[00:00] <kklimonda> does anyone have idea how does evolution store labels? are they stored on the imap server for example?
[00:03] <kklimonda> hmm, there is something..
[00:13] <hggdh> kklimonda: they are most probably in the internal DBs Evo keeps
[00:14] <kklimonda> hggdh: I can see them on server actually :)
[00:14] <kklimonda> which is really great - I can probably make some procmail rules to start labeling all mails I get
[00:15] <kklimonda> otherwise I'll go crazy
[00:30] <Darxus> Can I just install the jaunty intel video drivers under lucid?
[00:36] <kklimonda> no
[00:38] <Darxus> Damn.
[00:38] <Darxus> Thanks.
[00:38] <Darxus> If I can't find a better solution to the intel video problem I'm going to have to install jaunty tomorrow.
[00:39] <kklimonda> you can use https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-retro as it has a little older version than lucid
[00:39] <kklimonda> 2.8.0
[02:53] <Darxus> kklimonda: Thanks, but I believe the problem also exists in all of karmic.
[03:40] <micahg> anyone having trouble with frode davidsen changing statuses?
[04:01] <hggdh> not here, not right now, micahg
[04:01] <micahg> hggdh: I have 1 FF bug that he keeps messing with
[04:02] <hggdh> it's personal then...
[04:06] <micahg> hggdh: he's a bug quandry: bug 513058
[04:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 513058 in evince (Ubuntu) "Evince does not print PDF to HP LaserJet 3380 (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/513058
[04:06] <micahg> *here
[04:06] <micahg> we have at least 2 different issues in the bug but it's not apparent to the users
[04:07] <micahg> hggdh: 2 users with kern.log files, 1 has a profile issue, 1 doesn't, both claiming the same issue
[04:07] <hggdh> looking
[04:09] <micahg> hggdh: my inclination is to have the apparmor person file a new bug against the package w/the profile and have the others be triaged separately
[04:10] <hggdh> micahg: I agree. It's one issue per bug, one bug per issue, or we completely lose control
[04:10] <micahg> hggdh: too late :)
[04:10] <hggdh> LOL
[04:11] <hggdh> and oss_test_lp is quite, er, well.
[04:12] <hggdh> bah. schaffen
[04:18] <micahg> wow, that has to be the longest manual response I"ve ever wrote
[04:32] <arand> Would anyone mind (if they find it appropriate) to accept a lucid task for Bug #582035 ?
[04:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 582035 in e2fsprogs (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "User cancel of fsck gives: "fsck.ext4: Inode bitmap not loaded while setting block group checksum" (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/582035
[04:33] <arand> And importance to medium, maybe?
[04:33] <micahg> arand: most of us can't set distro tasks
[04:34] <micahg> arand: you can ask in #ubuntu-devel if it's SRUable and someone there can create a task for you, but it should get into Maverick first
[04:35] <micahg> arand: so you'll either need a merge from debian for maverick or an ubuntu3 upload
[04:35] <arand> micahg: Yea, I'm just waiting for the automatic sync, since the new release is in debian unstable, that should get pulled down right?
[04:35] <micahg> arand: no, it's a merge as we have changes
[04:36] <arand> micahg: Ah, hmm, so a merge request to be filed for that?
[04:36] <micahg> arand: yes
[04:38] <micahg> arand: it'll happen eventually
[04:38] <micahg> arand: seems like keybuk has been doing the merges
[04:41] <arand> micahg: Yes I figured, although I guessed it would be automatic, I'll just get the debdiff in order for the SRU for now then, and leave it hanging until the merge is done. (And request the merge)
[04:41] <micahg> arand: you don't have to wait for the merge, you can add the debdiff as ubuntu3 and have it sponsored to maverick
[04:43] <arand> micahg: Ok.. (experience otherwhere seemed to indicate that merging were preferred, but I guess I'll try)
[04:44] <arand> Or rather, going  for the new release if it was available..
[04:44] <micahg> arand: preferred, you can ask keybuk if he wants you to do it
[04:45] <arand> micahg: ok
[04:45] <micahg> arand: doing the merge is more critical in universe where there's no one dedicated to the package and I'm really OT here :)
[04:46] <arand> micahg: Ah, that makes sense... (Yea, always seem to slip into -motu territory when I start asking here :)
[09:13] <BUGabundo_remote> One more hole in the street,and I join Alice in Wonderland.Join us for tea!
[11:07] <arunkumar413> hi
[11:07] <arunkumar413> i'm having problem in connecting to net
[11:07] <arunkumar413> seems that the network manager has a bug
[11:09] <arunkumar413> there is a bug in the network manager
[11:10] <arunkumar413> people cannot connect to internet uising huawei EC325 CDMA 1x wireless modem. I request you solve this problem immediately.
[11:17] <baptistemm> arunkumar413, what means "I request you solve this problem immediately."
[11:17] <baptistemm> do you talk the same way to anybody ?
[11:19] <arunkumar413> baptistemm:i'm sorry if i'm rude
[11:20] <arunkumar413> but for the last 4 hours i've been struggling to connect to internet in 10.4
[11:20] <baptistemm> Open a bug is the right way if something doesn't work
[11:21] <baptistemm> #ubuntu-bug is not a support channel for troubleshooting problem but to help triaging bugs opened in launchpad
[11:21] <arunkumar413> k
[11:21] <arunkumar413> sorry
[11:43] <vish> arunkumar413: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingNetworkManager , might be helpful and there is channel  #nm  as well
[11:57] <anoteng> Anybody here familiar with git-bisecting a ubuntu kernel? I fear I keep building the same packages over and over... Anybody care to take a look at my commands and see if I'm doing something stupid? http://pastebin.com/Rfif04jx
[13:13] <PrototypeX29A> hi
[14:42] <victorp> I guys, looking at ubuntu wiki at the moment. I am trying to figure out what is counted as a"Hugged" bug?
[14:43] <victorp> that was suppose to be "Hi"
[14:44] <charlie-tca> Normally, that means action taken to move the bug forward towards the triaged status
[14:45] <victorp> ah, cool
[16:00]  * David-T hugs some bugs.  bugs need loving too!
[16:04] <kangarooo> hello. to what should i file bug that cpu all the time is 100% ?
[16:04] <Pici> What procesing using the cpu?
[16:05] <Pici> *process
[16:05] <kangarooo> ah to thouse? actually there are 2. xfce4-volumed and xfce4-mixer-plugin
[16:05] <kangarooo> both take 40-45%
[16:05] <kangarooo> cpu is P4 2.66 ghz
[16:06] <kangarooo> on this PC ive never cheched System monitor so it was allready since 10.04 came out.
[16:08] <Pici> I'm not sure which, but I'd think it should be filed against the xfce4-volumed or xfce4-mixer package.
[16:08] <kangarooo> ok ill post one bug about both and add ubuntu-bug info to this bug for both
[16:09] <kangarooo> strange is that ive never even noticed any slownes.
[16:14] <jossaq> Hi there I'm new here and I don't know how to start
[16:14] <jossaq> any help
[16:14] <kangarooo> jossaq: dont ask to ask just ask
[16:15] <jossaq> kangaroo: I wanna triage but i dont know how
[16:17] <\vish> jossaq: you can start by reading the Documentation: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs
[16:17] <\vish> jossaq: any doubts , you can ask here , someone will answer
[16:19] <kangarooo> jossaq: also check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport commands to post bug reports with needed info. also check in there section how to enable apport so on every crash apport automatilly makes bug report
[16:20] <PrototypeX29A> re
[16:21] <PrototypeX29A> is there any description of how sound with ubuntu should be working? i'd like to give a problem report which is more detailed than 'sound does not work'
[16:21] <PrototypeX29A> but i hardly know the software involved
[16:26] <bdmurray> pedro_: I'm going to discard the u-d-a e-mail regarding the bug day since it has an error in it.  Does that seem fair?
[16:27] <pedro_> bdmurray, yup, that's ok for me , thanks!
[16:27] <pedro_> kamusin, FYI ^
[16:27] <bdmurray> kamusin: if you want to resend it let me know and so I can let it through
[16:28] <kamusin> I sent a rectification few minutes ago bdmurray ..
[16:29] <pedro_> kamusin, i think he means a new email with the right dates instead of the rectification you've sent
[16:29] <kamusin> well ... I can resend again if is necessary , no problem.
[16:29] <pedro_> that one still contains the title with the wrong ones
[16:34] <bdmurray> I think it would look better if a whole new e-mail was sent to u-d-a as that likely has a wider readership and it'd reflect better on us.
[16:40] <charlie-tca> Anyone else have chewit closing bugs for being more than a year old?
[16:48] <nigelb> bdmurray: re: package removed mail
[16:48] <nigelb> if you can write something that returns links to all bugs of that package, it would be nice I suppose
[16:48] <nigelb> *all open bugs
[16:49] <nigelb> or maybe we can have an html page listing all the open bugs against all pacakges that have been removed and which release it was removed
[16:52] <kamusin> bdmurray, I have sent again bugday announce with the correct date
[16:57] <bdmurray> nigelb: I do have the start of something but I'm also doing a 6 month rotation with the Launchpad Bugs team so it might be a bit before I look at it again.
[16:57] <nigelb> bdmurray: I'll try to take a peek.  can you explain how I can get the lsit of removed packages?
[16:58] <nigelb> you and bryce with lp for a rotation? looks like an awesome 6 months ;)
[17:08] <micahg> bdmurray: who's taking over for you while you're rotating?
[17:09] <bdmurray> nigelb: I haven't played with it in a bit but
[17:09] <\vish> yay , bdmurray or bryce might fix bryce's bug ;p  Bug #279370   \o/
[17:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 279370 in malone "Method for splitting one bug report into two (affects: 2) (dups: 2) (heat: 32)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/279370
[17:10] <bdmurray> nigelb: something like:
[17:10] <bdmurray> primary = launchpad.load('https://api.edge.launchpad.net/beta/ubuntu/+archive/primary')
[17:10] <bdmurray> for i in primary.getPublishedSources(status="Deleted"): exists_in = [] if i.pocket == 'Release':
[17:15] <\vish> PrototypeX29A: have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems for sound problems
[17:21] <anoteng> Anybody here familiar with git-bisecting a ubuntu kernel? I fear I keep building the same packages over and over... Anybody care to take a look at my commands and see if I'm doing anything stupid? http://pastebin.com/Rfif04jx
[17:21] <nigelb> bdmurray: I'll try to poke at it some time over the weekend
[17:22] <micahg> anoteng: #ubuntu-kernel would be a good place to ask
[17:23] <anoteng> I've tried there too. Will try again..
[17:50] <pedro_> QA Team meeting in ~10 minutes at #ubuntu-meeting
[17:51] <thekorn> thanks for the reminder, pedro_
[18:32] <xnox> I might join next hug day for epiphany =) love it
[18:32] <xnox> will be my first hug-day ;-)
[18:33] <hggdh> xnox: welcome!
[18:33] <xnox> shall I just start now? =)
[18:33] <hggdh> yes, you can :-)
[18:33] <xnox> it is 27th somewhere isn't it?
[18:34] <hggdh> yes, it is. But anytime is good
[18:38] <PrototypeX29A> vish: the problem was a mixersetting which isn't shown in "Sound Preferences", but only in alsamixer
[18:39] <PrototypeX29A> i don't know enough of ubuntus 'design' to say whether this is a bug or not
[18:53] <vish> hggdh: the mentors admin will be mentoring or to assign mentors? [curious since we are looking for an asia tz admin]
[18:53] <qense> vish: assigning students to mentors. They can be a mentor, but that's optional.
[18:53] <vish> qense too^
[18:54] <vish> qense: assigning i can help :)   , i'm not an expert mentor ;p
[18:54] <vish> not an expert to* mentor
[18:55] <qense> hggdh, pedro_, charlie-tca: How will we manage the mentor team admins, and is there a list we can add vish too?
[18:55] <qense> vish: yay!
[18:55] <qense> vish: your help is most certainly welcome
[18:55] <vish> :)
[18:58] <pedro_> qense, let's set up a list on the wiki and start email between us, if needed we can set up a lp team and create a ML list there but let's keep it simple for now ;-)
[18:59] <qense> alright
[18:59] <pedro_> yeah thanks vish for offering help ;-)
[18:59] <vish> np ;)
[18:59] <qense> pedro_: Do you think we should keep the mentors as admins for the mentorship team?
[18:59] <charlie-tca> yay vish!
[19:00] <qense> pedro_: We could say: it is allowed for mentors to take students on themselves, but please only do so when you have valid reasons to do so. ?
[19:01] <pedro_> qense, mm, well since now we have the mentors admin team i don't see the value of giving rights to all the mentors there
[19:01] <qense> pedro_: But how then can we make the distinction between students and mentors in the team?
[19:02] <pedro_> qense, simple, mentors are on the bugcontrol team, students aren't
[19:02] <qense> ok
[19:02] <pedro_> and just leave the admin rights to the mentors admin team
[19:03] <qense> ok
[19:03] <pedro_> i'll do that later, now is time to have a late lunch ;-)
[19:04] <qense> have a good lunch!
[19:04] <pedro_> thanks!
[19:04]  * pedro_ -> lunch
[19:11] <PrototypeX29A> is it even worth it reporting a bug which occurred during upgrade, when i got the problem fixed?
[19:20] <davmor2> PrototypeX29A: Yes even if it is just somewhere to post the work around for others
[19:21] <PrototypeX29A> davmor2: problem is, that i don't really know what happened
[19:21] <PrototypeX29A> i have no clue about how it should be, only that it got me confused
[19:21] <PrototypeX29A> and sound stopped working :)
[19:22] <davmor2> that may just of been alsa/pulse being removed for the new version to be installed
[19:22] <PrototypeX29A> davmor2: i couldn't find out what role alsa and pulseaudio play in the sound system
[19:23] <PrototypeX29A> i've been searching for a description of the ubuntu sound architecture, but i could not find
[19:24] <PrototypeX29A> so with every problem i have, i don't know whether it is a bug or just me misunderstanding what i figured out how it should be
[19:25] <xnox> PrototypeX29A, if you can, run virtual machine to reproduce upgrade =_
[19:25] <xnox> PrototypeX29A, if you can, run virtual machine to reproduce upgrade =)
[19:25] <PrototypeX29A> xnox: it does not help, i don't understand the problem space :)
[19:25] <xnox> right
[19:26] <PrototypeX29A> so i kind of gave up on this bug
[19:26] <PrototypeX29A> but i just found another one to keep me busy
[19:32] <xnox> Bug #572377
[19:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 572377 in epiphany-browser (Ubuntu) "No contacts when using Myspace IM on Epiphany in 10.04... Where is the import for Myspace IM contacts on Epiphany? (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/572377
[19:32] <xnox> is a funny one
[19:32] <xnox> Do you think bugreporter wanted to report a bug against Empathy instead of Epiphany?
[19:42] <xnox> is it enough to get the bug from new -> invalid/incomplete/confirmed to mark it as done on the wiki page?
[19:43] <xnox> nevermind got it =) by reading the page again
[19:50] <charlie-tca> xnox: yes, and thanks for helping with those bugs
[19:50] <xnox> it's funny that a couple of bugs are very special case ones, e.g. this Russian website / Spanish website / Swiss keyboard =)
[19:59] <hggdh> xnox: you will be surprised on how many bugs come from i18n
[20:10] <xnox> enough of bughugging for me for now =)
[22:16] <Kim83> hi, i found a bug while upgrading to lucid, but it's not related to a specific package. it's a problem with the upgrade process itself. can somebody please tell me how to report it?
[22:18] <Kim83> it set permissions for /bin/mount to 000, so it's kinda serious;)
[22:19] <micahg> Kim83: update-manager would be the package then
[22:19] <Kim83> isn't that just the gui?
[22:20]  * micahg thought it handled everything
[22:20]  * micahg goes and checks
[22:20] <micahg> Kim83: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage#When%20upgrading%20Ubuntu%20%28or%20derivatives%29
[22:21] <Kim83> goes and reads
[22:21] <Kim83> thanks
[22:22] <micahg> Kim83: np
[22:22] <Kim83> bye
[22:25] <tawmas> Hi! I need some help to understand how to make progress with two bugs I reported. I think I provided the required information, but they were marked incomplete by an automated script.
[22:26] <tawmas> They are bugs #578894 and #578909
[22:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 578894 in linux (Ubuntu) "Cannot detect AC adapter status and battery charge status on Acer Aspire 4820TG (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 112)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/578894
[22:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 578909 in linux (Ubuntu) "acer_wmi blocks wlan rfkill status to disabled on Acer Aspire 4820TG (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/578909
[22:28] <micahg> JFo: ^^^
[22:43] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/586092
[22:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 586092 in kdepim (Ubuntu) "0x00007fffe957d90b in ?? () from /usr/lib/libkcal.so.4 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[22:43] <BUGabundo> are we sending KDE bugs upstream this early in maverick?
[22:44] <micahg> BUGabundo: AFAIK, it's the same policy as last cycle in that only critical or ubuntu specific KDE bugs are in LP and everything else is fwd upstream
[22:45] <BUGabundo> well, I haven't keep uptodate with kde sync for two cycles :(
[22:45] <BUGabundo> so I've lost track of what goes on :\
[22:45] <BUGabundo> I used to upstream MANY bugs back theb
[22:45] <BUGabundo> oh the nostalgy
[22:47] <tawmas> sorry I got disconnected...
[22:59] <deuxpi> micahg: it wasn't clear for me that kde bugs had to be handled this way (as a new bug triager)
[23:04] <BUGabundo> humm I missed valgrind
[23:34]  * tawmas goes to bed
[23:34] <tawmas> bye everybody