[04:39] <rww> arand: If you get a sec, could you confirm bug 584123, since you mentioned you're having it too? Thanks :)
[06:37] <Sarvatt> rww: done, added some more debug info to it too since i can reproduce
[09:07] <BUGabundo_remote> sleep check,clothes check,Monday start ohhhh
[09:28] <BUGabundo_remote> in case anyone likes it: http://bootcharts.f.bugabundo.net/  my bootcharts , now updated to have Maverick
[09:30] <JoshuaL> is it improved? :p
[09:30] <BUGabundo_remote> check for your self
[09:30] <BUGabundo_remote> I still say its slowwww
[09:31] <JoshuaL> with what do I have to compare it?
[09:31] <BUGabundo_remote> removing HAL around lucid RC improved like 20 sec
[09:31] <rww> I compare my Ubuntu netbook with my friend's Windows netbook. It's hilarious :)
[09:31] <BUGabundo_remote> well, you have 3 release cycles there
[09:31] <JoshuaL> cant even read it
[09:31] <BUGabundo_remote> click and zoom?
[09:32] <JoshuaL> didnt work
[09:32] <BUGabundo_remote> top right , suitable for rpinting
[09:32] <rww> yeah, the zoom in thing doesn't work for me either
[09:33] <rww> JoshuaL: oh, you can click "Photo" at the bottom of the preview thing, takes you to another page, click the link in the top right of that page
[09:34] <BUGabundo_remote> yep
[09:35] <JoshuaL> rww, found it ty
[09:38] <BUGabundo_remote> anyone has theirs on hand?
[09:40] <JoshuaL> im not on +1
[09:41] <arand> BUGabundo_remote: Tihi, looks like you hit the ply/mountall/fsck hang on the 04th, 15mins+ of boot  :D
[09:43] <arand> BUGabundo_remote: I've only ran Virtual as of late so they're not really representative, I'm afraid.
[09:48]  * BUGabundo_remote looks at topic
[09:48] <BUGabundo_remote> humm JoshuaL sure you are
[09:52] <JoshuaL> ?
[09:52] <JoshuaL> ohw :p
[09:58] <arand> Well at the moment nothing relly works in the standard instal for me due to this metacity fail, so I'm quite glad I'm not running it on metal for now :>
[09:59] <rww> using compiz, since it replaces metacity, stops that from happening, right?
[10:00] <arand> rww: I would assume.. Can't really run compiz in my VMs though..
[10:00] <rww> oh yeah, huh
[10:00] <rww> this is why you should upgrade your production machine ;P!
[10:01] <arand> sure...
[10:01] <JoshuaL> :P
[10:02] <BUGabundo_remote> rww: +1
[10:02] <BUGabundo_remote> compiz is WFM
[10:07] <arand> rww: btw. seems like someone already confirmed the totem crash there, with backtrace and all, I just marked myself as affected. And since I'm not completely sure it has nothing to do with my metacity fail or so, I didn't want to confirm it just yet back then..
[10:07] <JoshuaL> i always wonder if there are some tweaks to make ubuntu make advantage of quad-cores on bootup
[10:07] <rww> yeah, it got confirmed after I asked :)
[10:09] <arand> rww: And I tried downgrading the last set of elibc, which did nothing, so now I'm suspecting my earlier batch of libglib2 libgdk, etc...
[10:09] <BUGabundo_remote> are there DDEBs yet?
[10:09] <BUGabundo_remote> 'o
[10:09] <BUGabundo_remote> http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/dists/
[10:09] <BUGabundo_remote> no :(
[10:10] <arand> BUGabundo_remote: What I did is install the lucid one's :)
[10:11] <BUGabundo_remote> and it works?
[10:11] <BUGabundo_remote> ok, installing cheese and totem and gstream gdb libs
[10:12] <BUGabundo_remote> cheese-dbgsym:
[10:12] <BUGabundo_remote>   Depends: cheese (=2.30.0-0ubuntu2) but 2.30.1-1ubuntu1 is to be installed
[10:13] <arand> Hmm
[10:14] <arand> Well I managed to pull in the metacity one, but if it's gonna be that picky it's messy, guess you could just repackage it and edit debian/control, though.
[10:15] <arand> Or force it temporarily :)
[10:15] <gnomefreak> the updated libc6 isnt pushed yet?
[10:16] <BUGabundo_remote> humm great more bad depencies
[10:17] <gnomefreak> libc6 has been eld back since mid week last week IIRC
[10:17] <gnomefreak> s/eld/held
[10:17] <BUGabundo_remote> can anyone confirm that gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-dbg pull some weird package?
[10:18] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_remote: what package?
[10:18] <BUGabundo_remote> cant recall
[10:18] <BUGabundo_remote> wasn't paying attention
[10:18] <BUGabundo_remote> gstreamer0.10-esd
[10:19] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_remote: nope. dpends nad rdepends dont have it listed
[10:19] <gnomefreak> s/nad/and
[10:19] <BUGabundo_remote> $ apt-cache rdepends gstreamer0.10-esd
[10:19] <BUGabundo_remote> Reverse Depends:   gstreamer0.10-esd-dbgsym
[10:19] <BUGabundo_remote> why oh why!!!!
[10:19] <BUGabundo_remote> doesn't make sense to poor me
[10:20] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_remote: hold that thought i will show you what i see. why do you have the dubsys repo enabled?
[10:21] <gnomefreak> sorry its still a bit early
[10:21] <gnomefreak>  BUGabundo_remote http://paste.ubuntu.com/438724/
[10:22] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_remote: you dont need the dbgsys repos enabled. they havent been updated for 10.10
[10:22] <BUGabundo_remote> $ apt-cache rdepends gstreamer0.10-esd | pastebinit  http://paste.ubuntu.com/438725/
[10:22] <BUGabundo_remote> gnomefreak: I know
[10:22] <BUGabundo_remote> I just complained about that
[10:23] <BUGabundo_remote> but why a dbg package is pulling a non dbg package, of something that the non-dbg package of it self, doesn't pull, is bafling me
[10:23]  * BUGabundo_remote and now my words have bafled everyone else too
[10:23] <SandGorgon> for Maverick, do you think it makes sense to have a Plymouth theme that does not depend on KMS or starts GUI very early - basically Plymouth that functions like the usplash of old. I would very much like to build a flavor of Ubuntu based on that
[10:24] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_remote: http://paste.ubuntu.com/438727/  disable the dbgsys repos and you wont see it
[10:26] <BUGabundo_remote> humoring gnomefreak and turning off DDEBs repo, till A1
[10:27] <BUGabundo_remote> anyone looking at python-twisted-conch ?
[10:28] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_remote: im thinking yes but ive been gone for a week
[13:46] <BUGabundo_remote> [OT] have you guys seen this ? http://videojs.com/
[14:08] <vish> !schedule
[14:59] <hifi> on my xfce 4.6 the network-manager (gnome?) applet opens and closes in a endless loop
[14:59] <hifi> also the icon is shown in a 16x16 window on my screen rather than in the task area where it should be
[15:00] <hifi> and xcompmgr was on by default even when I had composition disabled in the window manager tweaks dialog
[15:05] <BUGabundo_remote> hifi: in maverick?
[15:06] <hifi> yes
[15:06] <hifi> updates in the last two days broke it
[17:16] <dlacklight> When is the alpha release?
[17:16] <SecretofMana> June 3rd.
[17:18] <dlacklight> How can a programmer contribute to Ubuntu, I am really interested and I am a programmer.
[17:18] <dlacklight> I am good at C, C++ and JAVA.
[17:19] <dlacklight> I want to contribute to Maverick Meerkat.
[17:19] <dlacklight> Where do I begin?
[17:19] <stenten> dlacklight: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[17:21] <stenten> dlacklight: better link at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu#Writing Code
[17:26] <bjsnider> it would be better to have a specific project in mind, or a task that remains undone
[17:43] <knittl> hi. i got 70 packages held back
[17:43] <knittl> safe-upgrade won't upgrade any
[17:43] <knittl> can somebody shed some light?
[17:43] <knittl> lots of qt stuff
[17:50] <BUGabundo_remote> try full upgrade and see what it sugests
[17:51] <BUGabundo_remote> some times its just ONE packagin holding them all
[18:09] <gnomefreak> maybe let it remove libc6-686 that may help you out. using update-manager -d should do everything for you anyway
[18:17] <knittl> isn't update-manager -d for distupgrades?
[18:18] <knittl> lol, »an upgrade from maverick to lucid is not supported with this tool«
[18:18] <jpds> Yes; that would be a downgrade.
[18:18] <knittl> bummer
[18:19] <knittl> libc6 you sy? gnomefreak
[18:19] <knittl> * say
[18:19] <gnomefreak> knittl: libc6-686 or its libc6-i686 is no longer needed
[18:19] <knittl> what about libgraphvis4?
[18:19] <gnomefreak> knittl: i removed that as well
[18:19] <knittl> it's libc6-i686
[18:20] <gnomefreak> it will not hurt anything
[18:20] <knittl> ok, aptitude full-upgrade seems to only remove those 2
[18:20] <knittl> 3 packages will be broken then
[18:20] <gnomefreak> once libc6-* is removed everything else should fall into place (or atleast most of it)
[18:20] <knittl> libmagickcore1 libqt4-assistant and libqt4-phonon
[18:21] <gnomefreak> knittl: it no longer is around libmagickcore1
[18:21] <knittl> let's remove libc6-i686 first
[18:21] <gnomefreak> as for qt stuff i dont know. here is the catch: if you do not know what you are doing, stick with Lucid
[18:21] <knittl> is there a way to see what i'm doing?
[18:22] <Pici> knittl: update-manager -d is for DEVEL not, distupgrade
[18:22] <gnomefreak> i can see what im doing just fine
[18:22] <knittl> because usually i ask on irc if there are a lot of packages not being upgraded
[18:22] <knittl> Pici: oh ok. so why does it want to downgrade?
[18:22] <gnomefreak> knittl: you dont
[18:22] <Pici> knittl: /me shrugs
[18:22] <gnomefreak> knittl: reinstall
[18:23] <knittl> hu what?
[18:23] <gnomefreak> knittl: there is NO safe way to downgrade
[18:23] <knittl> i do not want to downgrade!
[18:23] <holstein> knittl: are you running maverick?
[18:24] <gnomefreak> knittl: you dont want to be on 10.10 unless you know what you are doing. keep in mind it hasnt hit Alpha yet and you seem to be unaware of what you are doing
[18:24] <knittl> holstein: i'm running maverick
[18:24] <knittl> gnomefreak: i know it's pre-alpha
[18:24] <holstein> then just hunker down, relax and hope for the best
[18:24]  * holstein thinks its a bit too early as well 
[18:25]  * gnomefreak has enough boxes where it doesnt matter what im running
[18:25] <knittl> gnomefreak: how do you know what you are doing? i mean, how (where from) do you know which packages are safe to remove/no longer needed?
[18:25] <gnomefreak> knittl: by knowing what each package does would be best place to start
[18:26] <knittl> hum…
[18:26] <sebsebseb> Hi
[18:26] <gnomefreak> example: you know that firefox isnt needed so if it removes that you can live without it, or dont upgrade it, or hope for best
[18:27] <stenten> knittl: by subscribing to the maverick-changes mailing list.
[18:27] <gnomefreak> knittl: at this stage only devs should be running maveri
[18:27] <gnomefreak> maveric
[18:27] <gnomefreak> damnit you know what i mean
[18:27] <knittl> maverick
[18:27] <knittl> :D
[18:28] <holstein> knittl: if your going to run it, you should be prepared to have it hosed, and to reinstall anytime
[18:28] <gnomefreak> if something breaks i can most likely work around it or fix it
[18:28] <knittl> holstein: i can live with that
[18:28] <sebsebseb> knittl: I just joined here
[18:28] <sebsebseb> knittl: however not much point doing 10.10  if your just going to test, untill alpha 1
[18:28] <sebsebseb> oh and alpha 1 will be very much like 10.04
[18:28] <gnomefreak> oh please dont say that
[18:29] <stenten> it has 2.6.34!
[18:29] <gnomefreak> by saying that it will/can encourage people to upgrade thinking that it is safe
[18:29] <knittl> hehe
[18:29] <knittl> don't worry about me, i know the risks
[18:29] <JontheEchidna> Right now we're doing merges with the Debian KDE packages, so things have been a bit broken with regards to KDE packages. Next up is some more turmoil (KDE 4.5 beta) so things are likely to be a bit wonky for a while yet.
[18:29] <JontheEchidna> But libqt4-assistant and libqt4-phonon are both safe to remove, though
[18:30]  * gnomefreak not worried at all but keep in mind support isnt really here yet so file bugs
[18:30] <gnomefreak> and we start all over again :(
[18:30] <knittl> JontheEchidna: ah ok, that explains things. thanks :)
[18:30] <sebsebseb> stenten: a new kernel so what, every version gets a new kernel for Ubuntu, but as far as I know also all the other distros.  I know there will be btfs support,  but other then that, what's the big deal about the newer kernel it will have?
[18:30] <knittl> i don't use much of kde anyway
[18:30] <gnomefreak> doesnt anyone read the devel mailing list?
[18:30] <JontheEchidna> libqt4-assistant was removed from upstream, and libqt4-phonon moved to libphonon4
[18:30] <knittl> sebsebseb: updated nvidia drivers …
[18:31] <gnomefreak> we cherry picked some things from newest kernel before Lucid released
[18:31] <sebsebseb> knittl: I know that recently Nivida have  come out with a new driver for Windows, and Linux, there was an article, I haven't read it yet though
[18:31] <stenten> sebsebseb: aye, the video driver stack is now mostly in kernelspace because of KMS.
[18:31] <knittl> JontheEchidna: if packages are removed upstream, will they be removed by updatescripts automatically after some time?
[18:32]  * gnomefreak goes to check on laundry and see what i can do about Mozilla bug
[18:32] <JontheEchidna> knittl: a normal lucid -> maverick upgrade should remove that package as cruft automagically.
[18:32] <JontheEchidna> (using the normal update-manager frontend)
[18:33] <knittl> at a time where maverick is final?
[18:33] <JontheEchidna> right
[18:33] <knittl> ok
[18:33] <knittl> but that's the reason i check #ubuntu+1 from time to time :>
[18:33] <knittl> seems like removing those two libqt4 packages updates all the others. good
[18:40] <gnomefreak> libqt4 is the lib you dont want to remove unless you want to remove KDE all together
[18:40] <gnomefreak> 95% of kde apps will be removed at that point
[18:48] <knittl> nope
[18:48] <knittl> it's still all here
[18:48] <knittl> and it wasn't libqt4 but libqt4-{assistant,phonon}
[19:32]  * cwillu gets out the poking stick
[19:46] <BUGabundo> LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
[19:47]  * BUGabundo runs from cwillu
[19:47]  * cwillu gives chase, and gives BUGabundo the poking of a lifetime
[19:47] <cwillu> or something like that :p
[19:50]  * BUGabundo bleeds
[19:52]  * charlie-tca offers cwillu the 'extra big hammer'
[19:52] <BUGabundo> et tu brutus ?
[19:52] <charlie-tca> easier than poking, sometimes
[19:52]  * cwillu awkwardly holds the hammer by the claw
[19:52] <charlie-tca> only takes a 'gentle' tap
[19:52] <cwillu> what do I do with this?
[19:53] <charlie-tca> hold it by the handle and tap 'gently'
[19:53] <BUGabundo> you hit danag
[19:53]  * BUGabundo runs
[19:53] <charlie-tca> ;-)
[19:53]  * BUGabundo runs faster till get out of air
[19:59]  * bjsnider wonders what the poke is going on
[20:05]  * BUGabundo still the poking stick from cwillu and pokes bjsnider.... from a far far distance
[20:17] <cwillu> he stole my poking stick :(
[20:17] <charlie-tca> I would stay away from him
[20:19] <dupondje> is there already a fresh kernel in Maverick ?
[20:23] <holstein> define 'fresh' ;P
[20:24] <BUGabundo> Linux BluBUG 2.6.34-3-generic #10-Ubuntu SMP Wed May 19 03:08:32 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[20:24] <dupondje> heh ok :D
[20:24] <dupondje> pfft, I wish #ubuntu had some guys with knowledge :(
[20:25] <BUGabundo> it does
[20:25] <dupondje> can't find them :P
[20:25] <BUGabundo> but it hasa worse ration then here
[20:25] <duffydack> all the REAL nerds are on the ubuntu facebook page
[20:26] <cwillu> dupondje, I don't say anything in the hopes that nobody picks on me
[20:26] <dupondje> :P
[20:26] <dupondje> we should need #ubuntu-pro :P
[20:27] <dupondje> Xorg going to 100% any idea ? :)
[20:27]  * charlie-tca thinks if there is already a shortage of good help, speading it out thinner may not be a good thing...
[20:28] <dupondje> since I installed nvidia drivers :s
[20:28] <cwillu> charlie-tca, does it go away if you close firefox?
[20:29] <charlie-tca> heh?
[20:29] <cwillu> serious question
[20:29] <bjsnider> something has to be done about firefox, though, i'll tell you that
[20:29] <charlie-tca> Does what go away?
[20:30] <cwillu> I get 100% cpu spikes if my mouse cursor is over a firefox window, going away several seconds after the mouse is no longer over a ff window
[20:30] <dupondje> without firefox it seems fast indeed ... :s
[20:30] <dupondje> wtf :)
[20:30] <bjsnider> linux's firefox is pretty much disastrous
[20:31] <bjsnider> i think it's faster in wine
[20:31] <holstein> lol
[20:31] <bjsnider> i'm serious
[20:31] <dupondje> but don't have that issue with nouveau :(
[20:31] <bjsnider> someone said it was faster in wine
[20:32] <holstein> OH, im just laughing, not doughting ;)
[20:32] <bjsnider> doubting
[20:33]  * holstein gives a spelling 'gold-star' to bjsnider :)
[20:33]  * bjsnider throws it down, stomps on it, and then looks back in anger
[20:33] <holstein> ive been enjoying the speed of chromium
[20:33] <holstein> but i dont think thats the answer
[20:39] <BUGabundo> holstein: chromium aint much better
[20:39] <BUGabundo> I've got repeated lost X , when closing chromium
[20:39] <holstein> its got its issues
[20:40] <bjsnider> never happened here
[20:40] <holstein> i can just get it to open in under 15 seconds
[20:41] <dupondje> so there is no fix for it ? Only go back to nouveau ?
[20:43] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: got it several days, over various updates
[20:43] <BUGabundo> on two pcs
[20:43] <BUGabundo> on in maverick and one in debian unstable
[20:44] <BUGabundo> holstein: chromium is one of the fastest opening apps I've got
[20:44] <holstein> and gracefully crashing is kinda nice
[20:47] <dupondje> cwillu: so what can be done to fix ? switch back to nouveau ?
[20:47] <cwillu> dupondje, only just confirmed that it isn't just me, and you already want a fix?
[20:47] <dupondje> :)
[20:47] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, so you agree that firefox on linux is not fast at all
[20:57] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: opening, no.. rendering a bit slower then chromium
[21:06] <BUGabundo> how is ATI in lucid?
[21:06] <BUGabundo> I got a karmic laptop I want to upgrade
[21:06] <Ian_Corne> for lucid support, join #ubuntu
[21:06] <Ian_Corne> :p
[21:06] <Ian_Corne> I'm running lucid fine with the ati drivers, running a HD 4860
[21:07] <Ian_Corne> 4870*
[21:07] <BUGabundo> I'm using it right now to plug via hdmi to a 37 tvlcd
[21:07] <BUGabundo> and using youtube.com/XL
[21:07] <BUGabundo> its filled of bugs :\
[21:07] <BUGabundo> darn ati drivers
[21:13] <bjsnider> ok,, pretty much all linux graphics drivers are horrendous
[21:13] <bjsnider> the intel driver is ok, but the hardware sucks
[21:14] <holstein> i think im going to get intel hardware next build
[21:14]  * holstein not a gamer or anything
[21:23] <dupondje> cwillu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/562802
[21:23] <dupondje> :)
[21:44] <BUGabundo> holstein: best on my POV: nvidia
[21:45] <dupondje> well got big issue with the driver imo :) such slow scrolling in firefox :(
[21:45] <bjsnider> nvidia's gnome-shell performance is terrible right now, hdmi audio may or may not work nad there's no kms
[21:45] <bjsnider> they made a bunch of inexplicable changes to the structure of the 256 driver
[21:46] <BUGabundo> :(
[21:46] <BUGabundo> wfm
[23:37] <phillw> good evening, is there a date set for the rc of alpha1 yet ?
[23:38] <arand> !schedule
[23:38] <BUGa_Alice_in_WL> humm
[23:38] <BUGa_Alice_in_WL> rc of alpha!? eheh
[23:39] <arand> Well, it could be argued that when they start rolling the first dailies...
[23:39] <phillw> arand: it may be a suprise, but i am familiar to that area, having been thru' the lucid testing ... hence, i ask again - is there a date for the testing of the iso for alpha1?
[23:40] <phillw> arand: I think that is the one I'm looking for :-D
[23:41]  * phillw still has the rc cd for a1 ;-)  Souvenier CD 
[23:42] <arand> phillw: I'm not sure really, #ubuntu-testing might have a better clue, or not.
[23:42] <phillw> okies, I'll go pester them :-)
[23:42] <arand> Or they might be asleep...
[23:44] <phillw> or I might bug 23Meg - lol