says this configuration problem came up: No CD/DVD writer found. K3b did not find an optical writing device in your system. Thus, you will not be able to burn CDs or DVDs. However, you can still use other K3b features like audio track extraction or audio transcoding or ISO9660 image creation. Running K3b as root user It is not recommended to run K3b under the root user account. This introduces unnecessary security r
[08:29] <hobgoblin> I don't know - I'm lost
[08:30] <hobgoblin> tati: are you intending to install 10.04 ? I wonder if we'd be better of looking into usb install
[08:31] <tati> yes i want to install 10.04
[08:31] <kermiac> hobgoblin: yeah, the 8.04 install is on a 2nd hand machine, it was already installed before tati received the PC. this is tati's first experience with Ubuntu & it only happened due to windows dying on their main pc
[08:31] <hobgoblin> aaah
[08:32] <kermiac> tati: please note that it "normally" isn't this difficult to use Ubuntu
[08:32] <hobgoblin> tati: do you know to get into BIOS and see if you can boot with usb?
[08:32] <hobgoblin> and +1 to that ^^
[08:32] <tati> no i don't
[08:32] <geirha> Does the cd drive read ok?
[08:33] <hobgoblin> ok - are you online with a different machine or the one you want to install too
[08:33] <tati> it s just hard to believe that ubuntu isn't that difficult right now =(
[08:33] <tati> the one that i want to install too
[08:33] <hobgoblin> geirha: good point - I was not knowing it was an old 2nd hand job
[08:33] <kermiac> tati: I understand your frustrations... the main problem here is that it seems like this old installation was already messed up before you received the pc
[08:33] <hobgoblin> tati: I have a 10 year old daughter using ubuntu
[08:34] <hobgoblin> tati: ok - are you online with a different machine or the one you want to install too
[08:34] <tati> wow...thats pretty good
[08:34] <kermiac> hobgoblin: +1 to that! my kids (3, 7 & 8) only use Ubuntu at home :)
[08:34] <tati> i'm just missing windows right now.... ;)
[08:34]  * hobgoblin wonders if making sure we only have standard repos - installling ubuntu-desktop and then an upgrade would be the way to go 
[08:35] <hobgoblin> tati: do you have a machine with windows available?
[08:35] <tati> no i wish i did
[08:35] <tati> both my laptops died
[08:35] <hobgoblin> k - write this down then - Esc Del Fsomething :)
[08:36] <tati> well actually one died and the other one won't start windows after the error screen
[08:36] <tati> u serious....
[08:36] <hobgoblin> reboot the machine - then watch carefully - it is liekly one of those will be there saying "To Enter Setup ..."
[08:37] <kermiac> hobgoblin: tati: might be an idea to try this on the other pc that doesn't boot into windows any more
[08:37] <kermiac> that way at least tati can still access help here
[08:37] <hobgoblin> do whichever it is then go through each option - you will be looking for Boot order - see if there's an option to boot with usb
[08:37] <geirha> tati: And the ubuntu box is a stationary machine?
[08:38] <geirha> tati: Or that laptop with non-working windows?
[08:38] <tati> ubuntu is on my desktop
[08:38] <hobgoblin> geirha: kermiac: to be honest I am more inclined to try an upgrade I think
[08:38] <hobgoblin> morning lukjad007
[08:38] <kermiac> hobgoblin: yup, that's always an option :)
[08:39] <kermiac> hobgoblin: I just don't want tati to lose the only support they currently have available to them
[08:40] <hobgoblin> well at the worst - there will be issues with the upgrade - but there will be a burner that works - assuming that the hardware is good
[08:40] <geirha> The problems with the cd-drive could be hardware related. Perhaps a loose or faulty ide-cable.
[08:40] <hobgoblin> +1
[08:40]  * kermiac nods
[08:41] <hobgoblin> mmmm
[08:42] <geirha> And if the laptop has a cd-burner, you could put the iso on a usb, boot the laptop with the usb, then burn it from there ^^
[08:42] <tati> will tell u if the laptop works
[08:42] <hobgoblin> did hardy have right click burn in nautilus ?
[08:43] <geirha> hobgoblin: Yes, and I think it used growisofs instead of brasero
[08:44] <kermiac> hobgoblin: yup, tati tried that earlier & it also came up with the wodim issue :(
[08:44] <hobgoblin> :(
[08:45] <hobgoblin> ok - so asa I see it at the moment - prove the hardware or upgrade or usb if possible
[08:46] <tati> hmmm...laptop doesn't seem to be working...i selected start windows normally but nothing happened...it stayed on the error screen
[08:49] <geirha> Tried booting the rescue CD/partition?
[08:50] <hobgoblin> long time since I used windows - will it burn in safe mode
[08:50] <geirha> By my experience, if normal mode doesn't boot, neither will safe mode ^^
[08:51] <hobgoblin> like I said .... long time :) last one I had was win2k :D
[08:51] <tati> hmmmm...let me see
[08:52] <hobgoblin> well I think if it was me then  I would make sureI only had standard repos - ubuntu-dekstop reinstalled and go for upgrade
[08:58] <tati> so....
[09:01]  * tati asks is this a lost cause? =(
[09:01] <hobgoblin> well we are not sure ;) it is hard to prove the hardware from here :)
[09:02] <hobgoblin> tati: if you want to try an upgrade - are you connected by ethernet and not wireless?
[09:03] <tati> yes
[09:05] <hobgoblin> ok - first do this please and paste the outputs
[09:05] <hobgoblin> ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d && cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:05] <hobgoblin> paste that command into a terminal
[09:05] <tati> ok
[09:07]  * tati heres the link http://paste.ubuntu.com/438219/
[09:13] <hobgoblin> thanks - no output from the first part then I assume
[09:13] <hobgoblin> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:14] <tati> what do u mean no output from the first part?
[09:15] <hobgoblin> the ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[09:15] <tati> oh
[09:16] <hobgoblin> run the update and upgrade command - when that's finished tell me
[09:17] <tati> its done
[09:20] <hobgoblin> now Alt+F2 and put this in the box    update-manager --devel-release
[09:21] <hobgoblin> then Check - it will check some stuff - keep going till it says Upgrade then click that and it will do it for you
[09:21] <hobgoblin> last time to check this - are you connected with ethernet and not wireless
[09:23] <tati> dodo i need to check the box that says run in terminal? also, i although i have a wireless router...this desktop is connected to the router with a ethernet cable....
[09:24] <hobgoblin> tati: not sure - long time since I did an upgrade - it'd not hurt I assume :)
[09:24] <hobgoblin> don't assume that it has hung and turn it off if it appears to have stopped
[09:25] <hobgoblin> it will likely take a while to do as well. Good luck
[09:25] <tati> ur leaving now? =(
[09:27] <hobgoblin> once it starts to do it then all you can do is wait :)
[09:28] <hobgoblin> tati: if I'm not here and no-one else is about look for me in ##ufbt
[09:28] <tati> ok
[09:29] <hobgoblin> but it is a lovely day - I might be afk ... or asleep as I was awake at stupid o'clock ;)
[09:31] <tati> thanks for all your help...no i'm just nervous...what if something goes wrong....this is my only working computer  =(
[09:31] <tati> what is afk?
[09:33] <hobgoblin> away from keyboard
[09:34] <hobgoblin> and I understand you're nervous - but without burning the iso you are a bit stuck :) and linux is not a recovery tool for fubar windows ;)
[09:36] <tati> ok
[09:38] <tati> i know.....
[09:40] <hobgoblin> :) is it upgrading now?
[09:41] <Angus> any one have time to help me with a random problem
[09:42] <zeroseven0183> Angus: You can post your question/problem here in the channel.
[09:43] <Angus> my conncetion to the internet is through a router
[09:43] <Angus> so it has the external ip
[09:43] <zeroseven0183> You can also check with the guys at #ubuntu
[09:43] <zeroseven0183> OK
[09:44] <Angus> is there any way someone could connect to my computer from outside (assuming the firewalls and router let the ports open)
[09:44] <zeroseven0183> Through remote connection, yes
[09:45] <Angus> but what ip would they use
[09:45] <zeroseven0183> you may be asking if "there's any way someone could connect to your computer without you knowing"?
[09:45] <Angus> not really
[09:46] <Angus> i meant if i wanted to connect to my computer from an external network
[09:46] <Angus> what ip would i use
[09:46] <zeroseven0183> The IP of your router
[09:46] <zeroseven0183> The original IP address
[09:46] <Angus> but then how would it know to go to my computer
[09:47] <Angus> since there are 2 computers on my network
[09:48] <zeroseven0183> That person would have to indicate the computer name to be accessed
[09:48] <Angus> so they would use the ip of my router
[09:48] <zeroseven0183> Open the Remote Desktop in System > Preferences
[09:48] <Angus> and the computer name as well
[09:49] <zeroseven0183> Yes
[09:50] <zeroseven0183> Are you planning to remotely access your computer from outside you home network?
[09:51] <Angus> no
[09:51] <Angus> sorry that was just an example
[09:51] <zeroseven0183> I found a very good article which can help you in details
[09:51] <zeroseven0183> http://www.pcmech.com/article/remote-connection-guide/
[09:52] <Angus> it was a problem i found when using TCP sockets in a simple program
[09:52] <Angus> i just didn't really understand
[11:38] <tdn> I am trying to compile a program, but the configure tells me: configure: error: either RANDR, VidMode or WinGDI must be enabled        How do I enable RANDR or VidMode?
[11:39] <tdn> If I type xrandr at the console, I get a list of resolutions, so xrandr should be enabled, right?
[12:10] <geirha> But it doesn't mean you have the headers installed.
[12:11] <geirha> libxrandr-dev contains the headers for xrandr
[12:14] <geirha> Whenever it complains about not finding some libfoo, try   aptitude search 'foo.*-dev'  and install the one(s) that looks most promising
[12:23]  * hobgoblin wonders if it has gone horribly wrong for tati 
[14:01] <hobgoblin> afternoon pleia2 - I hope you saw my entry on your blog
[14:32] <Raidsong> hello need assistance
[14:33] <Raidsong> im getting this little nugget of joy when i try to install
[14:33] <Raidsong> Disk error 9F AX = 4240 , Disk 9F
[14:36] <Raidsong> anybody have any solutions?
[14:39] <phillw> Raidsong: have you run the "Check CD for defects" on the installation cd?
[14:40] <Raidsong> you cant it doesnt get that far
[14:43] <phillw> Raidsong: I'd say the cd didn't burn correctly, did you burn at something like 4X speed and have you checked the md5chekcsum of the iso you dowloaded?
[14:43] <Raidsong> it happened on 2 i burnt and one i have from canonical
[14:44] <phillw> hmm, have you tried a cd-drive lens cleaning cd on the cd-drive?
[14:44] <Raidsong> the computer is roughly 12 hours old
[14:45] <severity1> brasero?
[14:45] <phillw> Raidsong: it could still have muck on the cd drive, or the cd-drive could be D.O.A., a lead slightly loose from shipping etc.
[14:46] <phillw> the canonical cd's are true cd-roms and pretty sure to work if you have looked after it.
[14:50] <edlik1> Can anyone help me save the files from my "home"? It is not on a different partition (it will be next time!). My computer did not like the upgrade to 10.04, I have tried all of the suggestions I can find but alas, still no gui. I have command line and I have 8.10 running on a disk.
[14:52] <mohi1> edlik1, what id your machine saying when you copy??
[14:53] <edlik1> I havent copied anything yet. I havent been able to find the advise I need in order to copy these files to cd
[14:54] <phillw> edlik if you're running live cd ... now is a good time to make the /home partition?
[14:54] <mohi1> so, you want to format your machine and before that you want to copy the contents in your "home", right??
[14:55] <edlik1> mohi1 correct, I have a live cd but I dont know how to do what is required
[14:56] <mohi1> edlik, you can copy it to a removable drive(pen drive) or you must have another CD drive
[14:57] <edlik1> I do have some removable drives, only one cd drive
[14:59] <mohi1> ok. you can copy to a removable drive by identifying the actual partition where your older version is present
[15:07] <phillw> he edlik1, we just need to find your / partition, can you pastebin the result of sudo fdisk -l
[15:11] <edlik1> sorry, just formating flash drive. just about there
[15:11] <phillw> edlik1, np - mohi1 has had to dash, so you'll have to put up with me ;-)
[15:12] <fur> oh hi compiledkernel
[15:17] <edlik1> phillw, I have to get off this computer and re enter this session on the failed computer using the live cd to comply with your instructions. I will be back shortly, thanks for helping
[15:18] <phillw> okies, edlik - I'll be here or on #lubuntu
[15:29] <edli1> phillw, I have the results here http://pastebin.com/izn1LGgC
[15:31] <phillw> okies edli1, can i confirm that you have a 4GB flash drive
[15:31] <edli1> phillw, yes
[15:32] <fur> sometimes i like to add ubuntu sources to debian and break it
[15:33] <fur> just to fix it
[15:33] <phillw> edli1 sorry channel tab closed on me, back
[15:35] <edli1> phillw, so do you think we can get my "home" onto my flash drive somehow? do I have enough room?
[15:36] <phillw> next task to see how big your /home is. do you have music / videos etc stored on there?
[15:36] <fur> w
[15:36] <fur> t
[15:36] <fur> g
[15:36] <fur> f*
[15:36] <fur> okay why would u want to do that edli1 ?
[15:36] <mohi1> fur, language please
[15:37] <phillw> edli1 open a terminal session and type in du -h
[15:37] <phillw> let me know the last line (the one that begins with a .)
[15:38] <edli1> 5.6m
[15:39] <meindian523> impossible, is this a fresh install or something
[15:39] <meindian523> ?
[15:39] <phillw> plenty of room :-D
[15:40] <fur> lol
[15:40] <fur> that's like
[15:40] <fur> just settings and shit
[15:40] <phillw> edli1  do cd ..
[15:40] <edli1> phillw, is this reading the info from my live cd
[15:40] <fur> my cache itself is 1GB
[15:40] <phillw> lol
[15:41] <phillw> edli1  yeah, mounting the drive may be agood idea
[15:42] <phillw> edli1  sudo mkdir /media/sda1
[15:43] <phillw> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/sda1
[15:44] <mohi1> phillw, i think its the default contents inside
[15:45] <edli1> ok
[15:46] <mohi1> edli1, now pastebin the result of du -h
[15:48] <edli1> http://pastebin.com/LD7fTkQk
[15:49] <fur> w t f r u doing?
[15:49] <fur> y don't u just make a clean install with /home on the external
[15:49] <fur> u don't have shit anyways
[15:49] <mohi1> phillw, i think its showing the size of the home folder of the CD
[15:49] <fur> yeah it is mohi1
[15:49] <fur> unless
[15:49] <fur> u have ubuntu as ur user name
[15:49] <fur> and no
[15:49] <mohi1> fur, LANGUAGE. dont make me warn you again please
[15:49] <fur> because its /ubunt
[15:49] <fur> not /home/~
[15:50] <phillw> edli1 have you isuued the two commands I gave you above ?
[15:50] <edli1> yep, let me do it again
[15:50] <fur> mohi1, sup mr "i don't have ops and like to act tough"
[15:50] <phillw> no, edli1
[15:50] <fur> lol.
[15:50] <phillw> we need to move there..
[15:51] <phillw> cd /media/sda1/home
[15:51] <fur> edli1,
[15:51] <fur> nvm too lazy
[15:51] <phillw> now issue the df -h and paste-bin that
[15:51] <fur> ill get the next one
[15:52] <edli1> df -h or do-h?
[15:52] <fur> it probably is more than 500 lines phillw if like he's opened firefox and cache and shit
[15:52] <meindian523> edli1, df -h
[15:52] <fur> oh i thought u said du
[15:53] <phillw> let me check we have it mounted :-)
[15:53] <edli1> http://pastebin.com/eKCcipFU
[15:54] <fur> hey edli1
[15:54] <fur> did u try google?
[15:54] <fur> eh its okay i was the same. when i was like
[15:54] <fur> 10
[15:55] <meindian523> edli1, that looks more like it, 58G used
[15:55] <fur> I'M TALKING. LISTEN TO ME TALK. JUST TRY TO GET ME TO STOP TALKING. I DON'T CARE THAT CLASS ENDS IN 30 SECONDS. I'M GOING TO ASK A COMPLICATED QUESTION AND NOD ATTENTIVELY WHILE THE PROFESSOR ANSWERS. THE FACT THAT EVERYONE IN THE ROOM WANTS TO PUNCH ME IN THE NECK DOES NOT MATTER. ALL THAT MATTERS IS THAT I AM TALKING RIGHT NOW AND YOU ARE NOT.
[15:55] <phillw> hmm edli1 this is not looking good. Do you have music / videa stored on your /home area?
[15:55] <edli1> fur, sometimes one on one interaction is the best route. I have spent lots of time wasted on searching
[15:56] <meindian523> edli1, what is the problem, BTW?
[15:56] <bodhizazen> 'lo fur , please tone the language down a bit
[15:56] <fur> oh hello there bodhizazen (:
[15:57] <phillw> meindian523: his 8.04 -> 10.04 upgrade has gone south
[15:57] <edli1> phillw, I have some important files, no music, some pics and other stuff
[15:57] <meindian523> upgraded via??
[15:57] <fur> i've never upgraded before
[15:57] <edli1> actually my upgrade from 9.10 to 10.04
[15:57] <fur> edli1, what is wrong?
[15:57] <fur> what are you trying to do
[15:57] <fur> please inform me
[15:58] <edli1> no gui, I have tried all of the suggestions on "google"
[15:58] <phillw> edli1 cd /media/sda1/home
[15:58] <phillw> then let me know the last entry when you issue du -h
[15:58] <meindian523> fur, please read the scrollback after removing your own comments, I believe you'll find a coherent thread
[15:59] <edli1> 44g
[15:59] <mohi1> phillw, it might be complicated (:
[16:00] <Raidsong> does anybody have a toshiba satellite L505D model computer?
[16:00] <meindian523> edli1, what's the total capacity of your flash drives combined?
[16:00] <mohi1> Raidsong, you broke it again??
[16:00] <Raidsong> mohi1, brand new one
[16:00] <mohi1> :o
[16:00] <Raidsong> wont install linus
[16:00] <Raidsong> linux*
[16:00] <mohi1> Raidsong, what about your old machine?
[16:01] <Raidsong> i tried 5 different cds and 2 flash drives
[16:01] <meindian523> Raidsong, you tried to build LFS/Gentoo/Arch, something?
[16:01] <phillw> Raidsong: is it you with the error when you put the cd in to try and boot?
[16:01] <Raidsong> mohi1, that is long gone
[16:01] <mohi1> Raidsong, after you broke it, it was gone forever??
[16:01] <edli1> I do have a terrabite that I have unplugged, I didnt want to risk doing something stupid
[16:01] <Raidsong> phillw, for usb its stuck at kernel_thread_helper
[16:02] <Raidsong> cd is disk error BB AX=4240
[16:02] <furry> i am sorry
[16:02] <furry> i had to do a REISUB
[16:03] <phillw> edli1, we're going to need a bit of that 1TB drive, you have 44GB in your /home directory, which is not going to fir onto 4GB flash drive
[16:03] <furry> edli1,
[16:03] <furry> what are you trying to do?
[16:03] <Raidsong> according to the internet the computer i bought yesterday has a bad bios bad ram and a bad HDD
[16:03] <furry> please tell me
[16:03] <meindian523> Raidsong, What are you trying to install onto that box?
[16:03] <meindian523> Lol
[16:03] <Raidsong> ubuntu
[16:04] <mohi1> Lol
[16:04] <meindian523> Raidsong, I meant what version too, how did you generate the USB installs, the CDs
[16:04] <meindian523> etc
[16:04] <meindian523> more details
[16:04] <phillw> Raidsong: the error i looked up ealrier was for a bios that needed flashing with new firmware
[16:04] <Raidsong> usb generated from this computer
[16:04] <edli1> phillw, plugged in and ready for your instructions
[16:04] <furry> bodhizazen, how do u feel about underclocks
[16:04] <furry> undervolt whatever
[16:04] <furry> idk the exact term
[16:05] <phillw> edli1 does the 1tb drive have a linux area on it already?
[16:05] <Raidsong> phillw, the error i cited earlier was different
[16:05] <bodhizazen> Have not tried it, seems reasonable
[16:05] <edli1> phillw, no
[16:05] <Raidsong> i have never had this many problems with any computer
[16:05] <furry> phillw, what is his problem?
[16:05] <phillw> edli1, drat
[16:06] <meindian523> Raidsong, using UnetBootin, or the System>>Administration thingy?
[16:06] <Raidsong> yes
[16:06] <furry> bodhizazen, the reason being is that my laptop get like hot as hell for some reason when i'm not even doing intense work. it  never has overheated but is uncomfortable. would that be able to fix it?
[16:06] <phillw> edli1, let me have a think a moment and a ciggie
[16:06] <meindian523> phillw, why, if (s)he is transferring data, it doesn't matter
[16:07] <meindian523> furry, I would advise cleaning it out before trying to underclock
[16:07] <furry> i mean it's not that dirty
[16:07] <meindian523> inside?
[16:07] <phillw> meindian523: the data in /home is needed by edli1, if we cannot save the 9.10 -> 10.04 upgrade and need a re-install the /home is needed
[16:08] <furry> meindian523, idfk, probably not.
[16:08] <furry> the whole home dir?
[16:08] <Raidsong> i think ill try a battery of installs using the x64 version
[16:09] <meindian523> phillw, yes, but if he is just backing up data, it can work with FAT32, NTFS, whatever, doesn't need to be a fs like ext3/4 or whatever
[16:09] <phillw> edli1, i'll brb - dog wants out
[16:09] <furry> yeah
[16:09] <furry> it probably would be worse
[16:09] <furry> because then you have to fuck with permissions and shit
[16:09] <furry> just do a vfa
[16:09] <furry> vfat
[16:09] <phillw> i know, but rsync -aS is real easy if you have a linux partitin:-D
[16:09] <meindian523> furry, so check the insides, if dirty, clean, if clean, think of underclocking or whatever
[16:10] <meindian523> phillw, ah, point
[16:10] <furry> idk why you just don't go and pick the folders you want out
[16:10] <furry> tar it
[16:10] <furry> and then back it up
[16:11] <furry> i mean like.. i just see problems coming from backing up like
[16:11] <furry> .gconf and shit
[16:11] <furry> especially when you're going to do an upgrade
[16:11] <meindian523> BTW bodhizazen I think the permissions being preserved inside a tar archive is 1 step closer to "don't think before run" mentality in Windows
[16:11] <Raidsong> well i think i found the problem
[16:12] <meindian523> what was it Raidsong ?
[16:12] <meindian523> what say bodhizazen
[16:12] <meindian523> ?
[16:12] <Raidsong> note to self dont install an i386 version on an amd processor
[16:12] <meindian523> Raidsong, that shouldn't matter...
[16:12] <furry> yeah
[16:12] <furry> that would do nothing
[16:13] <furry> and you probably shouldnt do it unless you have like 2+ GB of ram
[16:13] <Raidsong> you sure? because it seems to be the only variable and the i386 as far as i know related to intel
[16:14] <furry> for some reason the dumbass i bought this computer from put 4.5GB of ram in this laptop with an i386 only processor.
[16:14] <furry> i mean like that just pissed me off.
[16:14] <meindian523> Raidsong, it's just the arch, AFAIK, processors are all clones of the PC arch
[16:14] <meindian523> by which I mean the IBM PC arch
[16:15] <furry> lol @ searching 'ubuntu underclock' and only returning forums
[16:15] <furry> bodhizazen, you got time?
[16:16] <meindian523> Raidsong, Intel brought out the 8086, 80286, 386, 486, etc, the entire family and clones is called the x86/ i386/586/686 arch
[16:17] <Raidsong> and how does this relate to amd processors?
[16:17] <meindian523> Raidsong, it relates that AMD is also x86 arch clone
[16:18] <furry> this is the shit i got bodhizazen
[16:18] <furry> http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SL8VN
[16:18] <meindian523> the different archs are like x86, PPC, ARM, etc
[16:19] <furry> is anyone still selling PPC computers?
[16:19] <meindian523> so x86 is manufactured by both Intel & AMD, that's the two I know, there might be more
[16:20] <meindian523> Raidsong, effectively all the AMD procs are based off the old Intel 286, 386 etc arch, but development is independent in terms of pipelining, interfacing with mem, etc
[16:21] <Raidsong> at any rate perhaps the x64 version will work on my computer
[16:21] <meindian523> Raidsong, only if your processor IS 64-bit compatible, which, if you bought it yesterday (new), is pretty much a given
[16:26] <meindian523>            //\\
[16:27] <meindian523>                    O
[16:27] <meindian523> oops
[16:27] <meindian523> nvm
[16:27] <meindian523>   0/
[16:27] <meindian523>  /|
[16:27] <meindian523>  /\
[16:28] <meindian523>   0__0
[16:29] <meindian523>   /|  \
[16:29] <meindian523>   \\  /\
[16:30] <meindian523>     0
[16:30] <meindian523>   /  \
[16:30] <meindian523>     0
[16:30] <meindian523>   /  \
[16:31] <meindian523>  |  \o_/____
[16:31] <meindian523> well whatever
[16:31]  * meindian523 goes off to dinner
[16:31] <meindian523> bye people
[16:32] <tyranos> bye ascii artist
[16:32] <meindian523> tyranos, nah, newbie
[16:32] <meindian523> that last one didn't even turn out how I wanted it
[16:32] <tyranos> looks like someone draggin a corpse
[16:34] <meindian523> well, close but as I said, not perfect
[16:34] <meindian523> it was supposed to be a person lying on the ground, after being hit by the guy standing
[16:57] <tyranos> what is the purpose of ubuntu-beginners ?
[16:58] <hobgoblin> it's the help channel for the Beginners Team
[16:58] <mohi1> tyranos, you looked at the topic i think =]
[16:58] <mohi1> hiyas hobgoblin
[16:58] <tyranos> yes but that could be anything
[16:58] <tyranos> what is the ubuntu beginners team
[16:59] <pedro3005> We (try to) help beginners
[16:59] <hobgoblin> tyranos: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam
[16:59] <mohi1> tyranos, its for a members chat
[17:01] <tyranos> oh thank you, i ll read that and come back :)
[17:06] <asterismo> hi my fellow ubunteers
[17:13] <bodhizazen> Anyone here any good with icon themes ?
[17:13] <bodhizazen> Ie making your own ?
[17:26] <furball> bodhizazen, i just undervolted all by my self ;DDDDD!
[17:26] <furball> i actually undervolted too much at first and like fucked it :p
[17:27] <mohi1> Guest3226, when are ya going to identify yourself?
[17:27] <mohi1> or you set it as your nick!!
[17:33] <furball> mohi1,
[17:33] <furball> stfu.
[17:33] <furball> srsly.
[17:34] <mohi1> Boss i am tired of it
[17:35] <bodhizazen> furball, for the last time, please tone it down
[17:35] <furball> woah dude sorry.
[17:35]  * furball ♥ bodhizazen 
[17:35] <bodhizazen> "stfu" and "fucked" are inappropriate for this channel
[17:36] <furball> you used to be cool.
[17:36] <bodhizazen> continued violations will result in a kb
[17:36] <bodhizazen> This is an official ubuntu channel now, so the CoC applies
[17:36] <bodhizazen> Such was the decision of the BT
[17:36] <furball> oh yeah, forgot.
[17:39] <tyranos> is bzr the right tool to download from bazaar.launchpad.net/~user?
[17:56] <compiledkernel> happy mohi1?
[17:56] <mohi1> collinp, =]
[17:57] <collinp> :o
[17:57] <mohi1> err wrong ping. sorry
[17:57] <furball> compiledkernel, do u still do them links
[17:57] <mohi1> compiledkernel, so. sup?
[17:57] <compiledkernel> not really furball. Im livin mohi1
[17:57] <mohi1> ah
[17:57] <collinp> compiledkernel: 42.
[18:44] <mohi57o9> night all
[19:54] <edlik> my 9.10 system seems to recognize that I have a cd/dvd player, but will not recognize blank cd media. It does however recognize if I put in a disc with something on it. Any suggestions?
[19:57] <tyranos> try different blanks from different manufacturers
[19:58] <tyranos> and k3b worked better than brasero and gnome-baker
[20:00] <ddecator> tyranos: to answer your earlier question, yes bzr is the right tool to pull a branch from lp
[20:02] <tyranos> thx guys i had to add a ppa with a fresh version for it to work
[23:18] <nishanth> can some one help me with a plugin issue on firefox or chrome?
[23:20] <nishanth> someone in here?
[23:23] <nishanth> so very dead
[23:29] <nishanth> hello someone in here who can help?
[23:33] <That_Wiki_Guy> nishanth: Whats up
[23:34] <nishanth> well i am having trbl playing an online live streaming video which uses microsoft media server plugin
[23:34] <That_Wiki_Guy> nishanth: ?
[23:36] <nishanth> That_Wiki_Guy well i am having trbl playing an online live streaming video which uses microsoft media server plugin
[23:38] <nishanth> That_Wiki_Guy do you have any ideas, of how to solve this
[23:38] <That_Wiki_Guy> nishanth: Ok...what distro are u using
[23:38] <That_Wiki_Guy> And welcome goran
[23:39] <That_Wiki_Guy> nishanth: Are you using ubuntu kubuntu xubuntu what
[23:39] <nishanth> That_Wiki_Guy ubuntu lucid
[23:39] <That_Wiki_Guy> nishanth: Ok...
[23:39] <That_Wiki_Guy> nishanth: And what type of video is this...
[23:39] <goran> That_Wiki_Guy,  thx
[23:40] <phillw> silverlight, only available on Win machines to my knowledge
[23:40] <That_Wiki_Guy> You said it's via the Internet so I assume you're using Firefox or Google Chrome?
[23:40] <nishanth> That_Wiki_Guy it is an online live streaming video, if you want i can give you the link
[23:40] <That_Wiki_Guy> phillw: It is..
[23:40] <That_Wiki_Guy> phillw: If that's what he's trying to view he's not going to be able to
[23:41] <phillw> i have had this issue with Sky sports on ubuntu
[23:41] <That_Wiki_Guy> nishanth: Is the video using the Silverlight plugin?
[23:41] <That_Wiki_Guy> phillw: Hmm
[23:41] <That_Wiki_Guy> phillw: No surprise right? That's why windows is windows
[23:41]  * phillw makes a note to bitch to Sky about it
[23:41] <That_Wiki_Guy> HI! tinytim
[23:42] <nishanth> That_Wiki_Guy i think it is microsoft media server plugin... but i am not sure ...is there a way to check?
[23:43] <That_Wiki_Guy> nishanth: Usually it will tell you that "plugin name" is needed
[23:43] <That_Wiki_Guy> Least that's been my experience
[23:43] <That_Wiki_Guy> goran: And how are you?
[23:43] <tinytim> Oh its down here, couldn't see were one  enters there word........
[23:43] <goran> That_Wiki_Guy, pretty god
[23:44] <goran> good :)
[23:44] <That_Wiki_Guy> tinytim: Lol
[23:44] <nishanth> That_Wiki_Guy is there a way to confirm if it is the microsoft media server plugin, if you want i can give you the link for the video
[23:44] <That_Wiki_Guy> goran: Excellent
[23:44] <tinytim> Just exploring, shall book mark tis page.......
[23:44] <That_Wiki_Guy> nishanth: Ok
[23:44] <That_Wiki_Guy> tinytim: Using the webchat.freenode website?
[23:45] <tinytim> I have no idea.
[23:45] <nishanth> That_Wiki_Guy http://olangal.com/component/content/article/48-live-tv/1425-asianet-live.html
[23:45] <tinytim> Found this from a link via Ubuntu fourms
[23:45] <That_Wiki_Guy> tinytim: How are you connected to the channel? A program or the Internet(website)
[23:46] <tinytim> no spell check here
[23:47] <That_Wiki_Guy> nishanth: Ok I don't know exactly what the plugin is but you should be able to install "it" via firefox
[23:47] <tinytim> I am connect from a ranch 30 mile north west of Lillooet Bc via xeplore net Satetile service, over the internet.
[23:47] <That_Wiki_Guy> tinytim: Never mind
[23:47] <That_Wiki_Guy> nishanth: Im on my iPod touch and it wanted firefox from me so...
[23:48] <nishanth> That_Wiki_Guy how? and besides on firefox it does not say missing plugin but instead it gives me a blank screen
[23:48] <tinytim> I may have a question later....... I need to check back at the forum
[23:49] <That_Wiki_Guy> nishanth: Hmm...gimme just a sec
[23:49] <phillw> That_Wiki_Guy: I've sent the email, as I pay a lot of money for Sky Sports, it's time they told me why i cannot watch it on my non MS computer ;-)
[23:49] <That_Wiki_Guy> phillw: :P
[23:50] <That_Wiki_Guy> Hi furball!!!
[23:50] <furball> sup.
[23:52] <That_Wiki_Guy> nishanth: Hmm
[23:52] <That_Wiki_Guy> nishanth: I tried searching for the extension but couldn't find it
[23:52] <nishanth> That_Wiki_Guy any clues?
[23:53] <That_Wiki_Guy> nishanth: Right now at this moment I don't sadly
[23:53] <That_Wiki_Guy> nishanth: Dont give up though
[23:54] <nishanth> That_Wiki_Guy i been trying since last 2 weeks and no one has been able to help
[23:54] <That_Wiki_Guy> furball: And how are you today?
[23:54] <furball> p good.
[23:54] <furball> i hate wikis
[23:54] <That_Wiki_Guy> nishanth: Ok have you googled it? Have you posted on the forums? Have you looked at https://help.ubuntu.com
[23:55] <That_Wiki_Guy> furball: Why do you hate Wiki?
[23:55] <furball> what are you looking for nishanth
[23:55] <furball> hate the syntax
[23:55] <furball> stupid as hell imo
[23:55] <nishanth> furball  i am having trbl playing an online live streaming video which uses microsoft media server plugin
[23:56] <furball> lol
[23:56] <furball> moonlight
[23:56] <furball> duh
[23:56] <nishanth> furball do you have any ideas?
[23:56] <furball> moonlight
[23:56] <furball> moonlight
[23:56] <furball> moonlight
[23:56] <furball> oh
[23:56] <furball> shit
[23:56] <furball> microsoft media server plugin
[23:56] <furball> wtf is that?
[23:56] <That_Wiki_Guy> furball: Language please...whatch it
[23:56] <furball> fk off.
[23:56] <nishanth> furball some plugin to play an online video
[23:57] <nishanth> furball do you want to check the link?
[23:57] <That_Wiki_Guy> furball: Nice to see you too roflcopters
[23:57] <furball> yes.
[23:57] <furball> nishanth, yes.
[23:58] <nishanth> furball http://olangal.com/component/content/article/48-live-tv/1425-asianet-live.html
[23:59] <nishanth> furball does it work for you?