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slangasekrascal999: you can't run an upstart-managed service in a chroot00:05
rascal999slangasek: i'm not00:11
rascal999it's a vm, that's the only difference00:11
slangasekrascal999: if you're not running in a chroot, why is /sbin/initctl a "Fake initctl"?  That's not the behavior of the upstart package shipped in Ubuntu00:13
progre55hi guys. I've got a core 2 duo, and my second CPU has been showing "0% usage" for a while now.. I'm kinda concerned.. any suggestions, please?00:25
SpamapSprogre55: start a bunch of CPU hungry stuff... gzip -c /dev/zero > /dev/null works. ;)00:29
progre55SpamapS: only 1 CPU shows 99-100% and the other one is still 0%00:31
SpamapSprogre55: weird00:45
progre55SpamapS: oh, nvm. apparently it was the widget that went wrong.. I was using the system monitor widget to see the cpu usage, but htop shows that both cpu's are being used :)00:45
SpamapShaha indeed00:46
Riddelljames_w: did you do syncs yesterday?  they're not flushed01:04
Drakesoncould you please try and see if emacs23 works in current maverick? (e.g. do an "emacs -Q" and see if it appears)?01:45
DrakesonI am not sure if I broke my system or a library is changing01:46
Jayd3ewhat are the first steps one would have to take to start learning to become a developer?01:49
baddog_Drakeson, X protocol error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) on protocol request 201:50
baddog_Seems like it might be broke01:50
DrakesonJayd3e: the first one should be "find a project you would want to develop in"01:50
Drakesonbaddog_: thanks, I get the same error. Now I don't need to build yet another chroot to make sure :D01:51
baddog_:P01:51
* baddog_ goes to see if a bug is already there01:51
DrakesonI cannot even guess which library got updated since around May 21 that broke emacs01:52
* Drakeson whishes he know a dpkg equivalent of "git whatchanged"01:52
* baddog_ files a bug (first ever!)01:53
blue_annawhat would cause the session menu to not show on the login screen?01:57
RAOFDrakeson, baddog_: That's probably (more) fallout from the big GTK c-s-d/argb change.02:15
baddog_oooh.02:15
RAOFDrakeson: Also, /var/log/dpkg.log02:15
ScottKRAOF: Speaking of CSD, it seems very clear the kwin developers are firmly against it.  Is this something GTK is really comitted too or are they experimenting?  Do you know?02:17
RAOFScottK: A variety of people have been wanting it for some time (including X devs).  I think *we're* pretty committed to it, and I don't think there are any in-principle objections GTK-side.02:19
ScottKInteresting.02:20
ScottKIt seems like an odd thing for people wanting desktop consistency to want, but OK.02:20
DrakesonRAOF: thanks. So, is this emacs that should be patched to be prepared for client-side-deco or the gtk libs should just work?02:20
RAOFScottK: There's no reason why kwin people need to care at all; my understanding is that it'll only be switched on if the window manager says “hey, I can handle client-side-windows”.02:21
RAOFSorry, client-side-decorations.02:21
ScottKIt seems then like a lot of trouble for something that will always need a fallback position if c-s-d isn't supported.02:22
Drakesonhonestly, I am [only] a bit biased against CSD since I remember some nasty windows apps (like yahoo messenger) who happened to draw their aweful window decorations, too.  Hopefully this doesn't happen here ...02:23
RAOFDrakeson: That's already possible - csd in GTK would make that less likely, as there'd be a nice standardised interface.02:23
DrakesonRAOF: that's good to hear.02:25
DrakesonShould I try to patch emacs for now, or it is gtk libs that will have to get fixed ?02:26
RAOFI'd start by looking at emacs.02:26
DrakesonRAOF: I see, thanks02:26
kyle_could anyone tell me what to mount my partition at? I am installing over an old distro and have another  os on here already. I want to over write sda1 (ext2) I chose use as Ext2 file system and think the mount point should be "/" but am unsure. Advice?03:00
kyle_wait i think i am in the wrong node. Sorry03:01
ScottKkyle_: Yes.  You are.  You want #ubuntu.03:01
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baddog_emacs23 is complaining about not having makeinfo, which doesn't seem to be in the repos anywhere ._.06:44
baddog_on Maverick06:44
spivbaddog_: I think that's part of the texinfo package, which I don't think has changed since lucid?06:49
baddog_ooh. maybe06:49
* baddog_ is new to all this ^_^06:49
pittiGood morning08:02
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dholbachgood morning08:09
aramorning dholbach!08:12
dholbachhola ara!08:12
robert_ancellcjwatson, can you add gucharmap to the ubuntu-deskop upload list?08:16
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apwcan anyone point me to the wiki page which lists the support lifetimes for various bits of each series10:02
SwedeMikeseries, as in releases?10:03
lifelesshttp://www.ubuntu.com/products/ubuntu/release-cycle%2010:04
SwedeMikeit's actually on the first page of wiki.ubuntu.com, also first hit on google <ubuntu release schedule>10:04
cjwatsonalso for >=lucid: apt-cache show PACKAGENAME | grep ^Supported:10:06
apwlifeless, that is close, but it only carries the general life times.  somewhere there is a more specific page on lifetimes for each kernel variant etc10:06
apwcjwatson, yeah its jaunty that i am trying to find the same information10:06
lifelessapw: are the variants separated into server/desktop ?10:07
apwlifeless, no this is more detailed again, for arm branches and the like10:07
apwthere were some 20 or so lines in the table i think10:07
lifelessok, that I haven't seen - sorry10:07
cjwatsonmvo: can you see why e.g. lynx still has Supported: 5y for maverick?  I moved SUPPORTED_HINTS aside to SUPPORTED_HINTS.LTS in the platform.maverick seeds in an effort to make that go away, but it doesn't seem to have taken ...10:08
cjwatsonRiddell: the syncs were probably me - it was OK to flush them10:09
cjwatsonRiddell: oh, except for the way I imagine the flush partially failed because you didn't know to remove the syncs that will only work once my LP patch is rolled out :)10:10
cjwatsonso you can probably rm -rf sync-queue/rejected/jriddell-20100525-010510 as lp_queue10:11
* cjwatson starts another autosync pass10:12
mvocjwatson: let me have a look10:12
cjwatsonsmoser: FYI, if you follow up to an RT ticket to say "thanks", it reopens the ticket automatically ... I'm resolving RT#39454 again10:13
Chipzzcjwatson: the irony :)10:31
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ogracjwatson, pitti, i'd like to make bug 568736 an SRU because i plan to build the 10.07 image based on the lucid seed, i talked to slangasek already at UDS, he said he would be fine with it if another ubuntu-sru member agress (i want to ask in advance before i mark the bug SRU)13:08
ubottuError: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: list.index(x): x not in list (https://launchpad.net/bugs/568736)13:08
ogra(it requires a netbook-meta upload to take effect but its armel only13:09
ogra)13:09
cjwatsonogra: I'm fine with that change in an SRU13:12
ogragreat, thanks13:12
* ogra changes the bug then13:12
pittiasac, didrocks, StevenK: hm, seems the go-home-applet launches netbook-launcher instead of going back to n-l-efl?13:45
didrockspitti: that's weird, some people are telling that and others are telling it's working fine. I remember of an explicit fix from jamiebennet about it13:46
ograpitti, i thik thats a known bug13:46
ogradidrocks, i can confirm13:46
pittididrocks: do you see any reason why we need it at all? the standard "show desktop" applet seems to work just fine?13:46
ograit only happens though if your graphics card is actually composite capable13:47
pittiright, it is13:47
ograpitti, drag n drop features13:47
didrockspitti: well, this applet is a little bit more than "show desktop"13:47
ograit adds urls to the favorites if you drop them on the applet13:47
didrockspitti: if you drag and drop an url, it's added as a favorite13:47
* pitti disables DRI and checks agao13:47
didrocksok, ogra is faster than I :)13:47
ograheh13:47
ograpitti, mv /usr/bin/netbook-launcher /usr/bin/netbook-launcher.bak && ln -s /usr/bin/netbook-launcher-efl /usr/bin/netbook-launcher will fix the issue13:48
ograits ugly but works :)13:48
* pitti disabled the DRM udev rule13:49
pittiworks fine now, thanks13:49
ograproper solution wuld be to be able to uninstall netbook-launcher but there is a dependency issue13:49
pittiright, I'm just going to fix that to be an |13:49
ograit works then as well13:49
ograyeah :)13:49
pittibut I wanted to make sure that go-home-applet is useful for efl13:49
ograit is13:49
pitticheer!13:49
pittis13:49
ograthough with the new upanel i'm not sure it will still work :)13:50
ograwe're supposed to get a simple gtk container that replaces the panel and only provides hooks for the indicators13:50
pittididrocks: do you know if there's a packaging bzr for it? I only see an upstream trunk, and no vcs-bzr13:51
ogranot sure if an "applet" will work in that (it shouldnt since we dont want gnome deps)13:51
didrockspitti: no, I sometimes push directly to ubuntu/go-home-applet13:51
pittididrocks: that's fine, thanks13:52
pittiogra, didrocks: reading the code, it calls netbook-launcher directly; favourite d&d doesn't actually work13:54
ograaww13:55
pitti... with -efl, I mean13:55
didrockspitti: I don't know, I hadn't the time to test n-l-efl too much :(13:55
pittiit'd need to check the running process13:55
pittiok, thanks so far!13:55
ograpitti, btw i have netbook running on my touchbook13:56
ograthere is an issue with the battery though, it doesnt load with the kernel i rolled13:56
ograonce i have that solved i'll put a dd-able image on people.c.c ;)13:56
Ixanhas there been a regression with preseed from rc1 to 10.04? my preseed script doesn't execute correctly anymore. I've used wget with -O -|sh to download a script and run in-target. it just echoes everything to the log in console 4 now, doesnt execute the script at all.13:58
Ixanscript runs fine from the console during the installation though, using the identical string given to preseed/late_command13:58
smosercjwatson, whoops. thank you (was that thanks ok ? )14:00
cjwatsonsmoser: IRC doesn't reopen RT tickets ... so far :-)14:04
cjwatsonIxan: nothing I know of, happy to investigate based on full preseed file (with any passwords removed) and log files14:04
cjwatsonIxan: I recommend running the installation with DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer as a boot parameter to get the most useful log files14:05
Ixanokay, i'll append that. I'll try to remove the stdout pipe now and see if it can write to a file then execute it instead. will be bothersome later , if that doesn't work either :)14:06
cjwatsonI'm not aware of any of wget, sh, or preseed having changed in a way which might be relevant.  of course if the script uses debconf then piping it to sh that way would never have worked reliably14:07
cjwatsonso that could be a source of problems14:07
cjwatson(note it might use debconf indirectly e.g. by installing a package)14:08
rascal999slangasek: shall i reinstall initctl then?14:17
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ccheneyis there a tool like that which displays for totem codecs that i could have run to ask a user to install a package?15:07
ccheneylooks like something like packagekit could do it but its not on the cd currently so would be problematic to use it15:10
ccheneyso i guess my question is more is there anything on the cd that could do it, or example code to do something like what totem/gst does15:10
cjwatsonI believe it's gstreamer-codec-install15:10
ccheneycjwatson: ok15:11
cjwatsonapt-get source gnome-codec-install15:11
ccheneyyep about to grab it now, just had to update my sources.list since i am at a hotel :)15:12
ccheneycjwatson: thanks for the pointer15:12
cjwatsonthat's ok, I don't know much more about it, mvo would know more15:13
mvoccheney: what excatly do you want to do? "apturl apt:2vcard" is one way of doing it, in maverick we will get native session PK api support15:17
mvoccheney: you can also use aptdaemon, it depends a bit on your use-case what is best (easieist is certainly apturl)15:17
ccheneymvo: i know the package already to install i just to prompt the user for if they want it, the java stuff for OOo that can't fit on the CD15:17
ccheneys/to/need to/15:18
mvoccheney: apturl is probably best then for now (lucid)15:22
ccheneyok15:22
ccheneymvo: will look into it, thanks for the help15:23
mvoccheney: np. it has a relatively good man-page nowdays and work on both gtk/kde15:23
ccheneygreat :)15:23
cjwatsonI've synced in the bulk of entirely new source packages from unstable now; not contrib or non-free yet, and not yet sources which produced binaries that clashed with existing binaries in the archive15:29
cjwatsonI also excluded everything that already had publication records in the Ubuntu archive, indicating that they'd been removed at some point; those will all need manual investigation15:29
cjwatsonbut that's 352 new source packages so should keep everything busy for a while15:30
Davieycjwatson: Have you created a list?15:30
cjwatsonnope15:30
ccheneymvo: is there a way display something to explain to the user why apturl is displaying its box, would that be done with zenity or some other way?15:30
cjwatsonmay do at some point if it's hard enough to process :)15:30
Davieycjwatson: Just fancied having a browse.. low hanging fruit and all that. :)15:31
mvoccheney: currently not, its a nice idea though. do you need it for lucid or maverick? if the later I can add a feature for it15:31
ccheneymvo: maverick primarily i may try adding it to lucid if its approved after getting it working for maverick15:32
cjwatsonthe packages that previously had publication records are:15:32
cjwatsonafflib arc-colors b2evolution bcov bml boost1.39 bsl dyndns fast-user-switch-applet flush gcc-3.3 gcx gdm-themes git gjay glee graphy grub-choose-default guidance-power-manager ibutils kbiff kfocus kqemu libjboss-buildmagic-java libjpeg7 libunicode-map8-perl libxr life mscore ns3 ojs php-clamav ploader pyjamas python-couchdbkit python2.5 qca qgis re2 saga snowball splashy sugar-0.84 sugar-0.86 sugar-artwork-0.84 ...15:32
cjwatson... sugar-artwork-0.86 sugar-base-0.84 sugar-base-0.86 sugar-browse-activity-0.86 sugar-chat-activity-0.84 sugar-hulahop sugar-presence-service-0.84 sugar-presence-service-0.86 sugar-read-activity-0.84 sugar-toolkit-0.84 sugar-toolkit-0.86 t2html task texfam ubuntulooks urg ust wacom-tools wine xfmedia xtel xulrunner15:32
ccheneymvo: i can always do it in a different way for lucid if its acceptable15:32
mvoccheney: ok, for lucid its probably best to just add zenity around it (or a small python script)15:33
ccheneyok15:33
Davieycjwatson: suprised to see git :/15:34
cjwatsonI imagine that's the project name clash thing being resolved15:34
cjwatsonprobably wants to be synced15:34
Davieyahh15:35
ccheneyhmm there is a small problem with using zenity in that it wouldn't easily be translatable I think?15:43
cjwatsonit would be the caller's responsibility to handle translation15:45
sebnercjwatson: funnily, autosync synced gdm3 (which is 2.30.2-3), out gdm in maverick is 2.30.2-0ubuntu115:45
cjwatsonsebner: heh, I missed that, bound to be the odd mistake15:45
cjwatsonshould I remove that again?15:45
cjwatsonseb128: ?15:45
seb128cjwatson, yes please15:46
* sebner guesses a blacklist add is needed too15:47
cjwatsonyes, I'll take care of that15:47
cjwatson(done)15:48
sebner:)15:49
loolHmm where's doko16:02
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lool~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~/win 116:43
loolUps16:43
loolInteresting16:43
ograheh16:43
ograpitti, i'm trying to make sense of http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~work-items-tracker-hackers/launchpad-work-items-tracker/trunk/annotate/head:/config/maverick.cfg for the mobile team specs (nothing shows up on the tracker yet) could it be that "mobile-|preinstalled-sd-card" needs to be in brackets ?16:44
blue_annacan I get help getting i2c-core module for my build? it's not in my kernel and I don't see an alternative in the repositories16:54
ograblue_anna, try #ubuntu-kernel for kernel related questions16:56
blue_annathanks16:56
slangasekrascal999: if you don't know why you have a fake initctl in place, reinstalling upstart may not fix the problem17:02
macobdrung: Re: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-May/030754.html  <-- i bzr branch'd ubuntu-dev-tools and pbuilder'd it for Lucid, and "syncpackage" is very Not Happy  http://paste.ubuntu.com/439419/17:12
bdrungmaco: you need the launchpad credentials, see manage-credentials how to get them17:13
bdrungmaco: or we need to improve syncpackage to use the anonymous launchpad login. i have to leave now. see you later.17:14
bdrung(or drop me a mail)17:15
macohrm. need to figure out what a "consumer" is17:18
macoum yeah that didnt work17:20
macoit spit the html source of a 403 at me17:20
pittiogra: it shouldn't be necessary to add parentheses17:20
ograpitti, hmm, then i wonder why nothing shows up at all17:21
ograpitti, i mean i wont complain, http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile.html promises an easy dev cycle :)17:21
pittiogra: hm, nothing mobile-ish on http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/all.html, too17:22
ograpitti, there is one special case (not sure why, we could just rename it) https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/preinstalled-sd-card-images-for-omap17:23
pittiogra: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+specs?searchtext=mobile only has one spec, though, and that one has no WIs17:23
ograthat should at least show up17:23
ograpitti, ugh17:23
pittiogra: I removed the empty line after work items:, should turn up next cycle17:24
ograhttps://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-m-lightweight-panel-for-efl and https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-m-image-builds-without-root should definately be there too17:24
pittii. e. in an hour17:24
pittiogra: no, they aren't targetted at maverick17:24
pitti"Series goal: None"17:24
ogragah17:24
* ogra fixes17:24
seb128cjwatson, pitti: could bug #571329 be accepted to updates now?17:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 571329 in xsane (Ubuntu Lucid) "No translation for xsane in lucid" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57132917:26
pittiseb128: right, tagged v-done17:27
seb128pitti, thanks17:27
pittiand moved to -updates17:27
seb128thanks ;-)17:27
robbiewboy...firefox could cause people seizures in Maverick...flickerific17:29
robbiewlol17:29
cjwatsonright, I've been dealing with things that are marked green and over the aging period on the pending SRU page, but I haven't been able to go through v-needed bugs and check whether they should be v-done17:30
seb128cjwatson, btw could you pocket copy things you accept to maverick too? pitti has been doing that usually, that avoid having to do another version upload to maverick, ie less work17:32
seb128cjwatson, well as long as lucid and maverick versions are identic17:32
cjwatsonseb128: yes, I've been doing that17:33
cjwatsonmay be a couple behind, I haven't done it since last week17:33
seb128ok, thanks17:33
apwcjwatson, are we expecting a debootstrap backport for lucid ?17:37
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ograapw, iant maverick support already in ?17:37
ogra*isnt17:37
* ogra tests17:38
ograyes, seems to work17:38
cjwatsonapw: yes, debootstrap already had maverick support when lucid released17:38
cjwatsonso no need for a backport17:38
apwcjwatson, hrm, i'll go hit things till it stops lieing to me :)17:41
ograapw, upgrade to the final release ! :P17:42
cjwatsonapw: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debootstrap/1.0.20ubuntu117:42
apwit says its up to date ... must be some other tool whining17:42
apwcjwatson, thanks must be smb's fault17:42
* smb slaps apw 17:43
apwsuch cheek17:47
* mneptok pops some corn and begins taking wagers17:47
smbapw, Maybe just the mkschroot not having a maverick section. Feel free to fix it17:57
apwsmb, could be... will check17:57
persiamk-schroot shouldn't care: it ought rely on debootstrap.  That said, if mkschroot differs from mk-schroot, I'd like to know how and fix it :)18:02
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tlbwhat's the best way to get a new package(a small pam module) into Ubuntu?19:52
Laneyget it into Debian19:52
tlbLaney, so what's the best way to get a new package(a small pam module) into Debian? :)19:54
Laneyhaha19:54
Laneyfind a sponsor and get said sponsor to upload it19:54
Laneytry #debian-mentors on oftc19:54
mathiaztlb: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages19:54
tlbok thanks :)19:55
Laneymaybe the maintainers of pam itself would be interested: try mailing pam@qa.packages.debian.org :)19:56
* Laney runs before one of them sees19:56
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* mneptok does the "Going To DebConf 10" dance20:43
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Sarvattlooks like pkg-config in maverick is screwed up23:05
Sarvattpkg-config --cflags xorg-server23:05
Sarvatt-fvisibility\=hidden -I/usr/include/xorg -I/usr/include/pixman-123:05
Sarvattthat -fvisibility\=hidden is making everything using xorg-server.pc fail23:07
geserdoes the .pc file contain the \= or only a =?23:07
geserknow bug23:09
SarvattCflags: -I${sdkdir} -fvisibility=hidden23:09
geserDebian bug #58300923:09
ubottuDebian bug 583009 in pkg-config "Attempts to escape = char in Cflags" [Serious,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/58300923:09
Sarvattyeah23:09
Sarvatthttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=583005 too, tons more i'm sure23:10
ubottuDebian bug 583005 in pkg-config "xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd: FTBFS: ../../src/rhd_driver.c:517: error: invalid storage class for function 'RHDPreInit'" [Serious,Open]23:10
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