/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/05/25/#ubuntu-ops.txt

rwwHello. Can someone point me to the current bots policy that covers #ubuntu-offtopic, please?00:01
rww#ubuntu too, now that I think of it. Though I imagine they're the same.00:04
h00krww: !bots00:43
h00ker00:43
h00k!bots | rww00:43
ubotturww: Hi! I'm #ubuntu-ops's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots00:43
h00kno...00:43
h00krww: Does the wiki cover your questions or do you have others?00:44
Jordan_Umarco69 in #ubuntu01:06
h00kJordan_U: I'm aware, thanks:)01:07
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itsjustmewhy am i banned form ubuntu when i have never said a word?01:49
itsjustmenot a sinlge word?01:50
itsjustmesingle*01:50
Piciitsjustme: did you follow the directions in #ubuntu-proxy-users ?01:52
Piciitsjustme: it should have set an exception for you.01:53
itsjustmedont know of instructions...simply went to go in the same ways as i idd before and it says banned01:53
itsjustmedid nothing different01:53
itsjustmeoput in nick01:54
itsjustmeand put in the word ubuntu01:54
Piciyou joined as sleepyboss before, right?01:54
itsjustmeyes01:54
itsjustmeand SLboss too01:54
itsjustmeentering all the same way01:54
itsjustmenever said a single word01:54
itsjustmenot one01:54
Piciitsjustme: Its nothing *you* did, we have a blanket ban forward on webchat users.01:55
itsjustmewhy?01:55
itsjustmeis this forever?01:55
PiciIts because people webchats to evade bans.01:56
rwwh00k: oops, sorry, I wandered off. I'll go look.01:56
itsjustmeok let me see...i have no bans on me...so i am blocked in case i am trying to evadde a ban?01:56
Piciitsjustme: Can you please try to join #ubuntu and let me watch the bots do their thing?01:57
itsjustmeok here we go01:57
itsjustmei di it01:57
itsjustmedid it01:57
Picihrm.01:57
itsjustmeor i should say i tried to do it01:57
itsjustmesay (+b) you are banned01:58
Piciitsjustme: Okay, something seems to be wrong, try again. I've added a manual exception for you.01:58
PiciI'll debug this myself.01:59
itsjustmeok i am in01:59
PiciSorry for the inconvenence.01:59
itsjustmebut what i really like is to go into the ubuntu proxy 1st?01:59
itsjustmewhen i sign in01:59
itsjustmedoes the proxy thing cloak me or serve any purpose?01:59
PiciThe webchat shows your ip in hex in your ident and in your realname field. We use that together with our bots to make sure that you don't match against any regular bans.02:00
itsjustmewhich i wont ever cos i dont do anything like that02:00
PiciAnd when we do ban a webchat user, the bots make sure to ban their real address too.02:00
Piciitsjustme: Well, some people do and ruin it for everyone else :/02:01
itsjustmeso am i cloaked02:01
itsjustmeor will u plewase cloak me02:01
itsjustmei dont care if ops see me02:01
itsjustmebut the public shouldnt02:01
PiciI cannot, anyway, those two fields will always be shown even if you have a different cloak.02:02
Piciif you us the webchat, that is.02:02
itsjustmeso it is impossible02:02
itsjustmeok well thanks02:02
PiciThats what freenode has decided, if you want a cloak for when you connect with a regular IRC client, you can ask in #freenode02:02
itsjustmeyes ok thank you for ur help02:03
Picihrm02:07
PiciThis is weird.02:07
h00kPici: way to handle it02:08
Picih00k: :)02:10
Picinow if I could only figure out why webchat people are banned...02:10
Piciwe02:12
Picier02:12
PiciWell, I removed and re-added the ban forward for webchat people and it started working again o.O02:16
funkyHat/grep doesn't seem to work on /mode output ⢁(02:20
IdleOneAny rules about me begging the ops team for testimonials? :)04:06
ikoniafor membership ?04:06
IdleOneyes04:08
ikoniapost your url04:13
IdleOnehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/idleone04:13
IdleOneIf anybody else feels I have the right stuff please add kind word ^^^ :)04:14
ubottuIn ubottu, scottplyr777 said: vlc is my problem04:29
ikoniawhat's the support stance on lubuntu ?04:47
FlannelIt's in the repos04:48
ikonia!info lubuntu04:48
ubottuPackage lubuntu does not exist in lucid04:48
Flannel!info lubuntu-desktop04:48
ubottulubuntu-desktop (source: lubuntu-meta): Lubuntu Desktop environment. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.13 (lucid), package size 3 kB, installed size 32 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 powerpc ia64 sparc lpia armel)04:48
ikoniainteresting04:49
IdleOneso we support it04:49
IdleOne?04:49
FlannelIt *was* going to be offiically recognized in Lucid, but they ran into problems so it's getting delayed a release04:49
ikoniamultiverse, yes it's supported04:49
IdleOneahh well cool then04:49
FlannelIt's multiverse because of the media player included in the metapackage, by the way04:50
Flannel(as opposed to some other licensing issue with something more significant in it, LXDE or whatnot)04:51
IdleOneFlannel: I remember reading they are going to get that fixed and should be ready for officialness by 10.1004:52
FlannelIdleOne: I don't think that's the issue causing it to be unofficial04:52
Flannelbut I didn't keep up on it, at any rate.04:52
IdleOneneither did I to be honest04:53
ikonia!info rp-pppoe05:12
ubottuPackage rp-pppoe does not exist in lucid05:13
IdleOne#ubuntu-arabic could use some people in it05:37
jpdshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/mbp_/4624069108/in/photostream/07:53
dholbachgood morning08:10
jussijpds: why did I know that was going to turn up at some point in here...08:23
knomehappy geek pride day10:08
Jordan_Uvbman-w in #ubuntu10:22
ikoniahe's gone10:24
ubottuSpaceGhostC2C called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic (Gamarok____ is being :()11:54
ikoniafed up to the back teeth of spaceghost everything has to be made into an issue with him12:03
ikoniais tor open ? I thought we had that on a block too ?12:42
ubottuIn #ubuntu-offtopic, rww said: !no, cake-#ubuntu-offtopic is <alias> bing12:52
ubottuIn #ubuntu-offtopic, SpaceGhostC2C said: !no rww is <reply>eww!12:55
ubottuIn ubottu, bilalakhtar said: !no gnome-media-player is <reply> GNOME Media Player is a simple media player for GNOME that supports a wide variety of libraries for playing media. Find more info about it and download it at https://launchpad.net/gnome-media-player16:26
Picier.16:28
Pici!gnome-media-player16:28
jussi!scope18:12
ubottuWe don't need factoids for *everything*, or ten factoids for the same thing ;)18:12
jussi!info gnome-media-player18:12
ubottuPackage gnome-media-player does not exist in lucid18:12
jussimeh, Im not for factoids like that. but thats just me.18:13
Piciwise_crypt could use some more tact.20:37
mneptokagreed. i asked him to back off. he is doing so, i hope.20:38
mneptok"Gouda" /part'ed anyway20:39
ubottuiceroot called the ops in #ubuntu (axy_david)21:04
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from axy_david)21:09
ubottuxangua called the ops in #ubuntu (axy_david)21:30
macojpds: thanks21:33
FotherMucker!kirby22:20
ikonia!kirby22:25
ikonia?22:25
ikoniahello helo22:34
helohi22:34
ikoniahow can we help today ?22:34
helodiscussing this is a dumb waste of time, but i am curious how the following is rationalized: irc must be kept "clean"... but it's OK to have official packages in the repos with profanity?22:35
ikoniasorry, could you expand a little on that please22:35
helowell... in #ubuntu proper, the 'no profanity' rule is strictly enforced22:36
ikoniayes22:37
helobut it is common practice in the open source community to use profanity... particularly in source code22:37
ikoniathat's nothing to do with irc22:37
ikoniaubuntu irc is not the open source community22:37
ikoniathere are some packages with rude names, however ubuntu doesn't control the names of those packages22:37
heloso... profanity must be kept out of #ubuntu because it is an advertised support channel?22:38
ikoniajust because it's polite22:39
ikoniapeople of all ages and background use the channel, they don't need to see offensive content22:39
ikoniait's a support channel so it's important to keep to just support discussion22:39
ikoniahowever, there are (as you said) packages with rude names, so there can be a time when certain rude words do come up in conversation with legitimate reason, it's just then use common sense and don't keep saying the words over and over22:40
heloseems like adding rules about profanity to an IRC support channel is outside of 'just support discussion'22:41
ikoniano its not22:41
ikoniathe rule is simple a.) support discussion only b.) don't use offensive language in that discussion22:42
ikoniait's all part of the same overall concept, the ubuntu code of conduct22:42
ikoniawhich in reality is just common sense "be nice to each other"22:42
heloprofanity does not in any way detract from the support aspect of the channel22:42
ikoniahelo: people don't need to see proganity, people can find it offensive, there is no need to communicate with profanity22:42
heloif it does, as with anything, then i can understand it being dealt with22:42
helopeople don't need to see all kinds of things that are allowed22:43
ikoniathe only topic in #ubuntu is support discussion, that's all that's allowed22:43
ikoniapeople need to see that22:43
heloright... nobody's discussing profanity... they're discussion support...22:43
helothe rules themselves cause profanity to be discussed22:43
ikoniaagreed22:44
ikoniano they don't22:44
ikoniajust don't use profanity or offensive language in your conversation22:44
ikoniathen it will never need to be mentioned to you22:44
ikoniait's a pretty simple concept a.) support discussion only b.) no offensive language22:44
heloi'm just saying... ignoring profanity results in less 'offtopicness' than chastizing it22:44
ikoniano it doesn't22:44
ikoniait educates people to stop, it detracts from the topic for a moment22:45
ikoniabut it stops someone who is unaware of the no-swearing rule from swearing22:45
helocan you point to any support channels that have been harmed by profanity?22:45
ikoniaas I said, if you don't swear, there will be no need to mention it22:45
ikoniano-one is saying it harms the channel22:45
helodo you think #debian has been suffering greatly because of all of the profanity there?22:45
ikoniait's the rule of the channel as people don't need to see it22:45
ikonianope22:45
ikoniaI don't think debian suffers at all22:46
ikoniabottom line is, - those are the rules of the channels, you can eithe follow them, or not use the channel22:47
ikoniaeither22:47
heloprofanity does not have the capacity to cause harm, being particular combinations of letters/sounds, so why bother?22:47
ikoniabecause people can find it offensive22:47
ikoniapeople of all ages and backgrounds use the channel22:47
ikoniathey don't need to see profanity22:47
ikoniaif you can't communicate without using profanity you need to improve your social skills22:48
ikoniaif you need to use profanity to discuss your issue, #ubuntu is not the right channel for you, there are plenty of other channels you can use that do not have a language policy22:48
heloif only my social skills were up to the task ;)22:48
ikoniaonly you can control that22:49
heloi'm not saying i have a problem not swearing (maybe occasionally something may slip out)... the policy just seems contrary to the general openmindedness that prevails on IRC, linux, the internet, etc22:50
ikoniathis channel is not linux or the internet22:51
heloif someone has enough of a problem with swearing that they don't want to see it, you will not find them using IRC22:51
ikoniait's an IRC channel that follows the rules setup buy ubuntu's language policy22:51
heloyes yes... "walled garden"22:51
ikoniawhat opensource/linux/irc in geneal does is not relevant22:52
ikoniahelo: not really anything more to discuss, those are the rules of the ubuntu channel, it's up to you if you chose to follow them or not and continue to use the channel22:52
heloright... you are god, nobody can tell you what to do... it's just silly22:52
helothe policy is silly, that is22:52
ikoniaI'm not god22:52
ikoniano it's not22:53
ikoniaI don't want to talk about technical issues with someone who has to swear to get his point across22:53
helothanks for taking part in this discussion :)22:53
ikoniayou're welcome22:53
helothat was intended as "ubuntu rules are god, they don't depend on outside influence or conventions" rather than "you are god"22:54
ikoniahelo: that is correct then, Ubuntu rules are set and are not influenced by outside topics22:54
ikoniaI must leave now, so if there is nothing else, I'll end this conversation now22:58
helosure, take care22:58
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)23:07

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