[00:07] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: I just emailed the list with instructions for committing things. hopefully that'll help resolve most of those problems in the future.
[00:07] <godbyk> (if anyone reads them and follows them and I haven't mucked them up.)
[00:08] <ChrisWoollard> thanks
[00:08] <ChrisWoollard> i'll have a look
[00:13] <ChrisWoollard> That looks good. That was what I was doing so I am fairly confident that will work.
[00:32] <ChrisWoollard> It is now way past my bed time. So that is exactly where I am going. See you tomorrow.
[00:51] <godbyk> See ya, ChrisWoollard
[03:10] <godbyk> I'm doing some editing now.
[03:10] <godbyk> (Just a heads-up.)
[04:06] <godbyk> I'm so tired of fixing comma splices!
[04:23] <humphreybc> lol
[04:28] <humphreybc> godbyk, could you please help me with some python? :)
[04:29] <godbyk> humphreybc: sure. let me wrap up just a couple more bugs.
[04:29] <humphreybc> kay
[04:29] <humphreybc> the link is the same as before, http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/humphreybc-help
[04:38] <godbyk> humphreybc: okay. I'm in the pad now.
[04:39] <humphreybc> kay, see if you can work out what's wrong
[04:45] <godbyk> I'll chat in the pad.
[07:30] <ChrisWoollard> Godbyk: I saw all those comma splice bugs. I would have helped, however, you took all the bugs first. :)
[08:00] <ubuntujenkins> morning all
[08:03] <Zeike> morning!  I'm just off to bed
[08:04] <ubuntujenkins> night Zeike
[09:51] <nisshh> godbyk-android: iv now posted to the list about the glossary/index
[10:13] <ChrisWoollard> nisshh: There were several errors last night that had to be fixed to get the manual to compile. It was a nightmare.
[10:14] <ChrisWoollard> not just with the glossary
[10:36] <nisshh> ChrisWoollard: hehe, really? someone else must have edited the glossary, it compiled fine when i did my changes the other day
[10:48] <ChrisWoollard> It compiles fine until about 10:30 (UTC+1) last night, then it broke. There were about 4 errors in various locations throughout the whole manual. Mainly miss-spellings in tags and the odd missing bracket.
[10:48] <nisshh> ChrisWoollard: ah cool
[14:00] <ubuntujenkins>  the new ubuntu.com site is up can anyone see the link to the manual website?
[14:10] <popey> didnt realise there was going to be a link to ubuntu-manual
[14:13] <ubuntujenkins> popey: ben said there would be in an e-mail also he says it here https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+question/109650 . Not sure where he got the info from, I will have to ask him when i see him
[14:24] <nisshh> popey: there is no link to ubuntu manual on there yet
[14:24] <nisshh> not even in the community support section
[14:30] <popey> I'm not surprised tbh
[14:36] <nisshh> popey: why is that?
[15:09] <flan> ubuntujenkins, since you're the one who was handling the screenshot approval process, you should have a better idea about this than I would...
[15:10] <flan> Would it be easier to approve/reject screenshots by thing being screenshotted or by language?
[15:10] <flan> For grouping purposes.
[15:10] <flan> If the system could either tell you that screenshot X has Y candidates awaiting approval in Z languages.
[15:11] <flan> Or if it could say language X has Y screenshots awaiting approval.
[15:12] <flan> It can do both, but I'm not sure which one to feature by default.
[15:12] <flan> (Or whether it'd be a good idea to make that a user preference thing)
[16:08] <hannie> buttons close/minimize/maximize in the top RIGHT corner of the window in Ubuntu Lucid 10.04
[16:09] <hannie> In the manual it says: ...top LEFT corner
[16:09] <hannie> The bug report on this subject is not up-to-date
[16:10] <nisshh> hannie: the buttons in lucid are on the left not the right
[16:11] <nisshh> they are only on the right if you dont use one of the new themes or if you change it manually
[16:11] <hannie> Then why do I have them on the right side?
[16:11] <hannie> Aha, I am going to change this.
[16:11] <nisshh> hannie are you using 10.04 and are you using the default theme
[16:11] <hannie> I am using 10.04
[16:11] <hannie> My theme is blue, not the default
[16:11] <nisshh> the default theme is called radiance
[16:12] <nisshh> hannie, well theres your answer
[16:12] <nisshh> your not using the default theme
[16:12] <hannie> But does the position has anything to do with the themes?
[16:12] <nisshh> so your buttons WILL be on the right
[16:12] <nisshh> yes
[16:12] <hannie> ok, then I will change my translation, thanks.
[16:12] <nisshh> themes are capable of changing the button order
[16:12] <nisshh> no problem
[16:13] <hannie> thank you for the tip
[16:13] <nisshh> :)
[16:27] <hannie> can you check this for me:
[16:27] <hannie> the button to the far right of the titlebar will \gls{maximize} the window
[16:27] <hannie> If the three buttons are in the top-left corner, the third button cannot be to the far right of the titlebar
[16:33] <hannie> I have changed this (in the translation) into: the third button
[16:44] <ubuntujenkins> flan: I think both would be best and default to be by language. But there is not much difference in which is default, a user preference to change it would be good
[16:46] <ubuntujenkins> I tend to do by language as thats the way we were able to pull them from the server in bulk
[16:54] <flan> Well, the idea with the new design is that every happens in-browser.
[16:54] <flan> everything*
[16:54] <flan> So there's no need to pull things locally before looking at them.
[16:55] <ubuntujenkins> yea I know, I think language is best makes it easier for editors of a langauge
[16:57] <flan> Will the editors be given access to the server?
[16:57] <flan> (It kinds seems like that role would be limited to one or two users, in most cases)
[16:59] <ubuntujenkins> I don't know its a project decision by the team using it. Alot people want to view the translated screenshots and they tend to be the editors. Translators like them to be fully transalted. Which is understandable
[17:04] <flan> Viewing is different from approving, but I think I'm starting to see the workflow you're thinking of.
[18:15] <ChrisWoollard> It appears that since www.ubuntu.com has changed there are a few links in the manual that don't work :( It appears that it wasn't just a re-theme.
[18:22] <dutchie> godbyk: ping
[18:42] <dutchie> dear CSS, please work. no love, dutchie
[19:01] <thorwil> ChrisWoollard: perhaps you could grep for all links with ubuntu.com, check them and make a list of the broken ones?
[19:18] <godbyk> we should grep all the links in the manual and check them all.
[19:18] <godbyk> just to be safe.
[19:19] <godbyk> (I'll be back with you guys in a bit. I just got back after repairing my car while it sat in the parking lot of a restaurant. need to clean up, cool off, and get something to drink.)
[19:19] <thorwil> godbyk: sounds like you had all the fun!
[19:20] <godbyk> it was such a pain.
[19:21] <godbyk> I had to have my father come up to help because trying to run around town and get parts and tools using only the bus system would've taken *days*.
[19:28] <dutchie> godbyk: i've forgotten what I was going to ask you about :(
[19:28] <dutchie> it was something to do with the bug form
[19:28] <godbyk> dutchie: awesome! less work for me, then. :)
[19:32] <godbyk> ack, dutchie! I got this email two hours ago:
[19:32] <godbyk> On 2010-05-26 15:00z (50 minutes ago), you uploaded a translation
[19:32] <godbyk> template for ubuntu-manual in Ubuntu Manual lucid-e1 in Launchpad.
[19:32] <godbyk> The template has now been imported successfully.
[19:32] <dutchie> i did nothing
[19:33] <godbyk> What's up with that? The template shouldn't have changed.
[19:33] <dutchie> who committed then?
[19:34] <dutchie> this stupid bug form refuses to be spaced out by CSS
[19:35] <dutchie> hmm
[19:36] <godbyk> I don't know. I'll look into it in a moment.
[19:36] <godbyk> (Still going through email.  So many bug reports!)
[19:36] <godbyk> the nice thing about having so many bug reports at once is that it lets me see patterns of bad behavior that I can address specifically in our style guide.
[19:37]  * dutchie gives bind a large kick up the backside
[19:42] <godbyk> dutchie: the last thing committed to lucid-e1 was http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/main/revision/862 which should have no effect on the translations.
[19:42] <godbyk> (though he did forget to add the file he intended)
[19:43] <dutchie> how odd
[19:43] <dutchie> i hope it doesn't break everything
[19:44] <trijntje> hi all, LP seems to be weird, changing transations to suggestions. Is this some known issue with the manual?
[19:44] <godbyk> trijntje: trying to investigate it now
[19:44] <godbyk> I got an email about two hours ago:
[19:45] <godbyk> Hello Ubuntu Manual Team,
[19:45] <godbyk> On 2010-05-26 15:00z (50 minutes ago), you uploaded a translation
[19:45] <godbyk> template for ubuntu-manual in Ubuntu Manual lucid-e1 in Launchpad.
[19:45] <godbyk> The template has now been imported successfully.
[19:45] <godbyk> Thank you,
[19:45] <godbyk> The Launchpad team
[19:45] <godbyk> But I see no reason why it would've done that.
[19:45] <godbyk> There are no new commits to that branch -- especially none with translation stuff.
[19:46] <trijntje> I noticed it a few day's ago, but I thought maybe the translations where done in the wrong branch or something? It's the one called e2 that should be translated for lucid correct?
[19:47] <godbyk> trijntje: No, translate the text in lucid-e1.
[19:47] <godbyk> lucid-e2 is the second edition that we're actively editing right now.
[19:47] <godbyk> (So any translation stuff in lucid-e2 will be in flux for a while as we fix bugs and change content.)
[19:47] <trijntje> godbyk, ok thanks, ill spread the word to the dutch translation team
[19:47] <godbyk> trijntje: thanks!
[19:53] <trijntje> godbyk, should translations be on hold until this issue with e1 gets sorted out?
[19:54] <godbyk> trijntje: What's been happening is that it'll keep your translation, but it'll mark it as suggested instead of accepted.
[19:54] <godbyk> So you can probably continue to translate, you may just have to run through them again, click on the suggestion, and accept it.
[19:55] <godbyk> (I'm not really sure yet.  I try to leave the translation stuff up to dutchie.) :)
[19:56] <trijntje> well, ill be here for some hours, ill see it comming by when translations should be on halt
[19:56] <godbyk> okay.
[20:03] <thorwil> godbyk: hmm, running generate-title-pages.sh in lucid-e2 gives me "Serif/Sans/Mono font: SQL error near line 1: no such table: locale"
[20:04] <godbyk> thorwil: Maybe I didn't copy over the sqlite database or something.
[20:06] <thorwil> well, ubuntu-manual-locale.db is present
[20:08] <godbyk> thorwil: it appears to work here.
[20:08] <godbyk> from 'sqlite3 ubuntu-manual-locale.db' and then type '.schema'
[20:08] <godbyk> it should show a CREATE TABLE ilne
[20:08] <godbyk> if it does, run 'SELECT * FROM locale;'
[20:09] <godbyk> and it'll list all the contents of that table.
[20:10] <thorwil> from: can't read /var/mail/sqlite3 ubuntu-manual-locale.db
[20:10]  * thorwil is puzzled
[20:11] <dutchie> i bet it's permissions
[20:12] <godbyk> might be
[20:12] <dutchie> 90% of problems on unix are related to permissions
[20:12] <dutchie> 5% are ownership
[20:12] <thorwil> my /var/mail is empty
[20:12] <dutchie> 5% are user error :)
[20:12] <godbyk> thorwil: you're not running an NFS or something, right?
[20:12] <godbyk> it's on a local, non-shared file system, right?
[20:12] <thorwil> no NFS, not even something
[20:12] <godbyk> okay
[20:12] <thorwil> yes, all boring local
[20:12] <dutchie> why in god's name is sqlite3 in /var/mail?
[20:13] <dutchie> oh, i know
[20:13] <godbyk> good question.
[20:13] <godbyk> why?
[20:13] <thorwil> dutchie: you mean why does it look there?
[20:13] <dutchie> thorwil: you ran the wrong command :)
[20:13] <dutchie> thorwil: just "sqlite3 ubuntu-manual-locale.db"
[20:14] <thorwil> lol
[20:14] <thorwil> dang, took it literal like a bloody noob :}
[20:15] <dutchie> if that had been presented in a special typeset way, in a printed book, would you have made that mistake? ;)
[20:15] <thorwil> godbyk: .schema prints nothing
[20:16] <dutchie> does bugs.ubuntu-manual.org resolve properly for anyone?
[20:16] <godbyk> dutchie: worked here
[20:16] <thorwil> same
[20:16] <dutchie> hmm
[20:16] <godbyk> thorwil: them the db might be empty. (or it's not finding the db file.. maybe use the full path)
[20:16] <dutchie> you using ISP DNS?
[20:17] <godbyk> I'm using whatever DNS is provided by my web host.
[20:17] <godbyk> ns1.dreamhost.com if you want to ask the server.
[20:18] <thorwil> i'm using custom DNS, because the one from my isp delivers a special page on mistyped urls (idiots/bastards)
[20:18] <dutchie> SERVFAIL
[20:18] <dutchie> (from ns1.dreamhost.com)
[20:18] <dutchie> google dns here
[20:18]  * dutchie loves the google
[20:19] <dutchie> though my ISP dns won't resolve it either
[20:19] <thorwil> the Revision, Page and Email fields should be as wide as the multilines and comboboxen
[20:19] <dutchie> thorwil: um-bugs.joshh.co.uk.
[20:20] <dutchie> thorwil: http://docs.google.com/a/ubuntu-manual.org/Doc?docid=0ARIi6BtbYjOIZGhiNndmbjlfMDR6aDN4YnBy&hl=en_GB
[20:20] <dutchie> put suggestions on there
[20:21] <godbyk> dutchie: $ nslookup
[20:21] <godbyk> > server ns1.dreamhost.com.
[20:21] <godbyk> Default server: ns1.dreamhost.com.
[20:21] <godbyk> Address: 66.33.206.206#53
[20:21] <godbyk> > bugs.ubuntu-manual.org.
[20:21] <godbyk> Server:		ns1.dreamhost.com.
[20:21] <godbyk> Address:	66.33.206.206#53
[20:21] <godbyk> bugs.ubuntu-manual.org	canonical name = um-bugs.joshh.co.uk.
[20:21] <godbyk> >
[20:21] <thorwil> dutchie: looks like i can't edit that page
[20:21] <dutchie> are you @ubuntu-manual.org?
[20:22] <thorwil> yes
[20:22] <thorwil> thorsten, not thorwil, though
[20:23] <dutchie> shouldn't matter
[20:23] <dutchie> ubuntujenkins had problems with it too last night
[20:24] <thorwil> dutchie: i forgot i had javascript disabled, sorry
[20:24] <thorwil> they could show a warning, at least
[20:24] <dutchie> yeah
[20:27] <dutchie> ooh, it works now
[20:29] <thorwil> godbyk: no luck. the updated templates are in place, so could you run generate and commit the whole bunch?
[20:29] <godbyk> thorwil: you want me to just run the generate script and commit the generated svgs?
[20:30] <thorwil> godbyk: yes, i wouldn't do much different from that
[20:30] <thorwil> godbyk: though wait
[20:30] <godbyk> thorwil: 'kay. just let me know when.
[20:30] <thorwil> godbyk: the Second Edition string needs a solution, too
[20:30] <godbyk> ah, true.
[20:30] <godbyk> and we have no translations for that yet.
[20:31] <thorwil> then the whole operations needs to be postponed
[20:35] <godbyk> fair enough
[20:37] <dutchie> launchpadlib is soo slooow
[20:44] <godbyk> Has Ilya been around lately? Seems like I haven't seen him for quite a while.
[20:44] <godbyk> I need to pester him about some stuff.
[20:44] <dutchie> please let the head revision for e2 be 84
[20:44] <dutchie> yes \o/
[20:44] <dutchie> it works
[20:47]  * dutchie uploads
[21:26] <KerryHatcher> Hello everyone!
[21:26] <c7p> KerryHatcher: hi
[21:27] <ubuntujenkins> evening all
[21:27] <ubuntujenkins> hello KerryHatcher
[21:27] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie: the bug form has a "Oh noes! 500 error!" just in case you did not know
[21:27] <c7p> ChrisWoollard: Could you tell me the the #585826 bug's right links?
[21:29] <dutchie> ubuntujenkins: i know
[21:29] <ubuntujenkins> ok cool
[21:30] <ChrisWoollard> c7p: I think i just fixed all the urls
[21:30] <ubuntujenkins> the wetab is out on the 19th of september thats what amazon.de says
[21:30] <ubuntujenkins> !ping
[21:30] <manualbot> pong
[21:30] <ubuntujenkins>  #123456
[21:31] <ubuntujenkins> bug #123456
[21:31] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 123456 in xine-lib "podcast crashes amarok" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/123456
[21:31]  * ubuntujenkins manual bot is awake
[21:32] <c7p> ChrisWoollard: where can i find these urls ? I'm asking because the greek manual (e1) will be released soon so these urls should be corrected.
[21:32] <ChrisWoollard> Bear with me
[21:33] <ChrisWoollard> i'll find them
[21:33] <ChrisWoollard> http://www.ubuntu.com/project/derivatives
[21:34] <ChrisWoollard> http://www.ubuntu.com/server
[21:34] <ChrisWoollard> http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community
[21:35] <ChrisWoollard> Those are the new links
[21:36] <ChrisWoollard> Is that ok?
[21:36] <c7p> thank you :)
[21:37] <c7p> yap fine
[21:39] <ChrisWoollard> I will double check later if there are any more. But I have to go do a radio show now. I have pasted those urls into bug #585826 as well.
[21:39] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 585826 in ubuntu-manual "wrong urls" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/585826
[22:02] <ubuntujenkins> how is everyone today?
[22:04] <dutchie> wahey, one bug form up again
[22:04] <dutchie> now I just need to get godbyk/daker to help get it looking pretty with some CSS
[22:05] <godbyk> don't look at me!
[22:05] <godbyk> my css skills are fairly elementary.
[22:05] <dutchie> it's your server hosting the stylesheet :)
[22:05] <godbyk> heh
[22:05] <godbyk> fair enough
[22:07] <c7p> godbyk is the person for every job :D hehe
[22:43] <c7p> night all
[23:03] <ubuntujenkins> night all
[23:22] <KerryHatcher> Have a wonderful evening everyone!