[00:05] rascal999: you can't run an upstart-managed service in a chroot [00:11] slangasek: i'm not [00:11] it's a vm, that's the only difference [00:13] rascal999: if you're not running in a chroot, why is /sbin/initctl a "Fake initctl"? That's not the behavior of the upstart package shipped in Ubuntu [00:25] hi guys. I've got a core 2 duo, and my second CPU has been showing "0% usage" for a while now.. I'm kinda concerned.. any suggestions, please? [00:29] progre55: start a bunch of CPU hungry stuff... gzip -c /dev/zero > /dev/null works. ;) [00:31] SpamapS: only 1 CPU shows 99-100% and the other one is still 0% [00:45] progre55: weird [00:45] SpamapS: oh, nvm. apparently it was the widget that went wrong.. I was using the system monitor widget to see the cpu usage, but htop shows that both cpu's are being used :) [00:46] haha indeed [01:04] james_w: did you do syncs yesterday? they're not flushed [01:45] could you please try and see if emacs23 works in current maverick? (e.g. do an "emacs -Q" and see if it appears)? [01:46] I am not sure if I broke my system or a library is changing [01:49] what are the first steps one would have to take to start learning to become a developer? [01:50] Drakeson, X protocol error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) on protocol request 2 [01:50] Seems like it might be broke [01:50] Jayd3e: the first one should be "find a project you would want to develop in" [01:51] baddog_: thanks, I get the same error. Now I don't need to build yet another chroot to make sure :D [01:51] :P [01:51] * baddog_ goes to see if a bug is already there [01:52] I cannot even guess which library got updated since around May 21 that broke emacs [01:52] * Drakeson whishes he know a dpkg equivalent of "git whatchanged" [01:53] * baddog_ files a bug (first ever!) [01:57] what would cause the session menu to not show on the login screen? [02:15] Drakeson, baddog_: That's probably (more) fallout from the big GTK c-s-d/argb change. [02:15] oooh. [02:15] Drakeson: Also, /var/log/dpkg.log [02:17] RAOF: Speaking of CSD, it seems very clear the kwin developers are firmly against it. Is this something GTK is really comitted too or are they experimenting? Do you know? [02:19] ScottK: A variety of people have been wanting it for some time (including X devs). I think *we're* pretty committed to it, and I don't think there are any in-principle objections GTK-side. [02:20] Interesting. [02:20] It seems like an odd thing for people wanting desktop consistency to want, but OK. [02:20] RAOF: thanks. So, is this emacs that should be patched to be prepared for client-side-deco or the gtk libs should just work? [02:21] ScottK: There's no reason why kwin people need to care at all; my understanding is that it'll only be switched on if the window manager says “hey, I can handle client-side-windows”. [02:21] Sorry, client-side-decorations. [02:22] It seems then like a lot of trouble for something that will always need a fallback position if c-s-d isn't supported. [02:23] honestly, I am [only] a bit biased against CSD since I remember some nasty windows apps (like yahoo messenger) who happened to draw their aweful window decorations, too. Hopefully this doesn't happen here ... [02:23] Drakeson: That's already possible - csd in GTK would make that less likely, as there'd be a nice standardised interface. [02:25] RAOF: that's good to hear. [02:26] Should I try to patch emacs for now, or it is gtk libs that will have to get fixed ? [02:26] I'd start by looking at emacs. [02:26] RAOF: I see, thanks [03:00] could anyone tell me what to mount my partition at? I am installing over an old distro and have another os on here already. I want to over write sda1 (ext2) I chose use as Ext2 file system and think the mount point should be "/" but am unsure. Advice? [03:01] wait i think i am in the wrong node. Sorry [03:01] kyle_: Yes. You are. You want #ubuntu. === alexstre^_ is now known as alexstre^ === progre55__ is now known as progre55 [06:44] emacs23 is complaining about not having makeinfo, which doesn't seem to be in the repos anywhere ._. [06:44] on Maverick [06:49] baddog_: I think that's part of the texinfo package, which I don't think has changed since lucid? [06:49] ooh. maybe [06:49] * baddog_ is new to all this ^_^ [08:02] Good morning === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [08:09] good morning [08:12] morning dholbach! [08:12] hola ara! [08:16] cjwatson, can you add gucharmap to the ubuntu-deskop upload list? === radoe_ is now known as radoe [10:02] can anyone point me to the wiki page which lists the support lifetimes for various bits of each series [10:03] series, as in releases? [10:04] http://www.ubuntu.com/products/ubuntu/release-cycle%20 [10:04] it's actually on the first page of wiki.ubuntu.com, also first hit on google [10:06] also for >=lucid: apt-cache show PACKAGENAME | grep ^Supported: [10:06] lifeless, that is close, but it only carries the general life times. somewhere there is a more specific page on lifetimes for each kernel variant etc [10:06] cjwatson, yeah its jaunty that i am trying to find the same information [10:07] apw: are the variants separated into server/desktop ? [10:07] lifeless, no this is more detailed again, for arm branches and the like [10:07] there were some 20 or so lines in the table i think [10:07] ok, that I haven't seen - sorry [10:08] mvo: can you see why e.g. lynx still has Supported: 5y for maverick? I moved SUPPORTED_HINTS aside to SUPPORTED_HINTS.LTS in the platform.maverick seeds in an effort to make that go away, but it doesn't seem to have taken ... [10:09] Riddell: the syncs were probably me - it was OK to flush them [10:10] Riddell: oh, except for the way I imagine the flush partially failed because you didn't know to remove the syncs that will only work once my LP patch is rolled out :) [10:11] so you can probably rm -rf sync-queue/rejected/jriddell-20100525-010510 as lp_queue [10:12] * cjwatson starts another autosync pass [10:12] cjwatson: let me have a look [10:13] smoser: FYI, if you follow up to an RT ticket to say "thanks", it reopens the ticket automatically ... I'm resolving RT#39454 again [10:31] cjwatson: the irony :) === smb is now known as smb-afk === smb-afk is now known as smb [13:08] cjwatson, pitti, i'd like to make bug 568736 an SRU because i plan to build the 10.07 image based on the lucid seed, i talked to slangasek already at UDS, he said he would be fine with it if another ubuntu-sru member agress (i want to ask in advance before i mark the bug SRU) [13:08] Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: list.index(x): x not in list (https://launchpad.net/bugs/568736) [13:09] (it requires a netbook-meta upload to take effect but its armel only [13:09] ) [13:12] ogra: I'm fine with that change in an SRU [13:12] great, thanks [13:12] * ogra changes the bug then [13:45] asac, didrocks, StevenK: hm, seems the go-home-applet launches netbook-launcher instead of going back to n-l-efl? [13:46] pitti: that's weird, some people are telling that and others are telling it's working fine. I remember of an explicit fix from jamiebennet about it [13:46] pitti, i thik thats a known bug [13:46] didrocks, i can confirm [13:46] didrocks: do you see any reason why we need it at all? the standard "show desktop" applet seems to work just fine? [13:47] it only happens though if your graphics card is actually composite capable [13:47] right, it is [13:47] pitti, drag n drop features [13:47] pitti: well, this applet is a little bit more than "show desktop" [13:47] it adds urls to the favorites if you drop them on the applet [13:47] pitti: if you drag and drop an url, it's added as a favorite [13:47] * pitti disables DRI and checks agao [13:47] ok, ogra is faster than I :) [13:47] heh [13:48] pitti, mv /usr/bin/netbook-launcher /usr/bin/netbook-launcher.bak && ln -s /usr/bin/netbook-launcher-efl /usr/bin/netbook-launcher will fix the issue [13:48] its ugly but works :) [13:49] * pitti disabled the DRM udev rule [13:49] works fine now, thanks [13:49] proper solution wuld be to be able to uninstall netbook-launcher but there is a dependency issue [13:49] right, I'm just going to fix that to be an | [13:49] it works then as well [13:49] yeah :) [13:49] but I wanted to make sure that go-home-applet is useful for efl [13:49] it is [13:49] cheer! [13:49] s [13:50] though with the new upanel i'm not sure it will still work :) [13:50] we're supposed to get a simple gtk container that replaces the panel and only provides hooks for the indicators [13:51] didrocks: do you know if there's a packaging bzr for it? I only see an upstream trunk, and no vcs-bzr [13:51] not sure if an "applet" will work in that (it shouldnt since we dont want gnome deps) [13:51] pitti: no, I sometimes push directly to ubuntu/go-home-applet [13:52] didrocks: that's fine, thanks [13:54] ogra, didrocks: reading the code, it calls netbook-launcher directly; favourite d&d doesn't actually work [13:55] aww [13:55] ... with -efl, I mean [13:55] pitti: I don't know, I hadn't the time to test n-l-efl too much :( [13:55] it'd need to check the running process [13:55] ok, thanks so far! [13:56] pitti, btw i have netbook running on my touchbook [13:56] there is an issue with the battery though, it doesnt load with the kernel i rolled [13:56] once i have that solved i'll put a dd-able image on people.c.c ;) [13:58] has there been a regression with preseed from rc1 to 10.04? my preseed script doesn't execute correctly anymore. I've used wget with -O -|sh to download a script and run in-target. it just echoes everything to the log in console 4 now, doesnt execute the script at all. [13:58] script runs fine from the console during the installation though, using the identical string given to preseed/late_command [14:00] cjwatson, whoops. thank you (was that thanks ok ? ) [14:04] smoser: IRC doesn't reopen RT tickets ... so far :-) [14:04] Ixan: nothing I know of, happy to investigate based on full preseed file (with any passwords removed) and log files [14:05] Ixan: I recommend running the installation with DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer as a boot parameter to get the most useful log files [14:06] okay, i'll append that. I'll try to remove the stdout pipe now and see if it can write to a file then execute it instead. will be bothersome later , if that doesn't work either :) [14:07] I'm not aware of any of wget, sh, or preseed having changed in a way which might be relevant. of course if the script uses debconf then piping it to sh that way would never have worked reliably [14:07] so that could be a source of problems [14:08] (note it might use debconf indirectly e.g. by installing a package) [14:17] slangasek: shall i reinstall initctl then? === nobuto is now known as pores_n === pores_n is now known as nobuto [15:07] is there a tool like that which displays for totem codecs that i could have run to ask a user to install a package? [15:10] looks like something like packagekit could do it but its not on the cd currently so would be problematic to use it [15:10] so i guess my question is more is there anything on the cd that could do it, or example code to do something like what totem/gst does [15:10] I believe it's gstreamer-codec-install [15:11] cjwatson: ok [15:11] apt-get source gnome-codec-install [15:12] yep about to grab it now, just had to update my sources.list since i am at a hotel :) [15:12] cjwatson: thanks for the pointer [15:13] that's ok, I don't know much more about it, mvo would know more [15:17] ccheney: what excatly do you want to do? "apturl apt:2vcard" is one way of doing it, in maverick we will get native session PK api support [15:17] ccheney: you can also use aptdaemon, it depends a bit on your use-case what is best (easieist is certainly apturl) [15:17] mvo: i know the package already to install i just to prompt the user for if they want it, the java stuff for OOo that can't fit on the CD [15:18] s/to/need to/ [15:22] ccheney: apturl is probably best then for now (lucid) [15:22] ok [15:23] mvo: will look into it, thanks for the help [15:23] ccheney: np. it has a relatively good man-page nowdays and work on both gtk/kde [15:23] great :) [15:29] I've synced in the bulk of entirely new source packages from unstable now; not contrib or non-free yet, and not yet sources which produced binaries that clashed with existing binaries in the archive [15:29] I also excluded everything that already had publication records in the Ubuntu archive, indicating that they'd been removed at some point; those will all need manual investigation [15:30] but that's 352 new source packages so should keep everything busy for a while [15:30] cjwatson: Have you created a list? [15:30] nope [15:30] mvo: is there a way display something to explain to the user why apturl is displaying its box, would that be done with zenity or some other way? [15:30] may do at some point if it's hard enough to process :) [15:31] cjwatson: Just fancied having a browse.. low hanging fruit and all that. :) [15:31] ccheney: currently not, its a nice idea though. do you need it for lucid or maverick? if the later I can add a feature for it [15:32] mvo: maverick primarily i may try adding it to lucid if its approved after getting it working for maverick [15:32] the packages that previously had publication records are: [15:32] afflib arc-colors b2evolution bcov bml boost1.39 bsl dyndns fast-user-switch-applet flush gcc-3.3 gcx gdm-themes git gjay glee graphy grub-choose-default guidance-power-manager ibutils kbiff kfocus kqemu libjboss-buildmagic-java libjpeg7 libunicode-map8-perl libxr life mscore ns3 ojs php-clamav ploader pyjamas python-couchdbkit python2.5 qca qgis re2 saga snowball splashy sugar-0.84 sugar-0.86 sugar-artwork-0.84 ... [15:32] ... sugar-artwork-0.86 sugar-base-0.84 sugar-base-0.86 sugar-browse-activity-0.86 sugar-chat-activity-0.84 sugar-hulahop sugar-presence-service-0.84 sugar-presence-service-0.86 sugar-read-activity-0.84 sugar-toolkit-0.84 sugar-toolkit-0.86 t2html task texfam ubuntulooks urg ust wacom-tools wine xfmedia xtel xulrunner [15:32] mvo: i can always do it in a different way for lucid if its acceptable [15:33] ccheney: ok, for lucid its probably best to just add zenity around it (or a small python script) [15:33] ok [15:34] cjwatson: suprised to see git :/ [15:34] I imagine that's the project name clash thing being resolved [15:34] probably wants to be synced [15:35] ahh [15:43] hmm there is a small problem with using zenity in that it wouldn't easily be translatable I think? [15:45] it would be the caller's responsibility to handle translation [15:45] cjwatson: funnily, autosync synced gdm3 (which is 2.30.2-3), out gdm in maverick is 2.30.2-0ubuntu1 [15:45] sebner: heh, I missed that, bound to be the odd mistake [15:45] should I remove that again? [15:45] seb128: ? [15:46] cjwatson, yes please [15:47] * sebner guesses a blacklist add is needed too [15:47] yes, I'll take care of that [15:48] (done) [15:49] :) [16:02] Hmm where's doko === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [16:43] ~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~/win 1 [16:43] Ups [16:43] Interesting [16:43] heh [16:44] pitti, i'm trying to make sense of http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~work-items-tracker-hackers/launchpad-work-items-tracker/trunk/annotate/head:/config/maverick.cfg for the mobile team specs (nothing shows up on the tracker yet) could it be that "mobile-|preinstalled-sd-card" needs to be in brackets ? [16:54] can I get help getting i2c-core module for my build? it's not in my kernel and I don't see an alternative in the repositories [16:56] blue_anna, try #ubuntu-kernel for kernel related questions [16:56] thanks [17:02] rascal999: if you don't know why you have a fake initctl in place, reinstalling upstart may not fix the problem [17:12] bdrung: Re: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-May/030754.html <-- i bzr branch'd ubuntu-dev-tools and pbuilder'd it for Lucid, and "syncpackage" is very Not Happy http://paste.ubuntu.com/439419/ [17:13] maco: you need the launchpad credentials, see manage-credentials how to get them [17:14] maco: or we need to improve syncpackage to use the anonymous launchpad login. i have to leave now. see you later. [17:15] (or drop me a mail) [17:18] hrm. need to figure out what a "consumer" is [17:20] um yeah that didnt work [17:20] it spit the html source of a 403 at me [17:20] ogra: it shouldn't be necessary to add parentheses [17:21] pitti, hmm, then i wonder why nothing shows up at all [17:21] pitti, i mean i wont complain, http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile.html promises an easy dev cycle :) [17:22] ogra: hm, nothing mobile-ish on http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/all.html, too [17:23] pitti, there is one special case (not sure why, we could just rename it) https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/preinstalled-sd-card-images-for-omap [17:23] ogra: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+specs?searchtext=mobile only has one spec, though, and that one has no WIs [17:23] that should at least show up [17:23] pitti, ugh [17:24] ogra: I removed the empty line after work items:, should turn up next cycle [17:24] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-m-lightweight-panel-for-efl and https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-m-image-builds-without-root should definately be there too [17:24] i. e. in an hour [17:24] ogra: no, they aren't targetted at maverick [17:24] "Series goal: None" [17:24] gah [17:24] * ogra fixes [17:26] cjwatson, pitti: could bug #571329 be accepted to updates now? [17:26] Launchpad bug 571329 in xsane (Ubuntu Lucid) "No translation for xsane in lucid" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/571329 [17:27] seb128: right, tagged v-done [17:27] pitti, thanks [17:27] and moved to -updates [17:27] thanks ;-) [17:29] boy...firefox could cause people seizures in Maverick...flickerific [17:29] lol [17:30] right, I've been dealing with things that are marked green and over the aging period on the pending SRU page, but I haven't been able to go through v-needed bugs and check whether they should be v-done [17:32] cjwatson, btw could you pocket copy things you accept to maverick too? pitti has been doing that usually, that avoid having to do another version upload to maverick, ie less work [17:32] cjwatson, well as long as lucid and maverick versions are identic [17:33] seb128: yes, I've been doing that [17:33] may be a couple behind, I haven't done it since last week [17:33] ok, thanks [17:37] cjwatson, are we expecting a debootstrap backport for lucid ? === dmart_ is now known as dmart [17:37] apw, iant maverick support already in ? [17:37] *isnt [17:38] * ogra tests [17:38] yes, seems to work [17:38] apw: yes, debootstrap already had maverick support when lucid released [17:38] so no need for a backport [17:41] cjwatson, hrm, i'll go hit things till it stops lieing to me :) [17:42] apw, upgrade to the final release ! :P [17:42] apw: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debootstrap/1.0.20ubuntu1 [17:42] it says its up to date ... must be some other tool whining [17:42] cjwatson, thanks must be smb's fault [17:43] * smb slaps apw [17:47] such cheek [17:47] * mneptok pops some corn and begins taking wagers [17:57] apw, Maybe just the mkschroot not having a maverick section. Feel free to fix it [17:57] smb, could be... will check [18:02] mk-schroot shouldn't care: it ought rely on debootstrap. That said, if mkschroot differs from mk-schroot, I'd like to know how and fix it :) === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === rickspencer3_ is now known as rickspencer3 === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away [19:52] what's the best way to get a new package(a small pam module) into Ubuntu? [19:52] get it into Debian [19:54] Laney, so what's the best way to get a new package(a small pam module) into Debian? :) [19:54] haha [19:54] find a sponsor and get said sponsor to upload it [19:54] try #debian-mentors on oftc [19:54] tlb: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages [19:55] ok thanks :) [19:56] maybe the maintainers of pam itself would be interested: try mailing pam@qa.packages.debian.org :) [19:56] * Laney runs before one of them sees === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [20:43] * mneptok does the "Going To DebConf 10" dance === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter === ajmitch_ is now known as ajmitch === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [23:05] looks like pkg-config in maverick is screwed up [23:05] pkg-config --cflags xorg-server [23:05] -fvisibility\=hidden -I/usr/include/xorg -I/usr/include/pixman-1 [23:07] that -fvisibility\=hidden is making everything using xorg-server.pc fail [23:07] does the .pc file contain the \= or only a =? [23:09] know bug [23:09] Cflags: -I${sdkdir} -fvisibility=hidden [23:09] Debian bug #583009 [23:09] Debian bug 583009 in pkg-config "Attempts to escape = char in Cflags" [Serious,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/583009 [23:09] yeah [23:10] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=583005 too, tons more i'm sure [23:10] Debian bug 583005 in pkg-config "xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd: FTBFS: ../../src/rhd_driver.c:517: error: invalid storage class for function 'RHDPreInit'" [Serious,Open] === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away