| Lexxz | hi | 00:32 |
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| Lexxz | how do i change file names from console? | 00:32 |
| Lexxz | in Linux | 00:32 |
| blue_anna | can anyone clue me in on /usr/share/X11/locale? | 01:25 |
| blue_anna | normally if I wanted to define a dead key I would do it in the Compose page for the locale, but spanish for example doesn't have a locale defined here, instead using teh default. If I wanted to flesh out spanish with my own custom locale so I could manipulate the dead keys, what would I need to build in that directory? | 03:04 |
| blistov | Anyone know how to boot lucid alternate from usb? alternate REALLY wants a cdrom. Posted solutions for other variants doesn't work. | 04:24 |
| ScottK | blistov: I know people have had success using usb-creator-kde from Lucid with at least the server CD (which is the same installer as the alternate CD). | 04:30 |
| blistov | ScottK, any idea if the alternate cd is going get fixed in the future? | 04:33 |
| ScottK | I don't think it's the alternate CD that's broken. | 04:33 |
| blistov | It boots from USB, but refuses to read the install media from the boot media (unless the boot media happens to be a cdrom ). | 04:35 |
| blistov | Every other distribution of Linux (including Ubuntu) is able to correctly read install media from ... any physical media. | 04:36 |
| blistov | This is a huge problem for server installations. | 04:37 |
| blistov | I'm not sure our company even owns a server with a cdroom. | 04:37 |
| johanbr | blistov, try unetbootin maybe? | 04:40 |
| blistov | johanbr, Thats what I'm using. | 04:43 |
| blistov | Again, I can boot the image, but the installer doesn't even give you ann option to install from any media other than a cd. | 04:43 |
| johanbr | so you didn't try usb-creator? | 04:43 |
| blistov | no. | 04:45 |
| blistov | trying now, but I can't imaging its going to make changes to the actual installer... | 04:45 |
| johanbr | then I would recommend that, that's the official method for putting images on usb media | 04:46 |
| ScottK | blistov: I helped someone with this exact problem a few days about and usb-creator-kde worked for them. | 04:59 |
| blistov | ScottK, and johanbr, That did it. | 05:09 |
| blistov | Thanks a tonne guys. | 05:09 |
| ScottK | blistov: Please go complain to unetbootin about not working for this situation. | 05:09 |
| johanbr | you're welcome | 05:09 |
| ScottK | Yes, you're welcome. | 05:09 |
| blistov | :) | 05:13 |
| imbrandon | yes usb creator works for server installs , its how i do all the server installs that arent PXE here | 05:41 |
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| Chipzz | blistov: you are wrong, period | 06:15 |
| Chipzz | I have installed alternate/server over the network, using pxe | 06:15 |
| Chipzz | no offence, but if it doesn't work, that's because you are doing sth wrong, not because sth is broken | 06:15 |
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| SpamapS | ugh.. us.archive.ubuntu.com seems to be made up of hosts with an allergy to Los Angeles.. 512kbit? Really? :-( | 07:15 |
| * SpamapS hopes University of Oregon is happy w/ his mirroring. ;) | 07:15 | |
| lifeless | SpamapS: us.a.u.c is london | 07:23 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: but you should be able to get more than 512kbit out of them | 07:23 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: also #ubuntu-mirror for mirror stuff | 07:24 |
| lifeless | sorry, -mirrors | 07:24 |
| SpamapS | Ugh I'm in something like 12 ubuntu- channels already.. how many must I join? ;-) | 07:26 |
| * SpamapS takes his bleary eyed sleep-needing whining where it belongs.. to bed. ;) | 07:26 | |
| lifeless | no, you don't have to join; was just letting you know | 07:26 |
| SpamapS | thats cool I may actually ask about it in there | 07:26 |
| pitti | kees: well, that's the plan, but it's apparently not that easy to do, and so we disable the script in lucid for now to prevent more damage; Chase was going to change it into an example script which you can copy to /etc/ | 07:44 |
| SpamapS | pitti: whoa.. I don't know if thats wrong window or major lag.. but.. what script are you referring to? | 07:45 |
| zyga | hello | 08:05 |
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| alkisg | When does the debian synching occur for Maverick? E.g. when will udhcp be imported from sid? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udhcp/+bug/566845 | 10:40 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 566845 in udhcp (Ubuntu) "Please update udhcp from debian" [Undecided,New] | 10:40 |
| cjwatson | alkisg: syncing is already happening | 10:42 |
| cjwatson | alkisg: that bug is equivalent to "cjwatson needs to get round to merging busybox | 10:42 |
| cjwatson | " | 10:42 |
| alkisg | Ah, got it :) | 10:42 |
| alkisg | Heh | 10:42 |
| alkisg | Thank you, I'll just check periodically then. | 10:42 |
| tseliot | cjwatson: as regards LP: #580763 what version shall I use for the package in maverick? | 11:49 |
| cjwatson | tseliot: up to you, as long as it's distinct and greater | 11:51 |
| gnomefreak | is libc6-i686 needed or is it in the libc6 package? | 11:51 |
| cjwatson | tseliot: if you want to use -0ubuntu1 for maverick and -0ubuntu1~10.04 or something for lucid-proposed, that's fine too | 11:51 |
| gnomefreak | ^^ 10.10 | 11:51 |
| cjwatson | gnomefreak: no longer needed and in fact no longer existing | 11:51 |
| gnomefreak | cjwatson: thanks | 11:51 |
| cjwatson | we're moving to i686 across the board | 11:52 |
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| tseliot | cjwatson: ah, ok I'll use ~10.04, thanks | 11:52 |
| tseliot | cjwatson: I think you'll have to reject my last upload before I can do that though | 11:53 |
| cjwatson | tseliot: not actually true, but I can do it anyway | 11:53 |
| cjwatson | (done) | 11:53 |
| tseliot | cjwatson: thanks | 11:53 |
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| blue_anna | in Lucid, Compose sequences can only consist of two characters, and may only output one character. This makes them exactly equivalent to dead keys. but many useful example ~/.XCompose files online make use of 3 combining characters (in vitro w/ 2) or output multiple keys (digraphs) | 12:30 |
| blue_anna | how can I get that functionality ? | 12:30 |
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| Pretto | any testdrive devel here? | 13:13 |
| * hyperair wonders what to make of all sabdfl's mails having a bad signature | 13:13 | |
| sabdfl | que? | 13:14 |
| hyperair | well, so says enigmail anyway =p | 13:14 |
| * xnox loves sabdfl's french =) | 13:14 | |
| hyperair | gpg: Signature made Monday 24,May,2010 08:02:57 PM SGT using DSA key ID D54F0847 | 13:14 |
| hyperair | gpg: BAD signature from "Mark Shuttleworth <mark@ubuntu.com>" | 13:14 |
| sabdfl | hmm | 13:15 |
| hyperair | =p | 13:15 |
| sabdfl | could be a MIME / T-bird thing. which mail? | 13:15 |
| hyperair | the one you just sent on ayatana around 13 minutes ago | 13:15 |
| hyperair | but yeah, it could be | 13:15 |
| hyperair | i think enigmail has some issues with html mail | 13:16 |
| blue_anna | and - why does compose-c-c give me a č - everywhere in gnome apps but no where in qt apps? its not defined in my system's compose files: http://pastebin.org/274106 | 13:27 |
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| blue_anna | and - why does compose-c-c give me a č - everywhere in gnome apps but no where in qt apps? its not defined in my system's compose files: http://pastebin.org/274106 | 14:22 |
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| G | kirkland: ping, do you happen to be around atm? | 15:08 |
| kirkland | g: yes | 15:08 |
| G | kirkland: have you had a chance to look at LP#571093 (libvirtd eating memory over time) the last couple of days? | 15:09 |
| G | kirkland: I think I might be able to supply a rough patch to prevent it (trying to build it now) | 15:10 |
| kirkland | g: we know that it exists, and there are a handful of upstream memory leak changes in upstream libvirt git | 15:10 |
| kirkland | g: i haven't had a changes to zero in on it yet | 15:10 |
| kirkland | g: if you have a patch, i'd love to see it, will help get it sponsored | 15:10 |
| G | kirkland: AFAIK upstream havn't changed this function in 0.8, I'm trying to prevent it by making sure we free the memory if we are returning non 0 | 15:11 |
| G | (or any of the related functions for that matter) | 15:12 |
| kirkland | g: oh? | 15:12 |
| G | kirkland: I think this is a new bug due to udev rules in Debian/Ubuntu, I couldn't reproduce it under Fedora, but the udev rules there are totally different | 15:13 |
| kirkland | g: oh, interesting, thanks for narrowing that down | 15:14 |
| blue_anna | in Lucid, Compose sequences can only consist of two characters, and may only output one character. This makes them exactly equivalent to dead keys. but many useful example ~/.XCompose files online make use of 3 combining characters (in vitro w/ 2) or output multiple keys (digraphs) | 15:14 |
| G | kirkland: I'm Nigel Jones in the bug btw | 15:15 |
| blue_anna | how do I get that functionality | 15:15 |
| G | hmmmm great, certainly reduces the effect of the leak | 15:15 |
| kirkland | g: thanks | 15:15 |
| kirkland | g: but does not prevent it? | 15:15 |
| G | kirkland: valgrind showed two major leaks | 15:15 |
| G | I'll take a look at the second now | 15:15 |
| G | I wonder if it's leaving a device entry around somewhere | 15:16 |
| G | it's only about 8k RES during a multipath -F/multipath -v4 though so it has reduced | 15:17 |
| cjwatson | blue_anna: it would seem nobody here knows. Perhaps you should try mailing the ubuntu-x list? | 15:18 |
| kirkland | g: gotcha | 15:18 |
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| blue_anna | cjwatson: thanks, I guess I'll try that too | 15:19 |
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| G | kirkland: okay, I think I got rid of the second memory leak, I'll attach the patch to the launchpad with my explanation for the second fix too | 15:36 |
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| kirkland | g: thanks | 15:45 |
| G | kirkland: just posted my patch | 15:47 |
| * kirkland checks | 15:48 | |
| G | kirkland: RES memory use appears to be stable now except for the odd increase/decrease but it no longer corresponds to when I run multipath | 15:49 |
| kirkland | g: patch looks perfectly reasonable to me | 15:50 |
| kirkland | g: could you take the to-do of sending this patch to the upstream list, while I work on getting the SRU together? | 15:51 |
| G | kirkland: sure | 15:51 |
| G | if I can remember my RHBZ password that is :P | 15:52 |
| kirkland | g: post the libvir list | 15:54 |
| G | oh okay, even better :) | 15:54 |
| G | I guess they'll want it in git format iirc? | 15:55 |
| kirkland | jdstrand: around? | 15:56 |
| kirkland | jdstrand: G just posted a simple patch that purportedly fixes https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/multipath-tools/+bug/571093 | 15:56 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 571093 in multipath-tools (Ubuntu) "multipath + libvirtd eats away more memory over time" [Medium,Triaged] | 15:56 |
| kirkland | jdstrand: i'm just verifying that, and will upload a package to lucid-proposed | 15:57 |
| kirkland | jdstrand: just wanted to give you a chance for feedback first ;-) | 15:57 |
| kirkland | g: can you give me a few specific instructions on reproducing the leak? | 16:07 |
| G | kirkland: okay, well the easiest way I found was that w/ multipath having no configuration multipath -F followed by multipath -v4 would generate the required udev add/change/remove calls | 16:09 |
| G | kirkland: an examplehttp://paste.ubuntu.com/438911/ | 16:13 |
| pitti | SpamapS: I was replying to kees, not to you | 16:15 |
| G | kirkland: any method of triggering the add/remove udev calls should reproduce the issue btw | 16:18 |
| kirkland | g: cool, i'm on it | 16:19 |
| kirkland | g: hmm, I'm running this, without seeing a leak: | 16:25 |
| kirkland | for i in $(seq 1 10000); do sudo multipath -v4 >/dev/null; sudo multipath -F >/dev/null; free; done | 16:25 |
| G | kirkland: do you see anything in udevadm monitor? | 16:26 |
| kirkland | g: hmm, no | 16:27 |
| G | kirkland: oh, I found running 'top -p (pidof libvirtd)' was the best way of keeping track of it | 16:27 |
| kirkland | g: yeah, nothing, yet | 16:30 |
| kirkland | g: no events in the monitor | 16:30 |
| G | kirkland: what ouput do you get from 'multipath -F; multipath -v4' | 16:30 |
| G | *output | 16:30 |
| SpamapS | pitti: I understand you weren't talking directly to me. I was just curious what sort of script was doing damage. | 16:36 |
| pitti | SpamapS: the pm-utils-powersave-policy one for spining down SATA drives | 16:36 |
| SpamapS | pitti: interesting | 16:37 |
| kirkland | g: http://paste.ubuntu.com/438920/ | 16:38 |
| G | kirkland: hmmm, the only thing different is 'mapp already present' | 16:41 |
| G | kirkland: if you do multipathd -k and at the prompt run 'show config' it's empty? | 16:42 |
| kirkland | g: correct | 16:42 |
| G | the only thing I can think of is at first, I had an issue where udev was in a weird state | 16:43 |
| G | (when I was first reproducing it) | 16:43 |
| G | I could reproduce it, then udev would act up and stop producing the add/remove calls | 16:44 |
| G | ah ha | 16:45 |
| G | kirkland: yeah, thats the issue | 16:45 |
| G | kirkland: got an entry in /dev/mapper by any chance? | 16:46 |
| G | for your HD that is | 16:46 |
| kirkland | g: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/438923/ | 16:46 |
| G | kirkland: bingo, I think we may have struck on a race condition in multipath? :P | 16:47 |
| kirkland | g: hrm, interesting ... | 16:48 |
| G | because I managed to get to the same point with 'while true; do sudo multipath -F; sudo multipath -v4; done; | 16:48 |
| G | kirkland: tbh, when I got to that point I just rebooted | 16:48 |
| G | and reproduced with: top -p (pid of libvirtd) in one terminal, and manually running 'multipath -F; multipath -v4' in another terminal and watching RES going up | 16:49 |
| kirkland | g: i'm running your while true, no leak | 16:49 |
| kirkland | 1047 root 20 0 188m 7192 2960 S 0 0.2 0:00.37 libvirtd | 16:49 |
| kirkland | g: i'm pegged there | 16:49 |
| kirkland | g: 7192 constant | 16:49 |
| G | kirkland: if that map already present message is still there, I'd expect it to peg there | 16:50 |
| kirkland | g: so how do I try to re-trigger the race? reboot and let udev redect my hard disk? | 16:52 |
| G | kirkland: I'm just trying to work out what multipath is looking for regarding that issue | 16:52 |
| G | kirkland: ah ha! | 17:01 |
| G | kirkland: without a reboot: dmsetup ls, if it's there with (252, 0) do a 'dmsetup remove <string>' | 17:01 |
| G | kirkland: that fixed my multipath | 17:02 |
| G | so it's actually a dmsetup/multipath race | 17:02 |
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| kirkland | g: hmm, okay, so this is a bit outside my expertise | 17:10 |
| kirkland | g: what's dmsetup remove going to do? | 17:10 |
| G | kirkland: remove the map that multipath created but couldn't remove, if like me, the HDD is mounted traditionally (like /dev/sda1 etc) then it won't effect mounted partitions | 17:11 |
| G | dmsetup = device mapper, and just creates fancy references, mainly used for multipath & LVM | 17:11 |
| kirkland | g: i'm mounted by UUID | 17:11 |
| G | kirkland: yeah, UUIDs won't be effected | 17:11 |
| kirkland | g: and after I do this, I'll reproduce the leak? | 17:12 |
| G | yep should do, but do it slowly with just: multipath -F; multipath -v4 | 17:12 |
| G | and wait a sec before doing it again | 17:12 |
| G | I think the problme with the do while loops is it tries to flush before the map is created | 17:13 |
| kirkland | g: okay, now i have activity in udev admin | 17:14 |
| kirkland | g: and yeah, now i see a memory leak | 17:14 |
| G | good and the RES memory usage should be going up for libvirt | 17:14 |
| kirkland | g: correct | 17:14 |
| G | kirkland: great :) | 17:15 |
| kirkland | g: okay, so I've reproduced this; can you post an update to the bug with your race condition analysis? | 17:15 |
| G | with the patch the starting RES should be lower than without (because it's fixed for startup) and then also it shouldn't go up during normal usage | 17:15 |
| G | kirkland: actually, the race condition is seperate, it's really a new bug | 17:15 |
| G | which I'll create | 17:16 |
| kirkland | g: i see your post to the libvir list, thanks ;-) | 17:16 |
| G | kirkland: was just waiting till I was certain that you'd be able to reproduce the issue :) | 17:17 |
| kirkland | g: heh, okay, i just need to document how to reproduce it for the SRU | 17:17 |
| G | kirkland: no problem | 17:18 |
| ScottK | doko_: Did you plan on uploading your last Ubuntu twisted fix to Debian so we can sync it? I see some builds failing for lack of an update and a sync would be nicer than a merge.... | 17:26 |
| G | kirkland: btw, for the race condition: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/multipath-tools/+bug/585027 | 17:27 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 585027 in multipath-tools (Ubuntu) "Race condition with dmsetup causes 'map already present' messages" [Undecided,New] | 17:27 |
| G | kirkland: anything else I need to do, or can I just leave it with you? | 17:27 |
| kirkland | g: just one sec, review my update | 17:28 |
| G | kirkland: sure, let me know when it's up | 17:28 |
| kirkland | g: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/438949/ | 17:30 |
| G | kirkland: for IMPACT: I'd remove the system loses a udev race on boot bit | 17:32 |
| G | the race condition that we experienced just impacted our ability to hit the bug | 17:32 |
| G | the impact is really any system w/ libvirtd running while udev add calls are occuring | 17:32 |
| G | kirkland: to avoid the race condition in the while true loop, maybe add a sleep 1 or something like that to let udev/dmsetup/multipath to settle | 17:33 |
| kirkland | g: okay | 17:33 |
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| G | kirkland: but yeah, that sounds about right | 17:34 |
| G | (I'd put the sleep 1 bit after multipath -v4 | 17:35 |
| kirkland | g: thanks, uploaded to lucid-proposed | 17:37 |
| G | kirkland: cool, thanks for looking at it, I think I might look at some of the libvirt bugs sometime too, that one just got me really interested though :) | 17:42 |
| kirkland | g: cheers, thank you; *great* job tracking it down | 17:42 |
| kirkland | g: the libvirt bugs could certainly use a hug from someone with an interest in fixing some of them ;-) | 17:42 |
| G | kirkland: yeah | 17:43 |
| G | kirkland: must say, valgrind was the biggest help | 17:44 |
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| G | kirkland: well, have a good day! :) | 17:46 |
| G | kirkland: oh I guess I should also forward this to the debian.org BTS so they can apply the patch there as well | 17:48 |
| kirkland | g: that would be good, yeah | 17:48 |
| G | kirkland: if you want, I can do that in the morning | 17:48 |
| kirkland | g: nice, you got an ack on the upstream patch too, great | 17:48 |
| G | oh, haven't seen that yet | 17:48 |
| G | kirkland: oh thats great news | 17:49 |
| mpagano_ | Does ubuntu have a web front end to commits? | 17:51 |
| blue_anna | I've mostly got my compose issue worked out now | 17:53 |
| blue_anna | the main thing that's got me confused is gnome-terminal and firefox don't accept many-key compose sequences, and won't output more than one character -- it only works for definitions that are like deadkeys | 17:54 |
| blue_anna | everything else, xterm, opera, kde apps .. they all work with like for example compose+b+t+w = "btw" | 17:54 |
| blue_anna | or "by the way" I was being quick :) | 17:54 |
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| blue_anna | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ComposeKey - I was following this guide | 17:56 |
| ion | Hit compose, release it and then hit the rest. | 17:58 |
| blue_anna | both ways, it works or it doesnt. like compose+t, m works. so does compose, t, m | 17:58 |
| blue_anna | but compose, b, t, w does not -- unless I'm using anything other than gtk | 17:58 |
| blue_anna | I have explicitly set GTK_IM_MODULE like it says to in the guide | 18:00 |
| blue_anna | ion: not sure what's up with it | 18:00 |
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| blue_anna | ion: you still here? | 18:23 |
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| blue_anna | the gtk people tell me that xim is not the preferred im because it is buggy. I am getting one of those bugs with my particular set up. what is the suggested lucid alternative to xim for custom compose keys ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ComposeKey -- this says xim but like I said that's known not to work | 19:36 |
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| blue_anna | do you know how to get Xcompose working with ibus? there are some unanswered posts on ubuntuforums about that but no solutions | 19:50 |
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| persia | blue_anna: I believe ibus is the recommendation | 20:50 |
| blue_anna | persia: yeah I heard that now, thanks | 20:52 |
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| rascal999 | sudo service statd start -- fails with Warning: Fake initctl called, doing nothing. Any ideas? | 22:59 |
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