[02:35] <JontheEchidna> anybody working on the new rekonq beta?
[02:37] <JontheEchidna> wow, there's ktorrent 4.0 too... we're going to be so busy :)
[02:38] <JontheEchidna> gotta package libktorrent now, too
[02:42] <shtylman> launchpad now support build recipies :)
[02:42] <shtylman> you can now ask it to build your packages right into a ppa 
[02:42] <shtylman> the future is now
[02:42] <JontheEchidna> hrmhrm
[02:42] <JontheEchidna> shtylman: did the Qt import ever work?
[02:43] <shtylman> nope
[02:43] <shtylman> not yet
[02:43] <JontheEchidna> :(
[02:43] <shtylman> I will poke at it more tomorrow...
[02:43] <shtylman> it may just be too big or something
[02:43] <JontheEchidna> heh, a good way to stress-test the new system, at any rate
[02:43] <shtylman> yep
[02:43] <JontheEchidna> pinged any #launchpad guys about it?
[02:44] <shtylman> not yet
[02:44] <shtylman> but I will
[02:44] <JontheEchidna> exciting times
[02:44] <shtylman> yep
[02:44]  * JontheEchidna uploads rekonq 0.4.90
[02:45] <JontheEchidna> rekonq is so lovely and small. Very short build time
[02:45] <shtylman> cool
[02:45] <shtylman> openoffice is not lovely and small
[02:46]  * JontheEchidna starts to giggle uncontrollably
[02:47] <JontheEchidna> Start in 34 seconds (12505) What's this? < -Gotta love the build scores for P3A's
[02:50] <shtylman> heh
[05:46] <shadeslayer> im uploading kdeartwork to the ppa,there was a power outage so couldnt upload earlier :P
[06:18] <shadeslayer> hahaha... my build is stuck at "Starting in 4 seconds" :P
[06:27] <shadeslayer> lex79: are you around?
[06:27] <shadeslayer> ok um any other ninja?
[06:41] <shadeslayer> ok if i uploaded the package to the ninja PPA,do i also have to upload the various changes in debian/ to the bzr branch?
[06:42] <NCommander> Riddell: sorry for the delay, QT4 is now being looked at
[06:45] <shadeslayer> ok what if i need to add multiple lines of change in bzr log?
[07:05] <shadeslayer> oh nvm
[07:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kdeartwork was uploaded and built,its in the ninja PPA :)
[07:17] <ScottK> shadeslayer: It should go in bzr too.
[07:17] <shadeslayer> ScottK: just the debian/ folder too?
[07:17] <shadeslayer> -too
[07:17] <ScottK> Yes.  Just debian dir.
[07:18] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ok im making a bzr branch and ill ask for a merge :)
[07:19] <shadeslayer> ScottK: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/kdeartwork/ubuntu 
[07:20]  * ScottK is about to go pass out for a few hours.
[07:20] <shadeslayer> :)
[07:21] <shadeslayer> well the first * is not aligned properly.. apart from that everything seems good :)
[08:17] <jussi> My kubuntu works again! :D
[08:51] <shadeslayer> please review : https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/kdeartwork/ubuntu/+merge/26019  
[09:31] <allee> allee
[10:00] <al> placed 10 kubuntu CDs at the water cooler two hours ago - all gone
[10:03] <shadeslayer> al: heh
[10:03] <jussi> al: nice! how big is your office?
[10:04] <al> jussi: overall ~800 people, but around this particular water cooler ;) only ~50
[10:04] <jussi> nice
[10:17] <shadeslayer> al: how many of them will actually install it? :P
[10:17] <shadeslayer> thats the main question :D
[10:24] <shadeslayer> ok small question,the maverick package for kdeartwork is -1ubuntu3 and for lucid its -1ubuntu2 in the ppa,which one should i keep if im backporting?
[10:28] <shadeslayer> wait.. the package version in lucid is -1ubuntu1 not 1ubuntu2
[10:28] <shadeslayer> ok ive versioned it as 4:4.4.80-1ubuntu1~ppa1 , any problems?
[10:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ping
[10:45] <Riddell> morning shadeslayer 
[10:46] <Riddell> if 4:4.4.80-1ubuntu3 is the version you're backporting to lucid then the backport is 4:4.4.80-1ubuntu3~lucid1
[10:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i thought so.. ill upload to the ppa then.. lucid package is also finished.. no need to change anything :)
[11:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: um.. do we have kde-sc-dev-latest in karmic?
[11:27] <Riddell> shadeslayer: nope
[11:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i added a build dep on it in  the lucid package as we
[11:28] <shadeslayer> *well
[11:28] <Riddell> so you need to build-dep on kdelibs5-dev (>= beta version)
[11:29] <shadeslayer> okies
[11:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ok thats not in the repo... so i guess kdeartwork for lucid will have to wait
[11:31] <shadeslayer> or is it under kde4libs?
[11:31] <shadeslayer> ah yes
[11:33] <Riddell> yes that's the definitive kde build-dep :)
[11:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: thanks,btw kde 4.5 beta 1 is going to be out today.. no delays expected :P
[11:37] <shadeslayer> ok ill bbl.. after the upload is complete
[12:07] <shadeslayer> hey,will it be possible to use the same source for maverick and lucid for building a package and if yes then how do i do it?
[12:08] <Riddell> shadeslayer: the packaging will need to change if it build-deps on kde-sc-dev-latest for example
[12:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: um of course,i meant that can the pristine tarball be used for both maverick and lucid?
[12:10] <shadeslayer> so that i dont have to upload 70 MB's of files again :P
[12:10] <debfx> shadeslayer: it even has to be the same
[12:10] <Riddell> yes, do your source build with  debuild -S  instead of debuild -S -sa  so the .orig doesn't get included in the .changes
[12:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: and btw i deleted the kdeartwork package for lucid and uploaded the same version,but launchpad rejects it
[12:11] <Riddell> shadeslayer: launchpad takes a while to delete packages
[12:11] <shadeslayer> same version with some more changes
[12:11] <shadeslayer> ok..
[12:11] <Riddell> just upload a ~lucid1~ppa2 (assuming your first was ~lucid1~ppa1)
[12:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ok.. but when launchpad deletes the original ones... 
[12:12] <shadeslayer> what do i do :P
[12:13] <Riddell> you will still have the new ones uploaded
[12:13] <shadeslayer> ok..
[12:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ok just uploaded kdeartwork for lucid... with changed build dep,should build now..
[12:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you review https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/kdeartwork/ubuntu/+merge/26019 if youre free
[12:25] <Riddell> shadeslayer: aurorae is a kwin style isn't it?
[12:25] <Riddell> yes, the description says that
[12:25] <shadeslayer> :)
[12:26] <Riddell> shadeslayer: was it considered to put those files in kdeartwork-theme-window?  (not saying that's the right thing to do just wondering if it was a concious decision not to)
[12:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: well we had a discussion yesterday
[12:27] <shadeslayer> and lex told me to put it that way :)
[12:27] <Riddell> ooh let's not argue with lex then
[12:27] <Riddell> I'll merge it in
[12:27] <shadeslayer> oh wait
[12:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: one sec
[12:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: it was ScottK and Jontheechidna
[12:29] <Riddell> well I'm certainly not arguing with them, that echidna has spikes on his back!
[12:29] <shadeslayer> hehe
[12:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: 4:4.4.80-1ubuntu3~ppa1 is wrong though, should be 4:4.4.80-0ubuntu1~ppa1
[12:31] <Riddell> debian and ubuntu version parts get reset when doing new upstream versions
[12:31] <shadeslayer> hmm.. so i should change and upload... but then launchpad will complain of versioning
[12:32] <shadeslayer> no one told me that yesterday though :P
[12:32] <Riddell> shadeslayer: don't worry about the upload, it's only a private PPA, the final upload will use the correct version
[12:32] <Riddell> shadeslayer: merged!  you are now a kubuntu ninja.  have a black belt
[12:32] <shadeslayer> \o/
[12:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: thanks :)
[12:33] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ok and i should leave the package as it is for now right?
[12:34] <Riddell> yes
[12:36] <shadeslayer> oh noes.. FTBFS ><
[12:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hehe : https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+build/1757113/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.kdeartwork_4:4.4.80-1ubuntu3~lucid1~ppa2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz 
[12:40] <Riddell> seems like lucid needs some work in the PPA
[12:42] <shadeslayer> yep..
[12:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: weird that it cant find most of the packages,when they are in the ppa itself
[12:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i think the problem is in kdebase-workspace...
[12:54] <shadeslayer> not sure though
[12:55] <shadeslayer> ah both kdelibs and kdebase dont have lucid packages
[12:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: both kdelibs and kdebase dont have lucid packages
[13:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: im sure that this is causing it : kdebase-workspace-dev (>= 4:4.4) : we dont have kdebase workspace 4.4 in main :P
[13:01] <shadeslayer> doh!
[13:02] <shadeslayer> ignore that :P
[13:34] <JontheEchidna> Rekonq 0.5 beta is looking spiffy (after I fixed the fonts, at any rate) http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktophc1463-jpg.jpg
[13:35] <JontheEchidna> eww @ jpeg compression, tho
[13:35] <JontheEchidna> (ksnapshot's fault, not rekonq's)
[13:35] <debfx> hi JontheEchidna, care to do some more sponsoring? :)
[13:36] <JontheEchidna> debfx: I could. Thinking about it we probably missed some cmake stuff for things that depend on kdebase-workspace-dev but not cmake, too
[13:36] <allee> JontheEchidna, Quintasan: only root can change full name with chfn -f "Foo Bar"    So we still need the patch.
[13:37] <debfx> JontheEchidna: yeah I noticed that too
[13:37] <debfx> fixes are at the bottom of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDECMakeBuildDependTransition
[13:37] <JontheEchidna> ok. Let me upload kdeaccessibility to -ninjas and I'll get on that
[13:37] <debfx> and some more debdiff at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/QtWebKitBuildDependTransition
[13:38] <debfx> thanks
[13:41] <CIA-92> [ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20100526124114-jx9m9t82vyvsrn1q * debian/ (6 files in 2 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[13:41] <CIA-92> * New upstream release: - Bump kde-sc-dev-latest build-depend version to 4.4.80
[13:41] <CIA-92> - Update kde-icons-mono.install - Update kttsd.install * Switch to source format
[13:52] <JontheEchidna> debfx: I get FTBFS for kdesudo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/439874/
[13:54] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: i think the docbook needs to pass through EBN
[13:56] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: http://www.englishbreakfastnetwork.org/sanitizer/?component=kde-4.x
[13:57] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: kdesudo's not in KDE svn
[13:57] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: well you can just upload the docbook.. 
[13:57] <JontheEchidna> the page isn't loading :(
[13:58] <shadeslayer> hmm... weird.. same thing here
[13:59] <shadeslayer> i think... its down :(
[14:01] <JontheEchidna> debfx: If you'll say that it pbuilt with a maverick pbuilder I'll believe you. I am pbuilding against a KDE 4.5 ppa
[14:01] <debfx> JontheEchidna: yeah, builds fine for me
[14:02] <shadeslayer> debfx: can you look at this : https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+build/1757113 ?
[14:02] <shadeslayer> idk why it fails
[14:02] <debfx> shadeslayer: "Not allowed here"
[14:02] <shadeslayer> debfx: oh..
[14:03] <shadeslayer> debfx: try this : https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+build/1757113/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.kdeartwork_4:4.4.80-1ubuntu3~lucid1~ppa2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[14:04] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: It's a private ppa
[14:04] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: so even the logs are not visible?
[14:04] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[14:05] <shadeslayer> :(
[14:05] <shadeslayer> debfx: http://paste.ubuntu.com/439878/
[14:06] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: you gotta wait for kdebae-workspace to build in the ppa
[14:06] <JontheEchidna> +s
[14:07] <JontheEchidna> once it's there, you can hit the rebuild button
[14:07] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: the lucid release right? i though so.. 
[14:09] <shadeslayer> ubuntu.com just changed its looks :D
[14:09]  * JontheEchidna notes that we, sadly, haven't :(
[14:10] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: yeah... were still following the wiki style...
[14:10] <shadeslayer> that handheld looks pretty awesome with ubuntu on it... 
[14:13]  * shadeslayer goes to download Lost S6 Ep 17
[14:15] <txwikinger> BugDay tomorrow is epiphany browser
[14:15] <txwikinger> anything we want to do?
[14:17] <rgreening> kopete memory leak!
[14:17] <rgreening> txwikinger: ^
[14:17] <rgreening> :)
[14:18] <txwikinger> rgreening: bug triage?
[14:19] <Riddell> txwikinger: rekonq?
[14:19] <Riddell> would be good to get a feel for what the issues are with that
[14:20] <JontheEchidna> rekonq has no open bugs :D
[14:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: there aint alot of bugs on LP about rekonq :P
[14:20] <shadeslayer> bugs.kde.org has some though
[14:20]  * JontheEchidna reported a rekonq one to b.k.o a few minutes ago
[14:20] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: id?
[14:20] <txwikinger> Riddell: yeah good idea.. are there already bugs for it in launchpad?
[14:21] <txwikinger> well.. if they are in b.k.o we do not need to have a bug day for it
[14:21] <rgreening> kontact/kmail?
[14:21] <txwikinger> I bet there are lots of bugs for kontact/kmail
[14:21] <rgreening> ya
[14:21] <txwikinger> ok.. lets take that then
[14:21] <shadeslayer> or kopete :P
[14:21] <rgreening> yep. either of those would be good or amarok
[14:21] <JontheEchidna> that mandatory tab preview thingy in rekonq is a bit annoying. I might file a wishlist report for that
[14:22] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: ++++
[14:22] <rgreening> :)
[14:22] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[14:22] <rgreening> and the fact you cant remove preview items
[14:22] <amichair> hi there, I'm trying to investigate a ktorrent plasmoid memory leak, does anyone know where I can find the libbtcore api or documentation? where does it come from? (google ain't too helpful)
[14:22] <JontheEchidna> it slows things down too, when you just want to change tabs
[14:22] <shadeslayer> i think rekonq looks better in gnome...
[14:23]  * rgreening thinks gnome looks better in qt
[14:23] <shadeslayer> hehe :)
[14:23] <shadeslayer> well all i needed to do was reduce font size...
[14:24]  * txwikinger agrees with rgreening
[14:24] <JontheEchidna> amichair: normally you'd probably find it at api.kde.org, but it is down at the moment
[14:24]  * txwikinger did a Fedora13 testdrive yesterday
[14:25] <amichair> JontheEchidna: is libbtcore part of kde, or an external lib? I have all of kde checked out and don't see it
[14:25]  * rgreening slaps txwikinger for touching that
[14:25] <rgreening> :)
[14:25] <txwikinger> rgreening: industrial espionage :p
[14:25] <txwikinger> was boring anyway
[14:25] <rgreening> lol
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> amichair: it's a library originating from ktorrent, but if it has doxygen api documentation then api.kde.org will have it
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> since it's in KDE svn
[14:26] <Riddell> amichair: libbtcore is part of ktorrent
[14:26] <Riddell> I doubt it has any docs on api.k.o
[14:27]  * amichair feels silly looking at ktorrent svn checkout and still not seeing it
[14:27] <JontheEchidna> englishbreakfastnetwork has docs for playground, if they're present
[14:28] <JontheEchidna> amichair: recently ktorrent split off some libs into a libktorrent, so that might be why you're having a hard time
[14:28] <amichair> ah, I was just about to ask if they renamed it to libktcore or that's something else
[14:30] <amichair> oh now I see there's both a libktcore and libktorrent... but the latter indeed seems to be the place
[14:30] <amichair> JontheEchidna, Riddell: Thanks!
[14:30] <amichair> (it's a helluva memory leak, about 1M/minute here)
[14:31] <JontheEchidna> heh
[14:31] <amichair> I installed it to see the work I did there a year ago (only now caught up to the kubuntu distribution version, I guess), and after leaving it overnight saw plasma-desktop taking up hundreds of megs
[14:32] <amichair> oh well
[14:32] <amichair> we'll plug'em one at a time :-)
[14:32] <JontheEchidna> :)
[14:52] <bulldog98> Riddell: in which package should the translation of rekonq go in maverick?
[14:53] <bulldog98> there will also be translations of the documentation
[14:54] <Riddell> .po files can go in the rekonq package, they'll get stripped anyway
[14:56] <Riddell> documentation translations probably in a separate package
[14:56] <bulldog98> Riddell: should we also ship an separate data package?
[14:57] <bulldog98> and I also have an -dbg package in the daily repro
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> There's not enough data right not to justify a -data package atm, imo. Once we get translations we'll probably have a rekonq-l10n package
[14:58] <JontheEchidna> *doc translations
[14:58] <Riddell> separate data packages only exist to keep the archive size down, I don't think there's enough data to justify that
[14:58] <Riddell> bulldog98: have you spoked to debfx about the packaging?
[14:58] <bulldog98> Riddell: not by now
[14:59] <bulldog98> debfx: what about packaging rekonq in the offical repro?
[15:00] <Riddell> I guess he's not awake yet but he's been doing the packaging in debian presumably with the aim of getting it synced in kubuntu
[15:00] <bulldog98> ok
[15:01] <bulldog98> then it would be fine if I speek with him about that if he’s back
[15:01] <bulldog98> but that will propably be tomorrow, cause I’ve got few time today
[15:07]  * shadeslayer heads over the wiki to start on another package
[15:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: what do the --- represent in the wiki?
[15:08] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: that there's nothing to do for those (no new release, etc)
[15:09] <shadeslayer> ah ok...
[15:09] <shadeslayer> ill take kde-games then :)
[15:09] <Riddell> check for any new dependency on gluon there
[15:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: sure.. i think gluon is already in the archive.. right?
[15:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh btw version should have -0ubuntu1 right?
[15:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: apparently someone just made a empty patch folder :P
[15:17] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: yes, new upstream versions == go back to 0ubuntu1.
[15:18] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: can i remove the empty patch folder?
[15:18] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: yeah
[15:18] <Riddell> follow Debian's packaging (unless good reason not to)
[15:19] <shadeslayer> okies
[15:21] <EagleScreen_> Change QtCurve by Oxygen-Molecule theme in Kcm-gtk, it is better
[15:22] <JontheEchidna> Oxygen-Molecule doesn't follow colorschemes, it's a pixmap theme engine
[15:22] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: btw im trying to add ktown in dolphin,what port number do i need?
[15:22] <shadeslayer> also what user name?
[15:22] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: dunno about port, but the username is ftpubuntu
[15:23] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[15:24] <shtylman> ubuntu's new site is up
[15:24] <EagleScreen_> oh and QtCurve does it, JontheEchidna? I didn't know
[15:25] <JontheEchidna> EagleScreen_: yeah, QtCurve supports color schemes.
[15:25] <JontheEchidna> following the KDE settings
[15:25]  * Riddell uploads kipi-plugins 
[15:25] <EagleScreen_> okay, good reason to keeo it
[15:26] <JontheEchidna> It would be nice if QtCurve was more pixel-perfect, I will admit
[15:32] <debfx> bulldog98: rekonq is sitting in debian NEW
[15:33] <Riddell> we won't see that for a few weeks then ;)
[15:34] <ScottK> Unless we pull some strings.
[15:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: rekonq just released 0.5 beta.. in case you guys didnt know :P
[15:35] <shadeslayer> but of course.. you know everything :P
[15:35] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: already in maverick ;)
[15:35] <shadeslayer> :P
[15:36] <Riddell> debfx: you should show bulldog98 where the svn is for the packaging so the distro packaging and daily packging can be kept in sync
[15:36] <JontheEchidna> Hey, wiki.kubuntu.org's SSL info shows up correctly with 0.4.90
[15:37] <Riddell> score
[15:37] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: do we need readme.packagers with 3.0 ...
[15:38] <shadeslayer> hehe.. it seems to say Corrupt in git
[15:38] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: README.source went away because it described how to use quilt, but with source format 3.0 the patches are automatically applied when the source package is unpacked
[15:38] <shadeslayer> ok... so keep other README files...
[15:38] <JontheEchidna> README.packagers are what upstream usually uses to give packagers info, and isn't generally in the debian dir
[15:39] <JontheEchidna> is this REAME.packagers in the debian dir?
[15:39] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: no
[15:39] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: definitely leave it alone. We don't want to touch upstream stuff without a patch system
[15:39] <shadeslayer> :P
[15:40] <debfx> bulldog98: the debian rekonq package lives in svn://svn.debian.org/pkg-kde/kde-extras/rekonq/trunk/debian/
[15:40] <debfx> bulldog98: viewvc frontend: http://svn.debian.org/viewsvn/pkg-kde/kde-extras/rekonq/trunk/debian/
[15:40] <shadeslayer> or just open in dolphin :P
[15:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: seems to be working without gluon for now.. but then again its just started LO
[15:41] <shadeslayer> :P
[15:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what does the cmake output say?
[15:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/439917/
[15:42] <shadeslayer> well its optional.. 
[15:43] <Riddell> KDE has squillions of optional dependencies, we like to make use of them unless there's a good reason not to
[15:44] <Riddell> so probably a good idea to check out the state of our gluon packaging and twisted too
[15:44] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/439918/
[15:44] <shadeslayer> Riddell: we have gluon in the ppa.. ill check out twisted
[15:45] <shadeslayer> !info python-twisted maverick
[15:47] <shadeslayer> Riddell: gluon is only in the ppa,not in the official archives,so i guess we either push for a new package in archives or leave gluon...
[15:47] <shadeslayer> ill try out a debuild with twisted till then
[15:47] <Riddell> shadeslayer: we can get it into the main archive
[15:48] <Riddell> so do add it to the PPA, we'll want to add it at some point, may as well make that point now
[15:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: twisted has unmet deps
[15:49] <shadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/439920/
[15:50] <Riddell> some version skew going on somewhere
[15:50] <shadeslayer> !info python-twisted-conch maverick
[15:53] <Riddell> shadeslayer: looks like twisted-conch is expecting a newer version of twisted, might be time for you to get into twisted packaging :)
[15:54] <shadeslayer> bah... i dont that much time :P
[15:54] <Riddell> is the newer version of twisted-conch in debian?  if so can it be merged and uploaded to ubuntu
[15:54] <Riddell> alas packaging is not always a quick business
[15:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell: lets check it out :)
[15:55] <shadeslayer> wheres the upload queue of debian>
[15:55] <Riddell> use packages.debian.org
[15:56] <shadeslayer> heh.. its at 8.1.0 :P
[15:56] <Riddell> so it's probably a bug in the ubuntu packaging of twisted
[15:56] <Riddell> making it have too tight a depends on twisted-conch
[15:56] <shadeslayer> oh thats only lenny
[15:57] <shadeslayer> http://packages.debian.org/sid/python-twisted-conch
[15:57] <shadeslayer> same thing in debian :(
[15:57] <Riddell> http://packages.debian.org/sid/python-twisted  that's the one you need
[15:57] <Riddell> so merge that with the python-twisted in ubuntu
[15:58] <shadeslayer> hmm.. merge.. ill have to ask for one..
[15:59] <Riddell> or just do it yourself
[15:59] <shadeslayer> Riddell: how?
[15:59] <shadeslayer> ill have to read up on it :P
[16:00] <shadeslayer> !merge
[16:00] <Riddell> grab the ubuntu package, grab the debian package 
[16:01] <Riddell> work out what's been changed in the ubuntu package
[16:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: from the changelog
[16:01] <Riddell> yes
[16:01] <Riddell> make that same change to the debian package
[16:01] <Riddell> merge the changelogs
[16:01] <Riddell> voila
[16:01] <shadeslayer> aha!
[16:01] <shadeslayer> i now know merging :P
[16:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i should just dget the file right?
[16:02] <apachelogger> fregl: o/
[16:02] <apachelogger> lo everyone
[16:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hi!
[16:03] <apachelogger> fregl: I committed all sorts of goodness to the plasma theme just now
[16:03]  * fregl huggles apachelogger
[16:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what plasma theme? :P
[16:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes
[16:04]  * apachelogger rehuggles fregl
[16:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: for fluffy
[16:04]  * apachelogger needs to leave for travelling to Graz in less than an hour :(
[16:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ah :)
[16:04] <fregl> apachelogger: your installer slideshow in german on the cd you gave me is most horrible
[16:04] <apachelogger> my oh my
[16:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: wheee... package.ubuntu.com shows no package for python-twisted
[16:05] <apachelogger> that said, I never did a german install
[16:05]  * apachelogger takes note to run translated installs too
[16:05] <Riddell> launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-twisted knows all
[16:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: dpm is on that annoyance of fregl's?
[16:05] <Riddell> fregl: I forwarded your e-mail to dpm 
[16:05] <apachelogger> ah :)
[16:05] <fregl> Riddell: thanks :)
[16:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i get : Lost something?
[16:05] <ScottK> shadeslayer: p.u.c isn't updated to work for maverick yet.
[16:05]  * fregl hugs Riddell also 
[16:05] <Riddell> so I expect he's whipping appropriate arses right now
[16:06]  * apachelogger puts on that very special smile of his ^^
[16:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: nvm
[16:06] <Riddell> shadeslayer: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/twisted
[16:06] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ok
[16:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah found it :P
[16:08] <apachelogger> seaLne: pingy ... for the kde mm + edu sprint last week we created #kde-sprinters, I was thinking that maybe it should be registered and reused for other sprints, what do you think about that?
[16:09] <dpm> fregl, apachelogger, after Riddell forwarded me the e-mail, I contacted the German translation team to look into it. fregl, you did the right thing in submitting the suggestions for the corrections. In the future though, you can contact the translation team directly at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-de (not that I mind if you tell me or Riddell as well, just letting you know that you can talk to them directly)
[16:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw whats a debdiff?
[16:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: a diff created between debian source packages
[16:12] <apachelogger> it is a special app too
[16:12] <apachelogger> debdiff --help
[16:12] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[16:12] <shadeslayer> comparing file lists in 2 packages :)
[16:13] <apachelogger> no no
[16:13] <apachelogger> debian _source_ package
[16:13] <apachelogger> not the binary deb
[16:13] <debfx> it can also compare binaries
[16:13] <apachelogger> ah, it can?
[16:13]  * apachelogger didnt know ^^
[16:13] <fregl> dpm: thanks :) I just know Riddell, so I talked to him
[16:14] <fregl> and finding out who to contact is time that I don't really have
[16:14]  * nixternal whistles a tune while waiting for the stats to produce a darn report
[16:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: well thats what the man page says :)
[16:15] <apachelogger> fregl: btw, I was thinking that we maybe should go with a panel after all, I kind of loose track of time too easily without a clock that is visible at all times ^^
[16:15] <fregl> apachelogger: +1 for having a pink panel
[16:15] <fregl> as long as it's fluffy enough
[16:16] <apachelogger> fluffy it is alright
[16:16] <fregl> I was thinking about having a straight border in the non-composited case too, so it doesn't look as crappy
[16:16] <apachelogger> *nod*
[16:16] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ah theres only one different entry..
[16:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/439931/
[16:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: there must be an accompanying change in debian/ which actually did what the changelog describes
[16:18] <seaLne> apachelogger: hmm, i think previously sprints have just used there "normal" irc channel?
[16:18] <Riddell> that's what needs ported over to the new debian package (assuming the new debian package isn't for the same reason)
[16:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: actually the script which rebuilds the cache is in the debian package as well
[16:19] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ah then maybe we can just sync from debian
[16:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: seems so
[16:20] <apachelogger> seaLne: that generates noise if you want to fool around and stuff, I think having a seperate channel you can flood with sprint related stuff is good, at least we also had a lot of fun because of the channel ^^
[16:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: all the contents of debian/ in both the packages seem to be same
[16:21] <Riddell> shadeslayer: this seems different http://paste.ubuntu.com/439935/
[16:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah i was going through that
[16:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: mine is like http://paste.ubuntu.com/439936/
[16:22] <shadeslayer> a bit differently formatted :P
[16:23] <Riddell> diff -u is your friend, diff is always better with a -u
[16:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ok so im applying the same thing to the debian package
[16:24] <Riddell> groovy
[16:24] <Riddell> merge in the ubuntu changelog entries at the appropriate place
[16:24] <Riddell> dch -i and add a -3ubuntu1 changelog entry saying
[16:24] <Riddell> merge with debian, remaining change:
[16:24] <Riddell>  - whatever the change is
[16:25] <Riddell> debuild -S  and get the files to me for upload
[16:25] <Riddell> you can also build it locally if you want to crack on with kdegames before it's built in the archive
[16:26] <Riddell> dudes: looks like we have these merges still to do for main..
[16:26] <Riddell> konversation, taglib, strigi, arora, qscintilla2, libqalculate, libssh, network-manager-pptp, oxygencursors, quassel, raptor
[16:26] <JontheEchidna> zomg!
[16:26] <shtylman> heh
[16:26] <JontheEchidna> oh yeah, that reminds me
[16:26] <ScottK> Riddell: No need to merge quassel.
[16:26] <JontheEchidna> agateau: the message indicator patch fails to apply against konversation 1.3 beta :(
[16:27] <JontheEchidna> agateau: If you could update it, it would be very much appreciated
[16:27]  * Riddell grabs taglib
[16:27] <agateau> JontheEchidna: ok, will do
[16:28] <JontheEchidna> agateau: thanks :)
[16:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/439939/
[16:28] <shadeslayer> thats diff -u on both the folders
[16:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: mm, that's missing the debian/rules change
[16:30] <Riddell> oh I see
[16:30] <Riddell> it's a diff against current ubuntu
[16:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah.. and in the last line it says changelog~ ive remove that file too
[16:30] <shadeslayer> so now it looks like http://paste.ubuntu.com/439942/
[16:31] <Riddell> oh roar paste.ubuntu.com why can't I use wget 
[16:31] <Riddell> because the sysadmins won't let me, roar
[16:32] <ScottK> Riddell: Exactly why I don't use it.
[16:32] <shadeslayer> hehe.. 
[16:32] <Riddell> me neither
[16:32] <Riddell> that and the non word wrap issue
[16:33] <shadeslayer> which one do you prefer?
[16:33] <maco> the word wrap one is why i generally dont
[16:33] <Riddell> kubuntu.pastebin.com for me
[16:33] <maco> pastebin.com lately, as pastebin.ca is slow
[16:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/6q63d9vL
[16:35] <Riddell> shadeslayer: s/lucid/maverick/ :)
[16:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ah yes..
[16:35] <nigelb> shadeslayer: ah, you've made the mistake we all make *every* time :)
[16:36] <shadeslayer> nigelb: hehe :P
[16:36] <nigelb> If I didn't install lucid, I might send with karmic even ;)
[16:36] <shadeslayer> nigelb: well im on a lucid system.. so i forgot,ill probably upgrade to alpha1
[16:36] <nigelb> shadeslayer: if you can deal with it.  I never install alpha, beta, or rc because my system's hardware isn't that great
[16:37] <shadeslayer> nigelb: hmm.. what does hardware have to do with alpha's?
[16:37] <nigelb> my screen always flickrs, so I dunno if its X or hardware
[16:37] <shadeslayer> but anyways i have a XPS so i dont have to worry that much...
[16:37] <nigelb> wow, nice :)
[16:38] <shadeslayer> nigelb: M1530 :P
[16:38] <shadeslayer> its out of production now though :(
[16:38] <shadeslayer> and out of warranty too ;)
[16:38] <nigelb> Well, you were wise to buy dell, I made the mistake of buying hp
[16:39] <shadeslayer> nigelb: i would say otherwise
[16:39] <shadeslayer> almost everything on my system had to be replaced,apart from the HD and the mobo
[16:40] <nigelb> shadeslayer: ok, then we got the worst hardware from our respective OEMs :D
[16:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ill send you the files in a few mins :)
[16:40] <shadeslayer> nigelb: :P
[16:42] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I've already uploaded
[16:42] <Riddell> "twisted 10.0.0-3ubuntu1 (Accepted)"
[16:43] <Riddell> shadeslayer is now an ubuntu general packaging ninja, have an aubergine belt!
[16:43] <ScottK> Riddell and shadeslayer: Don't bother with sending the diff back to Debian.  It doesn't actually seem to fix the bug it was put in there to fix.
[16:44] <shadeslayer> ScottK: hehe
[16:44] <shadeslayer> Riddell: :P
[16:44] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i think the changelog had one missing entry
[16:44] <Riddell> rgreening: we should put arora back to universe for this release, do you think we should maintain our diff or drop it?
[16:45] <shadeslayer> rgreening: http://pastebin.com/5WnrSTzT
[16:45] <Riddell> rgreening: looks like watch file, x-www-browser, flash install and upstream fixes are our diff
[16:46] <shadeslayer> Riddell: how long before it builds?
[16:46] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/5WnrSTzT
[16:47] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it'll be an hour or two before it's ready to download
[16:47] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ok... ill work on the kdegames package then
[16:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: is there some log of sorts which can tell me the status of the package?
[16:50] <Riddell> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/twisted/10.0.0-3ubuntu1 will link to the build servers
[16:50] <Riddell> arm is already running looks like
[16:51] <shadeslayer> cool
[16:52] <debfx> Riddell: libssh can be synced
[16:52] <Riddell> debfx: what was changed in it?
[16:53] <debfx> Riddell: some conflicts/replaces with old libssh-* packages were added
[16:54] <Riddell> debfx: what's your launchpad id?
[16:54] <debfx> Riddell: debfx
[16:55] <Riddell> groovy, synced
[16:57] <debfx> Riddell: raptor can be synced too, ubuntu diff has been picked up by debian
[16:58] <Riddell> syncing raptor, also strigi
[17:03] <Tonio_> got a stupid question here
[17:03] <Tonio_> if I install a package on a livecd session
[17:03] <Tonio_> and then install
[17:03] <Tonio_> will this package be installed in the process ?
[17:04] <Riddell> no
[17:04] <Riddell> ubiquity copies the compressed filesystem not the live one
[17:06] <ScottK> BTW, rekonq is accepted in Debian.
[17:08] <Riddell> goodness
[17:09] <nixternal> a bunch of responses to this survey
[17:11] <debfx> ScottK: are you responsible for that? ;)
[17:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, what if the problem is that I need an updated kernel to be able to boot ?
[17:11] <debfx> Tonio_: you can chroot into your newly installed system
[17:12] <debfx> and install new packages
[17:14] <nixternal> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Feedback/Lucid
[17:14] <ScottK> debfx: I might have expedited it.
[17:15] <shadeslayer> nixternal: wheee!
[17:19] <shadeslayer> does ubuntu have logo?
[17:19] <shadeslayer> the programming language
[17:20] <ScottK> rmadison logo says not.
[17:20] <shadeslayer> dapper had this : http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/junior-programming
[17:21] <shadeslayer> im going to install 10.04 on the desktop and logo is a absolute must for my sister :P
[17:21] <shadeslayer> yeah lucid has it too
[17:23] <Riddell> kturtle
[17:26] <Riddell> NCommander: what did you make of qt?  can we poke a soyuz person to make the timeout longer?
[17:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: something gnomeish :P
[17:27] <shadeslayer> shipit sent me 2 ubuntu cd's when i asked for 1 ubuntu and 1 kubuntu cd :P
[17:27] <Riddell> sigh
[17:27] <shadeslayer> shtylman: got a sec?
[17:27] <Riddell> shipit@ubuntu.com will be interested in that, they're ment to have high quality controls at the factory
[17:28] <shtylman> shadeslayer: sure
[17:29] <shadeslayer> shtylman: what was the site you told me,the one that hosted kubuntu.org pre-release?
[17:30] <shtylman> shadeslayer: what do you mean pre-release?
[17:30] <NCommander> Riddell: I'm talking with lamont on it, but I'm making sure it will actually finish given unlimited time (which is a personal check I do before I go fiddle with timeouts)
[17:30] <NCommander> Riddell: basically "watch this spot"
[17:30] <Riddell> NCommander: hugs
[17:31] <NCommander> Riddell: once I know it builds, I'll have lamont increase the timeout, and retry it
[17:31] <NCommander> and if that succeeds, I'll retry the rdepends
[17:31] <shadeslayer> shtylman: weird thing is, i didnt bookmark it :P
[17:32] <shtylman> shadeslayer: are you talking about the new kubuntu.org site design?
[17:32] <shadeslayer> shtylman: yes
[17:32] <shtylman> Riddell: ^ link?
[17:32] <Riddell> well it doesn't exist, the sysadmins haven't made it
[17:32] <Riddell> which is embarracing now that ubuntu.com has been updated
[17:33] <shtylman> Riddell: right.. but there was some image with the screenshot or something
[17:33] <Riddell> ofir knows
[17:33] <shtylman> I myself don't have the link either... and yes... I will cry nightly now that we are still on the old site
[17:33] <shadeslayer> shtylman: +++++
[17:34] <shadeslayer> shtylman: just call upon me,ill help :P
[17:35] <shtylman> shadeslayer: unfortunately it is out of our hands
[17:35] <shadeslayer> shtylman: :(
[17:35] <shtylman> the sysadmins (whoever they are) have to do it
[17:35] <shtylman> if it was up to us... we would have done it ages ago
[17:35] <shadeslayer> shtylman: we must find these sysadmins...
[17:36] <shadeslayer> someone from lp must be involved...
[17:37] <shtylman> shadeslayer: they know about it... they just have lots of thinks they do :/
[17:37] <shtylman> *things
[17:37] <shadeslayer> shtylman: hmm.. well hope that their TODO list has this somewhere
[17:38] <shtylman> heh
[17:40] <shadeslayer> how awesome will it be if maveric releases at 10.10 am on 10/10/10
[17:40] <shtylman> shadeslayer: 10.10 am is relative...
[17:41] <shtylman> unless you mean UTC
[17:41] <shadeslayer> UTC of course :)
[17:41] <shadeslayer> well.. if they dont make the UTC time,any other timezone :P
[17:44] <shadeslayer> ok im going off for now... cya in about 2 hours :_
[17:44] <shadeslayer> :)
[17:57] <JontheEchidna> Ooh, official soprano and akonadi tarballs for beta
[17:58]  * JontheEchidna peers around for lex
[17:58] <JontheEchidna> !seen lex79
[17:58] <JontheEchidna> ~seen lex79
[17:58] <kubotu> lex79 was last seen 10 hours, 37 minutes and 7 seconds ago, quitting IRC (Remote host closed the connection)
[17:59] <Riddell> new tars with release in an hour?  demanding upstream this one
[18:03] <JontheEchidna> there weren't tarballs before
[18:08] <Riddell> exactly
[18:09] <JontheEchidna> oh, so we're in agreement then :)
[18:09] <JontheEchidna> they've never been good about giving us kdesupport stuff early on
[18:09] <ScottK> Clearly the legend of the Kubuntu Packaging Ninjas has spread and everyone assumes an hour is no problem.
[18:09] <Riddell> which is weird given the discussion about external dependency freeze on kde-core-devel
[18:40] <Tm_T> Riddell: possibly not everyone consider kdesupport as external
[18:44] <Riddell> Tonio_: network-manager-pptp  is listed on https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html but it doesn't seem to have ever had anything to do with the Debian package according to the changelog, so I don't think I'll bother merging it
[18:44] <Riddell> rgreening: I merged arora though, and moved it to universe
[18:45] <Riddell> which leaves only konversation (blocked on agateau porting patch) and quassel (scottk's baby)
[18:45] <ScottK> Quassel is effectivlye forked.  There's no need to worry about merging it.
[18:45] <ScottK> The Debian maintainer wasn't that interested in our changes.
[18:49] <CIA-92> [ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20100526174925-i7wow3o3331l1b1v * debian/ (3 files) Remove old files
[18:49] <lex79> JontheEchidna: where's soprano?
[18:50] <lex79> the official tarball
[18:50] <Riddell> http://sourceforge.net/projects/soprano/files/Soprano/2.4.63/soprano-2.4.63.tar.bz2/download
[18:50] <JontheEchidna> lex79: http://sourceforge.net/projects/soprano/files/Soprano/2.4.63/soprano-2.4.63.tar.bz2/download
[18:51] <lex79> thanks
[18:51] <JontheEchidna> lex79: I forgot to delete some files in bzr for kdepimlibs, and that f****d everything up
[18:51] <JontheEchidna> fixing now
[18:52] <lex79> ok no problem
[18:55] <lex79> uhm JontheEchidna, why kdepimlibs-data.install and kdepimlibs5.install are gone? lol
[18:55] <JontheEchidna> lex79: split into all those little packages
[18:55] <lex79> omg
[18:56] <Riddell> insy winsy little packages
[18:56] <lex79> I have to redo the package :(
[18:56] <JontheEchidna> lex79: soz :(
[18:57] <lex79> we need something to don't forget bzr add and bzr remove when we push to bzr
[18:57] <JontheEchidna> heh, yeah
[18:57] <JontheEchidna> brb, rebooting
[18:58] <lex79> Riddell: we have kdebindings built in the beta1, it's a miracle eh? :D
[18:59] <ScottK> Speaking of mythtv, does anyone know if plasma-mediacenter speaks the Myth protocol?
[18:59] <Riddell> lex79: hallelujah!
[19:00] <lex79> :)
[19:09] <neversfelde> lex79: wow
[19:09] <lex79> eh :)
[19:16] <jtechidna> whew
[19:18] <JontheEchidna> KDM seems to be messed up
[19:19] <lex79> JontheEchidna: did you upgrade to beta1?
[19:19] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[19:20] <lex79> oh you're brave :)
[19:20] <ghostcube_maemo> o/
[19:20] <JontheEchidna> barely made it :D
[19:20] <JontheEchidna> lex79: http://pastebin.com/EjK6rWUi
[19:21] <lex79> JontheEchidna: just that problem?
[19:21] <JontheEchidna> lex79: that, and kdepimlibs being broken
[19:22] <lex79> ok
[19:22] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: the advanced tab is gone in System Settings now, rejoice!
[19:23] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: oh?  where did it go?
[19:23] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: they totally reorganized SS
[19:24] <Riddell> sooner or later everyone does
[19:24] <JontheEchidna> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktoptu2530-jpg.jpg
[19:24] <JontheEchidna> the Lost and Found group is a bit annoying, though
[19:26] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Looks like the first one needs to go back to -data and the second needs a replaces.
[19:26] <ScottK> Actually conflicts/replaces since we want the old package to go away.
[19:28] <lex79> freespacenotifier should be removed from archive?
[19:28] <ScottK> I think so.  It's in -workspace now.
[19:29]  * ScottK looks over at Riddell.
[19:29] <Riddell> qui moi?
[19:29] <Riddell> oh right, removal
[19:30] <Riddell> 2010-05-26 18:30:20 INFO    7 packages successfully removed.
[19:31] <ScottK> lex79: Done.
[19:32] <lex79> ok
[19:32] <debfx> Riddell: more removal: bug #582830
[19:35] <Riddell> debfx: voila
[19:37] <Riddell> how do I add a comment on Mom?
[19:38] <ScottK> Riddell: There's an invisible hot spot you click on.
[19:38] <ScottK> Look at ~ where the comments are for other entries.
[19:38] <Riddell> goodness so there is
[19:39] <maco> Riddell: get a pen and tell her to hold out hre hand
[19:39] <ScottK> It's very web 2.0, not designed for us old folks.
[19:44] <CIA-92> [kubuntu-notification-helper] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20100526184340-rlx1jh78h1d5z1ml * src/ (3 files in 2 dirs) Change System Settings category to the new one for KDE 4.5
[19:46] <binarylooks> hey dear kubuntu makers. I have a question about the qt4.7 in the experimental ppa
[19:46] <binarylooks> did you test it? I can't compile the plasma-mobile packages
[19:46] <binarylooks> people tell me it works with qt compiled from sources
[19:47] <rbelem> let me check
[19:47] <Riddell> binarylooks: yes it was tested. a compile error would help
[19:48] <binarylooks> (lots of undefined refrence compile errors)
[19:49] <binarylooks> (copy paste from kdevelop is very difficult)
[19:49]  * lex79 uploaded akonadi, soprano, kdebase-workspace to ppa
[19:49] <rbelem> it is complaining about qt declarative
[19:50] <binarylooks> rbelem: yes. undefined refrences and stuff
[19:50] <binarylooks> plasma tells me it works with qt from sources. bt they change things often in git
[19:51] <binarylooks> although that it suddenly doesn't work at all would be weird
[19:51] <rbelem> probably the code is outdated
[19:51] <rbelem> let me check again
[19:51] <binarylooks> rbelem: thanks for the help
[19:51] <rbelem> np ;-)
[19:51] <binarylooks> (BTW, you kubuntu guys are doing a great job. sometimes it needs to be said :-)
[20:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: right don't merge network-manager thingy
[20:01] <Riddell> ooh I can do the magic comment thing
[20:05]  * rbelem still debugging
[20:05]  * binarylooks is also debugging
[20:14] <debfx> Riddell: something went wrong with the arora merge
[20:15] <debfx> but I've fixed that: http://debfx.fobos.de/ubu/arora_0.10.2-1ubuntu2.debdiff
[20:16] <Riddell> debfx: thanks!
[20:16] <debfx> in fact could you please sponsor all debdiff from https://wiki.kubuntu.org/QtWebKitBuildDependTransition :)
[20:17] <Riddell> sure
[20:27] <Riddell> debfx: done google-gadgets  merkaartor  nmapsi4  qzion
[20:27] <Riddell> I think that's all
[20:28] <rbelem> binarylooks, i think the problem is that cmake does not have qt declarative info
[20:28] <binarylooks> rbelem: is that easy to fix=
[20:28] <rbelem> yep
[20:28] <binarylooks> s/=/?
[20:28]  * binarylooks begs rbelem to tell him the secret
[20:28] <binarylooks> :-)
[20:29] <rbelem> ehehehe
[20:30] <rbelem> Riddell, do you who installs the cmake qt info?
[20:30] <Riddell> # dpkg -S /usr/share/cmake-2.8/Modules/FindQt4.cmake
[20:30] <Riddell> cmake-data: /usr/share/cmake-2.8/Modules/FindQt4.cmake
[20:31] <Riddell> that'll be cmake-data
[20:31] <rbelem> cool
[20:31] <rbelem> thanks Riddell 
[20:32] <Riddell> we're doing good for universe merges too, just these packages I can see we should care about kmess, kover, kphotoalbum, kredentials, kst, ktechlab, qwit, skim, taskjuggler
[20:32] <Riddell> nixternal: can kredentials die?
[20:32] <rbelem> binarylooks, try building using a maverick chroot
[20:32] <binarylooks> rbelem: is it something that I can do locally or do I need to wait for a new cmale package?
[20:33] <binarylooks> hmmm, cmale sounds really strange
[20:33] <shadeslayer> 4.5 beta 1 is out :)
[20:33] <binarylooks> yay!
[20:33] <shadeslayer> http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.5-beta1.php
[20:33] <Riddell> we should probably backport cmake
[20:33] <shadeslayer> binarylooks: we dont have packages :(
[20:34] <binarylooks> I have spare cookies to give
[20:34] <binarylooks> newly baked ones
[20:34]  * Riddell test builds new cmake on lucid
[20:34] <binarylooks> I guess people want to test qml, so a backport would make many a poeple happy
[20:34] <shadeslayer> binarylooks: do they have the kubuntu logo on them? :P
[20:35] <binarylooks> i can get my scissors :-)
[20:36]  * rbelem is build a newer cmake for lucid
[20:37]  * binarylooks wants to hug all of you
[20:37] <rbelem> binarylooks, join #kubuntu-mobile
[20:37] <Tm_T> -mobile ?
[20:37] <shadeslayer> chromium is very intelligent... switches buttons to left when in gnome and right when in jde
[20:37] <shadeslayer> *kde
[20:38] <binarylooks> hey, i want kubuntu-mediacenter :-p
[20:38] <debfx> Riddell: yes, thanks
[20:38] <shadeslayer> binarylooks: hahaha
[20:38] <shadeslayer> binarylooks: theres a plasma-media-center in the works
[20:38] <binarylooks> shadeslayer: I'm the main developer :-p
[20:38] <binarylooks> ATN at least
[20:38] <binarylooks> s/ATN/ATM
[20:38] <shadeslayer> binarylooks: oh yeah :D
[20:38] <shadeslayer> binarylooks: awesome work!
[20:38] <binarylooks> together with alessandro
[20:39] <binarylooks> thanks
[20:39] <shadeslayer> binarylooks: i cant make it start properly though..
[20:39]  * binarylooks blushes furiously
[20:39] <neversfelde> someone knows, if kdelirc was removed from kdeutils?
[20:39] <shadeslayer> doesnt seem to play vides :P
[20:39] <shadeslayer> *vids
[20:39] <binarylooks> shadeslayer: you need gstreamer
[20:39] <shadeslayer> binarylooks: ah that beast
[20:39] <shadeslayer> binarylooks: phonon-backend-gstreamer?
[20:39] <binarylooks> what do you mean with "start properly"?
[20:39] <binarylooks> shadeslayer: yes
[20:40] <binarylooks> and than prepare fro blueness all around
[20:40] <shadeslayer> binarylooks: like how do i start it? plasma-mediacenter?
[20:40] <binarylooks> shadeslayer: yes
[20:40] <binarylooks> -f to not have fullscreen
[20:40]  * binarylooks wants to note that we are in have development and PMC is only 50% functional
[20:40] <binarylooks> s/have/heavy
[20:41] <binarylooks> I wrote a loooong blog post about it: blog.binarylooks.com
[20:42] <rbelem> binarylooks, cool! :-)
[20:42] <shadeslayer> binarylooks: small problem.. when i click on a video,nothing happens :P
[20:42] <shadeslayer> binarylooks: a problem with the slot i think : plasmediacenter(3622) MediaBrowser::slotIndexActivated: finished
[20:42] <binarylooks> shadeslayer: it is added to the playlist
[20:43] <debfx> Riddell: two more syncs: bug #582621, bug #582616 and a debdiff: http://debfx.fobos.de/ubu/uim_1.5.7-6ubuntu1.debdiff
[20:43] <shadeslayer> binarylooks: where is the playlist?
[20:43] <binarylooks> shadeslayer: you need to click play or just start from the playlist
[20:43] <binarylooks> shadeslayer: also, the player does not resize correctly ATM
[20:43] <binarylooks> shadeslayer: it should be visible in videomode, right side
[20:44] <shadeslayer> binarylooks: lemme just update my svn copy
[20:44] <shadeslayer> been 2-3 weeks :P
[20:44] <binarylooks> shadeslayer: that explains it :-)
[20:44] <shadeslayer> hehe ... rebuilding
[20:44] <neversfelde> seems to be replace be kderemotecontrol
[20:45] <binarylooks> neversfelde: do you know if it is actively devloped?
[20:45] <shadeslayer> binarylooks: bah.. now it says cant find mediacontroller :P
[20:46] <neversfelde> binarylooks: ?
[20:46] <binarylooks> kdebuildsyscoca4
[20:46] <binarylooks> neversfelde: you talked about the remote control library
[20:46] <neversfelde> binarylooks: yes
[20:47] <neversfelde> packaging kdeutils
[20:47] <binarylooks> neversfelde: you meant the package for kubuntu I guess
[20:47] <neversfelde> yes
[20:47] <binarylooks> shadeslayer: if you want more info, join plasma-mediacenter
[20:47] <shadeslayer> binarylooks: coming
[20:55] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: did you see the answer you got for your libre.fm question?
[20:56] <Mamarok> there is a script for that: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Amarok2LibreFM?content=107339
[20:56] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: no :(
[20:56] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: i did install that,but when i play it didnt get scrobbled
[20:56] <shadeslayer> oh wow
[20:57] <Mamarok> then talk to the script author, this is out of our control
[20:57] <shadeslayer> binarylooks: your mediacetre crashed amarok :P
[20:57] <shadeslayer> wait.. might be gstreamer
[20:57] <shadeslayer> yep gstreamer
[21:01] <binarylooks> shadeslayer: ufff, you made my heart stop for a second there
[21:01] <shadeslayer> binarylooks: hehe :D
[21:01] <shadeslayer> binarylooks: well both mediacentre and amarok are compiled,so anything can happen :P
[21:05] <binarylooks> rbelem: when do you think  the cmake package will hit the ppa's?
[21:06] <binarylooks> or could you post your deb somewhere?
[21:09] <rbelem> binarylooks, probably Riddell will upload to lucid-backports. I will upload mine package to my server
[21:10] <binarylooks> rbelem: thanks a lot
[21:11] <shadeslayer> binarylooks: those are not recommended packages
[21:12] <binarylooks> shadeslayer: i know, i know. as I said, I want qt quick
[21:12] <shadeslayer> binarylooks: idk the exact details but apachelogger was explicit about not using the experimental ppa
[21:12] <binarylooks> shadeslayer: it was announced on kubuntu.org wans't it?
[21:12] <shadeslayer> binarylooks: no
[21:13] <shadeslayer> oh waut
[21:13] <shadeslayer> thats new... 
[21:13] <binarylooks> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/qt-4.7
[21:13] <shadeslayer> binarylooks: yeah i guess i dont visit kubuntu.org that often :P
[21:13] <binarylooks> :-p hehe
[21:14] <shadeslayer> binarylooks: ok ill upgrade and check
[21:17] <apachelogger> all this travelling :(
[21:17] <apachelogger> seaLne: so, what to do with the channel?
[21:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: are the Qt 4.7 packages ready to use?
[21:18] <apachelogger> eh
[21:18] <shadeslayer> you said a few days ago not to use them
[21:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: experimental ppa
[21:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think that kind of news should not be on kubuntu.org
[21:18] <shadeslayer> i agree
[21:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that depends on whether you mean by use ... trying to create qt quick/qml apps
[21:19]  * binarylooks notes that the qt4.7 packages work nicely on his computer (except a small bug in plasma-netbook
[21:19] <apachelogger> because if you do not, then I would not say so
[21:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: well.. i will be working on creating a app,so ill upgrade...
[21:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: not an app, a qml app :P
[21:20] <binarylooks> maybe there should be a note on kubuntu.org about the need for a newer cmake version to get qml working
[21:20] <shadeslayer> kubotu: google qml
[21:20] <apachelogger> there is no reason why you would want to upgrade to a beta qt unless you want to build upon new technologies it got
[21:20] <kubotu> Results for qml: 1. Qt Labs Blogs » Qt Declarative UI: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/05/13/qt-declarative-ui/ | 2. QML: http://www.questml.com/ | 3. QML : Metals and Logistics: http://www.qml.us/
[21:20] <apachelogger> IMHO it makes more sense to test using the static SDK from qt.nokia.com anyway :P
[21:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: python-twisted still not built completely :(
[21:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hmm
[21:23] <seaLne> apachelogger: sorry i was out, just back
[21:23] <neversfelde> yes, I have the same opinion, experimental packages should not be announced
[21:24] <neversfelde> experienced users will find them, the rest shouldn't :)
[21:24] <shadeslayer> :D
[21:25] <shadeslayer> haha : http://twitpic.com/1rbswq
 binarylooks: I had that bug to with QtWebKit 2.0. It's either fixed or worked around in newer rekonq versions
[21:26] <binarylooks> shadeslayer: ^
[21:26] <binarylooks> from the rekonq issue
[21:26] <shadeslayer> binarylooks: ah.. well like i said,must have been fixed in Git :)
[21:26] <binarylooks> strange that it only appeared today
[21:27] <binarylooks> it happens because of the tabpreview
[21:28] <neversfelde> I will not finish kdeutils today, but I think it will be ready tomorrow evening
[21:28] <neversfelde> if I block a release, someone else will have to do it
[21:28] <shadeslayer_> afk for a while... need to study :P
[21:29] <shadeslayer> afk for a while... need to study :P
[21:31] <rbelem> binarylooks, http://media.rbelem.info/cmake/
[21:32] <binarylooks> rbelem: you definitely are my today's hero
[21:32] <rbelem> ehehe :-)
[21:34]  * apachelogger needs to do loads of university work :(
[21:37] <rbelem> binarylooks, my build still failing
[21:38] <binarylooks> rbelem: mine too :-(
[21:40] <binarylooks> I guess it's time to go to bed and hope tomorrow morning the problem will just have gone away ;-)
[21:48] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: same problem with new package
[21:50] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: http://www.kubuntu.pastebin.com/Km74rgCQ
[21:53] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: i think the problem is that we named the package 10.0.0 but it should be 10.0 , or we make the depends as 10.0.0 ...
[21:54] <shadeslayer_> anyways im off to sleep :)
[22:43] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/586092
[22:44] <BUGabundo> are we sending KDE bugs upstream this early in maverick?
[22:56] <lex79> ~seen Quintasan
[22:56] <kubotu> Quintasan was last seen 1 day, 2 hours, 49 minutes and 24 seconds ago, quitting IRC (Remote host closed the connection)
[23:01] <lex79> Riddell: are you doing cmake backport?
[23:22] <lex79> JontheEchidna: I'm wondering where usr/share/kde4/servicetypes/kaddressbookimprotocol.desktop should go in kdepimlibs since -data is gone
[23:22] <lex79> in libkontactinterface4.install ?
[23:36] <JontheEchidna> lex79: libakonadi
[23:36] <JontheEchidna> lex79: that's where the file originates in the kdepimlibs source
[23:37] <lex79> ok thanks :)
[23:37] <JontheEchidna> lex79: libakonadi-contact4
[23:38] <JontheEchidna> oh my, there appears to have been a binary incompatible change to the KCModule code :(
[23:38] <lex79> kk, added
[23:41] <lex79> Riddell: I uploaded cmake backport to ninja
[23:51] <JontheEchidna> !find /usr/lib/libkcmutils.so