[00:00] <RAOF> Good morninginging
[00:01] <TheMuso> Morning RAOF, hey rickspencer3.
[00:02] <rickspencer3> hi TheMuso
[00:02] <rickspencer3> happy Tuesday
[00:02] <RAOF> Morning TheMuso
[00:16] <desrt> tuesday?
[00:16] <desrt> what strange alternate universe is this?
[00:16] <rickspencer3> desrt, they live in Sydney
[00:16] <rickspencer3> they are from the future
[00:16] <RAOF> Well, and Hobart.
[00:17] <desrt> time, down under
[00:17] <rickspencer3> RAOF, you know Hobart is a manufacturer of industrial dishwashers, right?
[00:17] <TheMuso> "I remember the future, like it was only yesterday."
[00:18] <RAOF> rickspencer3: No?  What dishwashers?
[00:18] <rickspencer3> http://www.google.com/products?q=hobart+dishwashers&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=Jwn7S47TMML98AbGvInHCg&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CDYQrQQwAw
[00:18] <rickspencer3> for restaurants and cafeterias and stuff
[00:18]  * rickspencer3 notes that RAOF never had a crap job in food service
[00:19] <RAOF> Wow.  The things you learn :)
[00:19] <lifeless> 8K new
[00:19] <lifeless> wowsers
[00:19] <desrt> lifeless: hem?
[00:20] <lifeless> desrt: the first item in ricks link
[00:20] <lifeless> a dishwasher
[00:20] <desrt> oh.  i thought you meant "8000 new instances of [something]"
[00:21] <lifeless> mind you
[00:21] <lifeless> I want one of these: http://www.dexigner.com/product/news-g3239.html
[00:21] <lifeless> better link - http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/exhibits/binddes/rockpool/default.asp
[00:23] <desrt> uses co2 gas?
[00:23] <lifeless> liquid
[00:23] <desrt> makes more sense :)
[00:23] <lifeless> room temp pressurises Co2
[00:23] <lifeless> http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/exhibits/binddes/rockpool/beneath.asp
[00:23] <lifeless> s/s /d /
[00:25] <desrt> fascinating
[00:25] <lifeless> http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/exhibits/binddes/rockpool/interface.asp is pretty cool
[00:25] <lifeless> and a real eye opener about UI
[00:26] <RAOF> Yeah.
[00:27] <desrt> lifeless: pretty weird interface there
[00:28] <desrt> i'd suspect a pair of buttons would be more intuitive
[00:28] <lifeless> you'd need several buttons though
[00:28] <desrt> also: less pointlessly expensive
[00:28] <desrt> open/close and "wash now"
[00:28] <lifeless> open/close/start per side no ?
[00:28] <RAOF> Pointlessly expensive?  It's a supercritical CO₂ dishwasher!
[00:29] <desrt> lifeless: as it is, you need a rock per side
[00:29] <lifeless> 15$ in parts for a couple of magnets and logic vs a pressurised co2 containment system and seperator ?
[00:29] <lifeless> I'll pay it:>
[00:30] <desrt> lifeless: 15$ added to the cost of each unit in a mass-produced item is a no-go :p
[00:30] <lifeless> I disagree
[00:30] <lifeless> you have to talk % not absolute costs
[00:30] <desrt> true
[00:30] <desrt> but i imagine the co2 tech will get a lot cheaper
[00:31] <lifeless> dishwashers today are ~ 2K for standalone units
[00:31] <lifeless> 15 dollars there is still < 2%
[00:31] <lifeless> there is 10 times that variance across models already.
[00:31] <lifeless> more than even
[00:31] <desrt> anyway... the cost was not my main point
[00:32] <desrt> my entire point was "less intuitive -and- costs more, to boot"
[00:33] <bryceh> erf, allhands.canonical.com is really irritating me
[00:33] <bryceh> Conversion Error
[00:33] <bryceh> "HR0F08F0CC-C17F-463C-8D7C-3B3412F8ABFD_ZY3NDOMS0SALAsessment_1541_6": Error during model data update.
[00:33] <desrt> seems like a neat gimick, that's all
[00:34] <zachtib> Hi, I asked this in #ayatana also, but I was wondering if someone in here might know... I want to bundle a light and dark tray icon with my app to match the new Lucid look and feel, but I'm wondering where exactly to put them so that appindicator picks them up
[00:35] <lifeless> desrt: I think you learn how to use it by fiddling with greater ease than my dishwasher
[00:35]  * ccheney made it to the hotel :)
[00:37] <desrt> lifeless: my initial reaction would be "what idiot put this rock on the dishwasher?" :p
[00:37] <lifeless> well, assume you don't know its a dishwasher
[00:38] <lifeless> because I doubt you would, its just a tray, with a rock, under some glass
[00:38] <desrt> btw: add moving glass shield and motion/proximity sensor to your cost estimation :p
[00:38] <lifeless> I suspect the shield is part of the containment system
[00:38] <lifeless> could be wrong
[00:39] <desrt> i suspect it's a "we don't let you move the rock if it would put the system into an inconsistent state" system
[00:39] <desrt> seems like the system could be sealed by the main door that covers the plates
[00:39] <lifeless> ah that too
[00:41] <JanC> zachtib: somewhere in a subfolder of ubuntu-mono-light & ubuntu-mono-dark I suppose
[00:42] <zachtib> JanC: that's where I have them, but appindicator isn't picking them up
[00:45] <zachtib> /usr/share/icons/ubuntu-mono-dark/apps/22/lookit.svg and i've given the indicator the icon name "lookit"
[00:45] <zachtib> it picks up an icon if I throw it into /usr/share/pixmaps
[00:45] <zachtib> but that won't let me conform to the theme
[00:56] <RAOF> zachtib: I'd guess that you'd need to re-run the icon theme cache generator.  This doesn't sound like the right approach, though, as it's specific to these icon themes.
[00:56] <zachtib> i did run gtk-update-icon-cache
[01:16] <TheMuso> c
[01:17] <rickspencer3> RAOF, if we hold back 3d support for intel 8xx chipsets, we use Vesa for those chips?
[01:18] <RAOF> rickspencer3: Correct.
[01:20] <rickspencer3> wow, the burndown chart page makes is really easy to be transparent with our plans
[01:30] <bryceh> rickspencer3, howso?
[01:30] <rickspencer3> bryceh, well ... I'm working on my normal "this is what we decided at UDS" blog post
[01:31] <rickspencer3> and using http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/ ...
[01:31] <rickspencer3> I can pretty much see everything
[01:31] <rickspencer3> and these are totally public pages
[01:31] <rickspencer3> so users can just look at the individual work items we have assigned ourselves
[01:31] <bryceh> ah cool
[01:31] <rickspencer3> I wonder how many other projects work with this degree of transparency?
[01:32] <rickspencer3> I think Eclipse might
[01:33] <rickspencer3> there is also this, of course: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickReleaseSchedule
[01:33] <rickspencer3> the combination is potent from a planning and tracking pov
[01:35] <rickspencer3> dinner time
[02:10] <TheMuso> Does anybody know off hand what is responsible for multimedia key press handling?
[02:16] <RAOF> TheMuso: My understanding is: the kernel should be translating them to recognisable keycodes, then gnome-settings-daemon dispatches them to whatever multimedia app has registered for notifications.
[02:16] <mclasen> with some X in between
[02:16] <TheMuso> RAOF: Right, its the gnome-settings-daemon bit I was wondering about, thanks.
[02:17] <RAOF> mclasen: Always.  :)
[02:17] <mclasen> in this case a bit of bottleneck, keycode-wise
[03:05] <ScottL> hello all, the ubuntu studio devs were wondering if removing a patch for network-admin would present a regression for vanilla desktop users
[03:05] <ScottL> bug #570828
[03:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 570828 in gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) "gnome-network-admin on UbuntuStudio doesnt allow to configure either wired networks or wireless (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 34)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/570828
[03:05] <ScottL> i don't think that network-admin is installed by default for a desktop installation, so i didn't think this would really present a regression
[04:21] <robert_ancell> desrt, are you making more work for me? :)
[04:21] <desrt> robert_ancell: yes :)
[04:21] <desrt> robert_ancell: dconf release coming in a few minutes
[04:22] <desrt> robert_ancell: i have the beginning of a dconf client API too
[04:22] <desrt> so you could theoretically start working on the editor
[04:22] <desrt> *lots* of new work :)
[04:22] <robert_ancell> desrt, also, I didn't realise you already had packages for dconf - is there any reason why I shouldn't just take those into universe?
[04:22] <desrt> i dont' have packages for dconf
[04:22] <desrt> the ones in my PPA are hilariously ancient
[04:22] <desrt> i should delete them, actually
[04:23] <desrt> btw: probably time for a MIR
[04:23] <robert_ancell> desrt, universe first :)
[04:24] <desrt> ok.  GSettings PPA is history
[04:24] <robert_ancell> desrt, I think I'll stick with the names you used for now - we can change the source package name in the future if required
[04:24] <desrt> desrtconf? :D
[04:25] <robert_ancell> libdconf.  So now we know what the d stands for
[04:25] <desrt> robert_ancell: you didn't already know? :p
[04:25] <desrt> anyway.  fine with me.
[04:26] <desrt> there was another issue, though: dconf tries to install /usr/bin/dconf
[04:26] <robert_ancell> sigh, glib takes so long to build... It hung on a unittest for .6, hoping this one works better
[04:26] <desrt> ya.  there's a gtester bug that leads to periodic hangs
[04:26] <robert_ancell> desrt, what has to execute /usr/bin/dconf?
[04:26] <desrt> the testcase terminates but the tester framework fails to notice the SIGCHLD
[04:26] <desrt> robert_ancell: humans
[04:26] <robert_ancell> desrt, is that fixed?
[04:27] <desrt> robert_ancell: no.  long-standing difficult bug
[04:27] <robert_ancell> desrt, so it's just random?
[04:27] <desrt> it's a race
[04:27] <desrt> it bites me sometimes during releases
[04:27] <desrt> then i swear
[04:27] <robert_ancell> ok, feeling lucky this time
[04:27] <desrt> 'make distcheck' takes longer than your normal build-from-tarball :p
[04:27] <desrt> and i have to start allll over again
[04:27] <robert_ancell> humans don't execute dconf right?
[04:27] <desrt> well
[04:28] <desrt> humans as in me and you, or humans as in "Linux for Human Beings"?
[04:28] <desrt> you and i will definitely want to execute /usr/bin/dconf from time to time.  it's the gconf-tool equivalent
[04:28] <robert_ancell> it gets run by libdconf on demand right?  Or gnome-session?
[04:28] <robert_ancell> ok, so it can handle a name changing for now then
[04:28] <desrt> ah.  that's /usr/libexec/dconf-service
[04:28] <desrt> or /usr/lib/dconf/dconf-service in the debian world, i guess
[04:29] <desrt> are you packaging now?
[04:31] <robert_ancell> I did some yesterday, waiting to get the updated glib working before I propose it
[04:31] <robert_ancell> and when I've installed it I'll try the API out
[04:32] <desrt> k.  just wanted to say that you should not package dconf 0.3
[04:32] <desrt> 0.3.1 will be out very soon
[04:33] <robert_ancell> ok
[04:33] <robert_ancell> maverick is unstable anyway :)
[04:34] <desrt> 0.3 won't even build anymore :p
[04:34] <desrt> i broke glib API today, times two
[04:34] <desrt> both of them breaking dconf 0.3
[04:35] <TheMuso> So what is dconf compared to gsettings?
[04:36] <robert_ancell> desrt, that's why there's no MIR yet :)
[04:37] <desrt> ok.  dconf 0.3.1 is now released in the usual places
[04:38] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, dconf=backend, gsettings=api
[04:39] <robert_ancell> desrt, is anyone working on an LDAP backend?  I think that was one of the criticisms of gconf right?
[04:42] <desrt> robert_ancell: no.
[04:43] <desrt> robert_ancell: but rodrigo is planning an ubuntu1/couchdb backend
[04:43] <desrt> reminds me -- i promised him a plugin API in dconf-service
[04:43] <desrt> hmmm
[04:43] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, can you add something here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RobertAncell/CoreDevApplication ? Paperwork says I need 3-5 endorsements.
[04:44] <desrt> Things I could do better
[04:44] <desrt> Filling out Ubuntu paperwork earlier (e.g. Core Dev applications)
[04:47] <desrt> hmm.  i think i'll be doing the sleeping thing now
[04:47] <desrt> robert_ancell: best of luck.  let me know if you hit any problems, of course
[04:47] <robert_ancell> desrt, thanks, see you later
[04:47] <desrt> good night (morning?)
[04:47] <robert_ancell> 2pm
[04:47]  * desrt pads off
[04:52] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: woops it slipped off the radar, will take care of that in a bit.
[05:02] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, also, can you sponsor gucharmap from bzr?
[05:02] <robert_ancell> pitti, ^^^ should gucharmap be in the desktop set?
[05:03] <robert_ancell> pitti, actually I should be bugging seb128 for these things now
[05:05] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: sure
[05:05] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, oh and I'm about to ask you to sponsor glib in a minute too :)
[05:10] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: no problem
[05:27] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: uploading gucharmap
[05:27] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, sweet
[05:36] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: let me know when you want me to look at glib
[05:36] <TheMuso> c
[05:37] <robert_ancell> it's rebuilding yet again, failed at the final step (missing symbols from .symbols file)
[05:38] <TheMuso> ah ok
[05:48] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, gconf too?
[05:48] <TheMuso> sure
[05:50] <TheMuso> Just let me know when they are ready.
[06:05] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, both ready
[06:05] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: ok will do them right away.
[06:25] <waltercool> a question... using dvd version of Ubuntu... can i make a new Xubuntu/Ubuntu/Kubuntu installation? Or is just Ubuntu with more packages on dvd?
[06:26] <waltercool> oh sorry... wrong place :/
[06:26] <waltercool> was just a xchat problem
[06:31] <TheMuso> yay long glib test runs. :_
[06:56]  * TheMuso does gconf while waiting for glib...
[07:08] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: gconf FTBF son i3786 for me
[07:08] <TheMuso> i386 even
[07:14] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: and amd64. I'll update my chroot to see if that helps any.
[07:18] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, ok, looking here
[07:30] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, it just built for me on my Maverick box (i386)
[07:31] <TheMuso> Hrm.
[07:31] <TheMuso> Well I updated my amd64 chroot. Thats weird, I'll try again.
[07:31] <RAOF> Damn you, sbuild?  Why are you failing, and leaving zombie mounts around after you?
[07:32] <TheMuso> RAOF: you running amverick on bare metal?
[07:32] <TheMuso> maverick
[07:32] <RAOF> Ah.  This is the problem?
[07:32] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, on my test box
[07:33] <robert_ancell> but thinking about migrating my main box as then I can compile faster
[07:33] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: right. I'll pastebin the error if it happens again.
[07:33] <TheMuso> ok glib uploading.
[07:33] <robert_ancell> I had trouble getting my Maverick pbuilder to work in Lucid, gave up and just use the test box
[07:35] <robert_ancell> RAOF, I hear your frustration :)
[07:37] <RAOF> Fortunately, pbuilder exists, and works.
[07:38] <RAOF> Just slightly less nice.
[07:41] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/439226/
[07:49] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: the above is the gconf FTBFs.
[08:02] <pitti> Good morning
[08:02] <pitti> robert_ancell: gucharmap> is it not?
[08:04] <didrocks> good morning
[08:05] <pitti> hey didrocks
[08:05] <didrocks> hey pitti, how was your week-end?
[08:05] <pitti> nice and long; lots of fresh air :)
[08:05] <pitti> how was you'rs?
[08:05] <pitti> your's
[08:06] <didrocks> pitti: nice too, a lot of walk in Paris :)
[08:11] <robert_ancell> pitti, no, it's in main
[08:13] <pitti> robert_ancell: but it's already installed by default
[08:13] <pitti> robert_ancell: and ubuntu-desktop pulls it in
[08:15] <robert_ancell> pitti, I think it needs to be added to the ubuntu-desktop whitelist
[08:15] <pitti> robert_ancell: oh, you mean for team upload, not seed
[08:15] <robert_ancell> yeah
[08:15] <pitti> robert_ancell: probably some other desktop uses it as well
[08:16] <pitti> robert_ancell: can you please ping cjwatson about it?
[08:16] <robert_ancell> thanks, couldn't remember who was doing it
[08:16] <TheMuso> xubuntu uses it as well as studio.
[08:16] <TheMuso> and ubuntu netbook
[08:17] <TheMuso> at least in lucid.
[08:22] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: were you building gconf in a chroot at all? Without having delved deeper, I still don't know why I gt an FTBFs as above.
[08:23] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, I've uploaded it to a PPA to see what happens there
[08:23] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: ok
[08:35] <glatzor> hello mvo
[08:35] <mvo> hey glatzor!
[08:40] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, fixed gconf, can you try again?
[08:41] <didrocks> good morning glatzor, mvo (and robert_ancell ;))
[08:41] <seb128> hey didrocks robert_ancell
[08:41] <robert_ancell> hello
[08:41] <mvo> hey didrocks and robert_ancell and seb128
[08:41] <pitti> bonjour seb128, guten Morgen mvo
[08:42] <pitti> urgh, I didn't mean to scare you
[08:42] <mvo> hey pitti
[08:42] <mvo> heh :)
[08:42] <didrocks> good morning seb128
[08:42] <seb128> wrong click
[08:42] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[08:42] <seb128> hey mvo pitti
[08:43] <glatzor> hello didrocks
[08:43] <didrocks> mvo: FYI, I have pushed this week-end a new version of oneconf-query using an undocumented desktopcouch function (batch_update) which help for first update (from more than 1min to less than 1s)
[08:43] <seb128> getting coffee, back in a bit
[08:45] <mvo> didrocks: sweet
[08:45] <mvo> didrocks: that is great news
[08:45] <didrocks> mvo: yes ;) I'll finish later today the metapackage handling and I think it's done for the CLI part. Will add the dbus backend this week, I hope
[08:47] <mvo> ok
[08:47] <mvo> I'm doing a mini sprint this week with arne to improve language-selector
[08:47] <mvo> so I won't have much time (unfortunately) for it
[08:48] <didrocks> mvo: no pb. I have no blocker right now :)
[08:48] <didrocks> mvo: enjoy your mini sprint!
[08:48] <mvo> it starts tomorrow :)
[08:48] <mvo> (mini-mini :)
[08:50] <seb128> reboot brb
[08:51] <didrocks> heh :)
[09:17] <mvo> chrisccoulson: hey! if you have a moment, can you help me with a NM releated question?
[09:53] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[09:54] <chrisccoulson> hey mvo
[09:54] <mvo> hey chrisccoulson
[09:56] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson, how are you?
[09:56] <didrocks> good morning chrisccoulson
[09:56] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128, i'm good thanks. did you enjoy your long weekend?
[09:56] <chrisccoulson> hey didrocks, how are you too?
[09:57] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I'm fine after a good week-end :)
[09:57] <seb128> yes, very nice weather and relaxing weekend
[09:58] <chrisccoulson> you had nice weather too? it was quite hot here at the weekend
[09:59] <seb128> yes, summer weather
[10:00] <chrisccoulson> we had 2 whole days of summer weather at the weekend, which probably means that summer is finished for us until next year ;)
[10:00] <seb128> lol
[10:20] <huats> morning
[10:41] <pitti> chrisccoulson: good morning, how are you?
[10:41] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, i'm good thanks. how are you?
[10:41] <pitti> I'm great, thanks
[10:54] <fta> bratsche, (in case you missed it yesterday) the c-s-d patch in gtk also breaks acroread in the partner's repo
[10:54] <seb128> fta, he's sleeping
[10:55] <seb128> it's middle of night for him now
[10:55] <fta> oh, which TZ?
[10:55] <seb128> Dallas
[10:55] <fta> ok, thanks
[11:39] <seb128> fta, is anybody still using jaunty?
[11:39] <fta> seb128, why?
[11:39] <seb128> fta, you are blocking a ppa builder for hours building chromium dailies for jaunty
[11:40] <seb128> I think we could make better use of that ppa builder ;-)
[11:40] <seb128> ie I'm waiting for some builds for an hours and looked at what was blocking builds
[11:40] <fta> seb128, (i often get user requests for mozilla & chromium from jaunty users)
[11:40] <seb128> users are weird ;-)
[11:40] <seb128> why would anybody stay on jaunty
[11:42] <fta> seb128, well, chromium starts at 4am, but today, it ftbfsed and i fixed it this morning
[11:42] <seb128> ok
[11:42] <seb128> I've nothing against those daily build
[11:42] <seb128> it just seems the jaunty build is wasting cycles for almost nothing though
[11:42] <fta> seb128, iirc, lp shouldn't give me all the resources. something else is blocking too
[11:42] <seb128> I doubt many users are staying on an one year old non lts version
[11:43] <seb128> right it doesn't give you all the ressources but half of it
[11:43] <fta> i'm sill waiting for the ppa stats to see how many users each dist still has
[11:43] <seb128> which means the other stack of build is taking double time ;-)
[11:43] <seb128> anyway I don't want to argue
[11:44] <seb128> I just doubt there is many people still running jaunty
[11:44] <seb128> it wasn't our best version, it's one year old and it's not a lts
[11:44] <seb128> so it seems costy in build time for a few users only
[11:46] <fta> if i stop running the testsuite, i could shrink the build time from 2h to ~30m
[11:47] <seb128> if you think you have users on jaunty don't bother about my comment
[11:47] <seb128> I though it was a leftover
[11:47] <seb128> I'm just surprised that anybody still rely on it
[11:48] <fta> well, i really have no idea, i just see the users complains i get in my mbox when the builds fail for more than a few days
[11:48] <seb128> ups
[11:48] <fta> i need to check the status of bug 139855
[11:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 139855 in soyuz (and 2 other projects) "Display stats about PPA usage (affects: 19) (dups: 1) (heat: 156)" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/139855
[11:48] <seb128> well you will see 3 jaunty user complaining I guess
[11:49] <seb128> where you might creating issue for some thousand users waiting on builds for versions actually used ;-)
[11:49] <seb128> ie lucid or maverick
[11:51] <fta> most of the time, noone complains. when there's a mass-rebuild, i usually stop all my dailies until it clears out
[11:51] <seb128> ok
[11:52] <seb128> other users probably just wait the hour without complaining about the useless jaunty builds blocking a builder ;-)
[11:52] <seb128> anyway lunch time
[11:52] <seb128> bbl
[11:54] <Laney> so I uploaded f-spot 0.6.2 yesterday. What should happen with the SRU?
[12:28] <seb128> Laney, hey
[12:28] <seb128> Laney, somebody should work on it? ;-)
[12:29] <seb128> Laney, we need to lower changes for the sru so we can't use the maverick version, we want to update the lucid one without packaging changes
[12:29] <seb128> there is quite some changes there for a stable update though it seems
[12:46] <seb128> mvo, update-notifier displays a notification area icon again in maverick it seems
[12:46] <mvo> seb128: oh? I did not upload it, maybe it got synced via debian?
[12:46] <seb128> mvo, indeed it did
[12:47] <mvo> seb128: I check it out
[12:48] <seb128> "  * Show the tray icon instead of running update-manager (Closes: #578717),"
[12:48] <seb128> "    the update-manager mode does not even work currently due to Bug#579789."
[12:48] <seb128> mvo, ^ in the current Debian revision
[12:50] <mvo> seb128: yeah, just saw itI will upload a new version in a little bit I think
[12:50] <mvo> and see what changes debian has that are worth taking
[12:51] <seb128> mvo, no hurry I was just mentioning it because I noticed on my mini which I use as a testbox ;-)
[12:52] <mvo> ok :)
[12:55] <Laney> I don't know if even just the upstream changes would be alright
[12:55] <Laney> can someone take a look at those?
[13:01] <seb128> Laney, it seems to be quite some changes to me
[13:01] <Laney> yes indeed
[13:02] <seb128> I guess we could either go with backporting fixes or trying to get the versions in lucid-proposed for a while
[13:02] <Laney> which is why I don't know if it'll go into lucid at all
[13:02] <seb128> would be nice to have pitti or somebody from the sru team to comment on it
[13:02] <seb128> do you have a simplified debdiff online somewhere?
[13:02] <seb128> ie one without autotools noise, translations, etc
[13:09] <Laney> http://people.ubuntu.com/~laney/fspot.diff
[13:09] <Laney> it's large due to stuff like removing Mono.Addins which we never linked against anyway
[13:09] <Laney> seb128, pitti: ^
[13:10] <seb128> Laney, can you filter that out from the debdiff too?
[13:11] <seb128> let me look at it there
[13:14] <seb128> Laney, seems too many changes for a sru in my opinion
[13:16] <Laney> I updated the diff
[13:16] <Laney> but yes it likely is
[13:18] <seb128> Laney, I think I would rather work by backporting fixes for some of the issues in launchpad
[13:23] <pitti> I agree, this is really intrusive
[14:26] <rickspencer3> seb128, I renamed the meeting page with the proper date: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2010-05-25
[14:27] <seb128> hey rickspencer3
[14:27] <seb128> good, I double checked my calender I was wondering if my computer was on the wrong day ;-)
[14:29] <didrocks> I just refreshed the page before posting and was quite surprized to see it gone :)
[14:30]  * kenvandine should refresh :)
[14:33] <rickspencer3> oops
[14:33] <rickspencer3> hope I didn't blow away anyone's data
[14:33] <didrocks> kenvandine: btw, if you do batch insert to desktopcouch, you should really consider put_records_batch
[14:33] <didrocks> rickspencer3: not for me, it was refreshing before copy and paste :)
[14:33] <kenvandine> didrocks, did you find docs?
[14:33] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, not yet...
[14:33] <kenvandine> :)
[14:34] <didrocks> kenvandine: no, but it's easy to use: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~didrocks/+junk/oneconf/revision/7
[14:34] <didrocks> kenvandine: just a list of Records
[14:34] <didrocks> kenvandine: for 1700 entries it goes for more than 1min here to less than 1s :)
[14:35] <kenvandine> woot
[14:35] <kenvandine> so it is a list of json strings?
[14:36] <kenvandine> oh
[14:36] <kenvandine> a list of CouchRecord objects
[14:36] <didrocks> kenvandine: yes
[14:36] <kenvandine> sweet
[14:36]  * kenvandine thinks there should really be docs :)
[14:39] <seb128> hey ayan
[14:39] <seb128> welcome
[14:39] <ayan> hello seb!
[14:40] <seb128> everybody, ayan has started recently in the hwe team and is going to do gtk work there
[14:40] <seb128> he doesn't have too much on his plate yet and he might be helping us for a bit
[14:40] <seb128> so he can see how Ubuntu works and get started on some gtk bugs, etc
[14:41] <ayan> hello everyone!
[14:45] <didrocks> hey ayan
[14:45] <didrocks> ayan: welcome to the team :)
[14:45] <ayan> hi!  thanks. :)
[14:46] <didrocks> seb128: so, gtk + compiz ? ;)
[14:46] <seb128> lol
[14:46] <seb128> didrocks, no compiz, he's not in our team ;-)
[14:46] <seb128> ayan, don't be scared, it's a desktop team tradition, new comers get to maintain compiz
[14:46] <seb128> ;-)
[14:46] <didrocks> urgh, too bad for robert_ancell I guess :)
[14:46] <seb128> lol
[14:47] <mvo> hey ayan, welcome
[14:48] <seb128> bratsche_, bratsche: hey
[14:49] <mvo> seb128: if you source NEW sessioninstaller you can have packagekit session goodness now
[14:49] <seb128> bratsche_, bratsche: ayan will be doing gtk work for the hwe team
[14:49] <seb128> I've pointed you as a good contact point if he has questions to get started ;-)
[14:49] <seb128> mvo, oh, nice
[14:50] <ayan> lol
[14:51] <ayan> seb128: lets start with the compiz problems i have on *my* machine.
[14:51] <seb128> ;-)
[14:52] <pitti> seb128: do you know a good function to grep for to check whether/how a program properly registers to gnome-session?
[14:53] <seb128> pitti, grep smclient?
[14:54] <seb128> pitti, g_option_context_add_group (context, egg_sm_client_get_option_group ());
[14:55] <seb128> is what most GNOME softwares do
[14:55] <pitti> oh, seems it's a d-bus call to org.gnome.SessionManager.RegisterClient() ?
[14:55] <pitti> seb128: cheers
[14:55]  * pitti looked at gpm which apparently does the d-bus call manually
[14:55] <seb128> pitti, I don't know of anything using the dbus api
[14:55] <chrisccoulson> pitti - it depends, EggSmClient has a dbus and xsmp backend
[14:56] <pitti> right, so n-l-efl doesn't seem to register to gnome-session at all, that explains why panel and friends only start after some 10 s
[14:56] <pitti> chrisccoulson, seb128: thanks
[14:56] <bratsche> Hi ayan
[14:57] <ogra> pitti, note that there is effort to get away from gnome with the efl launcher in maverick
[14:57] <seb128> ogra, away from GNOME to what?
[14:57] <pitti> ogra: *nod*
[14:57] <ogra> seb128, a plain gtk container as panel replacement plus the indicators hooked into that
[14:58] <ogra> DX calls it upanel
[14:58] <seb128> well I guess it depends what you call GNOME
[14:58] <ogra> seb128, if i had finished writing the spec i could point you to it :)
[14:58] <seb128> do you still plan to use gdm or gnome-session?
[14:59] <ogra> seb128, gdm -> most likely since we dont have any replacement, -session, not sure
[14:59] <ogra> likely the minimal one from gdm
[14:59] <ogra> not a full gnome-session
[15:02]  * tremolux waves hello to ayan
[15:19] <pitti> hey tremolux
[15:20] <tremolux> pitti: hiya!
[15:20] <pitti> tremolux: thanks for the time zone investigations; seems this bug is invalid then?
[15:22] <tremolux> pitti: you mean based on the reply on the mailing list?  it *seems* so
[15:26] <tremolux> pitti: seems like I can attach that reply to the bug and set everything back to "fix released", and if "Guria" comments again we can consider reopening, does that sound correct?
[15:28] <pitti> tremolux: right, although I'd close it as invalid, not fixreleased
[15:28] <pitti> since we didn't actually change anything for this
[15:30] <tremolux> pitti:  sounds good (I was only thinking fix released because the actual bug itself was fix released, before the comment and reopening)
[15:30] <pitti> tremolux: ah, right, it was an old bug; right, fixreleased is appropriate then
[15:31] <tremolux> pitti: ok, will do, thx!
[15:32] <mvo> seb128: new gtk breaks emacs in gtk made badly - known issue?
[15:33] <seb128> bratsche: ^
[15:33] <seb128> mvo, yes, there is a bug open, it's rgba
[15:33] <seb128> you can export some variable
[15:33] <seb128> it's in the bug
[15:34] <bratsche> mvo: Yeah I was trying to get a stacktrace of emacs but it just exits.
[15:35] <bratsche> But I did a quick grep through emacs source for gtk colormap related stuff and there's nothing really standing out that seems relevant. :/
[15:36] <mvo> hm, is that a gnome bz or a Lp bug?
[15:36] <mvo> I want to find it to apply the workaround
[15:37] <bratsche> https://launchpad.net/bugs/585196
[15:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 585196 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "emacs fails to start: X protocol error (affects: 4) (heat: 22)" [Low,New]
[15:37] <mvo> thanks
[15:38] <mvo> low? not for emacs users ;)
[15:38] <seb128> mvo, I tend to not bother much about settings so early in maverick especially when you can export a variable to workaround the issue
[15:39] <seb128> ;-)
[15:39] <mvo> its ok, I saw a file overwrite error set to low as well recently ;)
[15:39] <seb128> lol
[15:39] <seb128> update-manager ignore those
[15:39] <seb128> so it's low too :p
[15:40] <mvo> I see :P I should switch teams, that would dramatically reduce my bug count ;)
[15:40] <seb128> lol
[15:41] <scott-work> hello all, the ubuntu studio devs were wondering if removing a patch for network-admin would present a regression for vanilla ubuntu desktop users
[15:41] <scott-work> bug #570828
[15:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 570828 in gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) "gnome-network-admin on UbuntuStudio doesnt allow to configure either wired networks or wireless (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 34)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/570828
[15:41] <scott-work> i don't think that network-admin is installed by default for a desktop installation, so i didn't think this would really present a regression
[15:41] <mvo> seb128, bratsche: thanks for the workaround, I have a working emacs again \o/
[15:48] <rickspencer3> tremolux, hey, I think you told me this, but to double check:
[15:48] <rickspencer3> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-maverick-opportunistic-apps-stable-release
[15:48] <rickspencer3> has no work items for us because you are tracking them on the other software-center blueprints?
[15:49] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - re bug 439448 - i've been running gnome-panel for a few days now with GDK_NATIVE_WINDOWS, and i haven't seen any more problems yet (but i don't know if that's just a coincidence or not)
[15:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 439448 in gnome-panel (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "visual corruption affecting several panel applets (affects: 113) (dups: 35) (heat: 834)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/439448
[15:49] <seb128> oh, gtk bug?
[15:49] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure. but it might be that i just haven't ran it for long enough yet
[15:49] <chrisccoulson> how often do you see it?
[15:49] <seb128> once a week
[15:50] <tremolux> rickspencer3: heya, actually, there are work items at the bottom
[15:50] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure if you want to try the same for a week or so to see if it goes away
[15:50] <rickspencer3> oh?
[15:50] <seb128> chrisccoulson, maybe comment on the bug saying how to try that and see if some users who get the issue can try?N
[15:50] <rickspencer3> hmmm
[15:50] <seb128> chrisccoulson, maybe comment on the bug saying how to try that and see if some users who get the issue can try?
[15:50] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, can do
[15:50] <seb128> chrisccoulson, thanks
[15:51] <rickspencer3> tremolux, they aren't showing up here for some reason: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-desktop-team-maverick-alpha-2.html
[15:52] <seb128> rickspencer3, the spec has no assignee
[15:52] <rickspencer3> aha
[15:52] <seb128> rickspencer3, so you need names on those lines or an assignee for items to be listed
[15:53] <rickspencer3> ok, I assigned it to tremolux
[15:53] <tremolux> rickspencer3, seb128: yes, only my one work item there shows up (because I called out myself as the assignee)
[15:53] <rickspencer3> oh, I see
[15:53] <rickspencer3> the others are not on our team
[15:53] <rickspencer3> that makes total sense
[15:53] <rickspencer3> in other words, I was being a dope
[15:53] <tremolux> rickspencer3: haha  :)
[15:54] <rickspencer3> I'm a bit concerned that the community team hasn't made progress on the policy front
[15:54] <rickspencer3> I'll ping jono about that when he gets online
[15:55] <tremolux> rickspencer3: oh, I noticed something about https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-maverick-buy-something
[15:55] <rickspencer3> yes?
[15:55] <tremolux> rickspencer3: yesterday I had further broken out items for alpha-2 and alpha-3
[15:55] <tremolux> but I notice that the change I made was reverted
[15:55] <rickspencer3> hmmm
[15:55] <tremolux> rickspencer3:  8 minutes later
[15:56] <rickspencer3> I dunno, I didn't do that, at least not on purpose
[15:56] <tremolux> rickspencer3: it's ok, I think it was when you updated the series goal to maverick
[15:56] <tremolux> rickspencer3: so, as long as it wasn't on purpose (which is why I am checking), I'll just change it back
[15:57] <tremolux> rickspencer3: I think we just clobbered each other accidentally
[15:57] <rickspencer3> thanks tremolux
[15:57] <rickspencer3> sorry
[15:58] <tremolux> rickspencer3: oh np!
[15:58] <tremolux> rickspencer3: it's funny, it's not exactly a wiki though it tries to act like one  ;)
[15:59] <tremolux> rickspencer3: no warning of editing, separate "body" vs. whiteboard
[16:19] <mvo> kenvandine: have you seen this error here from gwibber before? http://paste.ubuntu.com/439399/
[16:19] <kenvandine> mvo, yes... fixed in trunk
[16:20] <mvo> aha, cool
[16:20] <mvo> thanks
[16:20] <kenvandine> i'll get an upload done soon with that fix :)
[16:20] <mvo> thanks :)
[16:28] <desrt> so is launchpad doing some creepy tracking of bugzilla/gnome-git these days?
[16:29]  * desrt has unexpected karma
[16:30] <Laney> you can see where it came from by clicking on it IIRC
[16:30] <desrt> right.  just says "Revision added" lots of times
[16:30] <desrt> no further details
[16:31] <Laney> ooer, not sure what that means
[16:31] <Laney> perhaps a vcs import from gnome git
[16:31] <desrt> ya.  i just find it a bit freaky that it's smart enough to link me with my upstream self :)
[16:32] <Laney> do you have the same email address registered?
[16:32] <desrt> nope
[16:32] <desrt> different user id too
[16:32]  * Laney backs away slowly
[16:32] <desrt> realname is the same, but that's about it
[17:29] <rickspencer3> ArneGoetje, bryceh, didrocks, kenvandine, pitti, Riddell, seb128 team meeting in 1 minute
[17:29] <rickspencer3> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2010-05-25
[17:29]  * ArneGoetje waves
[17:30] <chrisccoulson> and me? ;)
[17:30] <seb128> hey
[17:30] <didrocks> hey o/
[17:30] <rickspencer3> hi chrisccoulson, yes and you ;)
[17:30] <chrisccoulson> ooh, i didn't do my activity report :(
[17:30] <bryceh> hi rickspencer3, do you need me for the meeting?
[17:30] <rickspencer3> bryceh, meh, I was just letting you know
[17:30] <rickspencer3> probably don't need you for anything
[17:30] <bryceh> ah ok
[17:31] <rickspencer3> everyone ready to go?
[17:31] <bryceh> just had lp team meeting and another meeting in 30 so I'll just be a lurker here
[17:31] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, anything for partner update?
[17:31] <Riddell> hi
[17:31] <rickspencer3> tremolux, team meeting is now, btw
[17:32] <rickspencer3> I'll take that as a "no"
[17:32] <rickspencer3> Riddell, anything for a Kubuntu update?
[17:32]  * kenvandine waves
[17:32]  * tremolux waves too
[17:32] <kenvandine> partner update?
[17:32] <rickspencer3> ah, now I've created resource contention
[17:32] <kenvandine> :)
[17:32] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, yeah
[17:33] <rickspencer3> are Dx and U1 done their A2 planning, for example?
[17:33] <kenvandine> no... U1 will have all their WIs added this week
[17:33] <rickspencer3> http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/ubuntuone-hackers-maverick-alpha-2.html
[17:33] <rickspencer3> http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-dx-team-maverick-alpha-2.html
[17:33] <kenvandine> DX i am more worried about, they have a bunch of blueprints that are assigned to the team and not approved
[17:33] <kenvandine> i need to talk to dbarth, but he is out again today
[17:34] <seb128> dbarth will be back tomorrow
[17:34] <kenvandine> yeah
[17:34] <seb128> which specs are you concerned about?
[17:34] <kenvandine> so we need to get that under
[17:34] <rickspencer3> dang it, I thought they were going to get these done by last Friday
[17:34] <kenvandine> well most of the ones for dx-m- aren't approved or assigned to an individual
[17:34] <kenvandine> seb128, so i don't know which ones will end up approved
[17:34] <seb128> http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-dx-team-maverick-alpha-2.html seems to have a good summary
[17:34] <kenvandine> seb128, perhaps you know
[17:35] <seb128> well if you tell me which one you are concerned about I can tell you if I know about it ;-)
[17:35] <kenvandine> seb128, ok, after the meeting
[17:35] <seb128> ok
[17:35] <kenvandine> i just did a search for dx-m- and was alarmed that most are "unapproved" and not assigned to an individual
[17:35] <kenvandine> maybe most of them aren't in scope...
[17:36] <kenvandine> anyway
[17:36] <kenvandine> we need to get that nailed down
[17:36] <rickspencer3> ACTION: kenvandine to clarify with Dx what is in scope for A2
[17:36] <kenvandine> good news is that U1 will do weekly releases this cycle
[17:36] <kenvandine> probably on tuesdays
[17:36] <rickspencer3> kewl!
[17:36] <kenvandine> starting next week
[17:36] <rickspencer3> great job kenvandine
[17:36] <kenvandine> there will be DX releases this thursday
[17:37] <kenvandine> that is it for partner update
[17:37] <rickspencer3> thanks kenvandine
[17:37] <rickspencer3> Riddell, Kubuntu update?
[17:37] <Riddell>  * merges mostly done
[17:37] <Riddell>  * qt 4.7 in, split up slightly, arm build timing out :(
[17:37] <Riddell>  * KDE SC 4.5 beta being packaged
[17:37] <Riddell>  * kubuntu.org update blocked on sysadmins
[17:37] <Riddell>  * https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo starting to get coloured in
[17:37] <Riddell> I added alpha 2 targets to that Todo page
[17:37] <Riddell> not sure if a burndown chart will magically appear somewhere as a result
[17:38] <rickspencer3> ACTION: Riddell to ask pitti about creating Kubuntu burndown charts
[17:38] <pitti> hm, they should be
[17:38] <rickspencer3> ACTION: rickspencer3 to poke squinky about kubuntu.org
[17:39] <rickspencer3> Riddell, thanks for the update, looks like a tight turnaround for the Kubuntu team from UDS -> work started
[17:39] <pitti> http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/kubuntu-dev.html
[17:39] <pitti> rickspencer3, Riddell ^
[17:39] <pitti> (per-milestone pages exist, too)
[17:40] <rickspencer3> son of a gun
[17:40] <rickspencer3> thanks pitti
[17:40] <rickspencer3> next on the agenda is Self and peer assessments
[17:40] <rickspencer3> so self assesments *are* due today
[17:40] <bratsche> seb128, mvo: I think I have a proper patch for the emacs23 issue on gtk.  I'm rebuilding emacs now, will test after lunch.
[17:40] <rickspencer3> but for peer assesments, you only need to invite people, not actually do them
[17:40] <rickspencer3> thanks to tremolux for catching my error there
[17:40] <rickspencer3> any questions about HR stuff?
[17:40] <seb128> bratsche: ok, good, having to fix the software is not great though, we don't have access to ie flash source
[17:41] <Riddell> beware of timeouts on the review website
[17:41] <tremolux> ouch, yes
[17:41] <rickspencer3> heh
[17:41]  * kenvandine got a big crash screen... but it seemed to work :)
[17:41] <rickspencer3> yeah, write your stuff in an editor, make sure it fits the ma character count
[17:41] <bratsche> seb128: Right.. I think maybe something can be done with the XEmbed code in Chromium though.  I'll talk to Evan Martin from Google if I can't figure out a way to fix it.
[17:41] <rickspencer3> and then past it in and submit
[17:42] <bratsche> seb128: Otherwise I guess we'd have to disable rgba on Chromium, which sucks and kind of defeats the purpose of all of this in a way. :)
[17:42] <rickspencer3> bratsche, seb128 could I ask you guys to take it to PM until after our meeting? we're going to be done soon
[17:42] <Riddell> rickspencer3: do you know if we can file a bug report with somebody about that?
[17:42] <bratsche> Sorry.
[17:42] <seb128> rickspencer3, yes, sorry
[17:42] <rickspencer3> bratsche don't be sorry, its all good
[17:42] <rickspencer3> Riddell, uh, I don't know
[17:43] <rickspencer3> It's a well known issue, and I think your energy will be better spent working around it ;)
[17:43] <rickspencer3> otherwise, maybe ping dgoggin?
[17:43] <rickspencer3> ok, on to release status?
[17:43] <rickspencer3> I haven't looked at Maverick bugs yet, so we'll just skip that for this week ;)
[17:44] <rickspencer3> I *think* our blueprints are substantially done, and work items identified
[17:44] <rickspencer3> are there any blueprints that should be, but are not, showing up here:
[17:44] <rickspencer3> http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-desktop-team-maverick-alpha-2.html
[17:45] <seb128> (it's too early to look at bugs anyway or rather to start tracking those)
[17:45] <ArneGoetje> rickspencer3: mine will be ready by eow (after sprinting with mvo and meeting with michaelforrest)
[17:46] <rickspencer3> ArneGoetje, ack
[17:46] <rickspencer3> seb128, do you feel that the blueprints are substantially complete?
[17:46] <seb128> rickspencer3, yes
[17:47] <seb128> I've been looking to the UDS topics and the registered blueprints for the meeting we had
[17:47] <rickspencer3> sweet!
[17:47] <rickspencer3> so it's Tuesday
[17:47] <seb128> the current list seems to be good
[17:47] <rickspencer3> basically, it took us 6.5 working days to get to this state
[17:47] <rickspencer3> that's quite good, I think
[17:48] <rickspencer3> in terms of turn around from UDS to starting real work
[17:48] <rickspencer3> perhaps we can shoot for 5 days in m + 1?
[17:48] <rickspencer3> and maybe work a bit tighter with out partners
[17:49] <tremolux> yes, that's the trickiest bit
[17:49] <rickspencer3> 2 questions occurred to me when I was looking through the specs
[17:49] <rickspencer3> #1 Are there patches for chromium that should be in the distro (make sqllite, gtk, etc... go faster?)
[17:49] <rickspencer3> like, if these chromium takes these patches to make chromium better, any reason we wouldn't take those into the distro?
[17:49] <rickspencer3> I don't want an answer now, but would someone like to take the lead to answer this question for our next meeting?
[17:50] <seb128> I think the chromium guys try to get their changes upstream but yeah, worth investigating
[17:51] <seb128> chrisccoulson, maybe you could have a look to that?
[17:51] <rickspencer3> seb128, right, but there is a long turn around
[17:51] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, no problem. i'll try and figure out what changes they carry
[17:51] <rickspencer3> thanks chrisccoulson
[17:52] <rickspencer3> ACTION: chrisccoulson to investigate any chromium changes appropriate for the distro
[17:52] <rickspencer3> #2 how to make Qt apps run nicer on Ubuntu?
[17:52] <rickspencer3> I installed parley last night, and it works, but has terrible integration
[17:52] <rickspencer3> Qt is quite catching on, and I think we'll see more and more people want to run Qt apps on Ubuntu
[17:53] <rickspencer3> I'm wondering if there is something we can do to improve integration
[17:53] <rickspencer3> anyone interested in investigating for next week?
[17:53] <didrocks> (I'm interested but not sure I have the time right now for next week)
[17:54] <rickspencer3> yes, you are quite loaded with work for the next two weeks
[17:54] <rickspencer3> didrocks, can we carry this over to next week, perhaps you or someone else will be interested then
[17:54] <rickspencer3> seb128, sound ok?
[17:54] <didrocks> rickspencer3: sure
[17:55] <seb128> rickspencer3, you want to investigate what option the qt world gives there? or work to do?
[17:55] <rickspencer3> seb128, I want to know what work we could do to make Qt apps look like they just "fit in" to our desktop
[17:55] <rickspencer3> currently, they stand out, some badly
[17:55] <seb128> I would suggest that those who know better about qt are kubuntu guys, ie Riddell
[17:56] <rickspencer3> Riddell, can you take a look? it would entail installing Ubuntu ;)
[17:56] <Riddell> as ever in these cases kubuntu guys are unlikiely to care about ubuntu desktops (just as I've never noticed ubuntu desktop people caring about how gtk looks horrible on kubuntu)
[17:56] <seb128> Riddell, I do know that there is a qtk-gt-engine though
[17:56] <rickspencer3> right, it's not symetric
[17:56] <seb128> it has been creating quite some bugs :-p
[17:56] <Riddell> seb128: we dropped that two releases ago :)
[17:57] <rickspencer3> we care about Qt running on Gnome, but not about Gtk tunning on KDE
[17:57] <rickspencer3> ok, I'll keep it open until next week
[17:57] <seb128> rickspencer3, right, I was just pointing that if I know about this maybe somebody in kubuntu knows about something similar for qt
[17:57] <rickspencer3> after that, i'll have to assign it to someone
[17:57] <rickspencer3> (if no one volunteers)
[17:57] <seb128> ok
[17:57] <rickspencer3> probably for A3
[17:58] <Riddell> qt should have a built in theme for gnome, possibly it doesn't get used by kde apps
[17:58] <rickspencer3> I think everyone has work items planned out for A2, so it won't fit now, anyway
[17:58] <seb128> right, it also doesn't seem something which need to be done early in the cycle
[17:58] <seb128> a3 seems good enough
[17:58] <rickspencer3> any other business?
[17:59] <rickspencer3> well well well
[17:59] <rickspencer3> I guess we are really ready to rock Maverick!
[17:59] <kenvandine> :)
[17:59] <rickspencer3> I'll call that a wrap then
[17:59]  * rickspencer3 taps gavel
[17:59] <tremolux> haha  \o/
[18:00] <rickspencer3> thanks all, this really is a rocking team, maverick is going to raise the bar, yet again!
[18:00] <seb128> thanks rickspencer3
[18:00] <didrocks> thanks rickspencer3 ;)
[18:00] <ArneGoetje> thanks
[18:01] <pitti> go, desktop team,  go!
[18:02] <seb128> pitti, ;-)
[19:15] <Jasraj> hello everyone
[19:15] <Jasraj> I am new to ubuntu
[19:16] <Jasraj> installed a 64 bit version today
[19:16] <Jasraj> facing problem with display drivers
[19:16] <Jasraj> anyone to help me out?
[19:17] <Jasraj> no one?
[19:30] <Gianna_Parry> hi everyone!
[19:30] <Gianna_Parry> i'm looking to help out
[19:32] <rickspencer3> hi Gianna_Parry
[19:33] <rickspencer3> welcome
[19:35] <didrocks> rickspencer3: seem you were not convincing enough :)
[19:38] <rickspencer3> :/
[19:54] <dieki> I notice that the software center wiki page talks of purchasing software. Will this be like Apple's App Store where anybody can submit something for consideration and approval, or will it just be a few things like DVD players, MP3 codecs, etc. provided by Canonical or Canonical parteners?
[19:55] <mvo> can we make apport not pop up a gazillion times when multiple crashes are pending?
[19:55] <dieki> I'm hoping for an App Store...
[20:06] <dieki> Anybody know which way the Software Center will be?
[20:06] <dieki> Or is that not to be publicly revealed yet...
[20:29] <dieki> Hm. Either nobody knows, or else nobody is interested in saying anything...
[20:29] <dieki> (Or perhaps this is the wrong place to ask?)
[20:39] <pitti> good night everyone!
[20:41] <dieki> I notice that the software center wiki page talks of purchasing software.
[20:41] <dieki> +Will this be like Apple's App Store where anybody can submit something for
[20:41] <dieki> +consideration and approval, or will it just be a few things like DVD players,
[20:41] <dieki> +MP3 codecs, etc. provided by Canonical or Canonical parteners?
[21:14] <andreserl> rickspencer3, could you please "approve": https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-maverick-testdrive-frontend-gsoc ? thank you!!
[21:26] <rickspencer3> andreserl, done
[21:27] <andreserl> rickspencer3, thank you :)
[21:27] <rickspencer3> np
[22:44] <ayan> 3~/names
[23:32] <TheMuso> Good morning all.
[23:33] <fagan> good morning TheMuso
[23:42] <ccheney> while away at server sprint apparently my air conditioning at home broke down, not good :-\
[23:43]  * ccheney hopes a breaker just threw
[23:43] <fagan> ccheney: wow could it cause any damage. /me doesnt know anything about air con. Ireland is too cold for people to get it
[23:45] <fagan> Actually the air con made me feel really weird at UDS Dallas I had to go outside for air every few hours because I didnt feel to well.
[23:45] <ccheney> fagan: yea and i'm doing lots of OOo builds for an upcoming release, hopefully it won't melt down
[23:46] <ccheney> its in the mid 30Cs where i live
[23:46] <fagan> ccheney: well we would hit 30C about 1 time every 3 years
[23:46] <fagan> ish
[23:46] <ccheney> fagan: it gets up to the high 40Cs where I live in Jul/Aug
[23:47] <ccheney> with lots of humidity :-(
[23:47] <fagan> I couldnt live with that
[23:47]  * ccheney hopes its just a breaker that needs reset
[23:47]  * fagan hopes so too so ccheney doesnt melt
[23:48] <ccheney> heh
[23:48] <ccheney> i won't be back until fri but my wife is 9mo pregnant and at home in the heat :(
[23:48] <fagan> Ooh thats not good
[23:49] <fagan> hopefully it will have an easy fix
[23:49] <ccheney> yea
[23:51] <fagan> morning RAOF
[23:51] <RAOF> Good morning.
[23:53]  * fagan goes to bed
[23:53] <rickspencer3> hey RAOF
[23:54] <rickspencer3> RAOF, could you please answer that email from Yingying in the next 60 minutes?
[23:54] <RAOF> Hey rickspencer3
[23:54] <rickspencer3> I have a call with her later tonight
[23:54] <RAOF> Ok, certainly.
[23:59]  * TheMuso will brb in a couple of mins.