[05:35] hi anybody there [05:36] i want to know the exact flow of rootstock script [05:36] and its functioning === JaMa|Zzzz is now known as JaMa|Gprs [08:05] good morning [08:07] morning [08:35] hi [08:35] how good is 10.04 on beagleboard? [08:37] neure: it works fairly well on the C4 board [08:37] though, rcn-ee's kernels are better than the official Ubuntu one. [08:38] DanaG: Do we know precisely how? Is this fixable? [08:39] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/linux-ti-omap [08:41] amitk: Do we have an SRU in progress? [08:41] persia: some of those bugs will be fixed as SRUs, yes [08:41] I'm also interested in this: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-m-uefi-support [08:42] though, it'd be nice to get HP to fix the first-gen elitebooks' broken UEFI. [08:42] * persia looks again, having thought all of them were listed as SRU candidates [08:42] DanaG: That ought drop in fairly smoothly. EFI already (mostly) works. The main issue with UEFI is the CDs. [08:44] My issue, specifically, is that my firmware seems to claim GraphicsOutputProtocol support... but the framebuffer is at 0x0. [08:44] also: http://h30499.www3.hp.com/hpeb/?category.id=business-support [08:44] Ah, that's broken firmware then *) [08:44] er [08:45] fail.... urls are now dead. [08:45] morning === XorA|gone is now known as XorA [08:47] Next-gen models are supposedly fixed... but that does me no good. =( [08:47] It'll be interesting to see uefi + ARM. [08:47] well i'd like to know what does not work [08:48] "fairly well" is rather meaningless [08:48] OTG is broken ATM, and DanaG has pointed you to the buglist [08:48] bugs at launchpad? hmm let me see [08:48] my computer is really slow right now though :/ [09:03] which package has 7za? [09:06] p7zip at one point [09:06] neure, apt-cache search 7za ;) [09:07] thx [09:12] "Everything is Ok" [09:12] lol [09:12] so comforting [09:15] im on my x86 linux now, how do i figure out what device is my memory card reader? [09:15] dmesg? [09:16] or if its formatted it should just automount :) [09:16] (once you plug an SD in) [09:16] ogra: depends on system config - my ubuntus do not automount [09:16] mine does [09:17] definately in karmic and lucid [09:17] with the builtin mmc reader as well as with an external USB one [09:17] [161018.255969] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdi] Assuming drive cache: write through [09:17] [161018.255973] sdi: sdi1 [09:17] 10:17 hrw@home:~$ mount|grep sdi [09:17] 10:17 hrw@home:~$ [09:18] wow, file a bug [09:18] devkit-disks should definately pick it up [09:18] ogra: for me it is not a bug but proper behaviour [09:18] it should only not automount if you added a specific udev rule to omit it [09:18] hmm mine is sdb [09:19] by default all block devices are supposed to be automounted [09:19] * neure ./setup_sdcard.sh --mmc /dev/sdb --uboot beagle --swap_file 100 [09:20] neure: I have hdds as sda/b/c, one card reader as sdd/e/f/g, pendrive as sdh and second card reader as sdi [09:20] i hope i get this Lucid 10.04 Xfce4 to boot on my C2 beagleboard [09:21] for a C2 make sure to have a proper power supply attached [09:21] and a powered hub as well [09:21] check, check [09:21] it has HW issues wrt USB/power [09:21] keyboard and mouse is in the powered hub [09:21] the mini usb thing, also ethernet is there [09:22] i wonder if i need any specific boot arguments [09:22] no, just boot [09:22] beyond that i'd recommend the netinstall image and then install xubuntu-desktop (or xfce ) [09:22] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Beagle [09:22] would that be somehow better? [09:22] its tested and supported :) [09:23] ok i'll go that instead then [09:23] * ogra just closed a bunch of bugs as invalid from people that use their own kernels [09:23] 10 years ago my desktop had 128MB ram and it was enough for gnome1. today with beagleboard/256MB ram it is hard to fit something [09:24] 640k is enough for everyone !! [09:24] why is the netinstall image half a gig?) [09:24] hrw: that's called progress [09:24] neure, the netinstall image isnt half a gig [09:24] neure: its SD card image [09:24] neure: lot of empty space inside [09:24] neure, dont mix up netinstall with netbook :) [09:25] netinstall is about 10MB [09:25] "Download installation software" Download the ubuntu-10.04-netbook-armel+omap.img image file from ... [09:25] amitk: add >logger "autogetty: $GETTY_ARGS"< to /etc/init/autogetty.conf and restart. then tell what was in syslog [09:25] that is the first thing on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/BeagleNetbookInstall [09:25] and that image is half a gig [09:25] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/BeagleNetInstall [09:25] you are looking at the wrong one [09:25] oh [09:26] the netbook image contains the whole netbook release :) === JaMa|Gprs is now known as JaMa [09:26] which gets you what the screenshot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Beagle shows [09:27] (only tested on beagle C4 though, not sure it works on a C2) [09:27] I got netbook installed on C3 [09:27] not that I would suggest using it [09:27] does C2 have 256M ? [09:27] * ogra thought that was still 128 [09:27] netbook definately needs 256 [09:28] (and a lot of swap) [09:29] hrw, yeah, netbook was mainly thought as a base for the upcoming panda/blaze images in maverick ... probably also good to demo whats possible but surely not for daily use [09:29] Cx have 256MB [09:29] Ax/Bx were 128MB [09:29] right, i wasnt sure if there wasnt some overlap [09:29] there was cpu overlap [09:30] B7 got newer silicon [09:30] C4 got even newer one [09:30] ah [09:32] cooloney, so i was trying to build touchbook kernels on my blaze over the weekend ... seems there are still some issues, usually make uImage works fine but in make modules i then get bus errors (or the other way round if i build modules first on the second run when using make uImage i get the same) [09:32] ogra: I thought the only problem with touchbook was the display resolution? [09:32] i was using make -j2 so it might be a heat problem or it might trigger the same issue we see with git clone, not sure [09:33] amitk, nope, there are DSS2 patches (that break all other boards) that arent in our tree [09:33] i finally found a 2.6.32 tree to build that actually has all patches i need, but now my touchbook seems ot have power issues [09:34] so i didnt get very far yet but seeing a tty on console [09:34] somehow the battery doesnt charge ... i wonder if the power supply has issues with 220v (even though the printed specs disagree) [09:35] it shuts down after a minute or two [09:35] ogra: OE 2.6.32 works on TB iirc [09:35] hrw, i dont use OE, i want a plain kernel tree [09:35] so i can diff patches against the ubuntu tree [09:35] ogra: my 4430 SDP hard locks on occasion, but this is the sort of thing we expect with ES1.0 hardware :-D [09:35] but anyway the TB patches are to intrusive [09:36] we would need a standalone kernel for it i guess [09:36] (which i'm fine to provide from people.u.c once i have one that works though) [09:36] (as unsupported build indeed :) ) [09:36] ogra: what's touchbook kernel? i have no idea about that. -:/ [09:37] cooloney, its just a kernel [09:37] cooloney, the point is thet the blaze kernel misbehaves when i try to build a kernel with it [09:37] it either overheats or exposes the same issue we see with git [09:37] its fine after i reboot the blaze [09:37] ogra: so what's the difference between blaze kernel and touchbook kernel? [09:38] cooloney, forget about the touchbook kernel [09:38] my point is that building soemthing heavyweight on the blaze with -j2 makes it die at some point [09:38] gcc spills out bus errors after 1-2h of building [09:38] ogra: ok, terrible. [09:39] which are gone after a reboot [09:39] bus errors [09:39] we need to talk to nicolas [09:39] but its a bank holiday across most of europe today [09:39] ogra: right, maybe they did similar test on blaze [09:39] so it has to wait until tomorrow [09:39] ogra: ok, understand [09:40] just wanted to notify you that there is some issue [09:40] and a kernel is the heaviest i can build atm ... thats why i took a touchbook kernel [09:40] (i didnt like to build OO.o :P ) [09:40] ogra: ok, so if ~test6 works on your hardware, [09:41] i am going to ask merge the kernel as a branch in lucid [09:41] ok [09:41] and upload it to PPA [09:41] i'm still running test5 [09:41] what changed ? [09:41] oh, i went throught the email from Sebastein [09:41] ah [09:41] and built-in SysLink driver which will cause linking error before [09:42] and rebased to omap4 latest kernel from omapzoom [09:42] they updated some wifi MMC things in their kernel [09:42] ok [09:42] so mostly are not big change since ~test5 [09:43] and ogra, before I upload it to PPA, need i solve the ABI dump and modules list issue in kernel? [09:43] well, you discuss some SMP related option there [09:43] oh, that KGDB, [09:43] i guess for the first upload you need to disable the abi and module checks [09:43] amitk will know though [09:44] they did not implement a function for KGDB in SMP [09:44] cooloney, since my building fails with -j2 it might be related [09:44] so we have to disable KGDB in our kernel [09:44] i havent tried without -j2 though [09:44] ogra: so -j1 works fine in your blaze? [09:44] ok [09:45] cooloney: for first upload, just ignore the abi and modules list (see wiki) [09:45] havent tried yet, building a kernel with -j1 will take ages :) [09:45] ogra: ok, IC, heh [09:45] amitk: thx, i failed to find the wiki about that. [09:45] amitk: where is it? [09:46] whoops [09:46] cooloney: see the first few omap uploads in lucid, there is a ignore and modules.ignore file in the abi dir [09:46] -j2 finishes building uImage in 45min ... i think -j1 will take 3h or more :) === ogra_ is now known as ogra [09:47] amitk: so i just touch those 2 files and upload the kernel source. [09:48] hmm ?? where does that underscore guy come from [09:48] weird, i have two xchats running but see only one on the desktop [09:49] cooloney: each of those files should contain a single line with '1' in it. [09:50] amitk: thanks, i understand. so for uploading, the page in our ppa is quite simple. [09:50] amitk: 'dput ' what does that mean? [09:51] use the .changes file for uploading with dput [09:51] cooloney: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelMaintenance (seearch for ignore) [09:52] cooloney: you have to build the kernel (debuild) and upload the resulting .changes files to PPA [09:52] cooloney, you need to generate a debian source package (which generates _source.changes) and then upload the .changes file (it pulls the other bits of the source package with it) [09:53] ah, got it. so how to generate a debian source package for kernel? [09:54] either using "dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa" or debuaild -S in the source tree [09:54] *debuild [09:54] make sure to have your gpg key set up right before doing that, you need to sign the package [09:56] ogra: thx, will try soon [09:56] (debuild/dpkg-buildpackage will automatically ask for your passphrase and do everything for you) [09:57] ogra: it is so smart now, much easier in lucid than before [09:58] building packages ? [09:58] that has always been like that :) [09:58] (cant speak for the kernel though, not sure that was different before lucid, but i dont think so) [09:59] ogra: need i use root or fackroot? [09:59] fakeroot is ok, but you shouldnt even need that for building a source package [09:59] err ... hmm, you might [09:59] use fakeroot :) [10:00] never use root for building packages [10:00] ogra: you should like this: http://hrw.pastebin.com/aR3VSxJS [10:00] hrw, great ! [10:00] hrw, how about dropping all the if/then ? :) [10:01] [ -z $BITS ] && BITS=8 [10:01] works the same way and is more readable [10:01] I like if/then/fi more [10:01] (makes no difference execution wise) [10:01] ogra: I prefer programing languages then shell ones so if/then/fi [10:02] hrw, will you put that into initramfs-tools by default ? [10:02] * ogra votes for it [10:02] ogra: asac did put it in some package already [10:02] ogra: so ask him [10:02] oh, /bin/autologinroot wont work in initramfs-tools [10:02] hrm [10:03] hrw, i want that function in ubuntu proper too [10:03] but /bin/autologinroot will make that impossible [10:04] ogra: I think that /etc/default/autogetty can solve that [10:04] you mean by just checking for a variable ? yeah, that would help [10:05] asac, where do you plan to put that script ? [10:06] (it wasnt uploadedd to maverick apparently) [10:06] ogra: http://hrw.pastebin.com/LtbQBMa0 [10:06] ogra: I think that so far it landed in newcore package [10:07] right, i'd like to have that function in maverick (and i'd like to use it for 10.07) [10:07] why do you set line 17 ? [10:07] if AUTOGETTY_ARGS="-n -l /bin/autologinroot" is in /etc/default/autogetty that should be fine [10:07] cause I am testing it on system where I do not want to create such one [10:08] ah [10:09] well, for having it in maverick it would have to not use autogetty by default [10:09] so you need the eaxct opposite here :/ [10:10] ogra: or add "START=yes/no" in /etc/default/autogetty [10:10] right, something like that [10:10] though that would even require to have the autogetty binary in the main distro [10:11] i would propose to just source the default file if it exists, put your stuff into the distro and for your project just have a package that creates the file [10:11] i.e. an autogetty package that ships binary and /etc/default/autogetty [10:12] that way the distro can have serail gettys automatically without using root access on them by default [10:13] ok, will discuss with asac [10:13] cool, thanks :) [10:13] i guess he's off today as well [10:14] and i'll go enjoying a bit of my free day too now ... back later [10:15] national holiday? [10:18] yes whit monday [10:21] I need to readd US/UK/FR national holidays to calendar [10:23] ogra_cmpc: curious, .fi has a WhitSunday [10:24] amitk, we have that too [10:24] its both days in .de [10:27] amitk: what's the point on having sunday off? ;) [10:28] kblin: if you work in supermarket then it matters [10:28] hrw: not in .de [10:28] kblin: but in .pl yes [10:28] at least in my state supermarkets aren't allowed to open on sundays [10:29] kblin: basically if you work in businnes which is open 7 days a week then sundayOff matters [10:29] same here [10:29] which is funny, given how much more religious the polish people are in general [10:29] in Poland supermarkets can be open on sundays and I even like it. [10:29] during week I do not have a time to go and make big shopping [10:30] well, people tried to do that in .de as well, but unions and churches lobbied against it [10:31] so if you have a gas station with an attached supermarket you can open on sunday, but if you're a normal supermarket you can't [10:31] obviously god likes gas stations ;) [10:55] heh [10:55] * ogra_cmpc just found out why his touchbook batteries didnt charge [10:55] apparetnly you can only charge it while its running [10:58] common problem with cheap hardware [10:59] ogra_cmpc: I'm guessing they have a driver to do charging then? [11:00] apparently [11:00] i wish the NIC would work :( [11:03] quit complaining, at least you have one to play with :-D [11:03] ok, lets plug some dongles and report bugs against linux-omap-ti [11:03] linux-ti-omap [11:03] right - have it open in browser [11:03] test1: rt2570 [11:03] ogra_cmpc: Yes, on N900 the phone actually boots in a special mode when charging the batteires [11:04] well, its supposed to be a rt2879 [11:04] err [11:04] 2870 [11:04] ogra: no, I have rt2570 and rt3072 here [11:04] loading the shipped module in OE doesnt get me a device [11:04] ah [11:05] and plugging the device into an x86 system also only gets me errors in dmesg [11:05] i suspect the HW is dead [11:05] let me check [11:06] plugging in my zd1211rw NIC makes the system shut down ... i guess i need to charge some more hours [11:06] ok, got same in desktop. shit... it was working [11:06] 6€ turned to dust [11:07] sadly OE only ships that single one USB wlan NIC driver :( [11:07] will check under maverick kernel later (on desktop) [11:07] so even if it wouldnt shut down, my zd1211rw wouldnt work :( [11:08] without network its a pretty useless thing ... [11:09] * amitk boots a 2.6.34 maverick kernel on the beagle [11:09] * ogra_cmpc is envious [11:10] amitk: share [11:10] will surely be in the archive soon [11:11] cool [11:11] rt3072 under lucid/desktop suxx [11:13] geez [11:13] erm [11:13] i cant get ARM/BeagleNetInstall to work [11:13] * ogra_cmpc reads the AI FAQ [11:13] fatload mmc 0 0x82000000 boot.scr says 227 bytes read [11:13] source 0x82000000 says Unknown command 'source' [11:14] "My batteries does not seem to charge ..." [11:14] "With a voltmeter, check the voltage of pin 7 of the battery connector" [11:14] oh my [11:14] neure, ouch, your u-boot is to old i guess [11:14] neure, open the boot.scr file in vi on your desktop and type in the lines manually [11:16] ugh [11:16] "Your wifi dongle may not work. Try to plug it into another USB port an wait a minute: the LED should blink. If not, please reinstall your OS" [11:16] hrw: display is broken, dss2 patch was merged only after 2.6.34, cherry-picking now... [11:16] reinstall your OS, yah [11:16] Oh my. That:s not a good recommedation. [11:16] persia, the AI FAQ is full of that stuff [11:17] grab your voltmeter ... reinstall your OS [11:17] Right. Need to get those folk off email and in here and then everything should work [11:17] hahah [11:17] There seems to be something loose in my bottom part [11:17] You might have a loose counterweight: you can easily re-glue it by un-mounting your bottom part [11:18] ogra, could you pastebin that http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/lucid/main/installer-armel/current/images/omap/netboot/omap/boot.scr somewhere for me? [11:18] i cant seem to see it properly in windows :/ [11:19] hmm i think i can read this somehow.. [11:20] fatload mmc 0:1 0x80000000 uImage [11:20] fatload mmc 0:1 0x82000000 uInitrd [11:20] setenv bootargs vram=12M omapfb.mode=dvi:1280x720MR-16@60 [11:20] bootm 0x80000000 0x82000000 [11:21] :/ [11:22] ogra_cmpc: what do you think about a feature in flash-kernel where it can flash to a different area in flash, so that if the new/test kernel is broken, I can stop uboot autobooting and point it to the alternate (old) address for a working kernel [11:22] amitk, planned for maverick already [11:23] * amitk ^5s ogra_cmpc [11:23] amitk, since we will provide preinstalled SD images its no prob to keep a uImage.bak in place in the vfat partition [11:23] amitk: Mind you, if you implement it first/faster, that's lovely :) [11:23] i still cant get keyboard work :/ [11:23] we wont use NAND in maverick (since most OMAP4 devicdes we'll suppport dont have NAND) [11:24] Rather, we won't use NAND for any images, or by default. No reason we can't have support there. [11:24] * amitk better figure out why mmc isn't working in the 2.6.34 kernel then :) [11:24] In fact, that makes it significantly easier to do other stuff later. [11:24] we wont use NAND at all in flash-kernel with the new images [11:26] neurre: are you connected via your usb-hub to the ehci port of beagle? [11:30] if netinstall fails, what is the next best option [11:30] SD install [11:30] url? [11:32] neure: what reason for the failure? [11:32] amitk, when i boot the netinstall image on my C2 beagle, usb does not seem to work [11:32] usb works when i boot to ångström [11:33] this is powered usb hub on miniusb [11:33] so im stuck at the language selection screen in the beginnin [11:35] amitk, any suggestions? [11:35] neure: Do you want GTK, Qt, or server? [11:35] neurre: is your keyboard connected via your usb-hub to the ehci port of beagle? [11:35] persia, i just want X [11:35] amitk, usb-hub [11:35] powered usb hub [11:35] neure: where is the usb hub connected? [11:35] neure: OK. For SD install, we have two images that have X, one with GTK and one with Qt. [11:35] to the ehci port or the smaller otg port? [11:36] amitk, the smaller usb connector on the board [11:36] smaller one [11:36] the normal looking usb port has nothing in it [11:36] neure: that is broken ATM, see bug list [11:36] amitk, so, what should i do? [11:37] neure: if you can fix it, I'll take patches. Otherwise, you'll have to wait while we fix that bug. [11:37] persia, which one has less space wasted?) [11:37] can i use preinstalled images? [11:37] neure: They're about the same size: you can look at manifests at http://releases.ubuntu.com/lucid/ or http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-netbook/ports/releases/lucid/release/ [11:37] i hate those huge borders in ångström enlightenment [11:38] neure, you should use the netinstall image but using the OTG port wont work, use a powered hub on the big USB port [11:38] persia, i was talking about wasted screen pixels :) [11:38] There are no preinstalled images available. [11:38] ah [11:38] ogra_cmpc: the B2 boards don't have the ehci port populated, I believe. So he is out of luck [11:38] so if i'd use usb hub on normal usb, it'd work? [11:38] I think the Qt interface scales better, but it requires 2D accelleration to be acceptable. The GTK interface breaks down at less than 1024x600, but works with no accel [11:38] i have C2 [11:38] not B2 [11:38] neure, and a proper power supply on the board itself since the C2/3 have HW issuess otherwise [11:39] i have proper power supply [11:39] ok [11:39] then just plug your powered hub into the big USB port and it should just work [11:39] the OTG port is not supported in the lucid kernel as amitk said above [11:40] The port is entirely unsupported, or it fails to work in one or the other mode? [11:41] entirely unsupported with that kernel version [11:41] Ugh. That's awkward. [11:45] i had to take one usb hub from my computer [11:45] i had two in a chain [11:45] ok, I will not fight with ogra or amitk but OTG works in lucid 10.04 kernel on C3 BB [11:45] this usb hub is bigger than the beagleboard itself :D [11:45] it's HUGE [11:45] hrw: Maybe different chip revs? [11:46] great, now that i moved usb serial thing to new usb port.. it's now COM6 :D [11:46] neure: my desktop has 7 serials out-of-box [11:46] hrw: Are you sure you run the ubuntu kernel? CONFIG_USB_MUSB_OTG is disabled on it... [11:47] hrw, my "desktop" is macbook running windows xp with.. 2 usb ports :D [11:48] now, i did not get that error [11:48] lets see if keyboard will work .. [11:48] yes [11:48] \o/ [11:49] amitk: fun... I could swear that I installed on otg [11:49] hrw: switch in Angstrom kernel, do install :-D [11:49] netinstall proceeds :) [11:50] lunch-time [11:50] XorA: I have ubuntu installed [11:50] XorA: 0.22uF capacitor hack helps [11:50] amitk: smacznego [11:51] hrw: my usb died completely, but I have Lucid on my omap4430 [11:51] hrw: thanks! [11:51] which is the worlds hugest board [11:51] XorA: is that the OMAP4 SDP? [11:52] amitk: yes === amitk is now known as amitk-afk [11:52] amitk: took my rootstocked image and used custom kernel [11:52] erm [11:53] it doesnt detect my network :/ [11:53] i get a redscreen during netinstall coz my network is not detected :/ [11:55] :( [11:56] might be that we are missing some drivers here [11:56]