| coz_ | hey guys I am not sure about this... which aspect of ubuntu would be responsible for right click drive icons with no unmount available? | 02:36 |
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| RAOF | coz_: That would be something on the desktop; probably nautilus. | 02:43 |
| coz_ | RAOF, ah ok thanks I was getting confused about who would be responsible :) | 02:45 |
| RAOF | Hey, asac. Bouncy network? | 03:03 |
| Sarvatt | i think he switched to your old isp :) | 03:23 |
| RAOF | Man, anything touching i965g in any way is a one-way ticket to GPU hang. | 03:32 |
| Sarvatt | anyone know if anyone has started debianizing mesa/demos? kind of hesitant to update mesa in edgers now with it gone | 03:32 |
| Sarvatt | i'm not even putting that in libgl1-mesa-dri-gallium on edgers its so broken :D | 03:33 |
| RAOF | Not at this point, no. | 03:33 |
| RAOF | There's no release with mesa/demos yet, is there. I'm not sure if Debian want a snapshot, even in experimental. | 03:34 |
| RAOF | However... asking in #debian-x would make that clearer :) | 03:34 |
| Sarvatt | i guess it wont remove the old mesa-utils on upgrade and it doesnt really change much so its not that big a deal | 03:36 |
| RAOF | Yeah. It shouldn't use any non-public ABI, which means that it'll survive just fine. | 03:42 |
| RAOF | Once there's a release we can split out the demos, and there will be much rejoicing. | 03:42 |
| RAOF | Man, why doesn't debian have dbgsym infrastructure yet? :( | 03:43 |
| Sarvatt | does debian still require locally built and uploaded binary packages for amd64? | 03:52 |
| Sarvatt | or am I crazy and did they never do that? i haven't looked into it as much as I should have | 03:53 |
| RAOF | I don't think they ever* required that. | 03:54 |
| RAOF | * For values of “ever” extending multiple years back. | 03:54 |
| RAOF | You *are* required to locally build and upload a binary package, from what I can gather. | 03:55 |
| RAOF | Sarvatt: Hey, did you ever end up packaging libkms? | 04:34 |
| lucazade | hi Bernardo | 10:16 |
| alf__ | RAOF: Hi! | 10:19 |
| alf__ | Has there been any progress on the Mesa package with OpenGL ES support? | 10:24 |
| maco | bryceh: you declined Bug #563100 a while ago, believing it to be a bug in the proprietary nvidia driver. upstream, it was declared an X bug, and there is a 1-line patch to fix it. can you give it another look? | 12:59 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 563100 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Mouse movement corrupted with Xinerama enabled (affects: 33) (dups: 5) (heat: 232)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/563100 | 12:59 |
| maco | bryceh: also, others on lp are adamant that there's not really a proper workaround since nouveau can't handle having 2 graphics cards in use at once | 13:00 |
| akoya-6805 | do you expect ati multi-gpu configurations to work? | 13:03 |
| maco | no idea. have they ever? | 13:08 |
| maco | oh wait thats not in context of the bug i was just talking about for nvidia users | 13:09 |
| maco | (since you just /join'd) | 13:09 |
| maco | ignore me :) im not an X person | 13:09 |
| * akoya-6805 ignores maco | 13:12 | |
| coz_ | maco, interesing...not x person either but I have noticed an issue with cursor on both single an dual monitor systems here... not responding well or jumping about the screen particularly on single monitor | 13:13 |
| siriusnova | Howdy | 13:28 |
| siriusnova | you guys running the ubuntu-x-swat ppa? | 13:28 |
| tseliot | akoya-6805: it should work with fglrx | 14:02 |
| akoya-6805 | not if one card is "legacy" ;) | 14:06 |
| akoya-6805 | #radeon guys said i'need the vga arbiter... | 14:09 |
| tseliot | akoya-6805: you can't use fglrx and radeon at the same time, therefore, when I said "fglrx", I excluded this use case | 14:11 |
| tseliot | if you use Lucid, the arbiter is available. I'm not sure if radeon supports multiple GPUs | 14:12 |
| akoya-6805 | fair enough | 14:13 |
| jcristau | sure it does. | 14:13 |
| akoya-6805 | with kms it's generally expected to work | 14:13 |
| akoya-6805 | (accourding to #radeon adamk) | 14:14 |
| tseliot | I've never tried myself. I guess it's just RandR that doesn't make use of multiple gpus | 14:14 |
| akoya-6805 | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/439310/ | 14:15 |
| akoya-6805 | see for yourself, although that is with ums | 14:15 |
| tseliot | ok | 14:16 |
| tseliot | akoya-6805: so what's the problem? | 14:17 |
| tseliot | or were you just asking? | 14:17 |
| akoya-6805 | i guess my question had been answered ;) | 14:19 |
| akoya-6805 | but:now i have to troubleshoot kms | 14:19 |
| akoya-6805 | reading on that now... | 14:19 |
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| dupondje | hi guys. Is there somebody awake here atm ? | 17:08 |
| bjsnider | what an amusing article on phoronix about the openchrome driver, or whatever it's being called now | 17:10 |
| dupondje | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/562802 => any idea whats causing that ? seems to only happen with nvidia driver, not with nouveau | 17:11 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 562802 in firefox (Ubuntu) "xorg use cpu 100% sometime with firefox (affects: 4) (heat: 24)" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 17:11 |
| Azelphur | Hi, anyone know how I'd hide the mouse pointer permanently? | 17:24 |
| Azelphur | It's for a touch screen device, and there's no mouse going to be connected. So the mouse pointer just gets in the way | 17:25 |
| Sarvatt | chrisccoulson: have you seen this? http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/devel/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.7.0-randr-gamma-restore.patch?view=markup | 17:57 |
| Sarvatt | regarding the gnome-screensaver failing to restore gamma the second time problem | 17:57 |
| chrisccoulson | Sarvatt, that looks like it might fix it | 17:58 |
| chrisccoulson | Sarvatt - could you point RAOF to that when he's online? | 18:01 |
| Sarvatt | yepyep | 18:01 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks | 18:03 |
| Sarvatt | mesa dropped 3MB off the tarball size by dropping demos, i was deleting progs/objviewer before making the tarball before too so it's probably closer to 10MB+ :) | 18:13 |
| bjsnider | Sarvatt, did that adjustment to powermizer fix your gpu? | 18:32 |
| bjsnider | i need closure on that anecdote | 18:32 |
| dupondje | somebody has any idea on my issue ? | 18:44 |
| dupondje | nobody ? :D | 19:00 |
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| Sarvatt | bjsnider: i haven't had time to test it, will test it now | 19:32 |
| bryceh | mvo, Sarvatt, I've put in a suggestion that the xorg-edgers ppa-purge might be worthwhile to add to python-software-properties: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bryceharrington/software-properties/rm-apt-repository/+merge/25988 | 19:36 |
| bryceh | mvo, Sarvatt, and rename it to 'rm-apt-repository' so it is matchy to 'add-apt-repository' | 19:37 |
| Sarvatt | bryceh: nice, thanks for that! | 19:52 |
| Sarvatt | bjsnider: no it didn't fix it unfortunately :( | 19:52 |
| bjsnider | that's odd | 19:57 |
| bjsnider | what are you saying, that mobile chip users have to use an old blob? | 19:57 |
| Sarvatt | i'm trying 173 out now to see if it fixes it, 195 and 256 for sure are screwed up | 19:58 |
| Sarvatt | 256 even moreso, metacity is unusable with it | 19:59 |
| Sarvatt | with 195 just gl/glx are screwed up | 19:59 |
| Sarvatt | http://sarvatt.com/downloads/nvidialol.png | 20:02 |
| Sarvatt | thats what 256 looks like | 20:02 |
| dupondje | didn't had issues with 256 btw, installed it yesterday | 20:02 |
| Sarvatt | are you on a laptop? | 20:02 |
| dupondje | yep | 20:02 |
| Sarvatt | what GPU? | 20:03 |
| dupondje | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G71 [GeForce Go 7900 GS] (rev a1) | 20:03 |
| bjsnider | it's only the panel that's a bit screwed up | 20:03 |
| bjsnider | dupondje, the opengl version you're getting from glxinfo is 2.1 right? | 20:03 |
| Sarvatt | bjsnider: yeah, unfortunately theres no way to fix it so it always looks like that, 195 gets that same corruption maybe 1/10 boots | 20:03 |
| dupondje | bjsnider: can't check anymore, removed it again, as it didn't fix the issue I had with firefox | 20:04 |
| Sarvatt | dupondje: tried unpatching cairo? | 20:05 |
| Sarvatt | rebooting into 173 now, lessee if it works | 20:05 |
| dupondje | Sarvatt: nope | 20:05 |
| Sarvatt | dupondje: does it happen with an upstream firefox build? | 20:06 |
| Sarvatt | or just the ubuntu ones | 20:06 |
| Sarvatt | i'd try rebuilding firefox without the cairo patches | 20:06 |
| Sarvatt | like have you tried firefox 3.6.whatever straight from mozilla? | 20:07 |
| dupondje | Sarvatt: tried daily from mozilla ppa, and same issue, gonne try a version directly from mozilla | 20:10 |
| Sarvatt | yeah the daily ones have the same patches | 20:10 |
| Sarvatt | compiz looks lovely - http://sarvatt.com/downloads/nvidialolcompiz.png | 20:12 |
| Sarvatt | 173 isn't any better :( | 20:12 |
| virtuald | sarvatt: http://www.openbsd.org/songs/song39.ogg :p | 20:15 |
| bjsnider | Sarvatt, wait a minute now...let's think about this. 173 isn't any better? that code hasn't been touched in a very long time. why couldn't this be a hardware problem? | 20:19 |
| Sarvatt | i'm not putting it past being a local problem i'm missing (old libs hanging around or something), setting up a clean lucid liveusb with persistant storage to try the blob out there now | 20:20 |
| Sarvatt | and lol virtuald :) | 20:21 |
| Sarvatt | i did use to install the drivers from nvidia.com manually for years on this thing | 20:21 |
| bjsnider | that's right because you said it doesn't happen on a livecd | 20:21 |
| Sarvatt | it didn't start having this problem until the move to alternatives in lucid | 20:22 |
| Sarvatt | well more specifically when we moved to 195, it worked fine when it was first moved to alternatives | 20:23 |
| bjsnider | this is why i clean install the root partition every 6 months | 20:23 |
| Sarvatt | sometime in early feb/late january | 20:23 |
| bjsnider | rolling upgrades work in theory but not in practice | 20:23 |
| Sarvatt | i dont see *anything* it could be though | 20:23 |
| jcristau | bjsnider: tell that to the people who've been upgrading for 10+ years. | 20:24 |
| bjsnider | well, they always seem to have problems they're willing to live with | 20:24 |
| jcristau | *shrug* | 20:24 |
| Sarvatt | i've been using ubuntu as a rolling release switching to the new dev release as soon as it opens since intrepid at least with no problems | 20:25 |
| bjsnider | apparently not | 20:25 |
| Sarvatt | not sure thats actually the problem here :) | 20:25 |
| Sarvatt | hmm what's /usr/lib/nvidia/pre-install | 20:26 |
| dupondje | Sarvatt: same issue with firefox straight from mozilla :( | 20:26 |
| Sarvatt | dupondje: ah ok so its not the cairo patches.. | 20:28 |
| dupondje | scrolling on launchpad is a disaster | 20:28 |
| dupondje | Xorg going to 100% cpu, and lagging like hell | 20:28 |
| Sarvatt | happen in other browsers too? | 20:29 |
| Sarvatt | cant even use firefox at the moment to test it since all my machines are on maverick and firefox is broken because of the client side decorations :D | 20:29 |
| dupondje | its better in Chromium it seems | 20:33 |
| dupondje | max 30% cpu load or so | 20:34 |
| Sarvatt | do you have a quad core? | 20:34 |
| dupondje | dual | 20:35 |
| Sarvatt | is it any better in a newer firefox or anything? 3.7? | 20:36 |
| dupondje | same issue it seems | 20:36 |
| dupondje | but gonne try to switch to nouveau now, as I didn't had that issue on it before I switched to nvidia | 20:36 |
| Sarvatt | or is there any firefox release where you can't reproduce it so you can rule out things besides firefox being borked? | 20:36 |
| dupondje | brb | 20:38 |
| dupondje | and indeed | 20:41 |
| dupondje | nouveau has no single issue | 20:41 |
| Sarvatt | oh you just had the problem with the blob? why am I not surprised? :D | 20:41 |
| Sarvatt | was it just with compiz enabled too? | 20:42 |
| dupondje | no compiz enabled | 20:42 |
| dupondje | not on nvidia nor nouvea | 20:43 |
| dupondje | u | 20:43 |
| dupondje | :) | 20:43 |
| dupondje | so fast with nouveau :) its a dream :D | 20:45 |
| dupondje | sadly nouveau doesn't have power control, it kills my battery :D | 20:47 |
| dupondje | Sarvatt: we can conclude that the nvidia driver is just 'broken' ? :( | 20:55 |
| Sarvatt | 32 bit livecd - compiz isn't garbled but causes lots of pauses with the WAIT in xorg.0.log, glxinfo still locks up the system for 10 seconds or so.. argh :( | 21:23 |
| Sarvatt | time to try karmic out again | 21:23 |
| Sarvatt | throwing another wrench in it - when i deactivated nvidia-current and activated nvidia-173 it left nvidia-current installed and set up, no wonder if wasn't any different :) | 21:36 |
| kklimonda | hey, is there a semi-official ppa with updates for X drivers? | 21:41 |
| kklimonda | like newer version of nvidia 195 driver for lucid | 21:41 |
| Sarvatt | wow, that sucks.. it actually is a hardware problem i'm having. karmic is screwed up too and so is windows | 22:03 |
| Sarvatt | kklimonda: x-updates | 22:03 |
| Sarvatt | https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates | 22:04 |
| Sarvatt | i think tseliot put 195.36.24 in -proposed too if you dont want to jump to 256 | 22:07 |
| kklimonda | Sarvatt: either I'm blind or there is no 195.36.24 there - only a beta driver. I know that 195.36.24 may get uploaded to lucid-proposed at some point but now I don't see it anywhere. | 22:09 |
| Sarvatt | i still have the sources around for the 195.36.24 that was in x-updates before if you want it | 22:10 |
| Sarvatt | let me find a PPA to throw it in | 22:10 |
| Sarvatt | urg, nouveau 3D is working fine, what the heck | 22:11 |
| kklimonda | Sarvatt: I don't need them - I'm just writing a small howto on updating sound and graphics drivers for stable Ubuntu releases. Right now on my LoCo forum there are a lot of people suggesting compiling alsa from sources and installing nvidia drivers from nvidia.com | 22:11 |
| Sarvatt | well that place is x-updates, I may have jumped the gun updating to 256 early but the same could be said about upgrading to 195.36.24 because I did it while those were beta too :) the 256 ones will probably be branded official instead of beta in a week given the track record for the past year worth of updates | 22:22 |
| dupondje | All we need is nouveau ;) | 22:24 |
| Sarvatt | yup nouveau 3D actually works \o/ | 22:27 |
| Sarvatt | cant get 3D working right with the blob in karmic or lucid all the sudden for some reason | 22:27 |
| dupondje | Sarvatt: with git version or what ? :) | 22:28 |
| Sarvatt | yea xorg-edgers | 22:28 |
| dupondje | sweet :) | 22:29 |
| dupondje | Power Management would be sweet also but alot of improvement has been done already | 22:29 |
| Sarvatt | need to use the 2.6.34 kernel in the ppa on lucid to use it though, not installed automatically | 22:30 |
| dupondje | or Maverick ? | 22:31 |
| Sarvatt | yea the one in the PPA is the maverick kernel copied over to lucid | 22:31 |
| Sarvatt | nouveau hasn't been working in maverick stock for a few weeks now, needs to be rebuilt.. | 22:32 |
| dupondje | its a dilemma again :) go Maverick with issues, but bleeding edge :) or stay Lucid :p | 22:34 |
| Sarvatt | if you use gnome i would just use lucid+ppas for awhile, maverick is all kinds of messed up thanks to the gtk client side decorations stuff being enabled :) | 22:36 |
| dupondje | new kernel version is being pushed to the ppa also it seems :) | 22:40 |
| Sarvatt | yeah just saw it was uploaded to maverick and copied it over. pcie aspm finally enabled in a ubuntu kernel \o/ | 22:44 |
| Sarvatt | what the heck is going on there - http://launchpadlibrarian.net/49099476/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-i386.xserver-xorg-video-ati_1:6.13.99%2Bgit20100525.428125c0-0ubuntu0sarvatt_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 23:00 |
| Sarvatt | just happening on lucid.. | 23:00 |
| Sarvatt | err maverick | 23:00 |
| jcristau | Sarvatt: pkg-config bug | 23:02 |
| jcristau | bugs.debian.org/583005 | 23:02 |
| Sarvatt | happening in debian too? | 23:02 |
| Sarvatt | ahh | 23:02 |
| jcristau | gcc doesn't like -fvisibility\=hidden too much. | 23:03 |
| Sarvatt | hah actually reset my 945 successfully while hung, echo "wedged : 0" | sudo tee /sys/kernel/debug/dri/0/i915_wedged | 23:17 |
| Sarvatt | hmm gnome-control-center's appearance preferences gives a warning that the blob isnt installed and needs to be to activate desktop effects even though it works fine on xorg-edgers, wonder if thats in the desktop effects integration patch or jockey | 23:21 |
| Sarvatt | looks like its the jockey-gtk --check-composite call | 23:22 |
| Sarvatt | RAOF: you were asking if I packaged up libkms? http://sarvatt.com/downloads/patches/libkms.patch | 23:57 |
| Sarvatt | it still doesn't build though | 23:57 |
| RAOF | Sarvatt: Thanks. I thought that while I was futzing about with egl/gles/openvg I might as well get the kms framebuffer drivers working, too. | 23:58 |
| Sarvatt | i've got libegl here too - http://sarvatt.com/downloads/patches/egl.patch | 23:59 |
| Sarvatt | the egl/gles stuff needs a seperate branch of mesa 7.8 though i think? | 23:59 |
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