[07:43] <pitti> Riddell: add packages as a SRU> usually we don't, that's more like a case for backports?
[10:00] <Riddell> pitti: the suggestion from calc is we add ttf-liberation to kubuntu-desktop
[10:01] <kiwinote> hi mpt
[10:01] <kiwinote> do you have some time now, or would you prefer later today?
[10:01] <mpt> kiwinote, now's good
[10:01] <kiwinote> ok
[10:01] <mpt> Actually, 20 minutes
[10:01] <kiwinote> ok, sound good
[10:12] <mpt> kiwinote, ok, ready now. Would you prefer IRC or phone?
[10:15] <kiwinote> back
[10:15] <kiwinote> whichever, irc perhaps?
[10:15] <mpt> sure
[10:16] <kiwinote> so wrt the list i sent you last week or so, are there any things that you do/don't want to see this cycle?
[10:19] <kiwinote> i have had a look through the list, and the first few things i would like to do are gdebi, apturl (if not already done), monitoring pkgcache.bin (refreshes) and then add-ons
[10:20] <mpt> kiwinote, I think that would be an excellent priority list
[10:24] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[10:27] <kiwinote> mpt: are windicators and removing status bars things that s-c will do this cycle, or do we let other apps experiment this cycle and perhaps let s-c follow in the next cycles?
[10:29] <mpt> kiwinote, the bottom bar in USC isn't really a status bar. See the 4.0 mockup for how we're going to add +/– buttons to it, for example. I don't think there's any way windicators would be helpful to USC.
[10:29] <Keybuk> indicating that a download is in progress?
[10:29] <Keybuk> indicating that updates are available?
[10:29] <mpt> The "In Progress" item already shows that a download is in progress
[10:30] <mpt> If it turns out to be a good idea to show updates in USC, we'll add a left-pane item for that too
[10:31] <Keybuk> it doesn't sound like you're riding the windicator band wagon to me
[10:32]  * mpt searches for something to throw at Keybuk 
[10:33] <mpt> I'm writing the specification for windicators, so if they're a bandwagon, I'm the horse.
[10:33]  * popey volunteers Keybuk for mucking out duties
[10:34] <lifeless> mpt: uhm, ewww. :P
[10:34]  * vish feels the windicators will just be allowing applications which abused the notification area to  abuse the windicators multifold! ;p
[10:35] <kiwinote> mpt: did you have anything else you wanted to discuss at this stage? the implementation details can probably best wait until i actually start.
[10:36] <mpt> kiwinote, did you say you were going to start June 21st?
[10:36] <kiwinote> yeah, that's when my exams are over..
[10:37] <mpt> hm, ok
[10:37] <mpt> Going until when?
[10:37] <kiwinote> half september or so
[10:38] <kiwinote> so that's kind of starting and finishing a month later than the official dates
[10:39] <mpt> yeah, I'm wondering if that's going to be an issue at all
[10:40] <lifeless> vish: I'm quite excited by the idea of a tasteful structured way to go things like offline mode consistently
[10:40] <mpt> kiwinote, I'll discuss that with people who know more about it than I do
[10:40] <vish> lifeless: i'm kinda glad mpt is the horse :p [we'll have some sanity there :)]
[10:40] <kiwinote> mpt: from what i understand the official dates are based on the us summer holidays, rather than the european ones
[10:41] <kiwinote> mpt: but there are many european students who participate, so i presume it isn't too much of a problem
[10:41] <mpt> ok
[10:42] <vish> lifeless: for offline modes though , it is already consistent. the lower left corner's are where it is displayed. but windicators might lead to consistency for all statuses
[10:43] <kiwinote> mpt: wrt the modified release schedule it means i'll have to keep a close eye on the various freezes, but that should be doable, and elsewise some of the later stuff i do just lands in m+1
[10:43] <mpt> right
[10:45] <lifeless> vish: huh? not for chrome, for instance
[10:46] <huats> morning
[10:46] <vish> lifeless: ah , chrome!  :)
[10:47] <kiwinote> mpt: then I think that's all for now unless you have anything else
[10:47] <kiwinote> looking forward to it!
[10:47] <mpt> great, thanks kiwinote
[10:47] <kiwinote> bye
[11:05] <fagan> pitti: you have a minute to look at http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/438744/
[11:05] <fagan> its for maverick
[11:07] <fagan> hmmmm since it seems to be x complaining maybe I should ask on #ubuntu-x
[11:12] <chrisccoulson> fagan - those errors are nearly always a client error, rather than a server error
[11:12] <chrisccoulson> in your case, it's due to csd being switched on in gtk last week ;)
[11:12] <fagan> ah ok chris
[11:13] <fagan> I just had to switch to vlc for the moment :)
[11:13] <fagan> I just thought id bring it up to see if it wasnt known
[11:14] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i think that's already known
[11:14] <chrisccoulson> client side decorations seems to break quite a few things currently
[11:15] <czajkowski> kenvandine: any idea why gwibber is acting up again and using 98% of cpu
[11:16] <fagan> chrisccoulson: but boy do they look pretty
[11:16] <chrisccoulson> heh, i'm not running maverick yet, so i don't know ;)
[11:16] <fagan> chrisccoulson: well rgba isnt turned on yet, on my machine anyway
[11:17] <chrisccoulson> i thought that was turned on by default now as well
[11:18] <fagan> chrisccoulson: hmmm well all im getting is rgba window borders
[11:18] <fagan> and thats only for non focused windows
[11:24] <qense> Could anyone here accept <https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/dx-m-app-indicator> for the maverick series? It's only proposed at the moment, but it seems like an important Blueprint, and we're missing it now from the burn-down charts.
[11:25] <fagan> qense: im sure its on someone's todo list
[11:26] <chrisccoulson> qense, i think the person who needs to do that (dbarth) has a public holiday today
[11:26] <qense> chrisccoulson: Probably
[11:27] <chrisccoulson> there is a noticeable lack of french speaking people in here today ;)
[11:28] <fagan> chrisccoulson: yeah I noticed that. :)
[11:28] <qense> You don't miss the Dutch? ;) We're having a bank holiday as well.
[11:28] <qense> Doesn't half Europe has a day of today?
[11:28] <fagan> qense: not Ireland anyway
[11:28]  * fagan has a college test at 2
[11:28] <chrisccoulson> quite possibly. and then the UK has one next week :)
[11:28] <qense> The UK always wants to do things slightly different,
[11:29] <chrisccoulson> heh
[11:29] <fagan> qense: did you just put Ireland in with the UK?
[11:29] <qense> fagan: This is the second week of the final exams for the secondary schools, and they don't have a free day today as well.
[11:29] <fagan> ;)
[11:29] <qense> fagan: No, although sometimes you're more British than you want to admit. :)
[11:30] <fagan> qense: or maybe they are more Irish than they would like to admit :)
[11:30] <czajkowski> qense: oi oi :p
[11:30] <czajkowski> we have the June bank holiday, rarely mid month
[11:31] <qense> Maybe I misused the phrase bank holiday.
[11:31] <qense> Google Translate for the rescue!
[11:31] <qense> nah, sounds like today can be called a bank holiday
[11:32] <czajkowski> fagan: try and not miss your exam will you!
[11:32] <fagan> czajkowski: its taken care of
[11:34] <qense> fagan: I'll give a scream at 14.00 CEST in case you'll be here still.
[11:34] <fagan> qense: my computer will still be on so ill still be here ish
[11:34] <fagan> but I just wont be looking at the computer
[11:35] <fagan> :)
[11:35] <qense> fagan: Good luck with your exams already.
[11:35] <fagan> qense: thanks this is the last one :D
[11:35] <fagan> thank god
[11:35] <qense> yay! Salvation
[11:39] <fta> hi, could someone please have a look at this bug? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/584287
[11:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 584287 in metacity (Ubuntu) "Unexpected X error (BadDrawable) causing metacity to abort in maverick (affects: 4) (dups: 1) (heat: 30)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[11:44] <fta> chrisccoulson, kenvandine: ^^ ?
[11:44] <fta> and also https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/584536
[11:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 584536 in evolution (Ubuntu) "evolution crashed with SIGSEGV in em_format_snoop_type() (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[11:45] <chrisccoulson> fta - the metacity issue will be due to the gtk upload last week
[11:46] <fagan> fta: I already asked about it :)
[11:46] <fta> chrisccoulson, i have a lot of issues because of that, incl flash crashing, is there a fix somewhere?
[11:46] <fagan> but evo worked
[11:47] <fta> fagan, evo is semi-broken, a tenth of the emails i open make it crash
[11:47] <fagan> fta: are the buttons in evo looking weird too?
[11:48] <fagan> fta: it seems to be opening emails fine for me
[11:49] <fta> fagan, yes, it's https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/582839
[11:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 582839 in evolution (Ubuntu) ""no junk" icon and buttons too big in 2.30.1.2 (affects: 3) (heat: 18)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[11:55] <fta> chrisccoulson, http://paste.ubuntu.com/438769/
[11:56] <fta> chrisccoulson, that's maverick only, so i assume it's the same reason as for metacity
[12:01] <fta> rhythmbox is broken too. oh my..
[12:02] <fta> looks like a gstreamer issue
[12:08] <fagan> fta: in what way is rhythmbox broken
[12:08] <fagan> its working fine and playing for me
[12:15] <fta> fagan, it doesn't play, and if i seek into a song, it freezes. when interrupted, gdb shows http://paste.ubuntu.com/438776/
[12:16] <fagan> fta: wow thats a complicated looking error. My one plays fine though so I cant confirm the problem
[12:18] <fta> slomo, ^^ is that something you recognize?
[12:18] <chrisccoulson> fta - i thought there was a way to disable csd, which might help some of your issues, but i can't figure out how
[12:18] <chrisccoulson> the rhythmbox issue looks like a recursive locking issue though
[12:19] <chrisccoulson> and those are quite difficult to debug :(
[12:19] <fta> slomo, btw, thanks for the libvpx updates, i'm auto-syncing/backporting it from the gst ppa to the chromium ppa now.
[12:20] <fta> chrisccoulson, csd? what is that?
[12:21] <chrisccoulson> fta - client-side decorations
[12:21] <slomo> fta: hm?
[12:22] <slomo> fta: i don't use rhythmbox and never saw that failure
[12:22] <fta> slomo, it's a new regression coming with maverick
[12:22] <fta> one of them ;)
[12:22] <slomo> fta: which update caused it? :)
[12:23] <slomo> fta: what type of file are you playing, etc
[12:23] <fta> slomo, i upgraded my lucid desktop to maverick ~36h ago, so it's tough to say which of the 500MB did that
[12:24] <fta> slomo, mp3, flac
[12:24] <slomo> fta: only audio?
[12:25] <fta> slomo, yes (some id3 too)
[12:25] <slomo> fta: which gstreamer packages were updated?
[12:25] <fta> but there's no error in the console, it just sits there doing nothing
[12:25] <slomo> yes, classic deadlock
[12:26] <fta> 0.10.29-4
[12:26] <fagan> slomo: but im on maverick and its working fine
[12:26] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/438789/
[12:26] <fagan> I havent tried flac though
[12:26] <slomo> fagan: do you use rhythmbox's crossfade feature?
[12:27] <fagan> slomo: I dont have it turned on
[12:27] <slomo> fagan: do it and test again please
[12:27] <slomo> fta: so the only difference to lucid is gst-plugins-ugly but that doesn't have anything to do with flac
[12:28] <fta> fagan, i'm usually seeing less bugs than anyone else, but here, i'm the winner, i got them all, 6 crashers + 5 other regressions in one day
[12:28] <slomo> fta: and in lucid it worked?
[12:28] <fta> slomo, crossfade: yes, lucid: yes, same conf
[12:28] <fagan> cross fade on no crash
[12:28] <fagan> weird
[12:29] <fta> fagan, it's not a crash, it's just "not playing"
[12:29] <fagan> fta: its working here
[12:29] <fagan> with all updates installed
[12:29] <fta> could be pulse-audio..
[12:29] <slomo> fta: good luck then :) was rb updated?
[12:29] <slomo> fta: no, can't be PA... that's a bug in gstreamer related code somewhere
[12:29] <fagan> slomo: RB is still the same version as lucid from what I remember
[12:30] <fta> slomo, nope, it's 0.12.8-0ubuntu4 (from lucid-proposed)
[12:31] <slomo> fta: oh, idea... try killing pulseaudio (pulseaudio -k) and restarting it again (pulseaudio -D)
[12:31] <slomo> fta: does it work then? :)
[12:33] <fta> slomo, \o/
[12:34] <fta> slomo, how come it helped?
[12:34] <slomo> fta: ok, pulseaudio bug (or below)... i have a very similar problem, happens most of the time after suspend
[12:35] <slomo> for some reason PA blocks sometimes
[12:35] <fta> slomo, i never suspend, it's a desktop
[12:35] <slomo> ok, well, different bug but same symptoms :)
[12:36] <fta> cool, thanks. bug--
[12:59] <fta> pitti, hi, no -dbgsym for maverick yet?
[13:52] <ccheney> hi
[14:29] <kenvandine> good morning rickspencer3
[14:29] <rickspencer3> hey kenvandine
[14:42] <rickspencer3> tremolux, good morning
[14:42] <tremolux> rickspencer3: 'morning Rick
[14:42] <rickspencer3> tremolux, I need to create the "buy something" blueprint, right?
[14:43] <tremolux> rickspencer3: yes, we don't have it yet
[14:43] <rickspencer3> ok, I'll take care of that shortly
[14:43] <rickspencer3> I guess there are a lot of folks on Holiday today?
[14:43] <tremolux> rickspencer3: ok, thanks!
[14:44] <tremolux> rickspencer3: oh yeah, looks that way
[14:44] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it's been fairly quiet in here today ;)
[14:49] <Laney> slackers!
[15:24] <qense> kenvandine: re the Mono bindings for the Sound Menu: I'm not sure how much experience you have got with GAPI and such, but if you need any help with generating the bindings: I have  _some_ experience with Mono bindings from my work on bug fixes for AppInd. I'm no expert, but if you need a bit of help, you can always ask me. (I hope I haven't insulted you knowledge with this ;) )
[15:24] <kenvandine> qense, i might need it :)
[15:25] <kenvandine> i have messed with it a bit in the past
[15:25] <kenvandine> but don't know much about handling things that need custom tweaks
[15:26] <qense> kenvandine: OK
[15:27] <rickspencer3> tremolux, https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-maverick-buy-something
[15:27] <rickspencer3> tremolux, *all* the work items are targeted for A2 now, which I think is wrong'
[15:27] <rickspencer3> could you please sort out the ones that are in scope for A2?
[15:27] <tremolux> rickspencer3: yep
[15:28] <kenvandine> qense, thx!
[15:28] <qense> yw
[15:32] <tremolux> rickspencer3: I'll make a pass at a2 targets, but I expect mvo will want to weigh in when he is back
[15:32] <rickspencer3> tremolux, ack
[15:32] <tremolux> rickspencer3: cool  :)
[15:47] <tremolux> rickspencer3: ok, I made an a2 cut at https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-maverick-buy-something
[15:47] <tremolux> rickspencer3: looks like we need to change the Series Goal to "maverick" and Milestone Target to "none"
[15:47] <tremolux> rickspencer3: (won't let me change those)
[15:48] <rickspencer3> tremolux, weird, when I said to propose for a series, it put it in Lucid :/
[15:48] <rickspencer3> tremolux, should the milestone target not be A2, since we are targetting work items there?
[15:48] <tremolux> rickspencer3: oh, I don't know I guess; I was basing that statement on my other blueprints (which are at None)
[15:49] <rickspencer3> ok, I'll look them all over later and see how it's working
[15:50]  * desrt wins the game
[15:51] <desrt> (first/only person forgetting to attach the expenses when sending expenses to marianna)
[15:52] <rickspencer3> tremolux, so our new goal is to get together at the distro sprint and make "Buy Something" work end to end
[15:52] <tremolux> rickspencer3: yeah, I don't *think* that plays into the burndown charts so it's prolly fine
[15:53] <tremolux> rickspencer3: cool  :)
[15:53] <rickspencer3> tremolux, don't know if the "for the sprint" goal changes your approach to which work items to do when
[15:55] <tremolux> rickspencer3: yeah, it sure seems like we will want to put everything for alpha-2
[15:55] <tremolux> rickspencer3: except for optimization-type things
[15:55] <rickspencer3> tremolux, well, we'll all be together at the end of A3
[15:55] <rickspencer3> so maybe some integration stuff might go in A3?
[15:56] <fta> bratsche, hi, could the client-side decoration patch in gtk be the cause of the regressions in maverick?? like bug 584287, bug 584959
[15:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 584287 in metacity (Ubuntu) "Unexpected X error (BadDrawable) causing metacity to abort in maverick (affects: 4) (dups: 1) (heat: 30)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/584287
[15:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 584959 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) "flashplugin crashes in chromium with RGBA enabled (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/584959
[16:13] <bratsche> fta: Could be.
[16:15] <bratsche> fta: I'll make an updated patch this week to expose a killswitch for that feature.  Then it should be easier to determine.
[16:16] <pitti> Riddell: ah, you mean add a dependency, not add a new package; that sounds better, if there's a clear justification; NB that this will land on Kubuntu 10.04.1, so you'll need some extra space?
[16:16] <pitti> fta: argh, silly me; enabling now
[16:17] <pitti> fta: erm, *phew*, no, it's running
[16:17] <pitti> fta: seems I disabled it a couple of days ago due to some problem with the kernel, reenabled now
[16:18] <Riddell> pitti: right
[16:18] <pitti> fta: I also fetch the ddebs from the last 7 days to catch up
[16:32] <fta> pitti, thanks, will spare me some time (i had to rebuild a few packages in the last few days just to add some -dbg in order to debug some new crashes in maverick).
[17:29] <fta> bratsche, dropping debian/patches/064_client_side_decoration.patch from gtk fixes both issues (metacity and flash in chromium)
[17:35] <bratsche> fta: Yeah, but we don't want to drop that.. we want to fix it. :)
[17:37] <fta> bratsche, sure, but it means the culprit has been cornered and both bugs could be merged (and probably others)
[17:38] <bratsche> fta: The metacity one is probably easy to fix.  The Chromium one probably less easy.
[17:40] <bratsche> fta: Do you have time to test something with metacity?
[17:40] <fta> bratsche, yes
[17:41] <bratsche> fta: Could you try patching it and change src/ui/ui.c so that it does gdk_screen_get_system_colormap() instead of gdk_screen_get_default_colormap()?
[17:41] <fta> bratsche, ok, will do
[17:41] <bratsche> Thanks
[18:26] <rickspencer3> tremolux, kenvandine, etc... I'm stepping away for a couple of hours, back at 1pm Seattle time
[18:26] <rickspencer3> (fyi)
[18:27] <tremolux> rickspencer3: k, see ya later
[18:35] <fta> bratsche, it worked
[18:36] <bratsche> woot!
[18:36] <bratsche> fta: Can you attach the patch to that bug?
[18:36] <fta> sure
[18:36] <bratsche> fta: Chromium is going to be harder to deal with.  I'll have to look at that next week unless I can get someone at Google to look at it sooner.
[18:37] <fta> bratsche, the upstream guy usually working on that is on vacation
[18:37] <bratsche> Yeah I know.
[18:39] <bratsche> There's another Chromium dev who works on Linux, but I can't remember who it is.  Evan is the only one I know.
[18:41] <fta> bratsche, most probably piman_
[18:42] <bratsche> Yeah, I dunno.
[18:45] <fta> done btw
[18:46] <fta> i can attach a debdiff if you want (but i can't upload to main)
[19:08] <azteech> I am currently using 9.10. To get there, I have been doing periodic net-based dist upgrades ever since 7.10. Now I feel I need to unclutter, clean up the system, and upgrade to 10.04 (LTS). While I know that we can copy the hidden profiles for Thunderbird and Firefox to back them up for use in 10.04, is this wise since the versions used in 9.10 differ from that used with 10.04?
[19:10] <azteech> to move to 10.04 (LTS), I will be doing a clean install ... or should I stick with dist-upgrade?
[19:18]  * ccheney bbl, headed to austin
[19:22] <jcastro> kenvandine: is the app indicator patch for tomboy crashing on you?
[19:23] <kenvandine> jcastro, nope
[19:30] <jcastro> kenvandine: ok I was chatting with him
[19:31] <kenvandine> with sandy?
[19:31] <jcastro> kenvandine: can you file a bug on the latest patch upstream?
[19:31] <jcastro> yeah
[19:31] <kenvandine> sure
[19:31] <kenvandine> well, got a link to the old bug?
[19:31] <jcastro> he'd like to start reviewing it
[19:31] <kenvandine> great
[19:31] <jcastro> no, I don't, only the lp one
[19:31] <kenvandine> ok
[19:31] <kenvandine> was there a bug?
[19:31] <jcastro> we didn't do one upstream because we decided not to ship it
[19:32] <jcastro> kenvandine: I am thinking we should finish this off, make sure it's upstreamable, and then deal with the pins for unity when we get there
[19:34] <kenvandine> ok
[20:45] <czajkowski> kenvandine: you free for a gwibber question?
[20:46] <kenvandine> czajkowski, sure
[20:47] <czajkowski> kenvandine: gwibber is at 98% cpu for the last 2 days for no reason http://paste.ubuntu.com/439023/
[20:47] <kenvandine> humm
[20:48] <czajkowski> I last did updates yesterday
[20:48] <kenvandine> is gwibber-service running?
[20:48] <czajkowski> I displayed all my searches like http://pix.ie/czajkowski/1691216 which also didnt seem to help
[20:48] <czajkowski> kenvandine: yes
[20:49] <czajkowski> saying 0% CPU
[20:49] <kenvandine> so it is the frontend using so much CPU?
[20:50] <czajkowski> aye.
[20:50] <kenvandine> that's a new one :)
[20:50] <kenvandine> humm
[20:51] <czajkowski> go me!
[20:51] <kenvandine> czajkowski, what happens if you close those search streams?
[20:52] <czajkowski> first I closed the streams and left the searches running, that seemed to help
[20:52] <czajkowski> so I think it's more the display of streams then the searches. as I display the searches in the streams
[20:56] <kenvandine> yeah, close the searches
[20:56] <kenvandine> lets see what difference that makes
[20:58] <czajkowski> kenvandine: gwiber service at 44 now
[20:59] <kenvandine> that might go down a bit
[20:59] <kenvandine> what about the client?
[20:59] <czajkowski> gwibber at 5
[21:00] <kenvandine> ok
[21:00] <kenvandine> interesting
[21:01] <czajkowski> right they are all down to 0 now
[21:02] <kenvandine> czajkowski, how many searches did you have?
[21:03] <czajkowski> oss/floss/Ubuntu/locoteams/ossbc/gnome
[21:06] <kenvandine> ok, so now that things are sane again
[21:06] <kenvandine> add them back and see if it goes nuts again
[21:06]  * kenvandine added a bunch and not seeing a load
[21:06] <czajkowski> okie dokie
[21:07] <kenvandine> thx
[21:08] <czajkowski> beam.smp jumpst to 86
[21:08] <czajkowski> and gwibber jumps to 68
[21:10] <czajkowski> settles back around 12-15
[21:13] <czajkowski> and now they are up at 102 and 96. :(
[22:52] <fta> bratsche, the c-s-d patch in gtk also breaks acroread in the partner's repo
[23:54] <RAOF> Morning all.
[23:59] <rickspencer3> RAOF, good morning