[06:03] New news from manualplanet: Benjamin Humphrey: Brussels, beer, Ubuntu and boys taking a leak [08:25] morning [08:33] ubuntujenkins: hey [08:33] hello nisshh [08:34] ubuntujenkins: that ooa works great [08:34] ppa [08:35] that was the plan :P . So far we have no bugs with it I hope it stays like that [08:47] godbyk: can we add the ppa to the website? [09:10] I also agree. That ppa works a treat. [09:40] problem #42 in making the bug form work: debian has bzr 1.5, launchpad requires bzr 1.16 to download branches [10:29] dutchie: upgrade bzr? [12:08] popey: yeah, going to have to [12:12] stupid inferoior 2g connection [12:36] bah [12:36] no godbyk or daker :( [12:39] dutchie: look on the bright side! i'm here and most likely totally useless regarding whatever you have on your mind or at hand ;) [12:41] do you know if there is a 500/404 page used on u-m.org? [12:41] that I canborow [12:45] http://ubuntu-manual.org/thequeenisnotamused [12:45] apparently the url is interpreted as far as possible, so you always get at least the home page :( [14:28] godbyk: there is a guy asking on lp when the german version of e1 will be released, apparently its now fully translated on lp [14:30] godbyk-android: ^^^ [15:27] There have been a lot of bugs filed today against the manual! [15:28] godbyk: CNAME bugs.ubuntu-manual.org to um-bugs.joshh.co.uk [15:30] ChrisWoollard_: my inbox noticed :-) [15:32] It looks like a guy called Marc Stewart is reading the intire book and logging bugs as he goes. He is on page 36 at the moment. :) [15:33] i mean entire [15:33] at least we will be very bug free [15:34] dutchie: your form asks for an e-mail. Where in the bug report does that go? will it not be traceable by bots? [15:35] Some of those bugs are tricky. He is really pushing my knowledge of english grammar. So much so that I have had to get a book out to help. [15:37] I thought i would try and help. but then i looked at how complex they can be and decided my english is not up to it. I am a mechnical engineer we are better at maths [15:41] be back later [15:41] o/ [15:41] I am going to spend my evening trying to make sense of some more. At least he is explaining his reasoning behind the changes. [15:41] See you [15:51] ubuntujenkins: it doesn't go anywhere yet [15:52] i may remove it [15:53] initially I just copied the fields from the spreadsheet [15:53] now it's up, i can start to get some feeback [15:53] +d [15:54] just don't let humphreybc publicise it everywhere, as it's nowhere near ready [15:55] right, hometime [17:27] dutchie message recived I will stop ben if i see someone tell him [18:16] I'm home again. [18:16] I'll take a look at the ubuntu-manual bugs in a moment. [18:16] Going to have lunch first. [18:54] There are lots [18:55] ChrisWoollard: No problem. I can usually blow through them pretty quickly. [18:55] I'm fairly good at US English grammar. [18:55] (And don't mind telling people that they're wrong.) :) [18:57] is anyone else editing right now that I'll interfere with? [18:58] Not at the moment. After I put my children to bed. I'll mark bugs as in progress if I am working on them. [19:03] okay, cool. [19:03] godbyk: let me know when you go through and hunt for glossary entries, no rush but id like to get a whole bunch more in there [19:03] I'm gonna eat lunch real quick and then I'll dive in. [19:03] nisshh: absolutely! [19:03] cool [19:03] nisshh: you might post a message to the list and ask people what they think should be in the glossary and index, too. just so we have some ideas. [19:04] nisshh: oh, and you shouldn't have self-referencing glossary entries. don't use \gls{thisword} in the 'thisword' entry. (there's not much point.) [19:04] godbyk: right, and since chapter 6 is no longer going to be in the manual after 10.10 i might take over the maintenance of the index [19:04] godbyk: good point ill remove those tommorrow [19:05] 'kay. [19:05] we'll collect ideas for the index. I'll work with you on it a bit later. [19:05] (it's easy; we just need to make sure we set some rules for consistency.) [19:05] right, like we are doing for the rest of the manual [19:05] yep [19:06] ok, ill post to the ML in the morning [19:06] my brain is starting to die now that its 2am [19:07] heh.. no worries. [19:07] anyways, ill cya in the morning probably, gnight! === rickspencer3_ is now known as rickspencer3 [20:00] Okay, time to crush some bugs. [20:14] Right now I'm just going through and assigning most of the grammar-related bugs to myself. I'll start editing them in a little bit. [20:18] I have also started working on bugs [20:19] ChrisWoollard: feel free to dive in. I've assigned a bunch of them to myself. (mostly the grammar and formatting bugs.) [20:19] I have to send out a few emails, so I won't be stepping on your toes in bzr for a little while yet. :) [20:20] As [20:21] I am going to work on one thing at a time and mark in progress as I am going [20:21] I am going to prop [20:21] probably work on anything that isn't formatting [20:23] okay. [20:23] I think I stole most the formatting bugs, too. [20:23] :) [20:23] godbyk: did you do the CNAME? [20:24] dutchie: uh, nope. where do you want me to point it? [20:24] um-bugs.joshh.co.uk [20:24] should be ready to go [20:25] okay. [20:25] setting it up now [20:26] (you can observe it running at that address, too) [20:27] I've added the CNAME record. [20:27] It may take a moment for it to propagate to all the DNS servers, of course. [20:28] But it looks like it's working here already. [20:28] http://bugs.ubuntu-manual.org/ [20:28] works for me [20:28] me too [20:28] submitting a bug to test it. :) [20:28] what's the story with staging.launchpad.net, anyway? [20:29] testing purposes :) [20:29] my bug: https://bugs.staging.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bug/580292 [20:29] feedback? [20:30] * ubuntujenkins has a go [20:30] I would probably set English and Spelling.. as the defaults for the dropdown lists. [20:30] (the language in the end should default to the browser language, but we only have the english edition out so far.) [20:30] Does anybody want to give this a quick look through and tell me what you think? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/439510/ [20:30] maybe add a note telling them where to find the revision number (bottom of the copyright page) [20:31] you can type letters in the number feild [20:31] Zeike: what am I looking at? [20:31] ubuntujenkins: but if you click submit, it shouldn't let you [20:31] godbyk: noted [20:31] of course, we'll want to pretty up the formatting at some point, but I assume you're not asking about that. :) [20:32] well, yeah, that too [20:32] Its the file system section from the command line chapter. Page 121 [20:32] dutchie: my bad had not got that far [20:32] seems okay. was there anything we had on our google bug form that didn't transfer over? [20:32] dutchie: ooh, could you have it do a lookup on the supplied page number to add the chapter name to the bug report, too? makes it easier to find the bug on our end. [20:33] (I realize it's variable depending on the revision, but it'll give us an idea.) [20:33] (and it beats me grepping the .tex files for a phrase) [20:33] also the suggestion box doesn't show in the bug report or a i mad? [20:34] godbyk: that sounds, er, fun [20:34] i was going to add in a dupe finder based vaguely on what we have in the DB [20:35] could just add in a "chapter" ox [20:35] +b [20:35] true. as long as it's not too much to ask of people. :) [20:37] yeah [20:37] could probably collapse some of those entries down a little [20:38] default the revision entry to the current released edition of the translation/language they selected. [20:38] hang on [20:38] need to find somewhere to make notes [20:42] ubuntujenkins: i don't think i added the suggestion box to what shows up in LP, so no, you're not mad :) [20:43] hehe I think i may be mad any way :P [20:44] entirely possible [20:45] godbyk: can we update the website with the latex ppa? [20:45] * dutchie shares the todo doc with other @ubuntu-manual.org folks [20:47] ubuntujenkins: you mean edit the text on the site? sure. I'll add it to my list. :) [20:47] cheers godbyk :) [20:47] godbyk: know if there is an easy way to make it visible to UMP folks? [20:47] (via google docs) [20:48] dutchie: I'm not sure. other than sending a link. [20:48] lemme see if it shows up in my list. [20:48] i don't think it will [20:49] gah. [20:49] google's captcha's are the worst! [20:49] godbyk: I have sent you the instructions to save you finding them on the mailing list [20:50] ubuntujenkins: thanks [20:51] thanks for doing it I have not looked into how to add stuff to the website yet. I need to sort out a quickshot one [20:51] dutchie: yeah, it's not in the list. [20:52] if you go to the sharing dialog, I think there's a 'share with all @ubuntu-manual.org users' checkbox or something. [20:52] ubuntujenkins: no problem. [20:52] i can't see one [20:52] ubuntujenkins: basically just edit a file and commit it. the server auto-pulls every so oftetn. [20:52] i think that's because i created it with my normal @googlemail.com account [20:52] ah, that's probably why. [20:53] the accounts are linked together though [20:53] godbyk: yea i guessed but i need to make sure i do it correctly etc. I will add it to the list of stuff to do [20:55] I have set myself a deadline of 30th of june to have devloped the manual program for maverick and the quickshot ui. I hope i can pull it off as I will not be able to start untill 21st [20:55] right, that does it [20:55] cool [20:56] I think lots of skype calls will be needed to say how wrong i have got it :) [20:57] I like the input really [20:57] I have to do some other work stuff for a bit (nothing exciting, unfortunately). so I may be slow to respond. ping me if anyone needs me, though. [20:59] whats the biggest skype call you can have? [20:59] right, one todo list uploaded to docs.ubuntu-manual.org [21:02] dutchie: i can't see it :/ [21:03] its not on my list [21:03] oh stupid thing [21:04] say shared from me to Ubuntu Manual [21:04] are you logged in with your @ubuntu-manual.org address? [21:04] yep [21:05] stupid slow safari [21:06] it definitely says shared with everyone at ubuntu manual [21:06] #blamep-o-p-e-y :P [21:08] #blameubuntujenkins [21:08] lol [21:08] #blamegoogle [21:09] http://docs.google.com/a/ubuntu-manual.org/Doc?docid=0ARIi6BtbYjOIZGhiNndmbjlfMDR6aDN4YnBy&hl=en_GB [21:09] does that work? [21:09] yep [21:10] strange [21:10] and now its in my list [21:11] thanks josh [21:11] good good [21:28] Can somebody give me their thoughts on bug #585484. Personally I think they are being picky. But i would like a 2nd / 3rd opinion. [21:28] ooh, no manualbot [21:29] #585484 [21:29] bug 545484 [21:29] ah, bummer. [21:29] bad bots! [21:29] #585484 [21:29] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bug/585484 [21:29] Launchpad bug 585484 in ubuntu-manual "Factual problem with sudo on page 123" [Undecided,New] [21:30] yay, manualbot! [21:30] really should get round to making manualbot start on boot [21:32] ChrisWoollard: Personally I agree with the bug reporter. If I hit alt+f2 and type sudo gedit i don't see the sudo promt. I need gksudo so that i can type in my password. It is picky but could be frustraing to a new user. just my humble opinion. [21:32] ChrisWoollard: I would say that if the manual is introducing sudo, use sudo. [21:33] I don't know that I run GUI apps using sudo.. I typically use it with command-line apps. But that's because I'm usually only running command-line apps. [21:34] (note manualbot connects over ipv6 for extra geek points) [21:36] By looking at the manual i get the impression that sudo is being run from the shell and not from Alt+F2. If it was Alt+F2 I would specify gksudo. [21:37] from the shell it really doesn't matter. [21:42] Ok. It has been decided. In this case it says as it is. [21:43] * dutchie can tell from humphreybc's experience of European steak that he has not been to Europe before [21:43] "Ask for a medium steak, get a rare steak. Ask for a rare steak, get a live cow." [21:45] The last time I ordered a "hamburger" in England, I got a Salisbury steak on a bun. [21:45] Also, cuts of meat are different in Europe, I discovered (or at least Germany). [21:46] It added an extra complication when I was trying to explain to the butcher what I wanted. (The first complication being that I don't speak German.) [21:46] Where were you eating [21:46] I don't recall now. [21:46] what the hell is a Salisbury steak? [21:46] I remember we were both reduced to pointing at body parts, though. :) [21:47] A steak from Salisbury. Duh. [21:47] :) [21:47] dutchie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salisbury_steak :) [21:47] I think the only time I've seen the name, it's been on a TV dinner. [21:47] stupid americans and your made-up words [21:48] lol [21:48] I wouldn't have guessed the etymology going back to a person's name. That's interesting. [21:49] (Wikipedia teaches me so many new things each day. It's wondrous!) [21:49] To me that sounded English. BUt apparently not. That explains why I have never heard of it [21:50] Yeah, I'd assumed it was named after Salisbury (the place), but knew it was likely a US thing. [21:50] (It was too processed to have come from anywhere else. ;-)) [22:19] Godbyk: I think bug #584504 is one for you. It is an index entry appearing in the wrong place [22:19] Launchpad bug 584504 in ubuntu-manual "erroneous entry at start of Index ie first entry of "CD/DVD Creator, 27"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/584504 [22:19] ChrisWoollard: fair enough. feel free to assign it to me. [22:19] ok, will do [22:39] I have a problem compiling the manual. It won't build anymore. It gets stuck half way [22:40] ChrisWoollard: please paste bin your error [22:40] ChrisWoollard: post the main.log file. [22:44] he he I saw "later live with jools holland" and read it as "later live with josh holland" [22:45] http://paste.ubuntu.com/439562 [22:45] * dutchie is famous [22:46] I don't think it was me that broke it. I deleted my local branch and started again. It still didn't compile [22:47] ChrisWoollard: are you compiling the main US English version? 'cause that log file looks okay [22:48] That is weird. in the terminal it said error 1 [22:49] I was doing the us english [22:49] I am glad you say its ok kevin cos i thought so too. I thought i was missing the obvious [22:49] ChrisWoollard: paste the output around the Error 1 stuff. [22:53] * ubuntujenkins theres like 100 bug emails a day. We should be really bug free soon [22:54] http://paste.ubuntu.com/439568 [22:54] Wishful thinking. [22:56] hello flan, true it is wishfull thinking but i like to be positive about these things :) [22:56] night all [22:57] night ubuntujenkins [22:57] night dutchie [23:00] ChrisWoollard: run: makeglossaries -L english main [23:00] and tell me if it gives any errors [23:00] ok, will do [23:01] G'night, ubuntujenkins. [23:01] ChrisWoollard: and if that's okay, try: makeindex main [23:02] no errors on either [23:03] ChrisWoollard: you're compiling the lucid-e2 branch, right? and just running 'make' with no arguments? [23:03] when i run make in the ubuntu-manual directory. It pauses about half way. Then i press enter and it continues [23:04] I believe it is lucid-e2 [23:04] ChrisWoollard: [23:04] ChrisWoollard: run 'xelatex main' [23:05] and just and i am running make on its own [23:05] It just stops half way with a ? prompt [23:06] ChrisWoollard: it should give you an error message of some sort [23:07] also, type 'H' and press Enter. it'll give you more info [23:08] The control sequence at the end of the top line of your error message was never \def'ed [23:08] so someone misspelled a \command. [23:09] i'll paste again [23:10] http://paste.ubuntu.com/439582 [23:10] ChrisWoollard: \Button should be \button (lowercase). [23:11] is that in listening to audio? [23:12] ChrisWoollard: default-apps/listening-to-audio-and-music.tex line 63 [23:13] i found it. [23:13] i'll try again [23:14] now a different error. now a missing } [23:15] looks like the glossary [23:15] apparently people haven't been running 'make' before they commit. :) [23:15] (despite my pleas for them to do so.) [23:15] Well, I have to say. none of these errors were mine [23:15] :) [23:16] :) [23:16] how do i know which line the error is on? [23:16] It says l.000 (where 000 is the line number) [23:16] at the beginning of the context lines (just above the ?) [23:17] ok, i think 11 [23:25] Is this where you usually bang your head against a wall? [23:25] tracking down all the typos that people make? [23:25] yes [23:25] it's a bit irksome sometimes, but I've gotten pretty good at it. [23:25] i now have another one [23:26] if you want to commit what you've fixed so far, I can try to fix the others for you real quick. [23:26] i just did [23:26] then maybe we'll institute a new rule that requires people to run 'make' before committing. [23:26] At least I have now had a crash course on debugging [23:27] hey guys, when I start getting content for the developer manual, what format should I get the chapters in, and where should I store them? [23:29] fixed another [23:29] and commited [23:30] I can't find the error in the glossary though [23:31] gah! damn you. :) [23:31] sorry [23:31] uncommitting and recommitting now. :) [23:32] remaking. we'll see if they're all fixed now. [23:32] Not touching anything until told to now :) [23:33] looks like it compiled cleanly for me here. [23:33] for a DVCS, bzr is shocking at handling parallel commits [23:34] maybe we're Doing It Wrong [23:34] dutchie: yeah, I don't know if I'm using it wrong or what. [23:34] dutchie: but there's gotta be a better way. [23:34] my answer would be "git", but... [23:34] dutchie: I hate seeing the 'removed three revisions'-type messages when someone runs 'bzr 'merge'. [23:34] have you pushed? [23:35] nothing to push [23:35] I think you got them all [23:35] i mean, no offence to the guys who built bzr, but git was written in C and perl by a bunch of kernel hackers [23:35] with beards [23:35] heh [23:35] I don't know enough to choose between the various VCSs. [23:36] I just wish they'd figure it out and tell me which one I should spend time learning. [23:36] Mine still doesn't build [23:36] as it is, I've had to learn enough about cvs, svn, bzr, and git to check code out and in. [23:36] run 'bzr status' anything listed? [23:36] apparently there is an issue in the glossary line 11. [23:36] ChrisWoollard: otherwise, run 'make clean', then 'make' [23:37] nothing lised [23:38] right, bedtime [23:38] Yay [23:38] night all [23:38] it worked [23:38] dutchie: g'night. [23:38] ChrisWoollard: great! [23:39] I hope people don't break it again. That scared me a bit