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xelisterhi, the retty program seems to be missing?  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+package/retty  is it only in i386 but not on amd64 ??10:34
xelisterhttp://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/retty10:35
xelisterwtf why just i38610:35
xelisterok I see part of that tool is written in assembler, not compatible with 64 it seems10:38
xelisterhehe its a hack.. needs 386 assembler11:00
PrototypeX29Ahi13:02
PrototypeX29Asometimes i just don't get which the Bug invalidators for13:03
PrototypeX29Aask for13:03
PrototypeX29Ahttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/15651713:03
ubot2Launchpad bug 156517 in evolution (Ubuntu) "New mail doesn't filter anymore, restart doesn't work either" [Low,Invalid]13:03
PrototypeX29Ahere reporter are just shut up because they don't know what is left to add13:05
PrototypeX29Apedro_: you did it!13:09
PrototypeX29Ait is kind of frustrating reporting bugs which are getting closed with no real clue what is missing13:16
PrototypeX29Aeven with being a software developer myself13:16
PrototypeX29Ahow do i reopen a bug, just change status on 'new'?13:18
pedro_PrototypeX29A, pardon me?13:27
pedro_PrototypeX29A, which bug was closed by me ?13:27
PrototypeX29Ahttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/15651713:27
ubot2Launchpad bug 156517 in evolution (Ubuntu) "New mail doesn't filter anymore, restart doesn't work either" [Low,New]13:27
PrototypeX29Ai could figure out what the missing piece of information was13:28
pedro_PrototypeX29A, please open a new one, that's a really old bug13:28
PrototypeX29Acould not13:28
PrototypeX29Ayes, but it is still the same symptoms13:28
PrototypeX29Ait never was fixed13:29
pedro_PrototypeX29A, as said, please open a new one that was closed 2 years ago, the code might change there in Evolution13:29
pedro_PrototypeX29A, also please test it with the Maverick version of Evolution, lot of things changed in that new branch and it's totally worth to give it a try with that13:29
PrototypeX29Amay i just copy and paste the problem description?13:29
PrototypeX29Amaverick?13:30
pedro_provide a better one if you can actually...13:30
PrototypeX29Ai don't know how to write a better bug report13:30
PrototypeX29Aneither did the original poster13:30
PrototypeX29Ai guess13:30
pedro_you might find the guide at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html useful for doing that13:31
PrototypeX29Ai think i have read that13:31
PrototypeX29Awithout knowing what is the problem with the specific bug report, i cannot write a better one13:34
vishPrototypeX29A: you should have read the bug and the comments as well ;)  pedro_ has asked "Can you tell us a few steps in order to trigger the bug? thanks."13:36
PrototypeX29Ayes13:36
vishPrototypeX29A: there are no steps to reproduce hence is not easy to invistigate13:36
PrototypeX29Abut these few steps were already provided13:36
vishinvestigate*13:36
PrototypeX29Aso bugs which are not reliably reproducable will be closed?13:37
pedro_PrototypeX29A, the steps were not provided and people started to comment random things on that report too13:37
pedro_PrototypeX29A, you're welcome to open the bug upstream at bugzilla.gnome.org if you don't have or don't know how to reproduce the issue though13:38
vishPrototypeX29A: not really , the bug was experienced by only by a couple of users and then they didnt reply13:38
pedro_PrototypeX29A, the upstream developers might have a better clue on what's going on there.13:38
PrototypeX29Avish: i guess because they didn't know what to reply13:38
PrototypeX29Aas the bug is hard to reproduce13:39
vishPrototypeX29A: or they aernt affected anymore ;)13:39
vishPrototypeX29A: anyways , opening a new bug is better than re-opening an age old bug13:39
PrototypeX29Abecause they switched email clients13:39
PrototypeX29Avish: i am just afraid reporting a lot of random data just to get closed too13:39
vishPrototypeX29A: still no harm in reporting , new bugs cost you nothing ;p13:40
PrototypeX29Alaunchpad still costs me a lot of energy13:41
PrototypeX29Avish: it costs me a less more time than it costs you to set it to invalid13:43
PrototypeX29Awhen i try to report it it just urges me to check whether it is already reported13:45
vishPrototypeX29A: actually , a triager thinks a lot more , we spend more time trying to find ways to trigger the bug before closing.. we do really want to get the bugs fixed :)13:45
PrototypeX29Ai want to believe that :)13:45
PrototypeX29Awell i will open a new bug, even if there are already two bugs fitting my problem13:47
PrototypeX29Ahttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/58537513:51
ubot2Launchpad bug 585375 in evolution (Ubuntu) "Mail filters occasionally do not work (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New]13:51
PrototypeX29Aif i had a deterministic way to reproduce it, i would tell you13:53
PrototypeX29Aafter all i respect the work the triager does, but often the answers leave me with 'What am I supposed to do?' before i move on to antoher program13:57
vishPrototypeX29A: since you are experiencing the bug could you also report it upstream?  i'v posted a comment with link how to do that13:58
PrototypeX29Ai give it a try14:00
vishPrototypeX29A: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingEvolution  < this wiki will also be useful for debugging evolution bugs14:01
PrototypeX29Aerror messages from evolution always are kind of meaningless14:09
PrototypeX29Apedro_: i don't know how i do test with the maverick version14:18
PrototypeX29Awithout installing maverick14:19
pedro_PrototypeX29A, i'm afraid that's the only easy way to do that...14:19
micahgPrototypeX29A: virtualbox?14:20
micahgPrototypeX29A: testdrive14:21
PrototypeX29Ai was afraid you would say that14:21
PrototypeX29Aas the bug only happens occasionally i would have to use maverick for a productive system, that is not what i am willing todo14:23
micahgmaybe hggdh has another idea?14:23
PrototypeX29Apedro_: the idea is to see whether the bug already is fixed?14:24
pedro_PrototypeX29A, yes, evolution changed a lot during the 2.30 cycle, so would be worth to give it a try14:24
vishPrototypeX29A: what you can also do is , create a new partition and install maverick on the partition , while you can have karmic preserved just in case you need to get back14:24
pedro_you can set up a jhbuild environment for evolution as well, but that's a bit tricky14:25
PrototypeX29Avish: i encounter enough bugs with the 'stable' version, i am not gonna go for something 'testing'14:29
PrototypeX29Alinux makes me very anxious14:30
vishPrototypeX29A: well , you are sure missing out on all the fun ;p14:30
PrototypeX29Ai just want a stable system14:30
PrototypeX29Awithout paying money :)14:31
PrototypeX29Ai once had unstable gentoo, that really was fun14:31
hggdhPrototypeX29A: OK, what can I do to help you?14:47
PrototypeX29Ai don't think you can14:48
hggdhoh. I see.14:48
PrototypeX29Ai don't know why your name was dropped14:48
hggdhpedro_: good morning, and could you renew my bugcontrol?14:49
micahghggdh: PrototypeX29A has an evolution bug that's occasional, so I thought of you :)14:50
hggdhPrototypeX29A: oh, BTW, I am running Evolution git, and I do not have problems with filters14:50
hggdhmicahg: yes. But it seems I cannot help him/her14:51
pedro_hggdh, bom dia, yes one sec14:51
PrototypeX29Ai think a lot of people do not have the problem14:51
micahghggdh: is it possible to backport latest evo to Lucid?14:52
PrototypeX29Ai could name a lot of bugs, which most people don't seem to encounter14:52
PrototypeX29Abut i do, it is very annoying, sometimes i think i am insane14:52
vishmicahg: latest evo was too new a code and untested , hence wasnt used for lucid14:52
pedro_hggdh, renewed14:52
bcurtiswxpedro_, did you get my email back about -mentorship?14:52
hggdhlatest stable is 2.30, and there are at least 2 PPA offering it14:52
hggdhmicahg: ^14:53
pedro_bcurtiswx, yes, thank you for answering ;-)14:53
bcurtiswxpedro_: awesome, thx14:53
pedro_bcurtiswx, i'm waiting for the other responses to send more info, so stay tune ;-))14:53
micahgPrototypeX29A: so maybe use the latest stable and see if that helps?14:53
hggdhEvo 2.31 would require additional backports -- libgdata and gtkhtml, at least14:53
bcurtiswxpedro_: rgr that14:53
PrototypeX29Amicahg: latest stable as in Lynx?14:54
micahgPrototypeX29A: no, evo in PPA14:54
hggdhPrototypeX29A: *also*14:54
PrototypeX29Awhat is PPA?14:54
micahghggdh: is there a reliable maintainer PPA for it?14:54
micahg!ppa | PrototypeX29A14:54
ubot2PrototypeX29A: A Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and should be used at your own risk.14:54
hggdhI have not looked at it in details, micahg. But Maverick has 2.30 already14:54
hggdhpedro_: muchas gracias14:55
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Hamraseeing that encryption ain't new around, can it really be no one else had a bug like this? bug 58406715:10
ubot2Launchpad bug 584067 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) "setting up swap encryption from alternate CD uses unstable device nodes (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58406715:10
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Kangarooohttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/533478 can somebody help with making backtrace? what backtrace does? ive did what is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace and nothing was done while doing backtrace in programm15:48
ubot2Launchpad bug 533478 in thunar (Ubuntu) "Deleting file and holding enter opens file witch isnt selected. Witch is to the right from deleted file. (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete]15:48
Kangaroooi did exacly what is writen in section Generation exept first step couse i had gdb already installed15:49
Kangaroooem i mean second i didnt do but also first i didnt do15:50
hggdhHamra: devices that get reassigned continuously on boot are not common15:53
Hamraahh... i see15:54
hggdhHamra: it would be good, also, to have the dmesg showing device allocation15:55
hggdhHamra: actually, please run 'ubuntu-bug -p linux 584067'16:00
hggdhthis will collect a lot of data that may help in pinpoint the issue16:01
stentenhggdh: Do you mind if I ask what the -p flag does in ubuntu-bug? It's not in the man page.16:04
stenten(I'm assuming it apport-collects the "linux" info even though the bug isn't filed against the kernel?)16:04
BlackZstenten: I think it indicates the package16:11
hggdhstenten: it tells ubuntu-bug to collect data for the package specified in the parameter (-p linux)16:12
stentenok thank you.16:12
BlackZhggdh: but it's deprecated16:12
hggdhBlackZ: is it?16:13
BlackZhggdh: Warning: The options -p/-P are deprecated, please do not use them.  See /usr/bin/ubuntu-bug --help16:14
BlackZhggdh: I think 'ubuntu-bug linux 584067' would be enough16:15
BlackZ(but I'm not sure)16:15
hggdhBlackZ: I cannot see this warning anywhere. But yes, you do not need to -p (or --package)16:15
BlackZhggdh: try 'ubuntu-bug -p linux' and you will see it16:16
micahgI thought -p was for apport-collect when the bug was not tasked to that package16:17
BlackZmicahg: nope, it indicates the package16:17
hggdhweird.16:18
hggdhtime to dig in the source16:18
BlackZheh16:18
micahgBlackZ: or tasked to multiple packages I guess, if it just has one task, it will just DTRT16:18
hggdhmostly cuz --help does not say anything16:18
Kangarooois there a command that shows all installed packages by date?16:21
Kangarooowitch i installed thrue terminal with aptitude16:22
BlackZKangarooo: I'd use dpkg -l16:22
BlackZfor filter them, I'm not sure if it can be possible (?)16:23
KangaroooBlackZ: i have programm in Applications->settings called 3d acceleration i want to remove it16:24
BlackZKangarooo: maybe they're the driver for your video card, however the support is in #ubuntu16:24
Kangaroooits not opening since i put another videocard and installed restricted nvidia driver and i think maybe that programm is cousing all screen to respond slow16:25
xelisterhggdh: want to dig into horryfiing sources? ;) find out why "retty" application is packaged only for 32 bit mode (from sources) =)16:25
BlackZs/driver/driver panel settings16:26
hggdhxelister: without looking I would say because it FTBFS on amd64 ;-)16:26
ddecatorhggdh: will you be on to talk to kermiac and myself at 1300 UTC on Thursday?16:28
hggdhddecator: yes, I will16:28
ddecatorhggdh: alright, that's when we plan to both be on :)16:28
hggdhddecator: cool, thanks. It will be easy, all we need is a major change in apport16:29
hggdh:-)16:29
ddecatorno big deal :p16:29
xelisterhggdh: sort of, but its more funny/horryfing. Took me  <1 minute to find out after getting http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/r/retty/retty_1.0.orig.tar.gz16:29
hggdhxelister: so I guess you can propose a debdiff to correct it...16:30
hggdhxelister: but keep in mind that "builds on amd64" is not the same as "works on amd64"16:31
Kangarooohttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash what in there means ~i in aptitude search '~i' | fgrep -e '-dbg' ? i run this command and it doesnt give anything16:32
PrototypeX29Adoes anybody know what attachments with the ending .eml are supposed to mean?16:34
PrototypeX29Athey seem to correlate with my bug, but i don't know how to test it16:34
hggdhPrototypeX29A: an RFC822 email message16:35
xelisterhggdh: no, I can't. look into the source for a lol =)16:36
xelisterprobably noone cam16:36
xelistercan16:36
hggdhxelister: heh. There you go...16:38
hggdhxelister: but retty would be superceeded by byobu (or screen)16:39
xelisteryea but only retty is able to attach TTY to *LOST* processes (that lost tty, and where NOT started inside screen etc16:40
xelisterbut.. look how the retty program does that..16:40
xelisterI looked at the source... and..16:40
xelisteroh my dear god.. WTF16:40
xelisterthe language.... the way they "attach" it... the NX bit... the architectures.. OH DEAR GOD its so wrong on so many levels =)16:40
hggdh:-) so... we are back on always running byobu. Or re-wrting retty (and I agree there *is* usage for it)16:42
hggdhxelister: looked at the code. I very much doubt I would allow retty to be installed on machines I were to be a sysadmin16:45
xelisteryeap. it would not run on any modern system probably =)16:47
xelisterit would be nice if kernel would reimplenet simply real rettry instead of such hackery16:47
PrototypeX29Awhat happens to a bug in say karmic, when it turns out that the problem is fixed upstream?16:48
ddecatorPrototypeX29A: wait for it to work its way downstream and hope it does fix the problem :)16:49
micahg!sru | PrototypeX29A16:49
ubot2PrototypeX29A: Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates16:49
PrototypeX29Aah thx16:49
PrototypeX29Aso if it is not considered a "high-impact bug" i am doomed16:51
hggdhPrototypeX29A: not necessarily. "high-impact" has many forms; also, you can always build your own (cherry-pick the upstream fix, and add it in)16:53
PrototypeX29Asounds good16:53
hggdhalso, every so often I do build an Evo with an upstream fix (when upstream asks me to, usually)16:54
xelisterhggdh: I would guess, only clean way to do retty rewrite would be to make nesesary libc function / kernel syscall? to nativly/nicelly do retty'ing of a process, instead of this hackery attempted by current retty ;)17:53
PrototypeX29Ai found some bugs upstream which match my bug, but i am not sure wether everyone would agree that it is the same bug17:53
PrototypeX29Aso is it better to open a new bug upstream?17:54
hggdhPrototypeX29A: if in doubt, yes, a new bug is better17:54
PrototypeX29Aactually i am not in doubt, but someone may be :)17:55
PrototypeX29Anobody is trusting my wisdom17:56
hggdhPrototypeX29A: OK. Give me your UBuntu bug, and some potential matches upstream17:57
PrototypeX29Ahttps://bugs.launchpad.net/evolution/+bug/58537517:58
ubot2Launchpad bug 585375 in evolution (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Mail filters occasionally do not work (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Low,New]17:58
PrototypeX29Ahttps://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35032317:58
ubot2Gnome bug 350323 in Mailer "Filter by "Mailing list contains" requires "@" symbol" [Minor,Unconfirmed]17:58
PrototypeX29Ano this one is actually better: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34685517:59
ubot2Gnome bug 346855 in Mailer "mail filtering in evolution is not perfect" [Normal,Unconfirmed]17:59
PrototypeX29Aunconfirmed since 200618:01
PrototypeX29Ahggdh: with the first bug i really don't get the developer's relpy18:03
hggdhPrototypeX29A: sounds a match for gnome 34685518:04
ubot2Gnome bug 346855 in Mailer "mail filtering in evolution is not perfect" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34685518:05
hggdhso yes, you can use this one (and update the upstream bug for current version)18:05
PrototypeX29Aok18:05
hggdhPrototypeX29A: fejj was stating that this field should be pre-filled, and not manually edited18:06
* hggdh does not remember how it is now... will have to check18:06
PrototypeX29Athis time i have problems reporting it upstream. I click on "Also affects project" in launchpad and get to a form which asks me for the name of the Project (there does not seem to be a relationship to gnome established before)18:14
PrototypeX29Ai then enter 'evolution' and i get the error: A fix for this bug has already been requested for Evolution18:17
PrototypeX29Ai must say, that i don't find LaunchPad easy to use18:18
hggdhPrototypeX29A: I see an upstream Evolution task there18:18
PrototypeX29Awhere?18:18
hggdhon bug 58537518:19
ubot2Launchpad bug 585375 in evolution (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Mail filters occasionally do not work (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58537518:19
PrototypeX29Athen i am using a wrong link18:20
hggdhan upstream task had already been added, all you need to do is edit it (the small down triangle on its left) and add the link for the Gnome bug18:20
PrototypeX29Ahttps://bugs.launchpad.net/evolution/+bug/58537518:20
ubot2Launchpad bug 585375 in evolution (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Mail filters occasionally do not work (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Low,New]18:20
hggdhPrototypeX29A: see the "(and 1 other project)"? This is the upstream Evo task18:21
PrototypeX29Ai am very confused now, i happen to get different views on this bug18:21
hggdh?18:22
PrototypeX29Asometimes i see two projects, sometimes only one. I don't know18:22
bcurtiswxpedro_: are you done editing the contacts page?18:23
PrototypeX29Anow i happen to see two entries on being 'Evolution' and one being 'evolution (Ubuntu)', opening the first one i can enter a remote watch URL. Is that meant to get the upstream link?18:25
hggdhPrototypeX29A: this is indeed weird, given that -- for this bug -- I always see the two projects/tasks18:25
PrototypeX29Ai don't know. I have just provided an upsteam link for another evolution bug, it was completely without any obstacles18:26
hggdhPrototypeX29A: you are correct. The "Evolution(Ubuntu)" is our task (local to Ubuntu), and "Evolution" is the upstream one18:26
hggdhPrototypeX29A: most probably because this other bug did not yet have an upstream task opened for it18:27
PrototypeX29Aso i just select URL at Remote Watch and enter the URL of the gnome-bug?18:27
hggdhcorrect18:27
PrototypeX29Ai still am confused, but it should be done18:28
hggdhand then -- to be complete -- you go to the upstream bug and update it with the Ubuntu bug link, and also update the versions affected18:28
PrototypeX29Aok18:28
hggdhchecking18:28
PrototypeX29Awhat do you mean with versions affected?18:28
PrototypeX29Athat is an entry in the upstream tracker?18:29
hggdhit is, but I am not sure you would have access. I will do it18:30
PrototypeX29Ait seems that i do not18:31
hggdhPrototypeX29A: done. Please refresh, and look at the right side, near the top. It is now set as Evo 2.28.x. At the bottom you can see it again, together with the Gnome version18:32
hggdhwhich I also updated18:32
PrototypeX29Ais 2.28 the same as 2.8?18:34
hggdhPrototypeX29A: no, it is not. 2.8 is obsolete...18:35
PrototypeX29Ayou just changed to version to 2.8.x18:35
hggdhARGHHH!18:35
PrototypeX29Agood, i thought this whole bugtracking thing was only driving me insane18:36
hggdhPrototypeX29A: corrected. Thank you :-)18:37
PrototypeX29Agood thanks18:37
PrototypeX29Ai'll leave for a bottle of mate, cu18:38
hggdhPrototypeX29A: tahnk you for the patience18:38
PrototypeX29Ai intend to get my bug score much higher18:39
bcurtiswxPrototypeX29A: it's not a competition, tho18:39
PrototypeX29Aas soon as i have 30 open bugs, i can prove that linux is buggy :)18:39
PrototypeX29Abcurtiswx: it motivates :)18:39
PrototypeX29Aif i loose and end up with a working system it is a nice solace18:40
PrototypeX29Alose18:40
skybonhi all18:42
skybonwhy can't I while being a member of BugSquad triage bugs?18:43
hggdhskybon: I am not sure I follow you18:43
skybon?18:44
hggdhskybon: and, BTW, welcome ;-)18:44
skybonthanks18:44
hggdhskybon: "why can't I while being a member of Bugsquad triage bugs?" <- what do you mean?18:44
skybonI can't set the status of a bug to triaged despite my membership in BugSquad18:47
skybonas well as Won't Fix18:47
skybonidk why, maybe a bug?18:47
hggdhskybon: indeed. These stati require bug-control membership (given they have been abused again and again)18:48
skybonermmm well, ok18:49
hggdhso -- while you acquire experience to apply to bug-control, please ask here for Importance and status change to Triaged18:49
hggdhand we will be more than happy to do it18:49
skybonok, I get it18:49
skybonthanks again :)18:50
hggdhfor wontfix... a bit more complex, unless you are an upstream developer for the package18:51
hggdhor, of course, a maintainer for the specific Ubuntu package18:55
pedro_bcurtiswx, i was editing that yesterday,  the wiki says i'm still doing that?19:13
bcurtiswxpedro_: i got the e-mail about changes.. looked and didn't see me on there... thought i was supposed to be19:14
bcurtiswxpedro_: but in case im not, wanted to verify19:15
pedro_bcurtiswx, you mean https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Contacts/List ? feel free to add yourself there ;-)19:15
pedro_bcurtiswx, i just moved that from Contacts to Contacts/List and update the list to include that in the Adopt a package one19:16
bcurtiswxpedro_: Ah ok, thx :D19:16
pedro_you're welcome ;-)19:16
bilalakhtarHi triagers! Whatis the number of bugs one should try to triage before joining bugcontrol?19:19
hggdhbilalakhtar: it is not really a question of number of bugs, but rather of quality of work19:19
bilalakhtarhggdh: ok19:19
hggdhbilalakhtar: usually a month to 2 months of consistent triage is enough19:20
bilalakhtarhggdh: ok19:20
bilalakhtarom26er: Hi there! I have recently commented (again) on your bug, see that19:21
om26erbilalakhtar, the recent upload to totem only contained the patch to avoid it from crashing on start19:25
om26era bug should be converted from regression-potential to regression-release what if a bug was found after the release and is a regression?19:29
hggdhom26er: correct19:29
bilalakhtarom26er: so this is a bug in totem. fine19:29
om26erbug 57384519:30
ubot2Launchpad bug 573845 in telepathy-gabble (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "gtalk video calls wont broadcast my video (works in debian) (affects: 4) (dups: 2) (heat: 40)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57384519:30
om26erhggdh, the tag would be 'regression' ?19:30
bilalakhtarhow do I remove a bug "affects <blah blah>" link19:30
hggdhyou don't... but you can set it INVALID (and explain why)19:31
hggdhI mean -- if this is a task. If it is just an upstream link, delete it19:32
bilalakhtarom26er: BTW, how are you using maverick? where did you get an experimental build?19:32
om26erbilalakhtar, used update manager19:33
bilalakhtarom26er: oh yeah19:33
hggdhsudo do-release-upadte -d, or equivalent19:33
bilalakhtarom26er: you are a real tester19:33
bilalakhtarupdate-manager -d19:33
om26erbilalakhtar, http://www.webupd8.org/2010/05/how-to-upgrade-to-ubuntu-1010-maverick.html19:34
PrototypeX29Are19:34
bilalakhtarom26er: how much did you have to download to get maverick?19:35
om26erbilalakhtar, 200mb here19:35
om26er~19:35
bilalakhtarom26er: How much is it different from lucid?19:36
bilalakhtarright now, barely any difference19:36
hggdhom26er: regression-release19:37
om26erhggdh, thanks done :)19:38
chilicuilhi, I'm working on this bug #519787 someone has suggested me to merge it with the debian package, the bug was fixed in the 0.15.6 version but the last package in the debian repositories is the .15.9 version, should I merge against the .15.6 version or against the .15.9?19:38
ubot2Launchpad bug 519787 in mpd (Debian) (and 1 other project) "mpd: segfault when trying to play a m4a (AAC-LC) file (affects: 7) (heat: 38)" [Unknown,Unknown] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51978719:38
bilalakhtarom26er: is maverick stable for you right now?19:39
mvoom26er: btw, setting "release-upgrades" to "normal" (instead of lts) and update-manager -d should work now too19:39
mvo(setting that in software-properties-gtk)19:40
om26erbilalakhtar, not exactly disk usage sometimes becomes crazy19:40
hggdhchilicuil: which version do we have on Lucid and Maverick?19:43
bilalakhtarom26er: disk usage means maverick is using a lot of disk space?19:43
om26erbilalakhtar, no, the disk activity, it makes me kill X every 1hour and we should be in #ubuntu+1 ;)19:44
chilicuilhggdh, 0.15.419:44
hggdhchilicuil: on both Lucid and Maverick?19:45
chilicuilyep, hggdh19:45
hggdhOK. depending of which version will be synch-ed from Debian, you would add it there19:46
hggdh(if not already in -- e.g., if we sync 0.15.9)19:46
hggdhthen you would propose a SRU for Lucid (and port the fix to 0.15.4)19:46
hggdhbilalakhtar: Maverick is far from stable right now... so caveat emptor19:48
bilalakhtarhggdh: I meant to ask is maverick stable enough to use? or it crashes like windoes?19:48
hggdhbilalakhtar: it may, or may not, depending on what changes have been already done *and* on your hardware19:49
hggdhbilalakhtar: for example, on the Lucid cycle I had 3 critical failures19:49
bilalakhtarhggdh: Which ones?19:49
hggdhxserver, disc recognition on boot, and the root FS failing completely19:50
bilalakhtarhggdh: Ok, I hafta go. cya19:50
chilicuilI found in MoM that it has been merged automatically ( https://merges.ubuntu.com/m/mpd/ ), so I think I should merge it manually against the 0.15.9 and then add the patch to the lucid one?, am I right?19:50
hggdhchilicuil: sounds like a plan19:51
chilicuilok, hggdh, thx19:51
Kangaroooi want to try to resolve problem/report a bug about video card driver. where should i post it? to what package? ubuntu:xorg ?19:58
PrototypeX29Athe driver should be part of the kernel i think20:00
KangaroooPrototypeX29A: problem is that i put geforce 5500 (its old) but when starting splash screen is in max quality also tty1-6 are high quality/resolution and windows are opening and closing fast on minimize/maximize but when i in System->hardware drivers put latest driver and restarted i get in glxgears even 5000fps but splash screen is in very bad resolution and available resolutions are less and max mhz are less and tty1-6 are in low resolution and minimiz20:06
Kangarooovery long line.. was i cut somewhere? last word in that line was :"slow" and also not 5000fps but about 2500fps (yeah wow. i dont know how)20:08
stentenKangarooo: is it a bug with the open-source driver or nVidia's proprietary driver?20:09
charlie-tcaThat is a know issue. nvidia and kms20:09
Kangaroooi dont know. that what i want to know so i could write bug and that is fixed (or at least that this computer can be usable couse when activated hardware driver then minimize maximize and everything is sloooow)20:10
charlie-tcahttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/ReleaseNotes#Working%20around%20bugs%20in%20the%20new%20kernel%20video%20architecture20:11
Kangarooostenten: so since i activated in hardware then its nvidia also here in nvidia i see the same driver version nr 173 http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot705.php20:11
stentencharlie-tca: shouldn't KMS already be off because it's using nvidia-current, not nouveau?20:12
charlie-tcano, it still makes the splash screen look like an old vga screen, and messes with the other stuff depending on the card20:13
charlie-tcaThere are at least three bugs for it already20:13
charlie-tcait is the nvidia hardware driver causing the ugly stuff20:13
Kangarooocharlie-tca: ive just made about 5 screenshots about what is possible with/without nvidia and fps rates with glx-gears i can post that all but to witch package? and should i do thrue web in LP or with ubuntu-bgug ?20:14
charlie-tcaPlease don't. It is a known issue with bugs on file20:15
Kangaroooah ok. i thought maybe very interesting would be seeing 2500 fps20:15
Kangarooobut will this be fixed or should i take olde card?20:15
skybonsomeone from bug-control please mark bug #103791 as Triaged20:16
ubot2Launchpad bug 103791 in debian (and 1 other project) "[needs-packaging] pcsx2 (affects: 5) (dups: 1) (heat: 56)" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/10379120:16
charlie-tcaI don't know if/when this will be fixed.20:16
charlie-tcaKangarooo: here is the ugly splash screen bug - https://launchpad.net/bugs/55200020:17
ubot2Launchpad bug 552000 in xubuntu-artwork (Ubuntu) "xubuntu logo in plymouth splash screen looks like it has spider webs in it (affects: 3) (heat: 18)" [Medium,Triaged]20:17
charlie-tcaThere are two more referenced in the release notes that I gave you20:17
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DarxusCan somebody unmark this as a duplicate?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/582564  I incorrectly marked it, and don't seem to have the ability to undo it.20:48
ubot2Launchpad bug 582564 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "X keeps crashing in Lucid (dup-of: 584655)" [Undecided,Confirmed]20:48
ubot2Launchpad bug 584655 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Xorg crashed: Failed to submit batchbuffer: No space left on device (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 20)" [Undecided,Confirmed]20:48
KangaroooDarxus: u cant un dublicate it?20:51
charlie-tcaDarxus: done. All you have to do is click on the little yellow circle with a pencil. that lets you erase the duplicate number20:58
skybonsomeone please mark bug #103791 as triaged21:07
ubot2Launchpad bug 103791 in debian (and 1 other project) "[needs-packaging] pcsx2 (affects: 5) (dups: 1) (heat: 56)" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/10379121:07
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Darxuscharlie-tca: Sweet, thanks.21:22
bcurtiswxanyone know what an exit status 245 on dpkg means?21:23
bcurtiswxreference bug #57712221:23
ubot2Launchpad bug 577122 in empathy (Ubuntu) "can't remove empathy package (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57712221:23
DarxusSince firefox and chrome are frequently crashing X, can you recommend a different browser in the ubuntu archives?  Ephiphany?21:24
DarxusYeah, that looks like the option.21:25
charlie-tcaOn the chance of getting heavily bombed, I recommend 'midori'21:27
hggdhheh21:28
micahgdid I miss the what's your favorite browser session?21:31
hggdhguess you did, by a few :-)21:31
Hamraguess i missed it too.... by what margin did internet explorer beat the rest? :P21:34
* bcurtiswx hugs opera21:39
charlie-tcaand then he runs away!21:40
skybonsomeone please mark bugs #103791 and #113183 as triaged21:50
ubot2Launchpad bug 103791 in debian (and 1 other project) "[needs-packaging] pcsx2 (affects: 5) (dups: 1) (heat: 56)" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/10379121:50
ubot2Launchpad bug 113183 in ubuntu (and 2 other projects) "[needs-packaging] QJoyPad (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/11318321:50
LinuxGuy2009I was here the other day about an Intel graphics chip that Lucid doesn't work well with and I read here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bugs/Lucidi8xxFreezes that I can switch this PC to VESA by copying and pasting to /etc/X11/xorg.conf I just looked for that file and it doesn't exist in that folder. Does this mean I need to create it?22:30
Hamrayes. as of Hardy, ubuntu has been using a "bullet proof X", an X that can auto configure itself even if no xorg.conf exists22:32
LinuxGuy2009Ok cool. Thank you.22:32
Hamrabut of course, having the file around helps setting the system better, and specifying exactly how we want X to act22:32
LinuxGuy2009Hamra: Thanks very much i apreciate the advice.22:33
Hamrayou're welcome22:33
LinuxGuy2009Hamra: I just saved the file and rebooted and it came up to a black screen right off the bat. Any ideas how I can resolve this?22:37
LinuxGuy2009Suposed to fix 100% of this issue but not so far.22:38
Hamrahmmm... seems like this xorg.conf file doesn't configure X properly, if you click CTRL+ALT+F1, do you get a console login?22:38
LinuxGuy2009No22:38
LinuxGuy2009Oh wait22:38
LinuxGuy20091 sec22:38
wise_crypthttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/mountall/+bug/559582 << how to solve this ?22:38
ubot2Launchpad bug 559582 in initramfs-tools (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 3 other projects) "Upgrade from karmic to lucid failes with Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on mountall (affects: 18) (dups: 1) (heat: 110)" [Undecided,Fix released]22:38
LinuxGuy2009Hamra: Nope, no console22:39
Hamraok, try rebooting into recovery option22:40
LinuxGuy2009ok22:40
LinuxGuy2009Hamra: How do I do that?22:40
Hamrawhen the computer starts, do you see a grub menu with options of kernel choices?22:40
LinuxGuy2009No do i need to press shift to get that first?22:41
LinuxGuy2009or something like that?22:41
Hamraafter your motherboard logo disappears, you should either see the menu, or a blank screen for a few seconds. if blank screen, click ESC to get the grub menu22:42
LinuxGuy2009ok22:42
LinuxGuy20091 sec (its in the other room)22:42
LinuxGuy2009Hamra: Esc didnt bring anything up.22:44
Hamrathe system just went straight into booting?22:44
LinuxGuy2009Hamra:  Appears that way.22:45
Hamrado ALT+F1 or ALT+F2 do anything, while in this black screen now?22:45
LinuxGuy2009Ill try22:47
LinuxGuy2009Hamra: No nothing. I'm guessing Ill have to use the live CD to erase the xorg.conf and try another solution so my parents have a working machine without the display blacking out every 5 minutes. Jaunty runs fun on there machine.22:48
LinuxGuy2009Strange22:49
Hamradoes their PC have same graphics controller? intel?22:50
LinuxGuy2009Hamra: It has an Intel i84522:50
Hamraand you?22:50
LinuxGuy2009Im on my custom built machine with nvidia 9800GTX+22:51
LinuxGuy2009There PC is an IBM.22:52
Hamrais jaunty still available on the intel machine? or was it removed during the installation of lucid?22:53
LinuxGuy2009I did a clean lucid install. But I still have the Jaunty live CD to reinstall if I have to.22:54
LinuxGuy2009Hamra: Do you think I should just reinstall Jaunty and just keep an eye on this bug and maybe retry it on there machine after its been fixed? Perhaps hopefully by 10.04.1.22:58
Hamrait really is up to you, and if the problem is fixable. i was hoping if jaunty was still installed, to see if it has a xorg.conf file and copy it22:59
Darxus(WW) Ignoring unrecognized extension "glx" / (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so23:00
LinuxGuy2009Hamra: Not sure Ive never really messed with xorg and al that. Never had to till now.23:00
DarxusThis is frustrating.23:00
LinuxGuy2009I guess Ill just reinstall Jaunty.23:00
Hamrai have a nvidia geforce 8500 here, and it sure is hell to configure everytime. i've been copying and using same xorg.conf for 2 years now...23:00
DarxusLinuxGuy2009: I should probably try that.23:00
LinuxGuy2009Hamra: Really?23:00
LinuxGuy2009Hamra: Was 8500 an odd model or something?23:01
Hamranot really, but the constant changing of how ubuntu deals with nvidia is frustrating. from nv, to defaulting on VESA one time, and now nouveau in lucid23:02
DarxusYeah ubuntu really has gotten pretty magical about video card configuration in recent years.23:02
DarxusI'm *very* happy with how ubuntu currently handles nvidia.23:02
LinuxGuy2009Darxus: Yeah me too. My 9800GTX+ works great23:02
DarxusThe transition from no magic to magic was a bit rough.  But since then it's been great.23:03
DarxusConflicts with the third party magic.23:04
LinuxGuy2009Well I guess Jaunty is going back on and Ill wait for 10.04.1 and hope this Intel graphics issue is fixed.23:04
LinuxGuy2009Hamra: Thank You!23:04
DarxusLinuxGuy2009: Oh, you have an intel issue too?23:05
LinuxGuy2009Darxus: Yeah you too?23:05
DarxusThat's what's currently driving me mad.  Damn thing keeps hanging.23:05
LinuxGuy2009Darxus: Black screen like every 5 minutes?23:05
DarxusNo, mostly black with graphical... errors.23:05
DarxusThere are two relevant bugs open.23:05
LinuxGuy2009Darxus: What model card do you have? My parents is a i84523:06
Darxus00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01)23:06
LinuxGuy2009Darxus: Looks like the same card 84523:07
DarxusLinuxGuy2009: Are you getting hangs, crashes, or occasional black screens?23:07
LinuxGuy2009Darxus: Black screens23:07
DarxusHah.23:07
LinuxGuy2009Darxus: Non recoverable it seems.23:07
DarxusAh, then it's probably the same as mine.23:07
DarxusLet me get you a url...23:07
LinuxGuy2009Cool23:08
LinuxGuy2009Bug #541492 I have23:08
ubot2Launchpad bug 541492 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) "MASTER: [i845] GPU lockup (apport-crash) (Should KMS be blacklisted?) (affects: 41) (dups: 22) (heat: 368)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54149223:08
LinuxGuy2009Pretty serious bug23:08
DarxusBug #58256423:09
ubot2Launchpad bug 582564 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "X keeps crashing in Lucid (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58256423:09
DarxusLinuxGuy2009: For me it seems to always been when I'm using a web browser, all three I've tried.23:09
DarxusLinuxGuy2009: Looks like yours has much more useful info, thanks.23:10
LinuxGuy2009 LinuxGuy2009: Yeah same here. Firefox and Chromium both we have tried. No other apps seem to do it.23:10
LinuxGuy2009 LinuxGuy2009: Oh cool23:10
DarxusThe other one I tried was Epiphany.23:10
LinuxGuy2009 LinuxGuy2009: I didnt try that one.23:11
LinuxGuy2009 LinuxGuy2009: I wonder if opera does it23:11
DarxusLinuxGuy2009: Did you try the backported package from gomyhr's ppa?23:11
LinuxGuy2009 LinuxGuy2009: Backported what package?23:12
DarxusEh, read the beginning of the page of that bug you mentioned :P23:12
Darxus"There is now a potential fix upstream. A driver package with the              backported fix is available in the PPA                                        https://launchpad.net/~gomyhr/+archive/standard23:12
Darxus"23:12
Darxus"...or fails in a completely new and exciting way."  Awesome.23:13
LinuxGuy2009 LinuxGuy2009: hehe23:13
LinuxGuy2009Darxus: I might have tried that the other day. I think that package is older than the current one.23:15
Darxus(II) intel(0): Integrated Graphics Chipset: Intel(R) 845G23:15
DarxusLinuxGuy2009: Ah, bummer.23:15
LinuxGuy2009Darxus: Im just throwing Jaunt back on it. Not even gonna try  Karmic again.23:17
LinuxGuy2009Darxus: What do you plan to do?23:18
DarxusLinuxGuy2009: Don't know yet.  Jaunty is tempting.23:18
DarxusStill need to read up more on the current state of the problem.23:19
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DarxusYeah, the version in the archives is newer.23:19
DarxusThan the ppa.23:19
DarxusLinuxGuy2009: Did you subscribe to the upstream bug?23:21
DarxusUgh, links seems to be failing to handle logins.23:22
DarxusSo this video card was blacklisted from acceleration in Jaunty and that's what kept it from crashing?23:41
maco:((( i cant mark a bug as affecting debian23:53
macoclicking "also affects project" tells me "debian" doesnt exist in lp (it does: http://launchpad.net/debian) and searching on their for debian says too many results23:53
micahgmaco: also affects distro23:54
macoand clicking "also affects distro" and choosing debian from the dropdown then giving it the url to the debian bug, it yells at me about not including the optional (!!!) package name. and when i try "wnpp" as the package name, lp tells me no such thing exists. :(23:54
micahgmaco: what bug?23:54
macolp 113183  and bts 56450323:55
ubot2Launchpad bug 113183 in debian (and 3 other projects) "[needs-packaging] QJoyPad (affects: 3) (heat: 20)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/11318323:55
macowait what23:55
macorawr this is confusing!23:55
dado55can somebody help with ubuntu freezing on install?23:55
macoso does that mean it worked the time i tried doing it through email but then decided it just wasnt going to update the web interface to reflect that?23:55
micahgmaco: it seems you got the affecting, just add the URL now23:55
micahgmaco: possibly by the time you got to the web interface, the email changes took effect23:56
micahgmaco: I see there's a bug comment 'affects debian'23:58

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