[03:56] <kfogel> Anyone online, and if so, want to help me test some wiki access changes (only takes a minute or two)?
[04:09] <kfogel> collinp: got a couple of minutes to help me test some dev.launchpad.net wiki access authn changes?  (I can't test them myself, because I'm in the "blessed" group for wiki access.)
[04:20] <kfogel> johnbrondum: got a couple of minutes to help me test some dev.launchpad.net wiki access authn changes?  (I can't test them myself, because I'm in the "blessed" group for wiki access.)
[04:20] <johnbrondum> sure
[04:21] <kfogel> johnbrondum: thanks.  so, one sec while I find a couple of good pages to test
[04:22] <kfogel> johnbrondum: first, if you go to https://dev.launchpad.net/ as an anonymous user, do you see any Edit button?
[04:22] <kfogel> johnbrondum: (answer should be no.  look in upper right I think)
[04:22] <johnbrondum> nope
[04:24] <kfogel> johnbrondum: next, if you log in, do you see an Edit button?
[04:26] <johnbrondum> no I don't
[04:27] <kfogel> johnbrondum: (I was sort of assuming you have a Launchpad account -- glad to see I was right :-) )
[04:27] <johnbrondum> heh heh :)
[04:27] <kfogel> johnbrondum: beautiful -- so far so good.  Now, how about on https://dev.launchpad.net/Running ?
[04:27] <kfogel> (all subsequent questions are about while you're logged in)
[04:28] <johnbrondum> no I don't
[04:28] <johnbrondum> is there a way to send you a screenshoot?
[04:28] <johnbrondum> just to double check that I'm looking in the right place?
[04:29] <kfogel> johnbrondum: hmmm... do you see "#  Home
[04:29] <kfogel> # Page Info
[04:29] <kfogel> # Changes
[04:29] <kfogel> # Attachments"
[04:29] <kfogel> in the upper right?
[04:29] <kfogel> johnbrondum: without the # marks, that is
[04:30] <kfogel> johnbrondum: Because if there were an Edit button, it would be right around there too.
[04:30] <johnbrondum> ok - on the right track then.
[04:30] <johnbrondum> yes i do see those
[04:31] <kfogel> johnbrondum: great!  let's see, one moer check just to make usre
[04:31] <johnbrondum> plus a toggle drop down menu button labelled "More Actions"
[04:31] <kfogel> johnbrondum: (right -- that toggle is expected.  and Edit is not in there, right?)
[04:31] <kfogel> johnbrondum: https://dev.launchpad.net/Code/HowToUseCodehostingLocally
[04:31] <kfogel> johnbrondum:  I want to make sure the Edit button does not appear at any nesting level
[04:31] <johnbrondum> no it isn't
[04:32] <johnbrondum> last link is all good as well
[04:33] <kfogel> johnbrondum: thank you.  So this is sad, because it would be better to have any launchpad user be able to edit, but we were having spam problems.  So we've locked it down, and people who want to edit have to join the ~launchpad-doc team on Launchpad (not too high a burden, but still, it's a pity).
[04:33] <johnbrondum> understand - the internet can be a pretty wild place
[04:34] <johnbrondum> btw would I be able to ask you a quick question re launchpad itself?
[04:34] <kfogel> johnbrondum: sure, if I can answer.  Try me.
[04:35] <johnbrondum> I'm Ph.D. student with the Computer Science and Engineering school at University of New South Wales (Sydney, Australia). My research interest is in the cross project (software) relationships, and as such the launchpad bugs database is an interesting source of data for me.
[04:35] <johnbrondum> But I'd like to find a way to do two things:
[04:35] <johnbrondum> 1. Extract only the bugs that affect two or more projects. I haven't be able to identify a way to find these other than 'brute' force (look at every bug).
[04:35] <johnbrondum> 2. Once I have found those bugs, download the bug information in either HTML or other format for offline analysis.
[04:36] <johnbrondum> if you can't or don't know then no worries :) I've posted a question on the Launchpad answers site
[04:36] <kfogel> johnbrondum: so, you know about the APIs, right?
[04:36] <johnbrondum> yes
[04:37] <kfogel> johnbrondum: have you tried just using those?  I mean, when it's a program doing the work for you, "brute force" doesn't really matter that much.  Any query on this is going to be brute force, when you get down to it.
[04:38] <johnbrondum> ok
[04:38] <kfogel> johnbrondum: note you might need to let the launchpad sysadmins know you're extracting every bug, so they don't try to ratelimit you.  But asking them is pretty easy.
[04:38] <johnbrondum> was slightly concerned that I'd get blocked for 'bad behaviour' by your server :)
[04:39] <johnbrondum> ok - will do :)
[04:39] <johnbrondum> fair enough
[04:39] <kfogel> johnbrondum: let's try to warn them in advance.  Send mail to karl.fogel {AT} canonical.com about this, and I'll follow up internally to find out how to avoid ratelimiting.
[04:40] <johnbrondum> excellent - thank you very much :)
[04:40] <kfogel> johnbrondum: thank you for your help too
[04:40] <johnbrondum> very nice to have met you
[04:40] <johnbrondum> and you're welcome. not a problem. :)
[04:43] <kfogel> :-)
[08:44] <hiram> bazaar.launchpad.net down?
[08:48] <mwhudson> hiram: no?
[08:49] <hiram> mwhudson: im only getting Please try again
[08:49] <hiram> Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server.
[08:49] <hiram> it worked a couple of minutes ago (although very slow)
[08:50] <mwhudson> hiram: oh right, that does seem to be down
[08:50]  * mwhudson tries to find a sysadmin to poke
[09:14] <GTOnizuka> hi there
[09:14] <GTOnizuka> is there anyone? i need some little help
[09:14] <GTOnizuka> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~craig.craigsworks/qtip/1.0/files this link is not working
[09:19] <poolie> hi GTOnizuka
[09:19] <poolie> what specifically?
[09:20] <GTOnizuka> hi poolie, i'm referring to this link http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~craig.craigsworks/qtip/1.0/files
[09:20] <poolie> GTOnizuka, i'm getting 'please try again' is that what you see?
[09:20] <GTOnizuka> yes
[09:20] <GTOnizuka> i've tryed to reload so many times until now
[09:20] <GTOnizuka> but nothing happens
[09:37] <gaqzi> I've a feeling that it's well known but, who am I to not do what I'm told? ;) I'm trying to browse a repos source, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mini/ppvalkompass/trunk/files, and I'm getting a Please try again message. Been getting for a while now. Said I'm supposed to write that I'm getting it here :)
[09:40] <GTOnizuka> you're not alone :)
[09:40] <mwhudson> it's being worked on
[09:50] <GTOnizuka> ok thanks for all guys, i have to go now, have a nice day
[11:32] <Kangarooo> launchpad search not working https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+search?text=pulseaudio (Error ID: OOPS-1605A1195) whats the other adres for launchpad?
[11:39] <sjamaan> When will Dulwich be updated on lp?
[11:41] <sjamaan> It was supposed to be updated on edge, but apparently that has no effect on the cluster boxes where mirrors run
[11:43] <deryck> Kangarooo, looking at that oops now.
[11:43] <Kangarooo> oh deryck now search is working. also found that other lp named edge
[11:44] <Kangarooo> heh again not working (Error ID: OOPS-1605F940) :)
[11:44] <thumper> sjamaan: the edge dulwich and bzr-git landing last week was rolled back
[11:44] <thumper> sjamaan: as it had some test failures
[11:44] <thumper> sjamaan: i landed an updated one today
[11:44] <sjamaan> ah, I see
[11:44] <thumper> sjamaan: I'd like to test on staging  before pushing to the import slaves
[11:45] <sjamaan> thumper: Is there any way I can run the mirror process on this updated environment?
[11:45] <thumper> sjamaan: not right now
[11:46] <sjamaan> thumper: How do you test it then?
[11:46] <thumper> sjamaan: it needs to be rolled out to staging
[11:46] <sjamaan> Or just automated testing?
[11:46] <thumper> sjamaan: which happens when the code is in the db-stable branch
[11:46] <thumper> sjamaan: then we can test it
[11:46] <sjamaan> ok
[11:46] <sjamaan> Any ETA on that?
[11:47] <Kangarooo> also thrue egde search not. https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+search?text=pulseaudio Our edge server has a lower timeout threshold than launchpad.net ... (Error ID: OOPS-1605EC481)
[11:47] <Kangarooo> hope it helps something :)
[11:47] <thumper> sjamaan: 32 minutes for the code to be in db-stable
[11:47] <sjamaan> thumper: Are all git mirrors affected by this, or is this some peculiarity unique to the repo I'm trying to update?
[11:47] <thumper> sjamaan: then we wait for a staging rollout
[11:48] <thumper> sjamaan: not all git mirrore are affected
[11:48] <sjamaan> What causes it?
[11:48] <thumper> sjamaan: http imports are git: protocol is mostly fine
[11:48] <sjamaan> Ah, I see
[11:48] <thumper> sjamaan: bugs in bzr-git
[11:48] <thumper> sjamaan: there are also some other bug fixes and improvements rolling out
[11:48] <Kangarooo> should i use disable redirection for 2 hours? will then search work?
[11:48] <sjamaan> Cool
[11:48] <sjamaan> How long does the rollout take?
[11:49] <sjamaan> (I just wanna know when to try the import again)
[11:49] <deryck> Kangarooo, no, I just tried, and it's broken on both edge and production.
[11:49] <deryck> Kangarooo, I'll file a bug about this, if one doesn't already exist.
[11:49] <Annabel> Just did my first commit. There still seems to be a lag on launchpad. I'm wondering how long it takes before it is visible
[11:50] <thumper> sjamaan: when the revno at the bottom of staging.launchpad.net says 9390, it is rolled out on staging
[11:50] <Kangarooo> deryck: i remember about 1/2y ago and about 3 times ive experienced similar like this on both not working and when pressed that disable for 2 hours also didnt help any of thouse times
[11:50] <sjamaan> thumper: So staging != edge?
[11:50] <thumper> sjamaan: no
[11:50] <thumper> sjamaan: staging is a copy of production
[11:51] <thumper> sjamaan: edge uses the production database
[11:51] <thumper> sjamaan: staging gives us a play area
[11:51] <thumper> sjamaan: which branch are you interested in?
[11:51] <sjamaan> I always thought edge made copies every so often
[11:51] <sjamaan> https://code.launchpad.net/~chicken/chicken/git-mirror
[11:52] <deryck> Kangarooo, as a work around, you can search from launchpad top-level search:  https://launchpad.net/+search?field.text=pulseaudio
[11:54] <thumper> sjamaan: no, edge is that latest code (that makes sense) on production data
[11:54] <thumper> staging is the one that has the copy
[11:55]  * sjamaan nods
[11:55] <Kangarooo> deryck: yes that is working but i want to report bug about pulseaudio package in ubuntu. couse then it will only get attention and also bug i got is in ubuntu with this package
[11:56] <Kangarooo> ok now once again search in just LP worked
[11:56] <Kangarooo> searching in ubuntu for package
[11:56] <sjamaan> BTW, how does the bug integration with Trac work?  Will bugs and comments filed in LP be propagated to Trac, and the other way around?  Or is it one-way only?
[11:57] <deryck> Kangarooo, if you just want to file a bug, open a terminal and run:  ubuntu-bug pulseaudio
[11:57] <Kangarooo> aaah thx deryck.
[11:58] <deryck> Kangarooo, np
[12:00] <Kangarooo> ah actualy deryck i wanted to report bug couse ive used this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport#How to enable apport (that makes auto crash reporting on crash) and got crash report on restart (that i made couse lost sound) but this time it told me The problem cannot be reported: The program crashed on an assertion failure, but the message could not be retrieved. Apport does not support reporting these crashes. so i wanted to post that crash file from /var/cras
[12:02] <deryck> Kangarooo, ubuntu-bug -c PATH (where PATH is the path to the crash file)
[12:03] <deryck> Kangarooo, and the timeout is reported as Bug #584913
[12:05] <Kangarooo> deryck: with ubuntu-bug -c /var/crash/filename then im getting the same messege
[12:05] <Kangarooo> for this one crash only.
[12:12] <deryck> Kangarooo, what message are you getting?
[12:12] <Kangarooo> deryck: messege is The problem cannot be reported: The program crashed on an assertion failure, but the message could not be retrieved. Apport does not support reporting these crashes.
[12:13] <deryck> Kangarooo, ok, so just run ubuntu-bug PACKAGE and explain in the bug report that info.
[12:15] <Kangarooo> yes just did that first i wanted to do that thrue LP page couse then i would just add the crash file and not all thouse file with ubuntu-bug makes. i just dont understand how thouse files given with ubuntu-bug helps. if theres a bug report then programmer knows his programm and find bug without any log files or anything
[12:18] <Kangarooo> since im already sick of reporting bugs witch doesnt get fixed i good that i found this auto apport crash reporting and i enabled so no time is wasted on reporting and explaining. so deryck i think i restarted computer too fast before apport could collect full crash and thats why he doesnt want to report that automatically and gives that error
[12:22] <Kangarooo> deryck: should all oops bug also need to be reported? couse i think they are already beeing reported in https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1605EC481
[12:24] <deryck> Kangarooo, no, every OOPS itself does not need to be reported.  But it is nice to have a bug that captures the general problem.
[12:25] <Kangarooo> ah ok then in these 20min while search worked/dindt/worked/didnt i got about 8 oops maybe they also need to be posted in this one bug report?
[12:31] <Kangarooo> why i cant report ubuntu-bug about ubuntu-bug ? i got eror thers no suck package
[12:32] <deryck> Kangarooo, it's called apport.  So `ubuntu-bug apport`.  And no, you don't have to list every OOPS in that bug report.  One is enough.
[12:41] <Kangarooo> deryck: i just used apport-collect bugnr but i got error No additional information collected. and nothing was updated on that bug. why?
[12:42] <deryck> Kangarooo, I'm not sure.  Maybe because the bug already has the info you need?  You're reaching the limits of my apport knowledge. :-)
[13:31] <sjamaan> How does the bug integration with Trac work?  Will bugs and comments filed in LP be propagated to Trac, and the other way around?  Or is it one-way only?
[13:37] <deryck> sjamaan, the Trac bug tracker has to have our plugin installed.  And then we'll sync status and comments with any bug on that tracker that we have linked to the bug on lp.
[13:38] <sjamaan> deryck: How does that linking happen?
[13:38] <sjamaan> Automatically?
[13:40] <deryck> sjamaan, no, you have to click "affects project" or "affects distribution" and then create an entry in the affects table for a project or package that uses that trac as it's bug tracker.
[13:41] <sjamaan> deryck: To clarify, I wasn't talking about the bug tracker *for* LP, but *on* LP, for the project that uses Trac right now
[13:42] <sjamaan> I intend to create a complete mirror of an existing project and was wondering if I mirror the Trac bugtracking whether that would impact the project in any way
[13:44] <sjamaan> Maybe there's an example project I could take a look at?
[13:52] <deryck> sjamaan, you want some kind of auto mirroring of a trac instance to lp?  I'm sorry, I'm not quite following you.
[13:52] <sjamaan> There's a project that's using git and Trac at the moment, and I'd like to mirror it in LP. Mirroring the git shouldn't be a problem, but I was wondering about Trac
[13:53] <sjamaan> Initially, I just want to follow the Trac tickets, but I'm a little worried whether that will mean people can file bugs in LP that won't show up in Trac
[13:53] <sjamaan> The docs don't really say how this "integration" with Trac actually work
[13:54] <sjamaan> (I looked on help.launchpad.net)
[13:57] <deryck> sjamaan, yeah, we don't really do mirroring of bugs.  You can set the trac server as the bug tracker for the version of the project in lp, and we won't allow bugs to be filled in lp.  However, someone could report a problem as affecting your project in lp (on an existing bug) and we would attempt to link a bug on trac with that bug in lp.
[13:59] <sjamaan> OK, so Trac would be leading, and the bugs filed there would show up on LP, but there's no way to file bugs for that project from LP?
[14:02] <deryck> sjamaan, no way to file bugs from lp to the trac project, no.  We may do this at some point.  And the bugs in trac don't automatically show up in lp.  Someone could come along a link a bug in trac to an existing bug in another project on lp.
[14:03] <sjamaan> If they don't automatically show up in LP, how can you link to it then?
[14:06] <deryck> when you click "also affects project" on a bug, you can be prompted for a url of the bug on the upstream tracker if the project doesn't use lp for bug tracking.
[14:07] <sjamaan> aha!
[14:07] <sjamaan> So why does this require a plugin?
[14:08] <deryck> sjamaan, it doesn't.  if the plugin is installed, we will sync status and comments with the external bug.
[14:09] <sjamaan> Oh, so it *is* mirrored when the plugin is installed?
[14:18] <sjamaan> deryck: Does it copy the bugs automatically to LP when you install the Trac plugin?
[14:19] <deryck> sjamaan, no.
[14:20] <sjamaan> I'm not sure what you mean by "if the plugin is installed, we will sync status and comments with the external bug" then
[14:20] <sjamaan> Where do you sync it with?
[14:23] <deryck> sjamaan, the plugin allows us to get at the status and comment info without page scraping.  And allows us to push comments from lp to trac if someone replies to a trac comment on lp.  So we update the status of the bug on lp if the status in trac changes.
[14:24] <sjamaan> If the bug isn't copied to LP, how can you comment on it?
[14:24] <sjamaan> Or only from a linked bug?
[14:25] <deryck> sjamaan, if an lp bug gets linked to a trac bug, then we can copy the comments to lp.  They appear on the bug mostly like an lp comment, with some text indicating the comment was made on the external tracker....
[14:26] <deryck> sjamaan, and there is a "reply to this comment on external tracker" link, which takes the comment via a form on lp and submits it to the upstream trac.
[14:26] <sjamaan> Ah, so I can decide to "mirror" bugs on Trac by making new bugs on LP and linking them, individually?
[14:28] <deryck> sjamaan, in a sense, yes.  It's not a true mirror, as your quotes indicate. :-)  But if you wanted to, you could create a bunch of lp bugs and link them to upstream bugs.
[14:28] <deryck> but there's no real reason to want to do that, I think.
[14:28] <sjamaan> What's the main use case for this system?
[14:32] <deryck> sjamaan, it's meant to mirror what really happens on lp.  LP has far fewer projects on LP itself than are tracked on other trackers.  But software reporting bugs on LP can also affect an upstream project that doesn't us LP.
[14:33] <deryck> sjamaan, so the idea is a way to represent the real bug, i.e. the upstream not tracked in LP bug, as it relates to bugs on LP.
[14:33] <deryck> A bug could be filled against a package in Ubuntu, for example, but not be a bug in the package.  It could be upstream, but the upstream doesn't use LP.
[14:33] <sjamaan> So it's more for embedded projects and branches derived from a mirror of an upstream branch?
[14:34] <sjamaan> The Ubuntu example makes sense
[14:35] <sjamaan> This clears up some misconceptions I had; I was under the impression that it was a way to "import" bugs from Trac for when a project is planning to  migrate from Trac->Launchpad
[14:36] <deryck> sjamaan, right.  But it can used for more than Ubuntu.  I have a small Python web app that uses Django on hosted on LP.  If I have a bug in my app that's really a bug due to the dependency on Django, I could still file a bug on my app, but link it to where the actual bug is being tracked.
[14:36]  * sjamaan nods
[14:36] <sjamaan> Thanks for taking the time to explain!
[14:39] <deryck> sjamaan, np.  Thanks for asking!
[15:30] <maxb> Hrm. It appears that bzr-git's trunk has changed name
[15:30] <maxb> expect lots of people irk at broken stacked branches
[15:30] <maxb> *irked
[15:30] <Kangarooo> hello. is egde launchpad beeing changed?
[15:31] <Kangarooo> 2 h ago edge.launchpad.net had in main page in top left info about launchpad related programms now it looks like usual LP
[15:54] <deryck> Kangarooo, what URL are you looking at?
[15:55] <Kangarooo> https://edge.launchpad.net/ 2h ago there was info about LP related programms in top left side
[15:55] <d34df00d> Hi!
[15:55] <d34df00d> Is there any way to import TS translation files (Qt translations format) into Launchpad's translation system directly?
[15:56] <d34df00d> Seems like po2ts from translation toolkit or lconvert from Qt's tools lose some information, and each time I upload such converted .po files, translations start from scratch.
[15:57] <dpm> d34df00d, no, there isn't. You'll have to do the conversion from ts to po first. How exactly have you done the conversion (i.e. the exact command line) until now?
[15:57] <danilos> d34df00d, there is no direct support for ts format in LP; I can't help out with po2ts issues though, but we do have a bug that is being worked on where any upload containing an empty translation resets all translations in LP
[15:58] <deryck> Kangarooo, it looks the same as it always does to me.  Not sure what might be missing now.
[15:58] <d34df00d> dpm: lconvert filename.ts > filename.po
[15:58] <tsimpson> d34df00d: #kubuntu-devel may have some advice for you
[15:59] <Kangarooo> deryck: no no when i was doing that searches witch didnt worked today in LP i tryd edge LP and there was more info
[16:00] <d34df00d> tsimpson: oh, great idea, they obviously had this issue, I'd ask there. Thank you.
[16:01] <deryck> Kangarooo, what search did you try?
[16:02] <Kangarooo> deryck: no . im saying that when i was tryg to do thouse searches i also went to edge LP https://edge.launchpad.net/ and in https://edge.launchpad.net/ there was more info in Top Left now it looks the same as usual LP. but better would be if that info would be back couse that will help new LP users to get familliar
[16:03] <deryck> Kangarooo, ok, thanks.  I'm not sure what info is missing though.  Do you mean the context search info, i.e. if I search for "firefox" there is a link to exact matches above the other results?
[16:05] <Kangarooo> deryck: no not in search. in main page https://edge.launchpad.net/ and not https://edge.launchpad.net/search just https://edge.launchpad.net/ there was something about bazzar and take a tour was the last option
[16:06] <deryck> Kangarooo, ah ha!  I get what you mean now. :-)  You're logged in now.  The page changes once you log in.
[16:07] <deryck> I think that roughly the same options are available under the "get started" section once you log in.
[16:08] <Kangarooo> ouh.. yes now i see thats in both in LP and in ELP when loged out. hmm ok thats maybe logical couse loged in users are maybe familiar with that all already
[16:10] <Kangarooo> yes i wasnt loged in in egde since i forget that name egde so im using just LP ok then all is found now. just need that info now to learn more to use LP then to just post bugs
[16:42] <zedtux> Hi all, I'm requesting help for project translation. Is there some one to answer my questions please ? :)
[16:43] <intellectronica> zedtux: danilos should be able to help
[16:43] <zedtux> I don't really understand how launchpad do to import my translation files
[16:43] <zedtux> Okay, thanks intellectronica
[16:43] <zedtux> Are you here danilos ?
[16:49] <xapantu> Hi all !
[16:49] <xapantu> I would like to start translating SuperTuxKart in Launchpad
[16:50] <xapantu> But some translations of Supertuxkart are already under GPL
[16:50] <xapantu> And I don't know if I have the rights to have some strings under GPL and some strings under BSD
[16:54] <xapantu> Any idea ?
[16:54] <deryck> maybe jtv1 could help xapantu and zedtux?
[16:56] <xapantu> bah euh, jusqu'à il y a une semaine, les makefiles était faient à la main par exemple...
[16:56] <xapantu> et un seul dev avait le code...
[16:56] <xapantu> sorry
[16:57] <xapantu> :D I was talking on another chan
[16:57] <zedtux> xapantu: Sais tu comment demarrer la traduction d'un projet ?
[16:58] <zedtux> Moi j'ai fais des essaie, et maintenant je me retrouve avec 2 templates qui sont en fait les 2 meme
[16:58] <zedtux> et j'aimerai effacer les traductions, pour renvoyer le bon template
[16:58] <xapantu> On peut parler français ici ?
[16:58] <zedtux> LOL Sinon quoi ?
[16:59] <zedtux> Ils vont appeler la police ? xD
[16:59] <zedtux> attend ..
[17:03] <jtv1> hi deryck, hi xapantu...  sorry I just _had_ to get out of the house before the curfew.
[17:04] <xapantu> hi jtv1
[17:04] <jtv1> xapantu: you can always _add_ translations for SuperTuxKart in Launchpad; they will simply be available both under BSD and under GPL.
[17:04] <xapantu> ok, I could modify them ?
[17:05] <jtv> xapantu: maybe it's a good idea if I read a bit more of your explanation from earlier.  Just a minute.
[17:06] <xapantu> ok, thanks !
[17:06] <jtv> (zedtux: we don't delete templates, but I think if you're the owner you can disable one yourself by changing the seetings)
[17:07] <jtv> s/seetings/settings/
[17:07] <jtv> xapantu: I'm also just checking what the status of SuperTuxKart is in LP
[17:08] <xapantu> https://launchpad.net/stk
[17:09] <xapantu> Now, Launchpad is only for translations for STK
[17:09] <xapantu> The main home is at sourceforge.net
[17:09] <jtv> ah, thanks :)
[17:10] <xapantu> I "requested an import" 7 hours ago : https://code.launchpad.net/~stk-team/stk/trunk
[17:11] <jtv> xapantu: requesting an import is really not the easiest way to do this...  much better to have your svn trunk from sourceforge mirrored in bzr, and then let rosetta import the templates from there.
[17:11] <jtv> That will mean that changes to the templates will appear automatically in the translation UI.  Not instantly, but it'll save everyone a lot of work.  :)
[17:12] <xapantu> I created a mirrored branch
[17:12] <xapantu> it isn't a good solution
[17:12] <jtv> Why not?
[17:13] <xapantu> Sorry, I forgot "?" :D
[17:13] <zedtux> Ok thanks jtv
[17:13] <xapantu> But i think I will arrive to import my .pot and my .po files
[17:13] <zedtux> I'm checking that and I'll give you a feedback
[17:13] <xapantu> I have already done this for others project
[17:15] <xapantu> I have a problem with licenses : can I use files under GPL and modify them on Launchpad ?
[17:15] <zedtux> jtv: Okay, example: Here is the list of templates of my project: https://translations.launchpad.net/gnome-pad/trunk/+templates. At the beginning, I made the mistake of creating 2 tempates for frdnch and russian lanugage
[17:16] <zedtux> now that I realize that I was wrong, I want to delete the 'ru' template, and rename the 'fr' to 'gnome-pad'
[17:16] <zedtux> But I don't see any actions like that..
[17:16] <zedtux> Could you help me please ?
[17:17] <jtv> xapantu: the existing translations are a bit of an issue there.  In practice, it usually just doesn't matter.  But danilos may be able to help more there.
[17:18] <jtv> zedtux: coming up
[17:18] <zedtux> okay
[17:18]  * danilos looks
[17:19] <jtv> zedtux: on that page, when you move your mouse over the "Actions" column, you don't see an Edit link?
[17:19] <xapantu> danilos : I would like to use existing translations under GPL on Launchpad : new strings would be on BSD but the old ones will stay under GPL
[17:19] <zedtux> Yes I see it
[17:20] <danilos> xapantu, if you import them through a bazaar branch, it should be just fine: internally we'll keep track that they've come from the branch and will not consider them as BSD licensed; only new work happening in LP will be considered under BSD
[17:21] <danilos> xapantu, you can always combine BSD translations with GPL ones, though the end result will be a PO file under GPL
[17:21] <danilos> xapantu, but that's probably ok for you
[17:21] <xapantu> ok, thanks a lot for the explanation !
[17:21] <danilos> xapantu, they are under BSD in Launchpad just for that property: they can be combined with everything else, even GPL :)
[17:22] <danilos> jtv, because of message sharing, we are not showing template name on +edit pages yet :)
[17:22] <jtv> zedtux: that link should take you to a page where you should be able to change the name.  And if you deactivate the "Accept translations?" checkbox, that hides the template.
[17:22] <xapantu> And can I see strings which are under GPL on the user interface ?
[17:22] <jtv> danilos: ah
[17:22] <zedtux> okay jv
[17:23] <zedtux> ok jtv
[17:23] <jtv> zedtux: so it seems you can't change the name yourself yet; I'll do that.
[17:23] <danilos> xapantu, yes, they will show up, and when they are shown as suggestions there will be a small "warning" icon warning translators about the licensing
[17:23] <zedtux> Okay thanks ! :)
[17:23] <xapantu> danilos : ok, thanks !
[17:24] <zedtux> jtv: After that, my Russian contributors have to redo their translation in the right template, right ?
[17:24] <jtv> zedtux: they can export them first, and then import that file into the Russian translation of the one remaining template.
[17:24] <zedtux> Okay !
[17:24] <zedtux> Great
[17:25] <danilos> zedtux, btw, one of your English messages says "inforned" instead of "informed" (with "m" :)
[17:25] <zedtux> Oops.. LOl
[17:25] <zedtux> Thanks
[17:25] <xapantu> Now, I have another questions about the svn import :D : I created a mirored branch
[17:25] <xapantu> mirrored*
[17:26] <xapantu> It is the better solution or a Remote branch os better ?
[17:26] <xapantu> Because I will make no change on this branch, I just want to import it in Launchpad to import translations
[17:28] <danilos> xapantu, mirrored branch should be fine
[17:28] <xapantu> but it is only for bzr branch ? not svn ?
[17:29] <xapantu> oops, sorry
[17:29] <xapantu> I think you meant remote
[17:29] <danilos> xapantu, heh, terminology might be a bit weird here
[17:29] <danilos> xapantu, sure, whatever way you can set it up :) if that's the only way you can set up a svn branch, that'd be it
[17:30] <xapantu> So, I created a mirrored branch 8 hours ago and it is still on "pending review" : https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~stk-team/stk/trunk. There is a problem ?
[17:30] <xapantu> or the import is quite slow ?
[17:31] <danilos> xapantu, review is probably still done manually (i.e. by humans :)
[17:31] <danilos> xapantu, other teams usually take care of that, but I can probably approve the import for you
[17:31] <xapantu> ok :)
[17:31] <xapantu> That would be great :)
[17:32] <danilos> xapantu, I am reading the necessary docs to see how it's done :)
[17:33] <xapantu> ok, thanks (but if you haven't the time, don't worry !) :)
[17:34] <danilos> xapantu, approved, should be imported pretty soon if there are no problems with it
[17:34] <xapantu> ok, thanks a lot !
[17:36] <danilos> xapantu, you are welcome
[17:37] <xapantu> and can I make regular imports ?
[17:38] <xapantu> the branch will needs to be reviewed each time ?
[17:49] <zedtux> jtv: How many time it take to change the temple name ? Does it will be available today /
[17:49] <zedtux> ?
[17:49] <jtv> zedtux: ah, I made a mistake!  Sorry.  Lots of people asking about what happened here in Bangkok, so lots of distractions.
[17:50] <zedtux> Ha ok :)
[17:50] <jtv> I saw that the _domain_ had already been changed, and mistook that for the name.  Hang on.
[17:50] <zedtux> Ha ! Great !
[17:51] <zedtux> Thanks !
[17:51] <jtv> So done.
[17:51] <xapantu> danilos : do you know if the branch has to be reviewed each time I do an import ?
[17:51] <zedtux> Many thanks to you !
[17:51] <jtv> And more apologies for the delay.  :)
[17:51] <zedtux> Stop it ! xD
[17:52] <zedtux> The Translation domain field in the edit screen should be gnome-pad isn't it ?
[17:52] <danilos> xapantu, no, you don't have to do anything else regarding your branch: it will be checked for new commits every few hours
[17:52] <xapantu> cool :)
[17:52] <danilos> xapantu, you only have to set it as the "series" branch
[17:53] <xapantu> ok, so, if I don't change anything in this branches, there is no problem ?
[17:53] <danilos> xapantu, and I see you already did that, so it's all good :)
[17:53] <danilos> xapantu, no, I think it'll all be just fine
[17:53] <xapantu> ok, thanks !
[17:55] <jtv> zedtux: yes
[17:55] <zedtux> okay
[17:55] <jtv> zedtux: generally the domain and the name should really be the same
[17:56] <zedtux> Ok, I think everything is now in the perfect way
[17:56] <zedtux> I can continue to write it !
[17:56] <zedtux> thanks to you and have a nice day ! :)
[18:52] <BlackZ> has the launchpad login service problems? I can't login with the right pass and the reset pass e-mail doesn't arrive ( danilos ? )
[18:58] <deryck> BlackZ, spam measures eating the new password email?
[18:58] <BlackZ> deryck: nope, nothing in the spam folder
[18:58] <BlackZ> also, I have tried with two e-mail addresses
[18:58] <BlackZ> that's why I'm asking ..
[18:59] <deryck> BlackZ, can you authenticate here:  https://login.ubuntu.com/  ?
[18:59] <BlackZ> nope, I get "Password didn't match.", but the password is correct..
[19:01] <deryck> sinzui, I've reached the end of my ability to help BlackZ ^^.  Who do I ping or point him to for SSO issues?
[19:02] <sinzui> deryck, someone from ISD, or may launchpad-foundations if the issue just about launchpad authentication
[19:03] <sinzui> BlackZ, login.launchpad.net is actually login.ubuntu.com. if your provider is blocking launchpad, you can use the real site, maybe that email will get through
[19:04] <BlackZ> sinzui: the strange thing is that I was logged in few hours ago
[19:05] <BlackZ> (with the password which I'm trying to use right now)
[19:05] <sinzui> BlackZ, are you an edge user?
[19:05] <BlackZ> sinzui: yeah
[19:06] <sinzui> BlackZ, you must login to edge and lpnet separately. The redirect machinery make this awkward.
[19:06] <BlackZ> sinzui: BTW it always worked
[19:07] <sinzui> BlackZ, visit https://login.ubuntu.com/ and login, load https://launchpad.net and login, then visit https://edge.launchpad.net/ and login.
[19:07] <BlackZ> sinzui: but I get "Password didn't match." in all of that cases.
[19:09] <sinzui> BlackZ, then focus of the root problem, https://login.ubuntu.com/. That is the only site that knows your password. you do need to reset password if your keyboard is correct.
[19:10] <deryck> BlackZ, sinzui -- I asked our ISD guys... they suggest trying to reset the password again, and also note that they have a rollout of the SSO code today (subject to losa availability) which will fix a number of issues preventing login.
[19:39] <BlackZ> deryck: still getting stuck .. when that problem will be solved?
[19:39] <deryck> BlackZ, I'm not sure when the rollout of new code will be.  Was just told sometime today, subject to sys admin availability.
[19:41] <BlackZ> deryck: I wish it's not a my problem, also why I can't reset the password of my account :(
[21:28] <cyberix> Anything big going on in Launchpad development?
[21:28] <cyberix> Haven't seen any roadmapish stuff lately
[21:28] <cyberix> I was wonder, if there is any innovation going on
[21:35] <mwhudson> cyberix: have you seen https://dev.launchpad.net/RoadMap ?
[21:37] <BlackZ> mwhudson: do you know anything about the launchpad login? I'm unable to log in
[21:38] <mwhudson> BlackZ: not in detail, what happens when you try?
[21:38] <mwhudson> (do you or a proxy block referrer headers?)
[21:39] <BlackZ> mwhudson: I get "Password didn't match" also if the password is right, nope no proxy. I'm unable to receive the resetpassword e-mail (I'm using gmail) nothing in the spam folder
[21:40] <BlackZ> the password is correct.. I was logged in today
[21:40] <mwhudson> mmm
[21:40] <mwhudson> BlackZ: what is your lp username?
[21:41] <BlackZ> mwhudson: blackz
[21:45] <BlackZ> mwhudson: additionally, I can't login neither with login.ubuntu.com nor edge.launchpad.net - also, I have tried to do a resetpass from there too but same result :(
[21:45] <mwhudson> BlackZ: well at least it's consistent
[21:46] <BlackZ> mwhudson: is that a common problem or just a my problem?
[21:46] <mwhudson> BlackZ: i haven't heard that anyone else is having a problem, but then i only just got up
[21:47] <BlackZ> mwhudson: can't you find anything in the logs? :\
[21:47] <mwhudson> BlackZ: i'm only a developer, not a sysadmin
[21:48] <BlackZ> mwhudson: where can I find the sysadmins? (here?)
[21:49] <mwhudson> BlackZ: i've tried to get their attention on an internal channel
[21:49] <mwhudson> BlackZ: you could also email feedback@launchpad.net with your problem
[21:50] <BlackZ> mwhudson: ok thank you, as you can guess it's important for me
[21:51] <mwhudson> BlackZ: yes, i wish there was something more i could do to help :/
[22:00] <BlackZ> mwhudson: I have send the e-mail BTW
[22:01] <mwhudson> BlackZ: ok, i hope it gets some attention soon
[22:02] <BlackZ> mwhudson: I hope too :\
[22:03] <BlackZ> mwhudson: it works now, nevermind
[22:04] <mwhudson> BlackZ: !
[22:04] <mwhudson> ok
[22:04] <BlackZ> mwhudson: so what could I do for cancel my e-mail to feedback@launchpad.net ?
[22:04] <BlackZ> just reply to it?
[22:04] <mwhudson> yeah, just follow up