=== joerg is now known as Guest92691 [07:35] highvoltage: ping [14:41] Hi, seems to be something overriding my .profile when using LTSP in Lucid.. I've created 2 users norsk and nynorsk and set export LANG="nb_NO.UTF-8" for norsk and export LANG="nn_NO.UTF-8" for the nynorsk user. [14:42] When logging in as norsk via ltsp the locale confirms nb_NO [14:42] But nynorsk defaults to en_US in ltsp [14:43] When I log in directly on LTSP server, the locale is nn_NO [14:44] Where do the locale setting get overridden? [15:22] hi [15:23] anyone hwere know anything about the initrd.lz file in the LiveCD? [15:28] sbalneav, hey..... [15:49] vmlintu, hi...have you got a clean ubuntu server somewhere? [15:51] joerg: hi.. I can get a new virtual machine running.. [15:52] vmlintu, I am currently trying to write a quick installation guide for the early moves... [15:52] that's why I ask [15:54] need help testing the guide? [16:01] vmlintu, yes, that would be great... [16:01] vmlintu, http://myserv-project.org/install [16:02] vmlintu, that should take care of everything....except the configuration [16:03] but if that just works on a fresh ubuntu box without any errors, they'd only have to edit settings.py and will be done... [16:04] ok, I'll try that a bit later, I'm just finishing off other things [16:05] hey there vmlintu [16:06] highvoltage: hi [16:08] vmlintu: I was wondering, did you manage to bring any of the ldap stuff up with the server team during the UDS? [16:09] highvoltage: no.. there was some discussion about it on ubuntu-server mailing list, but it died off quickly and I couldn't find anything about it later.. [16:09] vmlintu: ok [16:10] highvoltage: the sources for the user management side are now on github: http://github.com/opinsys/puavo-users [16:11] oh cool [16:12] you can manage multiple ldap databases + kerberos realms with a single server installation [16:12] It uses subdomains to know which one you want to connect to [16:13] it would be great if that could make it into ubuntu even though it's not used for anything by default yet [16:14] packaging it would mean first packaging <10 gems that are not in ubuntu or need updates [16:15] for the ultimate experience you can try setting up openldap+mit kerberos with 30 ldap databases and kerberos realms with a single command: http://github.com/opinsys/puavo-tools [16:15] vmlintu, isn't there something like virtualenv in python? [16:15] what is virtualenv? [16:15] a way to install packages in a virtual environment [16:15] e.g. myserv has heaps of dependencies as well... [16:16] but I will simply include them in the package [16:16] the whole thing will be an isolated python environment.... [16:16] if I understand debian policy correctly, libraries should not be included.. [16:16] so I wonder why you can't simply put all your ruby dependencies in your package [16:17] hmm, I don't know what kind of libraries you use.... [16:17] you can put the dependencies easily in the package, but I doubt it would make it in the repos.. [16:17] ...but for my project there is a lot of reusable code snippsets [16:17] sometimes only available via git or so [16:18] sounds the same as the gems in ruby.. [16:18] well, I have nobody to package ten or so small python snippets... [16:19] django_friends, django_oembed, django_openid, django_notification and so on [16:20] and then you sometimes need a certain revision/version.... [16:20] I simply cannot take care of that. [16:20] there will be a batteries included version which simply depends on python and the needed C lib and that's it... [16:20] and those python libs that are available in ubuntu as packages.... [16:21] e.g. django [16:21] but not these 200 lines code snippets [16:21] apart from that: moodle for example use the yale CAS php libs [16:22] so if it is really that strict.... [16:22] somebody should repackage moodle [16:22] remove CAS.php and put that in a php5-cas package :) [16:23] vmlintu: yep, you're right [16:24] we'll probably have time for packaging sometime during the summer when schools are out [16:52] vmlintu, do you think it is too early to post on the mailing list and provide people with access to the demo server? [16:53] I am not that experienced in building communities around projects [16:54] but I really need an active community and contributors to run and maintain it in the long run [16:58] joerg: I'm probably not the right person to give advice on that [16:59] but you have seen it [17:05] I haven't gone through the code yet, but better documentation would probably help getting people interested.. I have now hard time understanding what could be done with the project and how could I benefit from it [17:08] read the specs :P [17:08] what kind of docs do you expect? [17:08] how you can add a comment on a profile? how you can upload and share files? [17:08] how you can lock and unlock PCs? [17:09] what a RSS feed is? [17:10] it is quite self explanatory [17:12] hard to say.. now the specs tell a vision, but the current status is something else [17:13] vmlintu, not really [17:14] but I don't know django, so I don't understand all the things in there.. [17:14] none of the teachers here ever heard about django [17:14] django is just a python framework [17:15] thiink of it as being python [17:15] you don't even need to know what python is [17:15] its a webalized framework [17:16] are you focusing teachers with www.myserv-project.org? [17:17] you just need to know: there is a new portal server for schools through which you can publish news, message each other, share files and folders with friends/classes/groups, pay for stuff like printing, as a teacher book a room, allow or deny internet access on certain machines, black and white list internet sites in the proxy.... [17:18] vmlintu, who else should I focus? [17:18] bus drivers? :o) [17:18] a portal server for schools usually has teachers and students in focus, yes :P [17:18] and those who are interested in technical stuff can read the technical specs. [17:18] talking about schooltool? [17:19] the teachers probably gonna simply have a look at the demo. [17:19] because they are not really interested what technologies/languages are used.... [17:19] they just want to get work done... [17:19] nubae, no. [17:19] myserv [17:19] my upcoming project :) [17:19] aha, never heard of it [17:19] shall take a look [17:20] it won't hurt :) [17:20] hehe, i hope not [17:20] or i'll come find u [17:20] ;-) [17:21] if I wanted to contribute to it, what could/should I do? [17:21] nubae, the web site is very technical as vmlintu correctly noticed :P but as teachers don't want to read anything either I am just showing them the demo [17:22] vmlintu, report bugs ;) test it.... criticize it... [17:22] implement a feature.... [17:22] finding out how it cooperates with your puavo-users stuff [17:23] welll I?m a dev so good thing for me I guess [17:23] I don't know django, but it says I can write modules in any language - how do I write a module using brainfuck? [17:23] vmlintu, probably brainfuck + cgi? :P [17:23] apart from that you should really have a look at django. you will love it :P [17:23] how do I get the module working with myserv? [17:24] I had a look at it and chose ruby on rails [17:24] vmlintu, follow the opensocial specs at opensocial.org :) [17:25] that would be one way, but the gadgets/opensocial is not yet completely implemented.... [17:25] your module could then be added as a small gadget on the user's welcome page or a group administrator could for example add it as a tab in the group profile..... [17:26] joerg....I've loooked into many many school apps [17:26] you have all the answers, but maybe you could make a tutorial-like example how to get started developing on it? [17:26] can u tell me why this is say better than schooltool/moodle/mahara [17:27] or is this somethign that can work alongside those apps [17:27] (would be better for me) [17:27] nobody wants to replace moodle [17:27] if you want moodle, use it. myserv will be happy to integrate it into it's navigation and provide a single sign on system [17:27] well, that would be like an impossile/stupid feat [17:28] so you'd only have to log in to myserv and could use your moodle [17:28] without authenticating again. [17:28] ok good [17:28] and if you want to use roundcube, install it. [17:28] I am not trying to replace existing good things. [17:28] I am just trying to build a portal around them. [17:30] if it integrates moodle, how do I do it? [17:30] so is it more like CLaSS student system? [17:30] I don't know what CLaSS is [17:30] nubae, did you get my private msg? then log in and see how it looks like.... [17:31] vmlintu, you install moodle, configure it to authenticate against ldap + cas and that's it. [17:31] well its what some schools have been using (particularly british ones) for student/classrooom management [17:31] yes I did [17:31] I'm lookking [17:31] but difficult to get an overview so quickly [17:31] vmlintu, you could add a link in the menu as well, and maybe load moodle in an iframe....or a new window. [17:32] joerg: how do I know what to do if I stumble on the page? [17:32] nubae, well, imagine myserv like an internal "facebook" for a school [17:32] thats why I'm wondering what its MOST like? class= http://laex.org/class/ [17:32] mahara [17:33] do u know it? [17:33] its touted as being the social networking tool to fit in with moodle [17:34] I am just looking at it... [17:35] Mahara is an open source e-portfolio system with a flexible display framework. Mahara, meaning 'think' or 'thought' in Te Reo Māori, is user centred environment with a permissions framework that enables different views of an e-portfolio to be easily managed. Mahara also features a weblog, resume builder and social networking system, connecting users and creating online learner communities. [17:35] I'd imagine its something like that? [17:35] you don't have to copy the website for me [17:35] but thx :D [17:35] was just the description of what it was [17:35] didn't want to hassle u with having to wade through the whole thing :-) [17:35] well, does mahara act as a single sign on system? [17:35] sorry was just trying to be helpful [17:36] oh yes [17:36] what sso system? [17:36] and more, it shares all data with moodle [17:37] whichever u set it up with could be openid [17:37] as provider? [17:38] nubae, what if I am logged into mahara and want to access my webmail? [17:39] you have to login again, right? [17:39] because mahara is only openid consumer [17:39] and the mail client / imap server is not openid capable [17:39] u could... it uses rmlpc(SP?) for sharing data [17:39] shit... forgot the proper name [17:40] hehe [17:40] anyway.....can a teacher book a room using mahara? [17:41] http://wiki.mahara.org/System_Administrator's_Guide/Moodle//Mahara_Integration [17:41] that tells moe about moodle and single sign on and mahara system [17:41] that sounds more like a school tool kind of thing [17:42] but I couldnt honestly tell u [17:42] that sounds like mahara is only working with moodle [17:42] and not with squirrelmail [17:42] its more like a social networking tool (e-portfolio) than anything else [17:42] or roundcube, or xyz [17:42] or foobar integrated library system/opac [17:42] whatsoever [17:42] joerg: these are the things you should write on your website - why it rocks [17:42] it is VERY integrated wtih moodle yes [17:43] almost like a plugin [17:43] vmlintu, I will :) [17:43] nubae, yeah, but what I'm trying is to provide an open interface to everything. [17:43] just look for CAS or even openid.... [17:43] If u dont mind, I wil do a write up about your app on my site (nubae.com) [17:43] when I hear portal I think of yahoo [17:44] there is a write up there about mahara and moodle [17:44] worth taking a look [17:44] I just read it [17:44] it tells me that it is only focused on that particular product [17:44] oh... the write up on nubae.com? [17:44] 99 of 100 schools here don't need moodle [17:45] haha, and we have 150 schools here which we are supporting [17:45] hmm... that is a VERY srtong comment [17:45] nobody ever asked for a moodle setup :) [17:45] about 40% or Britiish schools use it [17:45] oh [17:46] well teachers here dont want it [17:46] because it is more work [17:46] where would that be? [17:46] and has no benefit... [17:46] I would strongly argue against that [17:46] they dont want to login there, assign tasks and things like that [17:46] they tell them in class what the homework is [17:46] they won't turn on a computer for it [17:47] but I've been involved with moodle for 5 years and know it like the back of my hand so am somewhat biased [17:47] I can only tell you how it is here [17:47] at these 140 german schools [17:47] they say: "nice, but we don't need it, it won't improve the quality of the lessons" [17:47] funny... because the largest moodle setup I know of is in Austria [17:47] I lived there for many years [17:48] Ich wurde wirchlich nicht saggen dass man Moodle nich braucht... [17:48] I only tell you how it is here [17:48] in northern germany [17:48] which is 800km from the austrian border [17:49] austria is a technology playground [17:49] they have mobile broadband everywhere, they are rich and small [17:49] and have almost no social problems.....like we have in the suburbs of berlin etc. [17:49] ok... I believe u... but as u are seemingly against moodle... does that mean that your product was not built with it in mind? [17:50] sorry for the harsh questions, but I must ask them [17:50] if I am to write an unbiased report [17:51] nubae, Do you know of any OpenSource language programs that would do what Rosetta Stone does? [17:52] an open interface to everything doesnt tell me much... its like saying, I'm building a website that will do everything... I would prefer a description of what your site actually does, who its for, why it was created (what joolted it on - there is always something/someone) that forces that) [17:53] ColonelPanik, in what sense? [17:54] joerg... I do love the interface though... its simple [17:54] obvious [17:54] and teachers would feel at home right away [17:54] but I'm still struggling with what it actually does [17:55] for me... a facebook for moodle is totaly mahjara, and i think u would agree, so u need another description [17:55] General computer aided language acquisition. Something to learn English, Spanish, etc. [17:56] but like apps for the desktop? [17:56] or for development work? [17:57] Schools, students go to the language lab, use computer to learn a language? [17:57] ColonelPanik, I am quite involved with Sugar.... [17:58] I know it has some great language tools... [17:58] http://www.rosettastone.com [17:58] then there is gcompris [17:58] italso has some great tools inside [17:59] I've heard of roseta stone and probaby used t, but need to refresh my memory [17:59] let me take a look [18:00] Thanks nubae, my wife teaches ESL at the university level and Rosetta Stone is very expensive [18:00] yeah that I know :-) I see it on all the torrent sites because of that [18:01] google should have some tools for that purpose [18:02] chrome has the amazing ability to translate really well any website into another language [18:02] to the degree it almost reads like it was written in that language [18:02] you should check to see if google hasnt developed someting great [18:05] ColonelPanik, u know rosettta stone works with wine right? [18:05] but she wants to be legal? [18:06] http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-10409371-264.html - google edges to rosetta stone status [18:06] have a read of that [18:07] its what I thought might be the case [18:10] joerg, did I upset u with any of my comments? that was truly not my intention [18:11] For sure we will be legal. And OPEN SOURCE [18:11] I would like to write a piece on your software, it might boost your user based considerably [18:12] nubae, Do not translation need a program to learn a language. [18:12] ColonelPanik, http://www.linux.com/archive/feed/54605 [18:13] that link should be a good starting point [18:14] yes, but I think google is working on something like that... it would need some digging.... but it mst be out there.... they've invested a hell of a lot into translation and language tools [18:14] nubae, Thank you. Thats what I am talking about. [18:14] I'd be surprised if there wasn't a tool they created to learn languages [18:15] no probs... [18:27] hmm [18:27] nubae, sorry dinner :P [18:27] nothing against you [18:28] oh... bon apetit then [18:28] we can talk later [18:29] I am back :P [18:29] I wasn't upset [18:29] I was having dinner [18:29] anyway: I can just tell you what I already said: 140 of 140 clients did not ask us for moodle [18:30] and if there are people in austria who LOVE it [18:30] and cannot live without it [18:30] I don't care. [18:30] woot! RC for Qimo 2 is out: http://www.quinncoincorporated.org/qimo-2.0-desktop-rc1.iso.torrent [18:30] I am not paid for making solutions for austrians :) [18:30] mhall119: did you compress that initramfs? [18:31] I found out I needed to extract the gzipped version made by update-initramfs, and compress it with lzma instead [18:31] also, I left the gzipped version in /boot, which it seems I didn't need to do [18:31] nubae, the strength of myserv is or will be, that it integrates everything - as far as I know schooltool like solutions, they follow the "the teacher is god" concept [18:32] nubae, or the admin is god. [18:32] between that, and removing some stuff from /var/cache/man/cat, I was able to get it down to 699.4 MB [18:37] joerg, ok, well, I will analyse all the options and do a write about it explaining that it is menat to be a school product that ties into existing school products already in use in those schools [18:37] dioes that sound about right? [18:38] has it been translated into many languages? [18:38] lol [18:38] the project was born on 26th of january :P [18:38] what do you expect? [18:38] just questions [18:38] what you can see is a small demo of revision 159 of the code [18:38] I willmention that too [18:38] there's nothing ready for production [18:39] ah ok, when will it be production ready? [18:39] nubae, anyway.....as far as I can see, mahara is only a social network [18:39] ie...when do u expect a release? [18:39] it only focuses on one product [18:39] and does not provide open interfaces and technologies [18:39] its extremely good at what it does [18:39] so it is quite different [18:39] that might be [18:40] being an e-portfolio [18:40] a personalised area for students and teachers using moodle [18:40] yes, but I am just telling you why it is absolutely not suitable for us. [18:40] oh I didnt think it was, I was just trying to get a feel for a similar product [18:41] and I am not against moodle [18:41] and thought from your first description it migjt be mahara [18:41] I just say: MY clients dont ask me for moodle [18:41] but I guess its not [18:41] so I am not focused on it [18:41] have u looked at class? [18:41] even though myserv can integrate it [18:42] that might be more like what myserv is like [18:42] nope [18:42] absolutely not [18:42] as far as I can see, you can manage marks and stuff with it. [18:43] ok, I'll treat it as a new product that has no known competitors [18:43] hmm [18:43] iserv is one :P [18:43] ok.... that helps [18:44] but that won't help you unless you are quite fluent in german [18:44] if i can show how myserv is superior, it will make a better story [18:44] I am [18:44] nubae, the thing is: e.g. mahara is a quite isolated environment [18:44] hab in österreich eine ganze weile gelebt [18:44] is there a way to integrate it into ldap? [18:44] for the users/groups? [18:45] absolutely [18:45] oh, ok, then I didn't really find it qhile quickly scanning the docs. [18:45] joerg, is there a beta available for your myserv? What can it do already? [18:45] anyway....I don't know all that stuff in detail [18:45] thats its strength it shares absolutely all its data with moodle via rml-rpc [18:46] yes, but please understand that I do not concern it as a strength [18:46] for us [18:46] I am not going to compare it to mahara if u say the 2 products are differet [18:47] if none of your customers wants to use microsoft windows, it doesn't help you if you have the best windows integrating software ever [18:47] I would prefer to compare to a real competito like ierv [18:47] iserv [18:47] well...it is inspired by iserv. [18:47] because these guys have a monopoly here [18:47] ok I shalll mention that too [18:48] you shouldn't write anything anywhere before there is a more or less working beta :P [18:48] is the idea for myserv to be international? [18:48] ok, fine [18:48] the idea for myserv is at first sight: solve OUR problems [18:48] I'l give u my email private [18:48] we are just so nice that we don't sell it but share it with others as OSS [18:48] u write me when u think its ready for a review [18:49] well it already is :9 [18:49] but you have to use the demo [18:49] and click through it [18:49] as there is no documentation available at the moment saying: it rocks, because you can do A, B and C [18:49] I just can tell you in brief what it does: [18:50] it supports several auth backends (including ldap), it acts aus SSO provider for others like webmail and moodle, it provides social networking stuff (have friends, have a profile, found a group, make a group profile). [18:50] it provides file sharing capabilities, that's quite important for us. [18:51] the users have a web based (ajax) file manager to upload and manage their home directory [18:51] and they can add a so called share to their own profile and share it with their friends (r, rw) or everyboddy (r, rw) [18:51] and you can add a share to a group profile [18:51] if you are the group manager/founder. [18:52] so its like a moodle+mahara but inspired by iserv and for your particular userbase [18:52] e.g. a read only folder in your home that you as a teacher share with your students - which provides a homework task as pdfs etc. [18:52] northern germany [18:53] to me that sounds exactly like moodle+mahara [18:53] it is more like facebook + "share a folder with this group/my friends" [18:53] yep... thats mahara [18:53] hmm, maybe should get a demo account there then :) [18:54] but f u dont want me to, i wont even mention moodle or mahara [18:54] well, and apart from that: personalized start page with RSS feeds, notifications, gadgets (opensocial) [18:54] yeah u shoould [18:54] agaijn....mahara [18:54] hmm, ok [18:54] and well, the files stuff is accessible through webdav [18:54] even drag and drop interface [18:55] to move stuff around [18:55] drag and drop is nothing magical :P [18:55] it would probablyhelp with some ideas [18:55] i know [18:55] but teachers and studnets love it [18:55] hmm, ok.... [18:56] ok, and apart from that the intranet stuff [18:56] read through my write up and follow the instructions [18:56] block host foobar from internet access [18:56] allow internet access in room 123 [18:56] u'llthen get an idea of what it is and how it compare [18:57] block www.youtube.com for 30 minutes in room 312 [18:57] and maybe gives u some ideasm u can integrate [18:57] ok, thats original [18:57] dont think moodle ormahara do that [18:58] but another product does [18:58] :-) [19:00] but of course i forgot the name [19:01] its used extensively with ltsp [19:01] as the user manager [19:01] damn whats it called again... [19:02] its used to control terminals and other computers [19:02] but not windoze computers I guess [19:02] u can even share a single desktop with all the others [19:02] we just need to block proxy access / ip masquerading [19:02] yah windows too [19:03] hmm, the mahara thing looks good [19:04] first thing: how do I access my files or group files locally? [19:04] is there a way to mount it under linux? [19:04] and connect it as a drive in windows? [19:05] like I said, run through the doc I wrote [19:05] it'll give u an idea of everything possible [19:06] and yes, its done by a group of coders related to the moodle project [19:06] so it is not possible at present? [19:06] so its real high quality [19:07] I do not know [19:07] you wrote docs about it but you don't know? :) [19:07] I write a LOT of docs [19:07] hmm [19:07] I cant be expectd to remmeber every detail about every doc [19:08] for instance I wrote a large part of the ltsp manual [19:08] it doesnt mean I know everything about LTSP [19:08] far from it... [19:09] but it does integrate with webdav [19:09] mahara and moole [19:09] moodle [19:09] so in a way yes mounting windows is possible [19:09] I cannot find anything about how I can mount my "my files" as webdav. [19:10] welll, I'd help u look, but I'm sure google will help u faster [19:10] search webdav moodle [19:10] I am not looking at moodle [19:10] I am talking about mahara [19:10] if nothing comes up I'll give u 100 dollars [19:10] the my files part of mahara [19:11] a personal home directory [19:11] mahara ties into moodle 100 percent [19:11] so whatever is possible with moodle is possible with mahara [19:12] I dont see any moodle [19:12] look.... if u really want to see what it does and how it integrates, do what I said, follow the instructions on installing the 2 and integrating [19:12] it'll take u half an hour at most [19:12] u dont see any moodle what? [19:14] ok,found the other progrma Italc [19:14] I have a demo account at mahara.org [19:14] if u havent seen that, take a look [19:14] that is REALLY impressive [19:14] and does the lockdown stuff u were talking about with you tube [19:15] I know it [19:15] and it has absolutely nothing to do with proxy filters [19:15] I never mentioned and u never mentioned proxy filters [19:15] I said allowing and denying internet access [19:16] u said blocking youtube on a remte machine [19:16] which has to do with proxies and firewalls [19:16] and not with teachers playing big brother [19:16] heh... thats not what I would call I talc,but never mind [19:16] yes, that is proxy filtering / blacklisting of certain sites [19:16] because they contain P0RN or whatever :P [19:17] or the solution of the current task :) [19:17] for what u are mentioning dansguardian is the defalto standard [19:17] along with squid [19:17] ok and where's the web frontend? [19:17] why anyone else would use something different is beyong me [19:17] where the teacher can add a url? [19:17] therer are lots [19:17] I use webmin [19:17] or domain? to be blocked for the next 34 minutes? [19:18] and webmin does time based proxy filtering? [19:18] and dansguardian has a great little gui [19:18] dansguardian does [19:18] also there is ufw [19:19] which has a great gui [19:19] look im not attacking your product [19:19] think itlooks wonderfuk [19:19] wonderful [19:19] give me a link :P [19:20] but almost everything we can think of has already been done some place [19:20] for a web based gui [19:20] where a teacher can login with his ldap account [19:20] for what dansguardian? [19:20] actaully [19:20] and select: room 211 -> computer 1 -> block youtube for 23 minutes [19:20] i'll give u one better [19:20] hang on [19:20] we have dansguardian [19:20] cause we used this at guadalinex-edu [19:21] i used to work there [19:21] if it allows teachers to block things forever, forget it :) [19:21] we are not talking about cool web based firewall tools. [19:21] we are talking about a gui for very stupid people [19:22] How does the blocking work? The teacher has root access to all the client PCs and inserts some iptable rules? [19:22] who will block internet access on all machines [19:22] Or with squid and inetd? [19:22] and go away having forgotten about it [19:22] https://launchpad.net/webcontentcontrol [19:22] next person comes, nothing works. [19:22] eat your heart out [19:22] in our setup? [19:22] teachers logs in to myserv [19:22] selectes a room [19:22] selects some hosts [19:22] or all hosts. [19:23] tells the number of minutes [19:23] joerg check out that link [19:23] and install [19:23] and says "block" or "unblock" [19:23] Not the GUI, the backend, how does it work technically? [19:23] there is nothing better out there i guarantee it [19:24] alkisg, that depends....it only executes a command. [19:24] With root privileges? [19:24] I.e. does each teacher have root privileges to all PCs? [19:24] alkisg, what we are doing at the moment: add it to a text file with ips that are blocked by squidguard [19:24] and add an ip tables rule to block forwarding for that host [19:24] alkisg. http://demo.myserv-project.org [19:24] alkisg, the teacher logs into a web gui, the gateway/proxy. [19:25] Is there anything that prevents the clients from not using that proxy? [19:25] alkisg, and that web app has sudo rights on a script that blocks/allows [19:25] if you only use the proxy to block it... [19:25] ...you don't need sudo/root [19:25] alkisg, yes [19:26] you either use it or you don't have internet access [19:26] joerg did u check out webcontentcontrol? [19:26] unless you bring your own 3G device or so :) [19:26] joerg: so it won't work on all schools - only specially configured schools, right? [19:26] no, I cannot explain things to him and check out sth at the same time :P [19:26] alkisg, hmm? [19:27] if you want internet [19:27] I.e. I can't use my router as the gateway, I need to use a special server for a gateway [19:27] you need to have a gateway/proxy [19:27] which usually runs on linux [19:27] So in order to use your program in my school, I'd need a specially configured server, right? [19:27] yes sure.... [19:27] you need users/groups etc. [19:28] or find a way how the server can tell your router what to do :P [19:28] Can you block access by user? [19:28] Or only by PC? [19:28] E.g. will it work in ltsp environments, where all users are essentically on the server? [19:29] nubae, forget it :P [19:29] sorry to say it [19:29] but the interface is overkill [19:29] tinyproxy on? dansguardian on? [19:29] teachers will already give up here because they dont know what that is. [19:30] joerg, perhaps, but it does what u said, and way more [19:30] apart from that, it cannot manage multiple hosts/rooms/ips/mac adresses [19:30] seems to be for parents blocking certain stuff on a single machine [19:30] I'm just syaing... there is nothing out there that hasnt already been done [19:30] The only way I found to block internet access by user, was to use squid with inetd. [19:30] nubae, this is NOT doing what I said [19:30] if yours looks nicer and works simpler kudos [19:30] it is NOT web based [19:31] it does not authenticate me and check if I am a teacher [19:31] it does not show me rooms/hosts I have at my school [19:31] then search dansguardian and gui [19:31] u'll find lots [19:31] ubuntu christian editinon has it installed by default [19:32] lool [19:32] alkisg, inetd? [19:32] joerg: yes, it is used to tell squid which user is requesting the page [19:32] you mean identd? [19:32] Otherwise user-based filtering doesn't work [19:32] Yes, sorry [19:32] identd. [19:33] joerg, actually... guadalinex-edu just developed something like that, based on avahi... [19:33] if you trust your machines [19:33] wrks great [19:33] I'd use squid + ldap [19:33] and proxy auth [19:33] lets u control every room in a school and every app [19:33] does single sign on [19:33] joerg: so the students would have to authenticate to the proxy to access the internet? [19:33] yes [19:34] Can that be automated for younger students? [19:34] but dont think thye released it yet.... or maybe they did... it had a funny name [19:34] nubae, are you a teacher? [19:34] have you really dealt with everyday problems at a school for years? [19:34] joerg, anyway, would u like me to doa write up of your product or not [19:35] actually I am a teacher [19:35] though a dev too [19:35] you are serving me a new name of some "cool app" every 2 minutes here [19:35] and there's instead of mahara nothing that you could ever use in a school [19:35] joerg yes I have [19:35] because all of it is for ADMINs [19:35] and cannot be used by ppl without technical skills [19:36] I disagree, but hye [19:36] did you ever confront a teacher for latin and religion with webmin? [19:36] 40% off British schools use moodle [19:36] and many use mahara as a plugin [19:36] its the most widely used (by TEACHERS) app in the world [19:37] and how many percent of british teachers are able to configure dansguardian through one of your proposed guis? [19:37] and how many of them are able to use webmin? [19:37] sorry, but they call us and ask if we know where the enter key is :) [19:38] well, the ones I've trained have had no problems... but usually itis NOT a teacher that run webmin or dansguardian [19:38] or why they can't upload a 200mb file through their dialup [19:38] why would they? [19:38] because they are writing an exam in the room [19:38] and don't want that the students can access the web in the next 45 minutes [19:39] joerg, to be honest.. I'm much more interested in teaching with real simple tools to young kids (4-9) [19:39] I use sugar for that [19:39] yeah, I know it. [19:39] for the primary schools we don't need all that stuff [19:39] but for a 17 yo highschool teenie, things are different [19:39] well, thats what I'm currently really using.... and focusign on [19:40] yeah [19:40] or e.g. in my high school youtube.com is blocked [19:40] because they have a very slow dsl line [19:40] but I have a blog, and I do write ups on interesting school products [19:40] and if it is not blocked, the traffic is so much that other's cant really work anymore. [19:40] would u like me to write up something on myserv, yes or no? [19:41] but for certain projects, e.g. a video project, teachers want youtube. [19:41] I dont really want to waste any more time on this [19:41] so they should have a way to whitelist youtube for the particular room for e.g. 45 minutes [19:41] becuase if it is not timed, they will forget to lock it [19:41] and it will stay whitelisted forever [19:42] nubae, no [19:42] okm :-) [19:42] nubae, I don't think anybody who says that he doesn't want to "waste time" on my project could write anything objective about it. [19:42] you are just giving me names of software that you probably never really used. [19:43] to give me the feeling that I am so stupid and develop things that are already there. [19:43] what do you want to write if you don't even want to understand what it is about? [19:43] I didnt say that [19:44] and why all your webmin and technical admin stuff is not the solution for an arts teachers that wants to allow youtube for his video project [19:44] I said I dont want to waste any more time arguing about what we'vee been arguiing about [19:44] but thre are many projects out there [19:45] yes, and that means you don't want to waste time on understanding why I believe that this solution is new and unique. [19:45] so if u dont want attention on yours, and from what u've read, u'll see I'm always impartial, thats your perogative [19:45] I just don't want anybody to write about a project that he doesn't know in detail [19:46] write about sugar or whatever stuff you have experience with. [19:46] I told u I would study it and then do the write up [19:46] but u are far far too defensive... [19:46] so lets just leave it at that [19:47] your loss, not mine [19:47] lol [19:47] It would be MY time I would be usin [19:47] u'd have nothing to loose [19:48] I don't need negative publicity [19:48] u obviously thnink you've created gods masterpiece... I wish u all the best... [19:48] I am trying to explain you some points [19:48] and you simply send me links and names and so on [19:48] it wouldnt have been negative at all [19:48] telling me: why myserv? look at xyz [19:48] I stated several times I thouhgt it looked excellent [19:49] and I look at xyz and think: what the HELL has it to do with the things you just said? :) [19:49] the thing is: I am trying to explain you by example why we are not using solutions that are already there. [19:49] I am talking about differences and advantages. [19:50] and you say: but xyz can do this too....and that's mostly not the case. [19:50] how do you want to write an in-depth article about myserv? [19:50] e.g. if it comes to webdav access [19:50] mounting local drives [19:50] no actually, I dont anymore [19:50] you tell me how cool mahara is [19:51] please just stop talking now [19:51] but if I ask you: is it possible to mount it as drive....you don't know it. [19:51] yes, sorry.... [19:51] but either you give me a FAIR chance or you leave it. [19:52] but I am tired of looking at x, y and z and trying to explain you why it does not do what we need. [19:52] gosh I'm just gonna leave the channel for a while, this is getting ridiculous [19:52] lol [19:56] :( [19:56] maybe I should stop developing open source software [19:56] if the only feedback I get is that my work is senseless :( [20:02] alkisg, sorry [20:03] np, you guys really shouldn't be fighting for open source software. Anyway I gotta do some work, bbl. [20:03] no [20:03] but do you know how that feeling is? [20:03] you have a project, you believe in the ideas [20:04] and somebody is asking you what the advantages and concepts are [20:04] you explain an advantage, the other person says: abcd can do it as well. [20:04] you have a quick look at abcd's web page and it cannot do it. [20:05] I can better go and make proprietary stuff and make money with it [20:05] instead of doing idealistic stuff for people who don't they thank you or anything positive. [20:09] and no, I am NOT gonna announce it on the mailinglist anymore. [20:21] bye [22:50] When using LTSP, I want a client to execute a script that requires a name be set. I wanted to use the devices hostname, but when I use `hostname` in my script I get the servers hostname. How can I get the hostname from the client via script? [22:52] $LTSP_CLIENT_HOSTNAME [22:52] alkisg, thank you! [22:52] np [23:03] alkisg, can I set the client hostname via DHCP? [23:05] LedHed: In karmic+, yes [23:05] You can also set it from lts.conf [23:05] alkisg, I'm using Lucid, [23:06] How do I config ltsp clients to grab the hostname via DHCP? is it an option in lts.conf? [23:07] No, if you want to set it by dhcp, that's done from /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf [23:08] You can also set it from lts.conf, but that isn't dhcp anymore. It has the same effect, though [23:08] [ma:ca:dr:es:s] [23:08] HOSTNAME=xxx [23:08] For dhcpd.conf you'd need to google it, it's easy but I don't use dhcpd.conf so I can't have an example handy [23:08] alkisg, ok. I'm already setting the hostname via DHCP Reservation. [23:09] the clients just dont seem to be getting it. [23:09] Its a Windows DHCP server [23:09] Hmmm ok then do some debugging: [23:09] I will. Thanks for the help [23:09] replace "quiet splash" with "break=init" in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default [23:09] Then boot a client [23:10] You'll get a busybox shell [23:10] In that shell, type: cat /etc/net-eth0.conf [23:10] And see if it got the hostname. [23:10] ok, thanks. I would never have thought of doing that