[02:36] <coz_> hey guys I am not sure about this... which aspect of ubuntu would be responsible for right click drive icons with no unmount available?
[02:43] <RAOF> coz_: That would be something on the desktop; probably nautilus.
[02:45] <coz_> RAOF,  ah ok thanks  I was  getting confused about who would be responsible   :)
[03:03] <RAOF> Hey, asac.  Bouncy network?
[03:23] <Sarvatt> i think he switched to your old isp :)
[03:32] <RAOF> Man, anything touching i965g in any way is a one-way ticket to GPU hang.
[03:32] <Sarvatt> anyone know if anyone has started debianizing mesa/demos? kind of hesitant to update mesa in edgers now with it gone
[03:33] <Sarvatt> i'm not even putting that in libgl1-mesa-dri-gallium on edgers its so broken :D
[03:33] <RAOF> Not at this point, no.
[03:34] <RAOF> There's no release with mesa/demos yet, is there.  I'm not sure if Debian want a snapshot, even in experimental.
[03:34] <RAOF> However... asking in #debian-x would make that clearer :)
[03:36] <Sarvatt> i guess it wont remove the old mesa-utils on upgrade and it doesnt really change much so its not that big a deal
[03:42] <RAOF> Yeah.  It shouldn't use any non-public ABI, which means that it'll survive just fine.
[03:42] <RAOF> Once there's a release we can split out the demos, and there will be much rejoicing.
[03:43] <RAOF> Man, why doesn't debian have dbgsym infrastructure yet? :(
[03:52] <Sarvatt> does debian still require locally built and uploaded binary packages for amd64?
[03:53] <Sarvatt> or am I crazy and did they never do that? i haven't looked into it as much as I should have
[03:54] <RAOF> I don't think they ever* required that.
[03:54] <RAOF> * For values of “ever” extending multiple years back.
[03:55] <RAOF> You *are* required to locally build and upload a binary package, from what I can gather.
[04:34] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Hey, did you ever end up packaging libkms?
[10:16] <lucazade> hi Bernardo
[10:19] <alf__> RAOF: Hi!
[10:24] <alf__> Has there been any progress on the Mesa package with OpenGL ES support?
[12:59] <maco> bryceh: you declined Bug #563100 a while ago, believing it to be a bug in the proprietary nvidia driver.  upstream, it was declared an X bug, and there is a 1-line patch to fix it. can you give it another look?
[12:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 563100 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Mouse movement corrupted with Xinerama enabled (affects: 33) (dups: 5) (heat: 232)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/563100
[13:00] <maco> bryceh: also, others on lp are adamant that there's not really a proper workaround since nouveau can't handle having 2 graphics cards in use at once
[13:03] <akoya-6805> do you expect ati multi-gpu configurations to work?
[13:08] <maco> no idea. have they ever?
[13:09] <maco> oh wait thats not in context of the bug i was just talking about for nvidia users
[13:09] <maco> (since you just /join'd)
[13:09] <maco> ignore me :) im not an X person
[13:12]  * akoya-6805 ignores maco
[13:13] <coz_> maco,  interesing...not x person either but I have noticed an issue with cursor on both single an dual monitor systems here... not responding well or jumping about the screen particularly on single monitor 
[13:28] <siriusnova> Howdy
[13:28] <siriusnova> you guys running the ubuntu-x-swat ppa?
[14:02] <tseliot> akoya-6805: it should work with fglrx
[14:06] <akoya-6805> not if one card is "legacy" ;)
[14:09] <akoya-6805> #radeon guys said i'need the vga arbiter...
[14:11] <tseliot> akoya-6805: you can't use fglrx and radeon at the same time, therefore, when I said "fglrx", I excluded this use case
[14:12] <tseliot> if you use Lucid, the arbiter is available. I'm not sure if radeon supports multiple GPUs
[14:13] <akoya-6805> fair enough
[14:13] <jcristau> sure it does.
[14:13] <akoya-6805> with kms it's generally expected to work
[14:14] <akoya-6805> (accourding to #radeon adamk)
[14:14] <tseliot> I've never tried myself. I guess it's just RandR that doesn't make use of multiple gpus
[14:15] <akoya-6805> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/439310/
[14:15] <akoya-6805> see for yourself, although that is with ums
[14:16] <tseliot> ok
[14:17] <tseliot> akoya-6805: so what's the problem?
[14:17] <tseliot> or were you just asking?
[14:19] <akoya-6805> i guess my question had been answered ;) 
[14:19] <akoya-6805> but:now i have to troubleshoot kms
[14:19] <akoya-6805> reading on that now...
[17:08] <dupondje> hi guys. Is there somebody awake here atm ?
[17:10] <bjsnider> what an amusing article on phoronix about the openchrome driver, or whatever it's being called now
[17:11] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/562802 => any idea whats causing that ? seems to only happen with nvidia driver, not with nouveau
[17:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 562802 in firefox (Ubuntu) "xorg use cpu 100% sometime with firefox (affects: 4) (heat: 24)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[17:24] <Azelphur> Hi, anyone know how I'd hide the mouse pointer permanently?
[17:25] <Azelphur> It's for a touch screen device, and there's no mouse going to be connected. So the mouse pointer just gets in the way
[17:57] <Sarvatt> chrisccoulson: have you seen this? http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/devel/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.7.0-randr-gamma-restore.patch?view=markup
[17:57] <Sarvatt> regarding the gnome-screensaver failing to restore gamma the second time problem
[17:58] <chrisccoulson> Sarvatt, that looks like it might fix it
[18:01] <chrisccoulson> Sarvatt - could you point RAOF to that when he's online?
[18:01] <Sarvatt> yepyep
[18:03] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[18:13] <Sarvatt> mesa dropped 3MB off the tarball size by dropping demos, i was deleting progs/objviewer before making the tarball before too so it's probably closer to 10MB+ :)
[18:32] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, did that adjustment to powermizer fix your gpu?
[18:32] <bjsnider> i need closure on that anecdote
[18:44] <dupondje> somebody has any idea on my issue ?
[19:00] <dupondje> nobody ? :D
[19:32] <Sarvatt> bjsnider: i haven't had time to test it, will test it now
[19:36] <bryceh> mvo, Sarvatt, I've put in a suggestion that the xorg-edgers ppa-purge might be worthwhile to add to python-software-properties:  https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bryceharrington/software-properties/rm-apt-repository/+merge/25988
[19:37] <bryceh> mvo, Sarvatt, and rename it to 'rm-apt-repository' so it is matchy to 'add-apt-repository'
[19:52] <Sarvatt> bryceh: nice, thanks for that!
[19:52] <Sarvatt> bjsnider: no it didn't fix it unfortunately :(
[19:57] <bjsnider> that's odd
[19:57] <bjsnider> what are you saying, that mobile chip users have to use an old blob?
[19:58] <Sarvatt> i'm trying 173 out now to see if it fixes it, 195 and 256 for sure are screwed up
[19:59] <Sarvatt> 256 even moreso, metacity is unusable with it
[19:59] <Sarvatt> with 195 just gl/glx are screwed up
[20:02] <Sarvatt> http://sarvatt.com/downloads/nvidialol.png
[20:02] <Sarvatt> thats what 256 looks like
[20:02] <dupondje> didn't had issues with 256 btw, installed it yesterday
[20:02] <Sarvatt> are you on a laptop?
[20:02] <dupondje> yep
[20:03] <Sarvatt> what GPU?
[20:03] <dupondje> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G71 [GeForce Go 7900 GS] (rev a1)
[20:03] <bjsnider> it's only the panel that's a bit screwed up
[20:03] <bjsnider> dupondje, the opengl version you're getting from glxinfo is 2.1 right?
[20:03] <Sarvatt> bjsnider: yeah, unfortunately theres no way to fix it so it always looks like that, 195 gets that same corruption maybe 1/10 boots
[20:04] <dupondje> bjsnider: can't check anymore, removed it again, as it didn't fix the issue I had with firefox
[20:05] <Sarvatt> dupondje: tried unpatching cairo?
[20:05] <Sarvatt> rebooting into 173 now, lessee if it works
[20:05] <dupondje> Sarvatt: nope
[20:06] <Sarvatt> dupondje: does it happen with an upstream firefox build?
[20:06] <Sarvatt> or just the ubuntu ones
[20:06] <Sarvatt> i'd try rebuilding firefox without the cairo patches
[20:07] <Sarvatt> like have you tried firefox 3.6.whatever straight from mozilla?
[20:10] <dupondje> Sarvatt: tried daily from mozilla ppa, and same issue, gonne try a version directly from mozilla 
[20:10] <Sarvatt> yeah the daily ones have the same patches
[20:12] <Sarvatt> compiz looks lovely - http://sarvatt.com/downloads/nvidialolcompiz.png
[20:12] <Sarvatt> 173 isn't any better :(
[20:15] <virtuald> sarvatt: http://www.openbsd.org/songs/song39.ogg :p
[20:19] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, wait a minute now...let's think about this. 173 isn't any better? that code hasn't been touched in a very long time. why couldn't this be a hardware problem?
[20:20] <Sarvatt> i'm not putting it past being a local problem i'm missing (old libs hanging around or something), setting up a clean lucid liveusb with persistant storage to try the blob out there now
[20:21] <Sarvatt> and lol virtuald :)
[20:21] <Sarvatt> i did use to install the drivers from nvidia.com manually for years on this thing
[20:21] <bjsnider> that's right because you said it doesn't happen on a livecd
[20:22] <Sarvatt> it didn't start having this problem until the move to alternatives in lucid
[20:23] <Sarvatt> well more specifically when we moved to 195, it worked fine when it was first moved to alternatives
[20:23] <bjsnider> this is why i clean install the root partition every 6 months
[20:23] <Sarvatt> sometime in early feb/late january
[20:23] <bjsnider> rolling upgrades work in theory but not in practice
[20:23] <Sarvatt> i dont see *anything* it could be though
[20:24] <jcristau> bjsnider: tell that to the people who've been upgrading for 10+ years.
[20:24] <bjsnider> well, they always seem to have problems they're willing to live with
[20:24] <jcristau> *shrug*
[20:25] <Sarvatt> i've been using ubuntu as a rolling release switching to the new dev release as soon as it opens since intrepid at least with no problems
[20:25] <bjsnider> apparently not
[20:25] <Sarvatt> not sure thats actually the problem here :)
[20:26] <Sarvatt> hmm what's /usr/lib/nvidia/pre-install
[20:26] <dupondje> Sarvatt: same issue with firefox straight from mozilla :(
[20:28] <Sarvatt> dupondje: ah ok so its not the cairo patches..
[20:28] <dupondje> scrolling on launchpad is a disaster
[20:28] <dupondje> Xorg going to 100% cpu, and lagging like hell
[20:29] <Sarvatt> happen in other browsers too?
[20:29] <Sarvatt> cant even use firefox at the moment to test it since all my machines are on maverick and firefox is broken because of the client side decorations :D
[20:33] <dupondje> its better in Chromium it seems
[20:34] <dupondje> max 30% cpu load or so
[20:34] <Sarvatt> do you have a quad core?
[20:35] <dupondje> dual
[20:36] <Sarvatt> is it any better in a newer firefox or anything? 3.7?
[20:36] <dupondje> same issue it seems
[20:36] <dupondje> but gonne try to switch to nouveau now, as I didn't had that issue on it before I switched to nvidia
[20:36] <Sarvatt> or is there any firefox release where you can't reproduce it so you can rule out things besides firefox being borked?
[20:38] <dupondje> brb
[20:41] <dupondje> and indeed
[20:41] <dupondje> nouveau has no single issue
[20:41] <Sarvatt> oh you just had the problem with the blob? why am I not surprised? :D
[20:42] <Sarvatt> was it just with compiz enabled too?
[20:42] <dupondje> no compiz enabled
[20:43] <dupondje> not on nvidia nor nouvea
[20:43] <dupondje> u
[20:43] <dupondje> :)
[20:45] <dupondje> so fast with nouveau :) its a dream :D
[20:47] <dupondje> sadly nouveau doesn't have power control, it kills my battery :D
[20:55] <dupondje> Sarvatt: we can conclude that the nvidia driver is just 'broken' ? :(
[21:23] <Sarvatt> 32 bit livecd - compiz isn't garbled but causes lots of pauses with the WAIT in xorg.0.log, glxinfo still locks up the system for 10 seconds or so..  argh :(
[21:23] <Sarvatt> time to try karmic out again
[21:36] <Sarvatt> throwing another wrench in it - when i deactivated nvidia-current and activated nvidia-173 it left nvidia-current installed and set up, no wonder if wasn't any different :)
[21:41] <kklimonda> hey, is there a semi-official ppa with updates for X drivers?
[21:41] <kklimonda> like newer version of nvidia 195 driver for lucid
[22:03] <Sarvatt> wow, that sucks.. it actually is a hardware problem i'm having. karmic is screwed up too and so is windows
[22:03] <Sarvatt> kklimonda: x-updates
[22:04] <Sarvatt> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates
[22:07] <Sarvatt> i think tseliot put 195.36.24 in -proposed too if you dont want to jump to 256
[22:09] <kklimonda> Sarvatt: either I'm blind or there is no 195.36.24 there - only a beta driver. I know that 195.36.24 may get uploaded to lucid-proposed at some point but now I don't see it anywhere.
[22:10] <Sarvatt> i still have the sources around for the 195.36.24 that was in x-updates before if you want it
[22:10] <Sarvatt> let me find a PPA to throw it in
[22:11] <Sarvatt> urg, nouveau 3D is working fine, what the heck
[22:11] <kklimonda> Sarvatt: I don't need them - I'm just writing a small howto on updating sound and graphics drivers for stable Ubuntu releases. Right now on my LoCo forum there are a lot of people suggesting compiling alsa from sources and installing nvidia drivers from nvidia.com
[22:22] <Sarvatt> well that place is x-updates, I may have jumped the gun updating to 256 early but the same could be said about upgrading to 195.36.24 because I did it while those were beta too :) the 256 ones will probably be branded official instead of beta in a week given the track record for the past year worth of updates
[22:24] <dupondje> All we need is nouveau ;)
[22:27] <Sarvatt> yup nouveau 3D actually works \o/
[22:27] <Sarvatt> cant get 3D working right with the blob in karmic or lucid all the sudden for some reason
[22:28] <dupondje> Sarvatt: with git version or what ? :)
[22:28] <Sarvatt> yea xorg-edgers
[22:29] <dupondje> sweet :)
[22:29] <dupondje> Power Management would be sweet also but alot of improvement has been done already
[22:30] <Sarvatt> need to use the 2.6.34 kernel in the ppa on lucid to use it though, not installed automatically
[22:31] <dupondje> or Maverick ?
[22:31] <Sarvatt> yea the one in the PPA is the maverick kernel copied over to lucid
[22:32] <Sarvatt> nouveau hasn't been working in maverick stock for a few weeks now, needs to be rebuilt..
[22:34] <dupondje> its a dilemma again :) go Maverick with issues, but bleeding edge :) or stay Lucid :p
[22:36] <Sarvatt> if you use gnome i would just use lucid+ppas for awhile, maverick is all kinds of messed up thanks to the gtk client side decorations stuff being enabled :)
[22:40] <dupondje> new kernel version is being pushed to the ppa also it seems :)
[22:44] <Sarvatt> yeah just saw it was uploaded to maverick and copied it over. pcie aspm finally enabled in a ubuntu kernel \o/
[23:00] <Sarvatt> what the heck is going on there - http://launchpadlibrarian.net/49099476/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-i386.xserver-xorg-video-ati_1:6.13.99%2Bgit20100525.428125c0-0ubuntu0sarvatt_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[23:00] <Sarvatt> just happening on lucid..
[23:00] <Sarvatt> err maverick
[23:02] <jcristau> Sarvatt: pkg-config bug
[23:02] <jcristau> bugs.debian.org/583005
[23:02] <Sarvatt> happening in debian too?
[23:02] <Sarvatt> ahh
[23:03] <jcristau> gcc doesn't like -fvisibility\=hidden too much.
[23:17] <Sarvatt> hah actually reset my 945 successfully while hung,  echo "wedged : 0" | sudo tee /sys/kernel/debug/dri/0/i915_wedged
[23:21] <Sarvatt> hmm gnome-control-center's appearance preferences gives a warning that the blob isnt installed and needs to be to activate desktop effects even though it works fine on xorg-edgers, wonder if thats in the desktop effects integration patch or jockey
[23:22] <Sarvatt> looks like its the jockey-gtk --check-composite call
[23:57] <Sarvatt> RAOF: you were asking if I packaged up libkms?  http://sarvatt.com/downloads/patches/libkms.patch
[23:57] <Sarvatt> it still doesn't build though
[23:58] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Thanks.  I thought that while I was futzing about with egl/gles/openvg I might as well get the kms framebuffer drivers working, too.
[23:59] <Sarvatt> i've got libegl here too - http://sarvatt.com/downloads/patches/egl.patch
[23:59] <Sarvatt> the egl/gles stuff needs a seperate branch of mesa 7.8 though i think?