[01:12] <abstrakt> anyone awake :)
[01:13] <abstrakt> looking for anyone here who has successfully done a simple video montage by putting clips of video to music
[01:13] <abstrakt> for example
[01:13] <abstrakt> cuz that's what i am trying to do, but kino doesn't seem to have any features for doing this
[01:14] <rlameiro> try openshot or pitivi
[01:15] <abstrakt> ok yeah pitivi has the audio+video sequencing
[01:15] <abstrakt> now the tricky part :)
[01:15] <abstrakt> how can i crop
[01:16] <rlameiro> well i dont know
[01:16] <abstrakt> e.g. have 4 different vid clips playing in e.g. four "boxes"
[01:16] <rlameiro> but i should be easy
[01:17] <rlameiro> when i did video plus audio i used xjadeo only for the video and edited the audio on ardour
[01:17] <abstrakt> right well i already recorded a song in ardour
[01:17] <abstrakt> so that's done, that was a fairly decent experience, ardour is nice
[01:18] <abstrakt> will be nicer when it has midi, but fundamentally i don't want to be making midi music anyway
[01:18] <rlameiro> well import the audio to pitivi
[01:18] <abstrakt> i guess maybe i need openshot now, don't think pitivi will crop
[01:18] <rlameiro> and the video
[01:18] <abstrakt> yeah i already did that
[01:18] <abstrakt> that'll be fine, but now i need to crop/collage/montage
[01:18] <rlameiro> i think i used openshot
[01:18] <abstrakt> e.g. multiple clips in the same vid
[01:18] <abstrakt> k i'll try openshot next
[01:18] <rlameiro> yeap, maybe openshot suit best
[01:19] <rlameiro> sleep time now
[01:19] <rlameiro> cya and good luck
[01:19] <abstrakt> comes with 10.04 but not 9.10 :(
[01:19] <abstrakt> well pooh
[01:39] <acerimmer> abstrakt?
[05:02] <abstrakt> ok so now that i've created my video in openshot
[05:02] <abstrakt> i wanted to export it as h264 and mp3
[05:02] <abstrakt> and, probably, flv
[05:03] <abstrakt> but if i choose flv then i only see h263 in the other list
[05:03] <abstrakt> what's up with that?
[08:13] <bawww> hello
[08:13] <bawww> does ubuntustudio have repositories that are more upto date for multimedia applications ?
[08:13] <bawww> or video editing software?
[08:26] <astraljava> bawww: Ubuntu Studio uses the same repositories than Ubuntu vanilla, so no external repos with more up-to-date applications, sorry.
[13:18] <mawst> Oh word.
[13:18] <mawst> Anyone know if theres a PC keyboard controllable virtual midi I can use with energyxt?
[14:16] <psidrum> anyone know if theres a gnome applet that connects to google bookmarks
[15:00] <psidrum> what does the Enable Nice option in Ubuntu Studio Controls mean?
[15:01] <VehementStar> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nice_(Unix)
[15:02] <VehementStar> That explains it better than I could attempt to right now :)
[15:07] <psidrum> ok thnks, whats the recommended nice for running music apps
[15:07] <VehementStar> depends on what else you have running on the machine
[15:07] <VehementStar> and how much power you really have
[15:07] <VehementStar> I wouldn't mess with it unless I needed to
[15:08] <psidrum> dual core, just wondering since im running a RT kernel and i set jack to RT and i get more xruns than when im using softmode in generic kernel
[15:09] <VehementStar> Are you seeing high utilization and load?
[15:10] <psidrum> no
[15:10] <VehementStar> I don't think nice will help you, then.
[15:10] <psidrum> ok
[15:11] <VehementStar> However, it wouldn't hurt to give it a shot.
[15:11] <VehementStar> you may be able to improve overall performance, but I doubt it.
[15:11] <VehementStar> the guys in #jack may be able to help, too
[15:17] <VehementStar> yay!
[19:40] <artisan> re
[19:41] <artisan> I had a strange experience the last 2 hours :)
[19:41] <artisan> I had blacklisted snd_hda_indel to have my ews88mt as primary soundcard with no interference
[19:42] <artisan> after reboot, I booted into -rt kernel for testing, I experiened horrable x-lags
[19:42] <artisan> after trying everything with nvidia drivers / compiz / metacity $whatever, I just un-blacklisted snd_hda_intel and
[19:42] <artisan> voila, all is back to normal.
[19:42] <artisan> it seems pulseaudio was hogging the system.
[19:43] <artisan> I suppose it had something to do with the intel card being selected in the pulse audio settings.
[19:44] <artisan> now wanting to switch those setting to the ews88mt I had to realize, that the hardware tab in sound preferences just lists no card at all
[19:44] <artisan> (should be three: onboard intel, ews88mt & bt848 tv card)
[19:45] <artisan> how do i start to debug here?
[20:53] <artisan> argl. this pulse audio will kill me one day .. garl
[20:59] <artisan> it is unbelievable. once pulse has a problem and doesn't start properly, the whole system lags like not see nbefore
[20:59] <artisan> htop shows nothing, but the whole X is lagging like hell
[21:11] <artisan> anyone here familiar with this pulseaudio mess?
[21:37] <Reaby> hi, where can i find expander ladspa plugin for ardour which has sidechain option
[21:40] <Reaby> i found only one expander - at tap dynamics, but it lacks the sidechain
[21:52] <holstein> hey Reaby
[21:52] <holstein> have you asked in #ardour ?
[21:53] <holstein> also, #opensourcemusicians
[21:53] <Reaby> just asked at #ardour
[21:53] <holstein> im sure there is one available
[21:53] <holstein> did you talk to las Reaby ?
[22:12] <Reaby> holstein: nope, i got some tips from #ardour
[22:13] <holstein> :)
[22:21] <artisan> ok, so far I got pulse using my 8 channel card as default output. is it possible with pulse to have apps on selected outputs? (like on channel 1&2 and not 3-8?
[22:21] <artisan> (actually pulse puts the mplayer putput to all 8 channels)
[22:21] <artisan> or is that definitive a job for jack?
[22:24] <holstein> JACK artisan
[22:25] <holstein> that should do it
[22:25] <holstein> route whatever you want really
[22:27] <artisan> holstein: ok, so, how do I integrate jack & pulse? (as there seems to be no real option to just uninstall pulse)
[22:33] <artisan> ok, just wile testing, i got for the first time ever multiple pulse outputs into jack and multiple system captures into pulse :)
[22:33] <artisan> looks good!
[22:34] <holstein> artisan: in my lucid set upt
[22:34] <holstein> up*
[22:34] <holstein> and the way it should work
[22:34] <holstein> pulse gets suspended when you start Qjackctl
[22:35] <holstein> if you want to use pulse through jack
[22:35] <holstein> you want...
[22:35] <artisan> funny though, that pulse has 8 sinks and sources and my ews88mt now has 12 captures and 10 playbacks (it is only 8 channels each in hw .. so I thought)
[22:35] <holstein> well
[22:36] <holstein> at least you want to read about
[22:36] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/kxstudio
[22:36] <artisan> yay, another approach :)
[22:36] <holstein> jack-pulse bridge i think?
[22:36] <holstein> i havent tried it yet
[22:36] <holstein> BUT i know it works
[22:37] <artisan> I have tried it a couple of times, but always pulse was on the wrong card, jack coughed somehow and went onto the same card.
[22:38] <artisan> suddenly with all my testing today, the multichannel card got card0 in alsa, and voila
[22:38] <artisan> now pulse-jack even works for me.
[22:38] <artisan> I never really understood why it didn't work :)
[22:38] <artisan> now it does and I won't touch it again, lol
[22:38] <artisan> kxstudio is a fork of ubuntustudio?
[22:38] <holstein> OH
[22:38] <holstein> thats a whole different thing actually
[22:39] <artisan> rly?
[22:39] <holstein> ive never heard about a sucessful 2 card test
[22:39] <artisan> ooops, you now what:
[22:39] <holstein> i got an 8 channel card too
[22:39] <artisan> external has 8, internal has 2 and tv card has 2 .. makes 12
[22:39] <holstein> but i just use it with JACK sans pulse
[22:39] <holstein> artisan: nice :)
[22:40] <artisan> uh, funny :)
[22:40] <artisan> never knew it works
[22:40] <holstein> kxstudio is pretty sweet
[22:40] <artisan> (have the falk-t-x ppa there, must be jack2 :)
[22:40] <holstein> ckeck it out
[22:40] <holstein> and falktx hangs out in the ubuntu-devel channel and #opensourcmusicians
[22:41] <artisan> why is kxstudio not the same as ubuntustudio (lost track of dev efforts for ubuntustudio)
[22:41] <artisan> good to know!
[22:41] <holstein> kx is just his
[22:41] <holstein> AFAIK
[22:41] <artisan> ic, and he is in ubuntustudio as well?
[22:41] <holstein> falk's personal project
[22:41] <artisan> k
[22:41] <holstein> its lucid based
[22:41] <holstein> BUT
[22:41] <holstein> you can use his repos and cutom packages
[22:42] <holstein> with lucid
[22:42] <artisan> so I do, nice to get the latest development nicely packaged for testing :)
[22:43] <holstein> yup
[22:43] <holstein> i havent done it yet
[22:43] <holstein> BUT lots of folks say its solid
[22:43] <holstein> and the guy is really on the ball it seems
[22:44] <artisan> well, it looks solid .. 12 in 10 out .. o.O
[22:44] <artisan> a thing everybody always said would never work.
[22:44] <artisan> but hey, I expect samplerate problems :)
[22:45] <artisan> and no, there is no output on the onboard card :)
[22:45] <holstein> thats awesome
[22:45] <holstein> you should check out the wiki over there at #opensourcemusicians
[22:45] <holstein> if you feel like sharing that setup
[22:46] <artisan> hm, nah, actually there is *no* sound on the internal
[22:46] <holstein> thats supppose to be the output card?
[22:47] <artisan> nope, supposed output card is the 8 channel. which works
[22:47] <holstein> OH
[22:47] <holstein> i gotcha
[22:47] <holstein> 8 out
[22:47] <artisan> but I was just curious and connected sound to the left over 12 channels
[22:47] <holstein> i got 8 in
[22:47] <artisan> (9-12)
[22:48] <artisan> yeah, and 8 in as well
[22:48] <holstein> ok
[22:48] <artisan> but there is actually 12 in in qjackctl and 10 out, which is funny
[22:48] <holstein> maybe some spidif out it doesnt know about?
[22:49] <artisan> hm, could be
[22:51] <artisan> there are supposed to be some digital ins and outs I seem to have forgotten (and jack never showed them up before as well)
[22:51] <holstein> what unit?
[22:51] <artisan> ews88mt from terratec
[22:52] <holstein> good to know
[22:53] <holstein> i bet you can get a used one now pretty reasonalbe
[22:53] <holstein> whats the latency like?
[22:53] <holstein> decent?
[22:56] <artisan> yeah, now I remember whats the tricky part with that setup ..
[22:56] <artisan> you can't easily restart jack, as pulse freaks out
[22:56] <holstein> with that custom distro
[22:57] <holstein> KXstudio
[22:57] <holstein> jackk is running at login
[22:57] <artisan> yeah, here too, but wanna change frames? reboot ..
[22:57] <artisan> hmm
[22:58] <artisan> I was working with 16ms latency, just wanted to test with 2ms
[22:58] <holstein> not bad
[22:59] <artisan> and now, with a freaking pulse, X isnt responding properly. hehe, i was trying all afternoon finding out why my system lags like hell, until i discovered pulse is the source for that
[23:00] <artisan> holstein: is there only reboot as a way to restart sound services in that kind of setup?
[23:00] <holstein> no
[23:00] <holstein> theres a restart.d or seomthing
[23:01] <artisan> hmm
[23:01] <holstein> i cant remember though
[23:01] <holstein> OH
[23:01] <holstein> i used jack_control -something
[23:01] <holstein> that didnt get pulse though
[23:01] <artisan> ah
[23:02] <artisan> jack_control is a very good hint! thx
[23:02]  * holstein cant remember....
[23:03] <artisan> hmm, dbus: jack server could not be started ..
[23:03] <artisan> *sigh*
[23:03] <holstein> hmmmm
[23:03] <holstein> no other errors?
[23:03] <holstein> can you kill it
[23:04] <holstein> and start is with qjackctl in the terminal
[23:04] <holstein> OR look that the 'massages' window
[23:04] <holstein> in Qjack?
[23:05] <artisan> 00:04:49.338 D-BUS: JACK server could not be started. Sorry
[23:05] <artisan> thats all
[23:06] <holstein> hmmm
[23:06] <holstein> sudo killall jackd ?
[23:06] <holstein> maybe something is still hanging on
[23:06] <holstein> OH
[23:06] <holstein> wait
[23:06] <holstein> you changes settings right?
[23:07] <holstein> i bet thats it
[23:07] <artisan> no jackd running, no pulse running.
[23:07] <artisan> new started qjackctl, yields the error above ..
[23:08] <holstein> what changes did you make?
[23:08] <artisan> just swithc from 256 frames/period to 32
[23:08] <artisan> but, I believe it is a pulse issue
[23:08] <artisan> someone is sitting on alsa
[23:08] <artisan> that must be pulse
[23:10] <artisan> E: module.c: Failed to load  module "module-jack-sink" (argument: "channels=8"): initialization failed.
[23:10] <artisan> thats what pulse sez
[23:10] <artisan> because jack isnt running
[23:10] <artisan> jack i cant start, because there is something borked.
[23:10] <artisan> no sound apps running so far
[23:11] <holstein> doesnt seem to want all your 8 channels now
[23:11] <holstein> hmmm
[23:13] <artisan> funny thouhg, starting jackd from cli works.
[23:14] <artisan> and pulse just started itself.
[23:14] <artisan> hm, to much automagic for me :)
[23:35] <artisan> holstein: ever tried different realtime kernels? https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa/
[23:35] <artisan> so, does one want lowlatency or realtime .. hmmmmm
[23:36] <holstein> i just use the RT one
[23:36] <holstein> ive used other distro's RT kernels
[23:38] <artisan> yey, I 'll try alesio's :)
[23:38] <rlameiro> artisan: it depends what you want to do with it
[23:38] <rlameiro> if you run a RT kernel on you laptop you will dry much faster the battery
[23:38] <artisan> usually i want to have a decent low latency for audio.
[23:39] <artisan> and on a lappi suspend would be fantastic.
[23:39] <rlameiro> but for what? f
[23:39] <artisan> dj mixing
[23:39] <rlameiro> ok
[23:39] <rlameiro> so you need RT maybe
[23:39] <artisan> to prevent xruns ..
[23:40] <artisan> why is rt using more battery?
[23:40] <holstein> you dont really need low latency though
[23:40] <holstein> for DJ'ing
[23:40] <rlameiro> well to prevent XRUNS low dow you latency
[23:40] <rlameiro> up your latency sorry
[23:40] <rlameiro> you dont need 8 ms latency for djing
[23:41] <holstein> if you dont need it, i wouldnt push it
[23:41] <holstein> yeah
[23:41] <rlameiro> 20 ms is ok
[23:41] <holstein> 60+ even
[23:41] <holstein> who cares
[23:41] <holstein> your not needing to sync up with anything
[23:41] <rlameiro> yeah, you are not worring if a frame drops or not, it doesnt matter for that job
[23:42] <rlameiro> and also RT kernel uses more power , because it is contantly assigning task and scheduling for audio usage or other usages
[23:42] <rlameiro> RT is for all the system :D
[23:48] <artisan> well, but to use mixxx properly you need jack, jack without rt usually sucks alot
[23:48] <rlameiro> artisan: no it doesn
[23:48] <rlameiro> it works great with the generic kernel in 10.04
[23:48] <artisan> never experienced jack without rt running without xruns ..
[23:48] <artisan> just tested on my t41p
[23:49] <rlameiro> i use it with ardour plus firewire sound interface plus Puredta and it works ok :D
[23:49] <artisan> hm
[23:49] <artisan> maybe the cpu with 1.7ghz single core pentium m isn't decent enough anymore for that kind of tasks :)
[23:49] <rlameiro> the last generic kernel on ubuntu, actually have some rt capabilities, or elese you couldnt use jack :D
[23:50] <rlameiro> and you configure jack at install time for that :D
[23:50] <rlameiro> artisan, maybe you need to increase the latency
[23:51] <artisan> rlameiro: hm, cant remember to have jack configured. otoh it was a dist upgrade ..
[23:51] <rlameiro> either the frame/period or  period buffer
[23:51] <rlameiro> well, it should work
[23:52] <artisan> Cannot lock down memory area (Cannot allocate memory)
[23:52] <artisan> 00:52:27.670 XRUN callback (1).
[23:52] <artisan> alsa_driver_xrun_recovery
[23:52] <artisan> **** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 34.126 msecs
[23:52] <artisan> just after starting jack with qjackctl
[23:53] <rlameiro> hummm
[23:53] <holstein> thats a nasty one too
[23:53] <artisan> 512 frames, 2 periods/buffer
[23:53] <artisan> ack
[23:54] <rlameiro> well the settings did changed from 9.10 to 10.4
[23:54] <rlameiro> the limits.conf is in diferent place for audio
[23:54] <artisan> hm, so do you think a pentium M 1.7ghz should be enough for mixxx/jackd without RT ?
[23:54] <artisan> oh. /etc/security/limits.conf or another one?
[23:55] <rlameiro> it changed in this release
[23:55] <rlameiro> let me digg up the help wiki
[23:55] <rlameiro> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation
[23:55] <rlameiro> thre is a note somewhere about it
[23:56] <artisan> etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf
[23:56] <artisan> hm
[23:57] <rlameiro> maybe it didnt changed it on the dist upgrade
[23:57] <rlameiro> or you didnt accept the window that usualy appears on install time
[23:57] <artisan> ack, it just took the settings from the former limits.conf
[23:59] <rlameiro> well put the buffer at 1024 :D
[23:59] <rlameiro> its my normal usage for playing stuff