[00:01] <rww> Hello. Can someone point me to the current bots policy that covers #ubuntu-offtopic, please?
[00:04] <rww> #ubuntu too, now that I think of it. Though I imagine they're the same.
[00:43] <h00k> rww: !bots
[00:43] <h00k> er
[00:43] <h00k> !bots | rww
[00:43] <h00k> no...
[00:44] <h00k> rww: Does the wiki cover your questions or do you have others?
[01:06] <Jordan_U> marco69 in #ubuntu
[01:07] <h00k> Jordan_U: I'm aware, thanks:)
[01:08] <h00k> @login
[01:08] <h00k> @btlogin
[01:49] <itsjustme> why am i banned form ubuntu when i have never said a word?
[01:50] <itsjustme> not a sinlge word?
[01:50] <itsjustme> single*
[01:52] <Pici> itsjustme: did you follow the directions in #ubuntu-proxy-users ?
[01:53] <Pici> itsjustme: it should have set an exception for you.
[01:53] <itsjustme> dont know of instructions...simply went to go in the same ways as i idd before and it says banned
[01:53] <itsjustme> did nothing different
[01:54] <itsjustme> oput in nick
[01:54] <itsjustme> and put in the word ubuntu
[01:54] <Pici> you joined as sleepyboss before, right?
[01:54] <itsjustme> yes
[01:54] <itsjustme> and SLboss too
[01:54] <itsjustme> entering all the same way
[01:54] <itsjustme> never said a single word
[01:54] <itsjustme> not one
[01:55] <Pici> itsjustme: Its nothing *you* did, we have a blanket ban forward on webchat users.
[01:55] <itsjustme> why?
[01:55] <itsjustme> is this forever?
[01:56] <Pici> Its because people webchats to evade bans.
[01:56] <rww> h00k: oops, sorry, I wandered off. I'll go look.
[01:56] <itsjustme> ok let me see...i have no bans on me...so i am blocked in case i am trying to evadde a ban?
[01:57] <Pici> itsjustme: Can you please try to join #ubuntu and let me watch the bots do their thing?
[01:57] <itsjustme> ok here we go
[01:57] <itsjustme> i di it
[01:57] <itsjustme> did it
[01:57] <Pici> hrm.
[01:57] <itsjustme> or i should say i tried to do it
[01:58] <itsjustme> say (+b) you are banned
[01:58] <Pici> itsjustme: Okay, something seems to be wrong, try again. I've added a manual exception for you.
[01:59] <Pici> I'll debug this myself.
[01:59] <itsjustme> ok i am in
[01:59] <Pici> Sorry for the inconvenence.
[01:59] <itsjustme> but what i really like is to go into the ubuntu proxy 1st?
[01:59] <itsjustme> when i sign in
[01:59] <itsjustme> does the proxy thing cloak me or serve any purpose?
[02:00] <Pici> The webchat shows your ip in hex in your ident and in your realname field. We use that together with our bots to make sure that you don't match against any regular bans.
[02:00] <itsjustme> which i wont ever cos i dont do anything like that
[02:00] <Pici> And when we do ban a webchat user, the bots make sure to ban their real address too.
[02:01] <Pici> itsjustme: Well, some people do and ruin it for everyone else :/
[02:01] <itsjustme> so am i cloaked
[02:01] <itsjustme> or will u plewase cloak me
[02:01] <itsjustme> i dont care if ops see me
[02:01] <itsjustme> but the public shouldnt
[02:02] <Pici> I cannot, anyway, those two fields will always be shown even if you have a different cloak.
[02:02] <Pici> if you us the webchat, that is.
[02:02] <itsjustme> so it is impossible
[02:02] <itsjustme> ok well thanks
[02:02] <Pici> Thats what freenode has decided, if you want a cloak for when you connect with a regular IRC client, you can ask in #freenode
[02:03] <itsjustme> yes ok thank you for ur help
[02:07] <Pici> hrm
[02:07] <Pici> This is weird.
[02:08] <h00k> Pici: way to handle it
[02:10] <Pici> h00k: :)
[02:10] <Pici> now if I could only figure out why webchat people are banned...
[02:12] <Pici> we
[02:12] <Pici> er
[02:16] <Pici> Well, I removed and re-added the ban forward for webchat people and it started working again o.O
[02:20] <funkyHat> /grep doesn't seem to work on /mode output ⢁(
[04:06] <IdleOne> Any rules about me begging the ops team for testimonials? :)
[04:06] <ikonia> for membership ?
[04:08] <IdleOne> yes
[04:13] <ikonia> post your url
[04:13] <IdleOne> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/idleone
[04:14] <IdleOne> If anybody else feels I have the right stuff please add kind word ^^^ :)
[04:47] <ikonia> what's the support stance on lubuntu ?
[04:48] <Flannel> It's in the repos
[04:48] <ikonia> !info lubuntu
[04:48] <Flannel> !info lubuntu-desktop
[04:49] <ikonia> interesting
[04:49] <IdleOne> so we support it
[04:49] <IdleOne> ?
[04:49] <Flannel> It *was* going to be offiically recognized in Lucid, but they ran into problems so it's getting delayed a release
[04:49] <ikonia> multiverse, yes it's supported
[04:49] <IdleOne> ahh well cool then
[04:50] <Flannel> It's multiverse because of the media player included in the metapackage, by the way
[04:51] <Flannel> (as opposed to some other licensing issue with something more significant in it, LXDE or whatnot)
[04:52] <IdleOne> Flannel: I remember reading they are going to get that fixed and should be ready for officialness by 10.10
[04:52] <Flannel> IdleOne: I don't think that's the issue causing it to be unofficial
[04:52] <Flannel> but I didn't keep up on it, at any rate.
[04:53] <IdleOne> neither did I to be honest
[05:12] <ikonia> !info rp-pppoe
[05:37] <IdleOne> #ubuntu-arabic could use some people in it
[07:53] <jpds> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mbp_/4624069108/in/photostream/
[08:10] <dholbach> good morning
[08:23] <jussi> jpds: why did I know that was going to turn up at some point in here...
[10:08] <knome> happy geek pride day
[10:22] <Jordan_U> vbman-w in #ubuntu
[10:24] <ikonia> he's gone
[12:03] <ikonia> fed up to the back teeth of spaceghost everything has to be made into an issue with him
[12:42] <ikonia> is tor open ? I thought we had that on a block too ?
[16:28] <Pici> er.
[16:28] <Pici> !gnome-media-player
[18:12] <jussi> !scope
[18:12] <jussi> !info gnome-media-player
[18:13] <jussi> meh, Im not for factoids like that. but thats just me.
[20:37] <Pici> wise_crypt could use some more tact.
[20:38] <mneptok> agreed. i asked him to back off. he is doing so, i hope.
[20:39] <mneptok> "Gouda" /part'ed anyway
[21:33] <maco> jpds: thanks
[22:20] <FotherMucker> !kirby
[22:25] <ikonia> !kirby
[22:25] <ikonia> ?
[22:34] <ikonia> hello helo
[22:34] <helo> hi
[22:34] <ikonia> how can we help today ?
[22:35] <helo> discussing this is a dumb waste of time, but i am curious how the following is rationalized: irc must be kept "clean"... but it's OK to have official packages in the repos with profanity?
[22:35] <ikonia> sorry, could you expand a little on that please
[22:36] <helo> well... in #ubuntu proper, the 'no profanity' rule is strictly enforced
[22:37] <ikonia> yes
[22:37] <helo> but it is common practice in the open source community to use profanity... particularly in source code
[22:37] <ikonia> that's nothing to do with irc
[22:37] <ikonia> ubuntu irc is not the open source community
[22:37] <ikonia> there are some packages with rude names, however ubuntu doesn't control the names of those packages
[22:38] <helo> so... profanity must be kept out of #ubuntu because it is an advertised support channel?
[22:39] <ikonia> just because it's polite
[22:39] <ikonia> people of all ages and background use the channel, they don't need to see offensive content
[22:39] <ikonia> it's a support channel so it's important to keep to just support discussion
[22:40] <ikonia> however, there are (as you said) packages with rude names, so there can be a time when certain rude words do come up in conversation with legitimate reason, it's just then use common sense and don't keep saying the words over and over
[22:41] <helo> seems like adding rules about profanity to an IRC support channel is outside of 'just support discussion'
[22:41] <ikonia> no its not
[22:42] <ikonia> the rule is simple a.) support discussion only b.) don't use offensive language in that discussion
[22:42] <ikonia> it's all part of the same overall concept, the ubuntu code of conduct
[22:42] <ikonia> which in reality is just common sense "be nice to each other"
[22:42] <helo> profanity does not in any way detract from the support aspect of the channel
[22:42] <ikonia> helo: people don't need to see proganity, people can find it offensive, there is no need to communicate with profanity
[22:42] <helo> if it does, as with anything, then i can understand it being dealt with
[22:43] <helo> people don't need to see all kinds of things that are allowed
[22:43] <ikonia> the only topic in #ubuntu is support discussion, that's all that's allowed
[22:43] <ikonia> people need to see that
[22:43] <helo> right... nobody's discussing profanity... they're discussion support...
[22:43] <helo> the rules themselves cause profanity to be discussed
[22:44] <ikonia> agreed
[22:44] <ikonia> no they don't
[22:44] <ikonia> just don't use profanity or offensive language in your conversation
[22:44] <ikonia> then it will never need to be mentioned to you
[22:44] <ikonia> it's a pretty simple concept a.) support discussion only b.) no offensive language
[22:44] <helo> i'm just saying... ignoring profanity results in less 'offtopicness' than chastizing it
[22:44] <ikonia> no it doesn't
[22:45] <ikonia> it educates people to stop, it detracts from the topic for a moment
[22:45] <ikonia> but it stops someone who is unaware of the no-swearing rule from swearing
[22:45] <helo> can you point to any support channels that have been harmed by profanity?
[22:45] <ikonia> as I said, if you don't swear, there will be no need to mention it
[22:45] <ikonia> no-one is saying it harms the channel
[22:45] <helo> do you think #debian has been suffering greatly because of all of the profanity there?
[22:45] <ikonia> it's the rule of the channel as people don't need to see it
[22:45] <ikonia> nope
[22:46] <ikonia> I don't think debian suffers at all
[22:47] <ikonia> bottom line is, - those are the rules of the channels, you can eithe follow them, or not use the channel
[22:47] <ikonia> either
[22:47] <helo> profanity does not have the capacity to cause harm, being particular combinations of letters/sounds, so why bother?
[22:47] <ikonia> because people can find it offensive
[22:47] <ikonia> people of all ages and backgrounds use the channel
[22:47] <ikonia> they don't need to see profanity
[22:48] <ikonia> if you can't communicate without using profanity you need to improve your social skills
[22:48] <ikonia> if you need to use profanity to discuss your issue, #ubuntu is not the right channel for you, there are plenty of other channels you can use that do not have a language policy
[22:48] <helo> if only my social skills were up to the task ;)
[22:49] <ikonia> only you can control that
[22:50] <helo> i'm not saying i have a problem not swearing (maybe occasionally something may slip out)... the policy just seems contrary to the general openmindedness that prevails on IRC, linux, the internet, etc
[22:51] <ikonia> this channel is not linux or the internet
[22:51] <helo> if someone has enough of a problem with swearing that they don't want to see it, you will not find them using IRC
[22:51] <ikonia> it's an IRC channel that follows the rules setup buy ubuntu's language policy
[22:51] <helo> yes yes... "walled garden"
[22:52] <ikonia> what opensource/linux/irc in geneal does is not relevant
[22:52] <ikonia> helo: not really anything more to discuss, those are the rules of the ubuntu channel, it's up to you if you chose to follow them or not and continue to use the channel
[22:52] <helo> right... you are god, nobody can tell you what to do... it's just silly
[22:52] <helo> the policy is silly, that is
[22:52] <ikonia> I'm not god
[22:53] <ikonia> no it's not
[22:53] <ikonia> I don't want to talk about technical issues with someone who has to swear to get his point across
[22:53] <helo> thanks for taking part in this discussion :)
[22:53] <ikonia> you're welcome
[22:54] <helo> that was intended as "ubuntu rules are god, they don't depend on outside influence or conventions" rather than "you are god"
[22:54] <ikonia> helo: that is correct then, Ubuntu rules are set and are not influenced by outside topics
[22:58] <ikonia> I must leave now, so if there is nothing else, I'll end this conversation now
[22:58] <helo> sure, take care